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  1. Posts from Shakti-fan, Astrobhadauria, Guest of Prabhupada are all of the nectar that we seek. To spead this sankirtan movement. CBR
  2. Dear Anadi For the followers of this line, Gaudiya-Math and ISKCON, we do not care for your muni wranglings. We do as our Guru's say to us. Your points are nothing for us to address directly because it is only fault finding our Gurus conclutions and of no more importance i.e. NONE! And you have used a statement I used to talk about my cousin Godbrother NM. This again is family. I can say not YOU. You have no right to jump in the middle as an outsider and make dirogatory comments based on what I have said. I spoke out of great respect for my older cousin, knowing him to be more advanced than me. But I speak because I have to say in MY family. All we know or CARE to know is what our Prabhupada's have told us. Your continued on slot of diatribe fertal brain road blocks will not stop this movement/caravan from forward motion. You will see DVD take hold as presented. Guru's have spoken, their words are spiritually dynamic. Devotees of Lord Caitanya will also be developed from the 'most fallen' as it should be. Your an outsider to this discusion as it is concerning a particular sampradya's preaching methods, that you are not part of. And show emnity toward! A family discussion. Which I can see by your above post, you have no respect for. Then you are now a troll. Please stop posting offensive replies to this sampadaya's concideration as to "what" is Daivi-Varnasrama-Dharma. It, apparently, is not in you capasity to understand, nor help in any way to impliment. So you should not comment further, just to diswade any ideas of following our Guru's instructions. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das
  3. All of Srila Prabhupada's vani, BG, SB conversations and lectures have the same discriptions and definitions of sudra and ksatriya. No difference, not an isolated occurrence. From 74 on Srila Prabhupada preached to instill this DVD in to ISKCON management, multiple times. There's a book of quotes with much more than I posted here. Get a book and read it. Who beleives this? They are out there, they heard. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti raja
  4. You know, I don't think even one time have you posted a piece of a conversation that I posted and then had a civil discusion with either Bk Devarsi or Me on the matter. But you have been an excelent help. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti raja
  5. “First of all pay the fee; then you can come and learn Bhagavad-gita.” We never say that. But these so-called teachers who first of all bargain for a salary—“What salary will you give me?”—that is a dog’s concern. That is not a brahmana’s concern. A brahmana will never ask about a salary. A brahmana is eager to see that people are educated. “Take free education and be educated; be a human being”—this is a brahmana’s concern: You see? I came here not to ask for any money but to give instruction Sudra is not dog. The brahmana that takes a salary is a dog. CBr
  6. An other one? do you boys do tag team matches? You could please read and post the part of the conversation that you think I have wrong? Only a fool speaks with no support from sadhu/guru. You spoke with no support. The entire conversation is about introducing DVD in ISKCON. A 12 yrs old child can understand. CBr
  7. Your cherry picking again and it is just a diversion, what about the rest? CBr
  8. Doesn't matter to me one way or an other. That's all fluff. Did you read post #114? Thats the real thing on my mind now with you. Did you read and what do you have to say? Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti raja
  9. He has asked and been shown numerous times but rejects plan talk. And then says rediculous things in an attempt to discreadite Srila Prabhupada's plain words on the DVD subject. Again in post #114, I gave more. If I could post the whole conversation I would, it is just to big and doesn't post. All prof has been put forward. The rejectable fanatic is the one that will not submit when shown evidence to countermaned his point. The other fanatics are the cent-percent devotees of Krsna. Fanatic is not a bad word. CBr
  10. Yes, you did in post #111. And I posted more conversations snipits for your edification as who where and when. Have you looked? Post #114. Yes, you had to see. CBr
  11. The jester has entered the court. Joker-raja CBr
  12. Passion for Srila Prabhupada! I love it, it's like a gulabjaman. CBr
  13. Thank you I think it is quite rudimentry plain also. CBr
  14. Parivrajakacarya: Would the...? The persons who would take part in such program, they would have to be devotees in the first place. Is that...? Prabhupada: Devotees is... I have already explained. We are all devotees. Past condition, we are all devotees. We are not, we do not belong to this varnasrama. I have already told you. Suppose I am mopping. So that does not mean I am mopper. But I am teaching how to mop. This is our position. Parivrajakacarya: So the students, also, they must all be devotees. Prabhupada: Yes. Devotees are... That is our life and soul. Satsvarupa: And the idea is that after they’ve finished their schooling, they would take part in ISKCON, preaching in some way as vaisya or... Prabhupada: Yes. This preaching is also required, to make the groundwork. Because nobody’s taking care. Just like some of the devotees, great devotees, they took the profession of becoming thief. They, in South India, it was done so. They took the profession of becoming thief. So a devotee is a thief? But he took. They took it. Because nobody was paying. So they organized a plundering party. “Plunder all these big men.” Just like the politicians do. There is history. Yes. So even up to the point to become a thief, devotees took it. Yes. And the gopis, even up to the point of becoming prostitute—for Krishna. So for Krishna’s sake we have to accept any nonsense type of business. Or on the highest grade. Anything. But for Krishna we have to do that. Hridayananda: So, Prabhupada, in our temples, we have so many devotees. Should the devotees...? Prabhupada: They should be engaged. Hridayananda: Should they be trained in a particular...? Prabhupada: Yes. Those who are not able to preach or to do other things, they must go to the plough department, agriculture. Hridayananda: Those who cannot preach. Prabhupada: Yes. Those who are less educated, not very much expert in preaching, they must be acting as kshatriya or vaisya, or as sudra. Hridayananda: And sometimes... Prabhupada: :Not he’s sudra. Always remember that. But he has to act to fulfill the, fill up the gap. Proxy. Caturbahu das Bhakti raja
  15. It didn't post, sorry! must be to big. But I will post another snipit. CB-r
  16. Prabhupada never said anything about 'preliminary help' Hrdayananda did....your cherry picking to prove wrong when the truth is plain............. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Our main aim is how to give them Krishna consciousness. But if they are already disturbed in every respect, then how they’ll take it? Therefore we are taking these subjects, to help him to come to the Krishna consciousness. And this is the method—varnasrama. Hridayananda: So just to clarify, Prabhupada, I want to make sure I have it very clear, that if someone comes to our varnasrama college, even though this may be preliminary help, in general—you’ve made some exceptions—but in general, when they come to our college, they have to follow the four regulative principles, also learn something about Bhagavad-gita and then, side by side, they learn a... Prabhupada: Four regulative principles compulsory. Hridayananda: Yes. Prabhupada: But if some of the kshatriya or the sudras, they want, so that is our prescription: “Go to the forest and kill some animal and eat that.” That’s all. You can kill one boar. Some disturbing elements, you can kill. You can kill some tiger. Like that. Learn to kill. No nonviolence. Learn to kill. Here also, as soon as you’ll find, the kshatriya, a thief, a rogue, unwanted element in the society, kill him. That’s all. Finish. Kill him. Bas. Finished. So other will see, “Oh, the ruler is very strong.” And others will... One killing will be lesson for many hundreds and thousands. No mercy. “Kill him.” That’s all. That was the system. In Kashmir about hundred years ago. If somebody has stolen, cut his hand. Bas. He cannot steal any more. So one cutting hand means finish. In that part of the world, no more stealing.
  17. This not to condone killing cows. It is emergency only, after much effort in regular activites to produce food stuff has failed. Very good it is the only place in the Bhagvatam that a cow is killed in service to the population by a religious king. What is the point? Get over that which you(figurative) do not know much about. Have a cool mind and study for some time before just rejecting at first glance. Re-read all these conversations in the company of others and talk about the posibility that all I and Bk Devarsi have said could be true as presented. Instead of reading to find us wrong, switch places and read to prove us right. Try it. The initial reaction to DVD is knee jerk, jusy like the reaction to killing a cow was. But cow can be killed under the most extreme conditons. DVD is not even that extreme, it is just vedic for devotee's. And all varnas are concidered vaisnava, not just brahman. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja
  18. No, don't know a thing about this Goddess. Is Kali the same as Candi? I do know that once a month sudra can offer wine/alcohol to her(Candi). Do you know any of the mantras for this? Hare Krsna,, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja
  19. Nice story, Or to say sad story. I'm sorry you had to experience the death of anything. Yes, I have looked into the eyes of death, what I have killed. It is for practice and beyond. But you miss the point of DVD, thats OK too, I guess. Please do not post the picture, I have no attraction. Again you miss the point of ksatriya's practice. You will need to study SB, BG, conversations and chant 64 rounds a day for some time before you can understand it. Maybe Mahabharata too, Ganguli edition. Srila Prabhupada understood and gave it to me. What about the cow killing? do you have an answer? Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja
  20. I'm asking the big scholars that rejected all I posted on DVD to test them a little bit or you, if you would like. I did not say shoot either, kill is the word I used. Kill a cow is the question. All the nay sayers especially. At least four I think there were. Yes? It is just mental exersize. Who's in? CB-r
  21. Vaidhi bhakti is the solution to lust. Lust is way beyond just sex, that's only a gross messure. Fame, aderation, I, me, mine and distinction are the eliments of the last covering of the spirit soul. It was lust or the subtle eliments that ensnared us after our fall from Krsna's service, It was the cause of this fall. Don't know much more, you need a brahman to explain better, I'm definately second class. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja
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