bhaktatraveler

What about the killing a cow question? I asked you because you are so inteligent as to know all siddhanta and the meanings of everything I posted. And said I was all wrong. Surly you know if Srila Prabhupada has said such a thing. Please enlighten me. Anyone? CB-r

Post where Prabhupada says DON'T eat meat in His DVD centers? I say He has said OK and give evidence. You say no and give nothing. That you reject, I am also doing with your question, that has no prof submited that shows contrary understanding from, what I posted. CB-r

Yes you are right, enough from you. Thank you. CB-r

If I show you a thousand times, you will reject as many times. And you do not study the texts provided. So? CB-r

Your rejection is sweet to my ears, that means sin is flowing out of the way for DVD to take birth, Just like Pritu Maharaja's apperance after bahukah, the embodyment of sin cleared the way. Who can say if a cow is ever killed? I can. Want to know? Do you know? Do you read SB? Have fun on line. S-its and Giggles CB-r

Thank you for the flowery words of discontent. I take it as petals from the sky. It is just like when the brahmans churned King Vena's thighs and all the sinfull reactions took form. First the adversion will come out, then we will find those that are now hidden in plain sight. It is not you Mahaksha, that I'm looking for. Nor a Theist or Braj. This I know after your posts. But it is interesting to see who is emboding the sinfull reactions. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja

It is asked where to do it and Prabhupada said in our centers, amoung our people. It is just to plan. Post the conversations yourself and show the deviations or why do you speak like a fool? SB 8.2.30 is also used, post it and give a conclusion in context to DVD. Is any of the adversion, with no other prof but your mouth, the quality of a devotee? I have been called many ill names and made much fun of, but you guys have nothing but mouths and no substance. Put up these conversations, as I did and give a reasonable retort or be known as ludricus. CB-r

More diatribe, no vani. No reposting the conversations I used as a common ground and proving your speaking from a Guru and not just personal concoctions of old conclutions. Try to keep up with the changes, eh! Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja

Again and again just cheap talk. Take the conversations sited and show the discrepancy or you just look ludricus. As for eating meat, what you kill, it is a warrior thing. If you still have to ask, you can't understand the answer is/has been given numerous times in the conversations and Prabhupada's books. CB-r

It is practically useless to reply to a post like this, but I take the easy bait. So many times now I'm saying to you nay sayers that DVD it is not my concoction. These are the words of the Guru, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, Srila Prabhupada. Please take the conversation and SB quotes and show me, through them, the error of my ways. Just so much talk is useless and un-vaisnava. If you have contention with my posts, then please by all means necessary re-read these conversations and tell me how I have it wrong. Have you read Bhagavad-gita? Spoken on the field of the largest battle in the history of the planet. 64,000,000 or so dead in 18 days. Blood ran like rivers. And who is the central figure in that great book? A Vaisnava Ksatriya. Arjuna, Maharata, killer of 10,000 warriors at a time. Man do you have the wrong religion/spiritual life. We Vaisnavas are not check turners as a whole. Some will kill you. And enjoy the religious/spiritual opprotunity. The ksatriya delights in a religious fight, un-sought. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja

Well spoken Braj CB-r

'Deer hunter fallacy' are you a devotee of Krsna? Do you read SB with faith in the words? Have you a clue to the conversations in question? or the regulations/duties of Ksatriya varna? You again make outlandish accusations with no vani support to your claims of impropiorties to my posts. Like so many others you have a mouth, but no support from Guru to back it up. Put up the relivent purports or conversations or any of Srila Prabhupada's vani on the subject of DVD that will point out I have posted out of context or stop drooling on line please. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja

Now it is a DVD point This has to be checked by ksatriyas, that no cheating in the varnas and asrama goes on. Ksatriyas must step in and rearrange this deviant behavior out of the brahminical varna and into the gutter as it should be. This is the social finction/duty of ksatriya, to check 4 varnas and 4 asramas. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja

Are you sure you have the right topic for this post Anadi? CB-r

Guru Tatva? What ever. That I should not speak about Srila Prabhupada's godbrothers is a fact. Even He has used the terminology 'black snake' as discriptive of some, it is not for me to say. It has always been the followers of such Godbrothers actually that I have a bad time with. Like the agresive pitching of one guru over an other or the living Guru trap. Who is their guru that say like that? They are the ones that denegate Srila prabhupada as a senior Godbrother by dint of His amazing preaching success. And I should remember it is not for me to comment on Prabhupada's favorite Godbrother especially, B R Sridhara Maharaja. Please forgive my mistake. But his followers are another issue. So if you would like for me to behave, I say the same to you. CB-r

You do not understand 'why' an aplogy was given do you? You actually have the idea Srila Prabhupada is some how less than His brothers, when actually, He is so much more. I apologize to my childeren, even I made no mistake. but that does not make them more than the father. It is for their encouragement, nothing more. The mistakes were not on Prabhupada's part, He spread the chanting of the Maha mantra thtough out the world. No one else even moved untill Prabhupada left and vultures came out to make false claims of grandure in Prabhupada's absents. The apology was Vaisnava edict. CB-r

OK fine, then show the part you say I have wrong and post your understanding and we can have a nice exchange. If you want. I do not mind. We can use the same conversation snipit..... I'm wondering when Prabhupada answers the question of where and who, He does give a very plain responce as 'ISKCON' and 'amoung our members'. In another DVD conversation Prabhupada is asked about 4 regs and says yes 'but'. That it is not in one place shouldn't be a problem. So I am mildly currious as to why you say it is unclear. Plus a very nice purport explanation by Srila Prabhupada. There is much much more but for brevities sake I hesitate to flood this form with all the DVD vani. What is posted should've been enough. CB-r

What you 'think' is one thing, that is for you. But if you want to interpret from an outstanding Guru such as Srila Prabhupada then it is customary on the vaisnava forms to post evidence relative and in context to the topic then refute or give a different view after some study. Are you studying these converstions? CB-r

Yes, devotee is not to be concidered in varna the same as non devotee. There is a diference. But not the service/activity of the varna for either. Have you read? I posted a conversation snip-it with this exact item in it. Hare Krsna, Caturbahu das Bhakti-raja

If you do not read or post from offered evidence what can I do for you? Just motoring along with your head out the window. Read what I have posted for you from Srila Prabhupada at least 20-30 times in all these threads. Then say a thing. CB-r

My, answer to you is to stuff yourself. Your black. I've made up nothing. I have posted where Srila Prabhupada is definitely saying to do in ISKCON now. Not 'brainstorming' the way your rejecting makes you black in the heart and a danger to those that read your posts. You can not show congruent contextual vani examples to prove any points you make against DVD. Go to the conversation and prove Prabhupada is just 'talking' Did you read the purport to SB 8.2.30? Is that brainstorming? Hare Krsna, Catrubahu das Bhakti-raja

Yes, we are not any of these varnas, but for management we must do like that. Do you read anything I post from Srila Prabhupada. Did you read 8.2.30 purport? No? Then how can you talk? I'm not saying different, it's you that's inferring differently...... CB-r

Your missing the point of ksatriya killing, it is part of what he does. Have you not read any of the Srimad Bhagavatam or Mahabharata? Read the story of Krsna and Arjuna killing any and all of the animals that fled the burning forest in Krsna book. No, the details are in Mahabharata. But it is the same story. Ksatriyas hunt once a month. Eating meat of not, is not the reason for hunting. It is the killing. For sudra yes it is only about eating meat. You may not have a problem, but you should be kind to those that do and stay within regs only. It is to be accepted in DVD. CB-r

I agree with what you say about sex, good post on that. But meat is never said for sudra to have a redeaming servise. For Ksatriya once a month hunt is to learn to kill. Anyone can disagree, we still have free will. CB-r

Your arrogant refusal to accept Srila Prabhupada is the real crime going on here. Your trash talk above has no bases in reality either. It is you that can find nothing in these DVD conversations to refute the conclusions presented and supported with a tremendous amount of vani.........this is one from the books SB 8.2.30 TRANSLATION Thereafter, because of being pulled into the water and fighting for many long years, the elephant became diminished in his mental, physical and sensual strength. The crocodile, on the contrary, being an animal of the water, increased in enthusiasm, physical strength and sensual power. PURPORT In the fighting between the elephant and the crocodile, the difference was that although the elephant was extremely powerful, he was in a foreign place, in the water. During one thousand years of fighting, he could not get any food, and under the circumstances his bodily strength diminished, and because his bodily strength diminished, his mind also became weak and his senses less powerful. The crocodile, however, being an animal of the water, had no difficulties. He was getting food and was therefore getting mental strength and sensual encouragement. Thus while the elephant became reduced in strength, the crocodile became more and more powerful. Now, from this we may take the lesson that in our fight with maya we should not be in a position in which our strength, enthusiasm and senses will be unable to fight vigorously. Our Krishna consciousness movement has actually declared war against the illusory energy, in which all the living entities are rotting in a false understanding of civilization. The soldiers in this Krishna consciousness movement must always possess physical strength, enthusiasm and sensual power. To keep themselves fit, they must therefore place themselves in a normal condition of life. What constitutes a normal condition will not be the same for everyone, and therefore there are divisions of varnasrama—brahmana, kshatriya, vaisya, sudra, brahmacarya, grihastha, vanaprastha and sannyasa. Especially in this age, Kali-yuga, it is advised that no one take sannyasa. SB. 5.1.24 purport Sometimes we are criticized because although I am a sannyasi, I have taken part in the marriage ceremonies of my disciples. It must be explained, however, that since we have started a Krishna conscious society and since a human society must also have ideal marriages, to correctly establish an ideal society we must take part in marrying some of its members, although we have taken to the path of renunciation. This may be astonishing to persons who are not very interested in establishing daiva-varnasrama, the transcendental system of four social orders and four spiritual orders. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, however, wanted to reestablish daiva-varnasrama. In daiva-varnasrama there cannot be acknowledgement of social status according to birthright because in Bhagavad-gita it is said that the determining considerations are guna and karma, one’s qualities and work. It is this daiva-varnasrama that should be established all over the world to continue a perfect society for Krishna consciousness. This may be astonishing to foolish critics, but it is one of the functions of a Krishna conscious society. Then like a true desenter to Prabhupada's vani you will say it is out of context or it doesn't say anything about this or that. It is just your adversion welling up in your heart, making it hard. DVD explanations are all through the books and I have not misreresented Srila Prabhupada, you are! The applied definitions to all that is here in this purport, is in the DVD conversations. 3/12-14/74 and 2/15/77 especially. Yes, no one hears, I've been saying for decades and you will not listen, then say 'I am Prabhupada's disciple' big puffed up chest. NOT. You would not get away with this on a form that had only Prabhupada men. You would be black balled as a heritic. Give counter conclusion from the evidence in these DVD conversations or surrender or be black. CB-r