Amlesh

Yes, Amlesh, you are right. The codes of war are nearly lost. All that is left is the Geneva convention of the late 40s, the current code of conduct of war. For the most part, modern warfare is mostly mechanized, impersonal slaughter due to the machine age ushered in by ugra-karma, industrialization, which began in the 1820s or 1830s with the advent of steam-driven locomotives. Now wars are fought at night as well as in the daylight hours. In attempts to demoralize the enemy, whole cities filled with civilians are bombed rather than purely military targets. Atomic warfare, wrought by America, has already happened and the reaction will be on the head of America. Terrorists hide among civilians and complain that their enemies are targetting civilians when the civilians get killed. Then they expect the world to see them as innocent victims. When will people wake up to the incessant duplicity of terrorists ?

jeffster/AMd

True.

It seems both the Ruler and the Ruled are corrupted.. but all that is due to their own ignorance.

Why I pointed out the specifically Woman and Kids is because they are the least implicated in the planning process of such wars.. specially the 3rd world women.

The reasons for war is the only thing that really bemuse me.. had it been some really evident and worthy reasons, I might have looked upon it and unfortunately all the reasons are puny and trivial.. joking with the lives of many.

In truth, I can accept a war for the eradication of evil.. but in that War I would like to see great like Shivaji Maharaj, Chanaky Pandita, Hukka and Bukka, Tatia Tope, Tipu Sultan et al as the mastermind, since they fought selflessly and without any tinge of selfish interest.. just to protect Dharma.

Who is ready to take such challenge? None.. without any vested interest.. so where is the utility for such war.

And dear Sephiroth.. I agree about ur Hindu War.. but tell me whether we have real Hindus these days.

Sephiroth.. I do understand all that.. but Asvathama was someone who sided the Evil Route...

So his thinking was like that...

In the Army that was guided by Sri Krishna.. the correct War Code was conducted.

Personal and selfish motives? Alright ... allow me to summarize something for you.

 

Those terrorists ... they kill innocent people - Men, women AND Children in attempt to die and be rewarded 72 virgins (or prostitutes however you look at them) in heaven. How selfish do they need to get before Hindus fight back?

 

One of the reasons why things like Mumbai terror attack and 9-11 attack occur is because good people do not get up and fight back. All this talk about peace is sickening. YOU CANNOT TALK SENSE WITH SENSELESS PEOPLE.

I do understand.. but a proper planning and understanding should be there before taking any step.

Many innocent die in such wars.. see the Mahabharata.. that war took place somewhere outside the city..where assurance was made not to kill any civilian.

Not like today... innocent kids and women lose their lives.

Maybe because rules have become more prominent with its Do's and Dont's not letting the intricacies of proper spiritual understanding prime.

I am not used to the term Mayavada. I know Shankaracharya was an exponent of Advaita philosophy. It has nothing to do with Maya in the spiritual sense. Advaita philosophy is something that a jnani realizes at the end of his spiritual exercises. I would go with "kimfelix" and my understanding of the topic is similar. Only people with higher levels of understanding can go for Advaita philosophy. A layman should always begin his spiritual journey by bhakti yoga - Dualism. So it is pointless to discuss Advaita with a non initiated or a not so advanced in spiritual path.

And when did you ever start your Bhakti Yoga - Dualism path and how did you end up with Advaita?

Explain?

How and when did you find it more important on listening to Shankara than Krishna?

Illuminate this ignorant soul.

Is there any step greater than a Mahatma... since the term is given to one who is surrendered to Krishna.

And mahatma is the last step in the phase of spiritual quest.

If there is another then please show me the light.

wise words amlesh...there is no greater reward than natural samadhi. it is like the beauty of a lotus opening in the sun... (everything else is secondary). as you have suggested...love of god is that treasure. inherently natural to all souls.. and not the claim of any sole cultural mileu alone.

You are the rare few who goes beyond barriers but bounded by Hari's Love.

That's why the intense meaning of the verses willingly comes to your lap.

There is no sin in eating meat, in drinking spirituous liquor, and in carnal intercourse, for that is the natural way of created beings, but abstention brings great rewards.

--Manu Smriti 5.56

it would be great if you can post some quotes amlesh...to open this discussion further from the vedic viewpoint.

I'll do it but after some time..

right now.. office duties.

Thanks.

About your soma rasa and its DO's and DONT's.. please consult the Manu Smriti.

You forgot to add this:

Amlesh:

No comments.

A nice one.

They deny God because of their taste for material enjoyment.

The more deeply they are attached.. the more deeper is the ditch.

I believe Sephiroth that the basic teaching that was transmitted from generation to generation is nearly coming to an end.

Each generation pass on the values to the next... but each time when that process takes place.. some elements are missed.

Today.. everything is missed.. since no element is left to pass.

But I hope and I have that feeling that.. restoration of this great culture will surely take place...

Nice.

Show me one person that has become self realized through the taking of drugs.

True.. none.

The only drug is the Love for God.

Gandhiji said, "I'm in a war but this time the weapon is different".

The thing about choosing the weapon is not the main thing in a war.. but the reason for war should not be tainted by any personal selfish motive.

just like the war that took place during the mahabarata

Not in every war, the selfless desire for the betterment of mankind is present and in the rest of the war.. the selfish motives of ignorant.

Cannot really distinguish. Is he NarsimhaDev?

No need of any psychedelic stuffs for me.. I'm always on the high-fly.

Indirectly proportionate with the happiness of this world.

The more religion loses ground, the less happy Dharti Maa will be.

Conspiracies veiling conspiracies.

One behind the other.

Ever more subtle, more intricate and difficult to discern.

We wonder, "Who could be behind it all and to what end?"

 

Mayadevi serving Her Lord by purifying with fire the false desires of the lost and wayward souls. And so for the devotee, "it's all good."

Satya vachan.

Your words are enlightening.

That makes me remember one story about Sri Haridas Thakura.. that Great Vaishnava used to stay in a cave cohabited by a venomous cobra..

Everyone at the particular place knew that fact and He also and he used to sleep peacefully...

Everyday people used to advise him about the unsafe feature of this cave and he used to smile... later on he understood the fearful nature of those seeking to meet him. He one day decided to leave the cave on request of his followers.. he accepted.. but surprisingly.. the moment he was leaving, the snake also left the cave.. but forever..

Lord Knows what He does...

Everything offered to any powerful Entity directly or indirectly goes to that very Sweet Lord... Lord Narsimha... that is unquestionable.

beautiful.. as always...

Thanks Gokulkr