Amlesh

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download sri bhasya from above link

 

Om Namo Narayanaya

Om Srimathe Ramanujaya

Thanks a lot.

The best spiritual books are available in Bangalore only at Vedanta Book House, Near Uma Talkies,Chamarajpet, Bangalore.

Thanks pal. You've done me a great favor.

I guess, Bangalore is not just the Silicon Valley but also the Spiritual Valley of India:)

Iskcon devotees think: We are better servants of Lord Jagannatha!

Puri temple priests think: We are better servants of Lord Jagannatha!

 

Genuine competition of the eager servants or just an ego trip? Hard to tell... we will judge by the results. Will the service increase? Will more people be inspired to serve Lord Jagannatha?

 

Lord Caitanya did not organize harinama protests to get Haridasa Thakura admitted to the Puri Temple - He praised Thakura's humility. Maybe that is the real lesson: humility. Iskcon very often comes across as arrogant. Maybe this is another lesson from Krsna to teach us more humility. IMHO Iskcon leaders should sit down with the Puri pandas and work out a mutually acceptable compromise. Just like Lord Chaitanya an Kazi. He convinced Kazi with His humility, thoughtfulnes, wisdom, and kindness. It is not just a story - it is an instruction to be followed by all His followers.

 

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Words of Wisdom.

What kind of evidence or answer will convince you (either way)? Can you answer that?

 

For most atheists, theists and agnosts, no proof exists than can convince them to change their view.

 

Cheers

Depending on the degree/level of consciousness, one chooses his faith.

That will come automatically, there is nothing to force into because as there is nothing as natural as that.

The only sure incarnation of God in this age is the Holy Name.

 

If there is a list for the best sentences in Audarya, that one would certainly been top of the list.

Welcome to the jungle.

Though my dear Guru Srila Prabhupada is not here.. even then we get to hear hihihaha on Him.

When you people will start assuming your responsibilities and see properly [see the mirror] whom to blame for some unwanted consequences.

It's really bad to jump to some conclusion when something is apparently not taking its normal course and quickly drag Srila Prabhupada in all that.

These days, we cannot really associate Srila with Iskcon, even though He is the founder.

Jai Sri Krishna.

Jai Sri Jaganatha Swami.

That's why I prefer a temple when there is no one around but at the same time I do miss the genuine crowd.

Krishna teaches tolerance and peace, and here devotees are up for the contrary.

Faith is inbuilt. The rest in indoctrination. Faith in the words of Jesus Christ takes any individual beyond this material world. Faith cannot be induced. It is just the defeat of ones logical understanding about his religion which makes the individual think other sides. Prevalent orthodox practices (which have diminished to a large extent) in Hindu religion, the toughened stance on woman in the Muslims, the extent of pretence in Christianity may have induced some rational thinking people to look otherways.

 

All religions focus on the weakness of other religions when going on a Missionary of defeating the logics.

 

No conversions can ever be possible if a Christian stays to follow Jesus Christ, a Hindu follow his Scriptures rather than the Sampradayas, a Muslim/Buddhist/Jain/Sikh follow the teachings of their master rather on focussing, comparing their beliefs with other religions which may result in pretence, hatred, confusion and conversion.

This is called seeing with the right angle of vision.

Melukote, a Sri Vaishnava center in Karnataka used to have a full set of publications at one time. Perhaps they still do.

 

Cheers

Thanks for the information pal.

Which is which, Lord Knows.

www.ramanuja.org

 

Most of your questions regarding Sri Ramanujacharya have been tried to address here.

 

I live in Bangalore. If you need a Sri Bhashya in English, i will try and fetch one for you. If you have an alternate language like Sanskrit,Tamil, Kannada, it would be more better. let me know if you have an alternate incase the English version is unavailable

Well, it is really kind of you.. but I'm already carrying the guilt of bothering you; I'll not give you much trouble, just see whether an English version is there in one of the libraries.

I know Sapna Bookshop [Majestic] and Gangaram [MG Road] quite well, but I don't know whether they have it or not.

About Kannada, I know the language selpa selpa..

outaita...

1 veg puff and 1 massala dosa kuddi.

My alternate languages are French and Hindi, but I would prefer the English version.

If it is not much trouble for you, just verify for me if they have and let me have the feedback via Audarya.

I have contacts there and they know the process of sending books to Mauritius very well.

Why I ask in Audarya about a valid copy is because my contacts don't know much about these subjects.

Thanks a lot for the consideration and willingness to help.

It is really great from you pal.

If ever I'm coming for some days to Bangaluru, I'll definitely would like to meet you.

Dear friends,

I would like if somebody could suggest me a nice and authentic English version of the Sri Bhasya.

And also if possible the address in India [if Banglore then even better] where I can get a copy of the Magnum Opus of Sri Ramanuja.

I'm actually in Mauritius but I have acquaintances back in India who can send me a copy of Sri Bhasya.

Those who know, please help.

Please provide the Author's Name and also the address of the library if possible.

Dear friends,

I would like if somebody could suggest me a nice and authentic English version of the Sri Bhasya.

And also if possible the address in India [if Banglore then even better] where I can get a copy of the Magnum Opus of Sri Ramanuja.

I'm actually in Mauritius but I have acquaintances back in India who can send me a copy of Sri Bhasya.

Those who know, please help.

Please provide the Author's Name and also the address of the library if possible.

However, by words it is a big pity to say that my saying in trying to elaborate Swardharma of the Gita is really incomplete.

The only who knows it best is Sri Hari.. and He is the only one capable transfering that meaning in completeness.

I'm helpless.. though by his grace I know but telling without Hari's communication channel activation is like "storing water in a tank with a hole."

Last but not the least, neither Iskcon nor anyother school of thought can really help, if the mind and heart itself is not clean.

Hari likes people without duplicity.

I don't really know when I'll get his Mercy.. but I'm at the always at the Chaukat of Lord Shiva and Sri Hanuman, imploring them for that mercy.

Anyone criticizing Lord Shiva or any other deity will get nice encounters with me be it a so-called Vaishnavas also, concering Truth, my only friends are those who abide by that.. and you all know how ruthless I am in debates:P

So not necessary to pinpoint one or one group and say I hate that.

Sorry, I don't hate anyone.. I just like to play the game... since everyone here are the first to prowl their intelligence.

It is really pathetic when I hear "Hey that does not mean I should give up my intelligence"

Since when it was your intelligence beta?

Vishnu's maya has just not started playing with you in this birth ruthlessly, that's why you say that.

If you are able to get that, it will be kripa on you only.

hahahahahahahahah.........

SVADHARMA

Before starting with the explanation concerning Swadharma, the basic concepts of the Varnashrama Dharma should be at least known.

The concepts of the Vedas as well as that of Upanishadic tendencies should be perfectly known.. if not it is impossible to understand the deep rooted meaning of Swadharma.

But to understand the damn complicated subtleties surrounding Swadharma is even more difficult.

The maxim of the Gita like

1. "The soul never does",

2. "Karmani evadhikaraste..."

3. "One who sees action in inaction and inaction is action really sees"

4. "no one kills and no one dies"

surrounds or is directly or indirectly connected with that concept.

Secondly: One should know for sure that THE Author of the Gita has drawn no line of demarcation between salvation and worldly pursuits. Au contraire, Il a montre que "Religion must rule even our worldly pursuits."

As an explanation of this exposee, i should say that it concurs with the watch-word of the ISA Upanishad "enjoy through renunciation".

Had the Gita been cent per cent an extremist concerning the outward practice of renunciation, Sri Krishna could have permitted Arjuna to become a mendicant on the battlefield itself and there could have been no eruption as an opportunity to expound the Gita.

The gita exhorts that what is to be renounced is not social or political activity but the fruit of desire itself while performing activity.

Et encore, verily the Gita, which rejects nothing and puts every orthodoxical school of philosophy in its proper place, throws light on the temporal affairs also.

Comme dicte par le Professeur, Monsieur RadhaKrishnan "while the chief value of religion lies in its power to enlarge the internal man, its soundness is not complete until it has shaped properly his external existence. For the latter we require a sound political, economic and social life, a power and efficiency which will make a people not only survice but grow towards collective perfection."

Now coming to try to have a close translation of Swadharma in that really stupid English language [it should be noted that Sanskrit is the only perfect language], I should say we call it by "detached activity". It is very sad indeed for me to say that it has lost as the 3 following words will suggest - LOST IN TRANSLATION.

Swadharma according to my very very very ..... very dear and SWEET LORD, the ONE AND ONLY SRI KRISHNA means "The Outward performance of actions in combination with the Inward renunciation of the world."

That is better explained by Sri Ram himself when he says "Karmani evadhkaraste maa phalesu kadachana" meaning "Tu kaam karta ja, phal ka chinta mat kar.. Usspe adhikaar sirf mera hein"... in Hindi.. I love hindi btw.

In English "You have the right in your Duty but not its fruits and only I have the right over that..."

In French "Forget it you won't understand"... sorry.. hehe.. i like to joke from time to time...

The word Akarma I suppose fits the best here... "That action which yields neither +ve or -ve reaction, since it is a surrendered action and the architect of this work is not oneself but the Lord. The mastermind is the one who collects that fruit...IOW, Yajna."

I suppose, the one reading those words should also know Karma and Vikarma for a better understanding of what I've just said.

In Upanishadic thought, the spiritual life of the individual and his secular activity stand apart from each other. Pointing out that the upanishadic concept of self-perfection itself is not final, Prof. Balbir Singh felt that apart from seeking self-perfection, the self "needed to be awakened, enlightened and strengthened, since it was the social group itself that expresses the same divine form the realisation of which as his own constituted the essence and substance of all his activity." That is why it is said that soul is very very rare.

The Gita bridges the gulf between the individual self and the social self by means of its detached activity, which is at once both individual and social, spiritual and secular, in nature.

The Gita disjuncted the concept of Moksha from the concept of hierarchical rebirth cycles and linked it with ethical behaviour and honest pursuit of one's own occupation.

Krishna gave Arjuna assurance that such a kind of fight would not incur sin. The promise of the Divine intervention to punish the wicked, protect the virtous and establish the righteous society also conveys the message of the disinterested activity of the Divine Being.

Detached activity is neutral and consititutes the basis of constructive social and political reform [or any other reform depending on one's Varnashrama dharma]. It is based on the initiative of the individual who acts with a selfless desire to make society dynamic. He himself works and sets on example for others to follow. It is growth-oriented, spreads from person to person and permeates the entire society. The detached individual decides the form of his activity depending on time, necessity and circumstances in society.

Well, there are a hell lot to say about that.. and I'm tired.

I should before enclosing that say.. nothing will be possible if SRI RAM is not known to be residing in OUR HEART and that AVADH BIHARI who become our mind,heart and soul and HE is that Supreme Director that makes that sanctioned.

And I can say the same thing - My post was logical; yours was shallow and incorrect. This is what will happen when you make unfounded statements. In future, hopefully, you will avoid sweeping statements about the glory of your own brand of religion with no evidence to back it up.

 

And what was ever posted by you?

You have given zero material, till date. You deride direct and simple messages from the Gita with your own "personal" concoctions. You assume you know Advaita without reading a single line of it. And as you are the one picking faults with Advaita, the burden of proof is on you to find evidence to support your allegations. It is simple logic. There are some idiots here who have been repeating the same nonsense about Advaita over and over again for years without evidence. They cannot keep their noses out of the topic and it appears you just joined that bandwagon.

 

And since when Gita was so easy to decipher.

The Author of Gita himself said it's a supreme secret.

And what is so direct about a secret... it is infact mysterious.

Nothing in that quote says I = you = God, which was your thesis. Hence the dismissal stands. Ironically, you have quoted a Bahkti verse from an Advaitin and yet you laughed at the relation between Advaita and Bhakti in your previous post. Just one example of how confused your understanding of Advaita is.

 

Again with your saying it is good or not good.

When you'll explain?

Who said Shankara is an Advaitin?

In fact when many people were losing faith in Hinduism, he came to divert them back to Vedic culture but in a really cunning way.

He did not come to explain those who were already following Hindu Culture.

Vaishnavas were there from time immemorial.

The rest of your post is trash, as usual. If you intend to criticize Advaita and get away with it, you will have to do a lot better than this. Or of course, you can stay out of topics that you know nothing about - the sensible option.

 

Cheers

In fact me too I beleive in Oneness but in a threaded way.

same to you yaar, with your bull shit questions on Vaishnavism.

What to do better.. what it is there to kill in an already dead philosophy.

Anyways.. I'll not spend my time uselessly on that.

I'll have to write something about Svadharma later on.

Ciao, Kaisersose.

You are the biggest rascal I know, Kaisersose.

Why did you put Iskcon in the middle of my talk with you.

You are speaking as if you are a great supporter of theirs.

What was your implication of that you donkey?

OMG! here we go again...

 

Who God? yourself or me or others.`

Means nothing. One can just as easily say,

 

No depth in your sayings. Mine was logical.

You are wrong. Only Pure Shaivism has the right to the word Bhakti. The above claim is spurious, no better than some iskcon folks in Australia

trying to copyright the Hare Krishna mantra. And not just me, ISKCON, the Dvaita school, the Vishishtadvaita school and just about every one in the world would reject your concept as absurd.

 

Atleast I gave some materials to support. you just deny with a full stop.

What yaar? Give me some of your logic as well.

And not just me, ISKCON, the Dvaita school, the Vishishtadvaita school and just about every one in the world would reject your concept as absurd.

 

hahahahah.....

Or perhaps they don't understand because it is pure nonsense? This makes a lot more sense to me.

 

When nothing is left to say... this is what we get as answer. All your dialogues[rubbish] from your repertoire is over or what.

You can, if you spend sometime to know what Advaita is, which you clearly haven't, as will be evident shortly.

 

What do you have to say about it.

Sprout your misinterpretation of the already misinterpreted vedic knowledge.

I've said quite a bit concerning Vaishnavism.

Enlighten me dude.... I've seen you posing questions a lot about vaishnavism... let me also enjoy.

Correct. This may well be the only correct piece of information you have ever posted on this forum till date.

 

Ok thanks.. this means I'm better than you...

Cause till date, you've sprouted only rubbish... I've lost all patience and expectation to hear something good from you:P

Wrong, of course. Clearly shows you do not know the first thing about Advaita. The usual challenge of "produce a quote by Shankara to back your statement up or else it is dismissed as Hare Krishna/Prabhupada nonsense" applies. As the rest of your post is based on this false premise, it is dismissed as junk as well.

 

Well when Krishna is missing in the scenario then good can be expected but not the best.

Again, produce a valid quota from Shankara and you will be taken seriously.

 

Ok, I'll quote from Sankara... "Bhaja Govindam Bhaja Govindam Tad mudhaha"...

According to what I can derive with deep reflection and study... it means "Bhaja Govindam Bhaja Govindam Tad Kaisersose".

Ok, atleast take that seriously.

Though you mock ISKCON a lot, you are no different from the stereotype iskconite in anyway. The same shortcomings found in the narrow minded, ignorant Hare Krishna are seen in you too. You display the same levels of ignorance (and arrogance) as they do. So you would be better off admitting you are no different from them, instead of mocking them and pretending to be somehow better.

 

When I say something, I become arrogant.

All of you here are people seeking spiritual knowledge, right?

So I guess you won't get offended since it is what taught by spirituality.

Take for example I'm sure you'll not get offended.. I'll give from the quote of Sri Shankara the meanning of

mudhaha = Great Ass = kaisersose

I'm sure you are fine with that.. and more sure you are not at all affected.

And please spare us your drivel on Advaita. We have heard the same nonsense from Hare Krishnas here for far too long. Be creative and find something new - especially as you claim to be "better" than them.

Cheers

Let us here that from you and dissipate my ignorance.

If You are able to give me the best out of Sariraka bhasya, I guess you'll increase my ignorance rather than dissipate.

Sure Ranjeet, that's why she is popularly known as Vishnu Maya...

Some see Arjuna as having his sense of duty restored by Krishna and turned into detached Karma-yogi in the process.

 

Others see Arjuna gaining a firm attachment to pleasing Krishna which includes as a secondary consideration detachment from matter, iow Bhakti.

 

"......inaction in action...."

nice vision.

Indeed, he was no longer working for his own whims.

Perfectly said Theist, the Work executed under Hari's order is indeed free from secondary considerations. Arjuna did not see his uncle and brothers there... he was indeed materially free from the conception of life.. though engaged in WAR.

Though acting, still he does not act.. it explains well the Gita Maxim "The soul never does."

Bhakti is not a cleansing process.

It is achieved only after attaining Purity.

Sorry, I disagree. The Advaitin is capable of the highest level of Bhakti possible.

 

Advaita and Bhakti and what else is left to hear.

The Shaiva or Vaishnava has no special "one-up" over the Advaitin wrt., Bhakti. One who takes the above position either does not understand Bhakti or Advaita or possibly both.

 

Neither Shaivism nor Advaita nor any other thought has the copy right for the word Bhakti.

Vaishnavism [i mean pure Vaishnavism, not that depicted by Iskcon or any other school of thought.] only has the reserved right for that.

Why I say that, is because.. Iskcon and the likes are still bounded by regulative principles and as such not liberated yet.

PLS, For Vaishnavas only :Read Lord Shiva's encounter with Pracetas and you'll get an idea of what I mean.

But, I guess many won't understand.. it is a very subtle thesis.

For other school of thought: Well, friends we have the habit to take God for our servant and pray to them for our betterment.

Well for all other God[.. we choose our God according to our degree of material attachement] praying is offered in order to get... But for Sri Hari, prayers are not infact the real in means but Seva, I mean Service.

That's why it is said a real Bhakta is someone who is devoid of all material desires but have that desire to serve Brahman.. of course it's gonna be selfless.

Advaita is the Funiest... and how can you associate Bhakti with that.

I can to some extent associate Bhakti with Islam and Christianity but Advaita.. hahahahaha...

Let's Analyse...

Bhakti englobes 2 words:

1. The Lord, God, Brahman

2. Bhakta

Bhakti means abiding and executing God's Order.

Now, Advaita means ME = YOU = OTHERS = GOD

What I understand is that in your perspective:

Bhakti englobes 2 words:

1. Bhakta

2. Bhakta

OR

Bhakti englobes 2 words:

1. The Lord, God, Brahman

1. The Lord, God, Brahman

Who listen to whom and who abides to whom?

You talk to yourself, you crazy fellow.

Muslims beleive in impersonality but atleast they know they are servants of that Brahman.

Hahahaha...... What I can see, you listen to your own whims and I guess, the best way to describe Advaita is ATHEISM.

Say directly you are an Atheist.

Concering other path which I respect but I've heard to much of disrespect to Vaishnavism and took me out from my sleep...

I can say, there is no Bhakti except to Sri Hari.. THE ONLY GOD who came to ORDER and said explicitly DO THIS AND DO THAT AND SHOWED THE WORLD BHAKTI YOGA was NONE OTHER THAN Sri KRISHNA.

Gita was not spoken by anyone else except Sri Krishna and he only has that reserved right and no one else.

So how come, Bhakti which is a Trade Mark of The Gita is being copyrighted so helplessly by other doctrine.

Prove me the Contrary.

Now To be Fair.. even then Sri Hari is so SWEET that he says.. Gita is Eternal, I'm Eternal, You are Eternal.. you can Come TO ME AT anytime.

No chance to be parochial or blinkered or sectarian.

You have chance birth after birth.. you are always green, pal.

ISKCON bhayya log.. show atleast some beauty of Vaishnavism.. you are doing your best to blinker that universal knowledge.

 

But if you are referring to some kind of Bhakti which ignores the concept of Moksha, then you are in violation of Krishna's diect message in the Gita. Such a concept is also peculiar to Gaudiya Vaishnavism and is rejected by mainstream Vaishnava groups. In which case, the thread should actually be renamed more appropriately as "Dvaita, V-Dvaita Advaita, etc., have no understanding of Gaudiya Vaishnavism".

 

But they do! Everyone knows the Gaudiya position and reject it as false because Gaudiya Vaishnavism is not based on mainstream scripture. ISKCON here means Gaudiya Vaishnavism.

 

http://www.dvaita.org/shaastra/iskcon.shtml

 

Cheers

After school there is Job... those fools are still stuck in their school, they are afraid of the battlefield of Kurukshetra.

I understand, to abide by Hari's order you need to be fearless and completely fearless. AND who is fearless these days?

In the beginning Regulative Principle is observed.. but with that also is needed to be detached with...

to be able to see one day Sri Hari face to face.

"Bhakti starts when Gita classes was over. (amlesh)" --So Cool!

Thanks pal.

Nope.

 

Sorry srikanth but you also missed it. Liberation is not the goal of sadhana-bhakti, although of course all practioners desire freedom from birth and death in the beginning. Lord Caitanya prayed for unending devotional service birth after birth. Service to Krishna is the goal not liberation. Which is another way of Suddha-bhakti is the goal of sadhana-bhakti. To such a person liberation is already present but he doesn't really even notice it because he is absorbed in Loving Krishna i.e. Bhakti.

 

A Vaisnava will never accept sayuja. It is hell to them.

 

Until this point is grasped we have no idea what Vaisnavism is.

 

 

Also why the constant need to thrown stones at Iskcon members? I am aware of the deviations and some of the horrors the present leaders have inflicted on Iskcon.

 

On the other hand I am also aware of pious devotional lifestyle of the rank and file devotee in Iskcon. Matching my daily life and their daily lives one quickly sees what's what.

 

It is about 10:00am as I write this. I have not chanted one round on my mala whereas the devotees in the iskcon temple down the street have been up since 3:30 chanting japa, offering puja, dressing the Deities, cleaning the temple and have long since finished a group Bhagavatam class.

 

I am a clump of dirt compared to them. I don't have much good to say about the leadership but there is so much more to Iskcon then them.

SWEET AS RASSA GULLA.