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Discovery channel did a feature of the Great Flood which happened to happen, according to Historians in Mestophamia region, roughly around 4,600 BC.

 

Some of the people who lived there run away to other parts of the world. Some ran to Egypt and started the Dynasty there and some ran to India and later known as Aryans.

 

One of the features which Aryans have is they brought writings into India.

 

And we know from epic such as Mahabratha about sinking of Drawada city occurs at the beginning of Kaliyuga (according to some Hindus) which is about 5,000 years ago. There is even excavations going on off the shores of Goa, I believe.

 

So, Aryans cannot be the source of Hindusm if events such as that described in Mahabratha occured before their arrival (after 4,600 BC).

 

Also, we know that Vedas are WRITTEN down by Sage Veda Vyasa at around 3100 BC, so given the time between 4,600 ~ 3100 BC, it is safe to assume that Aryans came and settle down in India, and writing flourish for nearly 1,000 years. And this writing is used to written down Epics and Puranas which was passed down orally about Shivattes ages before.

 

So, Aryans are not source of Hindusm but people who contributed and wrote down orally perserved form of Hindusm which existed generations before.

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"Discovery channel did a feature of the Great Flood which happened to happen, according to Historians in Mestophamia region, roughly around 4,600 BC."

 

Ok.

 

"Some of the people who lived there run away to other parts of the world. Some ran to Egypt and started the Dynasty there and some ran to India and later known as Aryans."

 

This is conjecture. Also, something that is in opposition to some of the latest findings, in which Europeans are supposed to have migrated from Africa to India to Europe. In other words, India was a place where they traveled before they ended up in Europe.

 

"One of the features which Aryans have is they brought writings into India. "

 

Conjecture again, based on what seems to be OLD theories, that have to be discarded in the favour of new ones.

 

"And we know from epic such as Mahabratha about sinking of Drawada city occurs at the beginning of Kaliyuga (according to some Hindus) which is about 5,000 years ago. There is even excavations going on off the shores of Goa, I believe."

 

Dwaraka. So what? This just attests to the fact that some of, if not most, of the Mahabharata is based on actual history.

 

 

 

"So, Aryans cannot be the source of Hindusm if events such as that described in Mahabratha occured before their arrival (after 4,600 BC). "

 

HAHAHAH, you ASSUME that Aryans came from Mesopotamia, that Mesopotamia is the current cradle of human civilization or something. There is nothing to suggest the Aryans fled from the Great Flood of Mesopotamia. They could have come from a number of different lands that had experienced some cataclysm. Or maybe even none at all. Besides this, Aryans isn't a term for an ethnic group of people, it's about culture, NOT race.

 

 

By the way, the Mahabharata occurred around 3000 BC. You say the Aryans "came" around 4600 BC. Yet, you say the Aryans came "after" the Mahabharata was composed. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, as the era of BC is counted DOWN not UP like AD is. 3000 BC is AFTER 4600 BC, not BEFORE. So Aryans WOULD be the source of Hinduism by your insipid logic.

 

"Also, we know that Vedas are WRITTEN down by Sage Veda Vyasa at around 3100 BC, so given the time between 4,600 ~ 3100 BC, it is safe to assume that Aryans came and settle down in India, and writing flourish for nearly 1,000 years. And this writing is used to written down Epics and Puranas which was passed down orally about Shivattes ages before."

 

Stop going on about the "Shivattes". Do you mean Shaivites? If so, you are gravely mistaken in denoting them as an ethnic group, because they are a SECT of Hinduism, nothing more. They believe Shiva is the Supreme, while Vaishnavas believe in Vishnu being the Supreme. There is nothing to suggest Shiva and Vishnu belonged to any particular ethnic group that I can see.

 

"So, Aryans are not source of Hindusm but people who contributed and wrote down orally perserved form of Hindusm which existed generations before. "

 

What rubbish, please stop posting garbage about Hinduism, you are clearly not a Hindu and you are not in the position to talk about Hindu history or the history of India for that matter.

 

 

It is my belief that India was a very diverse place during the time of the Mahabharata and Ramayana, where different ethnic groups contributed to Hinduism, and lived in harmony with one another. This idea of an "Aryan" group or "Shivatte" group being the creator of Hinduism is pure garbage, and that's all I have to say about it.

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European are migrated people from Africa, but there is a problem with that senario.

 

See, according to History, up to 40,000 years ago, Homo Sapien couldn't move to Europe because of the Ice Age which covered most of the Europe at that time. Europe was habited by another sub-human species called Neathandhals (wrong spelling here, sorry). After the ice age resided, Homo Sapien made their way to Europe and populate there.

 

Migration to India occurred during the 2nd migration of Humans - 200,000 years ago according to Out of Africa theory and Mitochondria analysation.

 

Therefore, the group which settled in India and group settled in Europe has nothing in common to each other except the fact that they originated from same group in Africa. After that, all connection broke between them.

 

If you accept that some of the part of Mahabratha (if not all) is based on history, then you could accept also that oral presevervation occurred before writing came, via Aryans.

 

We know from history (which include that Discovery channel's programme) that people of Mesoptamia are skilled in writing, so they brought writing to India.

 

As for your assumption of Aryan is term for culture, you are sadly mistaken. We know that in India, during the time of Mahabratha, people have already settled in India. They came from the 2nd Expedition from Africa. Aryans are people who settle in the North of India and were separated themselves via Caste or Varna system from Shivattes in the south. History proves it so.

 

3000 BC is AFTER 4600 BC, not BEFORE.

 

Maybe ... we have not include other text such as Ramayana and the Vedas which is older than the Gita. No possible date is established for them and also, we know that such information about Hindusm have been perserved by oral perseverations by Hindus for a very long time before writing came about. So, we have no way of estimating how old Hindusm is, other than to accept Aryans brought writing to India and help produce scriptures as you see today.

 

As for term Shivattes, I use that as means of differentiate the dark-skinned group of people who lived in India during the Aryans arrival.

 

And show me where it is said that ONLY Hindus are allowed to talk about Hindusm since it is known as Santana Dharma. I don't believe you have authority to tell me not to speak about Hindusm.

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Welcome Sephiroth, this is a open forum.If the unknown guest has a problem with you he can solve his problem by going to a " Indians only " forum, right?

 

['European are migrated people from Africa, but there is a problem with that senario.

See, according to History, up to 40,000 years ago, Homo Sapien couldn't move to Europe because of the Ice Age which covered most of the Europe at that time. Europe was habited by another sub-human species called Neathandhals (wrong spelling here, sorry). After the ice age resided, Homo Sapien made their way to Europe and populate there.]]

 

yep. This is more or less the consensus.

 

[.".Migration to India occurred during the 2nd migration of Humans - 200,000 years ago according to Out of Africa theory and Mitochondria analysation"]

 

yep. this is outcome of genetic studies.

 

["If you accept that some of the part of Mahabratha (if not all) is based on history, then you could accept also that oral presevervation occurred before writing came, via Aryans.."]

 

Aryans introduced writing?! /images/graemlins/confused.gifThis is new to me and to most others. The Aryans (Aryans in historical sense :the indo-aryan speakers who entered 2000-1500 BC ) are NOT CREDITED with writing/script.In fact, they are generally accepted as illiterate (wich is not the same as primitive )

 

[" We know from history (which include that Discovery channel's programme) that people of Mesoptamia are skilled in writing, so they brought writing to India"]

 

Yes. These meso's were smart guys at that time. Anyway, Alphabetic writing in India is accepted as introduced and influenced by persians( who used at that time Aramaic, a semitic script )and also greeks after 500 BC. They knew alphabetic writing at least 700 years before it showed up in india. Oldest alphabetic writing in India showed up( after Persian and greeks entered ) circa 250 BC ( ashoka inscriptions. The oldest alphabetic inscriptions in India are done in aramaic, karoshti and brahmi ( all 3 ultimately of semitic descent).

 

[" So, we have no way of estimating how old Hindusm is, other than to accept Aryans brought writing to India and help produce scriptures as you see today.]

 

Again, the Aryans ( Indo-Aryanspeakers who migrated 2th millenium ) are NOT credited with introducing alphabetic or even symbolic writing in India. PERSIANS ( Archaemenids 650 BC -330 BC )are! ( whether they are ultimately related to the old Aryans is another issue but historically these Archeaminid Persians are to be distinguished from the term Aryans. The term aryans in historical sense refers to the socalled ancient 'migrating'Indo-Aryan speaking tribes of the 2th millenium BC).

 

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Dr.Lalji Singh for the sake of a paper in the journal Science has followed the instructions from his Western masters by making the Blackman (Negro) as the first man. I use the term Negro not to hurt any person but only to differentiate these guys from the Arabs who also live in Africa.

Let me say this I feel both love and anguish for the Blackman. Anguish as they have been exploited, enslaved and raped by Westerners. Now these very Western people have come up with the fabricated theory that the Negro was the first man. This is to flatter the Africans and then further rape the riches of Africa. Also the aim is to cut the roots of ancient civilizations. When Africa has been raped of her riches then these very people will say we meant the Negro is the missing link between man and beast. How cruel!

 

Lalji was promised goodies by his Western friends in order to push this fake theory into India by placing it on the CCMB Hyderabad site.

 

Lalji how can the first man be a Negro when very little of the earth has been dug up. Who knows what fossils are under even Hyderabad in India. If I find say a very old fossilized man In Jaunpur and then link it genetically to contemporary humans (easy to do so ) does this mean this is the very first man? There may be older human fossil say in an island in the Pacific. So Lalji getting your name in the journal Science does not mean much, in the process you have not been honest and have also compromised the history and culture of Bharat. Even a child can make out that you have been manipulated. I do not blame you, you are a nice man but have a poor education. The Western people always look out for such people to push their agenda.

 

To the Western people I say this no matter how much money and effort you put this fake theory will not find its way into India. Also you can seduce simple-minded chaps like Lalji but can you seduce our truly eminent scientists (they know it all) like Prof.C.N.R. Rao, Prof. Balaram, Prof.Obeid Siddiqui etc., I doubt it.

 

I wish to say the Indians must give all support to Africa and the BLackman. We Indians never exploited them and are their genuine friends.

 

Dr. Resham Singh

 

 

 

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Many foreigners are using Indian names in order to change the history of India. The purety of the Aryan race in India has been maintained and will be maintained. India is the original home of the Aryan race.

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The Two Genetic Strains

Let's take this a little further. As this is extremely simplified, there are literally hundreds of civilizations that are not represented here. But this is the basic template.

As you say in your Bible (and we will use it humorously), Lyra begat Terra, Lyra begat Pleiadians, Vega begat Orion, Vega begat Sirius. You can see some of the genetic progressions here. The Terrans (Terrans, of course being you) and the Pleiadians are more light-skinned (Lyran). Orions and Sirians are somewhat more Vegan. Now, there are a myriad of other civilizations: for instance, in the Vegan genetic chain there are Alpha Centauri and Altair, various planets in the Draco system, and some civilizations within Ursa Major. Those are minor players. We speak of the main players of this drama.

 

You'll hear us talk about the Lyran and Sirian groups more than the Lyran/Vegan [level of polarity]. The Vegans were the first civilization here on Earth, before the Lyrans ever came. This was during the time when prehistoric creatures were on your planet. Your Earth then was considered a future Vegan colony; when the planet settled down it would become a Vegan colony. Since Vega is close to your Earth in light years, this is very natural.

 

 

Troublemaking Lyrans

But the Lyrans came eventually and caused a lot of trouble (which is something they're known for). At some point the Vegans pulled out and it became a Lyran planet. Generations and generations later, the Sirians, who were begat from the Vegans, came back to claim the Earth. So the conflict thus lies between the Sirians and the Lyrans.

Those of you who have read a book on your planet called The Gods of Eden will find a reference to the Brotherhood versus the custodial gods. This dynamic of the Brotherhood, the custodial gods, the Lyrans and the Sirians has been playing on your planet since its inception. You have two groups who believe, or did believe, that you were their territory.

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No Dravidian race exists. Dravid means south. Most people in every corner of India are the purest Aryans. The original home of this race is India.

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The Aryans never invaded India but are native to India. Most Indians in India are pure Aryans. the colour varies due to changes in climate.

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NO ONE IS IN A POSITION TO REMOVE OR EVEN CREATE A CONFUSION REGARDING THE ORIGIN OF ARYAN RACE IT IS INDIA. MOST INDIANS IN EVERY CORNER OF INDIA ARE PURE ARYANS

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In the following link you get the information as shown below.{it is only some part of the page } Is that true ? if anybody knows about this can you clarify ? Or this is misinterpreted? Or the word mohammad has some meaning in Sanskrit language. Please you’re your answers to the following id. Thanks.

My Email ID : vishwa.patil@rediffmail.com

 

Link : http://www.geocities.com/islamimiracles6/gita_last_prophet_p3.htm

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Hindu Scriptures

By M. N. Anderson

 

Dr. Z. Haq claimed that the name of Mohammad appears in the Hindu scriptures which are believed to have been written at least four thousand years ago.

Dr. Z. Haq claims that the word Mahamad appears in the Puranas, Mamah in Kuntap Sukt (in Atharva Veda) and Ahmad in Sama Veda... Among the eighteen volumes of the Puranas is one by the title 'Bhavishya Puran,' literally meaning future events. The Hindus regard it as the Word of God. The prophecy containing Prophet Muhammad by name is found in Prati Sarg Parv III: 3, 3, Verse 5.

The translation of Verses 5-27 (Sanskrit text of the Puranas, Prati Sarg Parv III: 3, 3) is presented below from the work of Dr. Vidyarthi.

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This race never invaded India but originated in India. No amount of politics can change this. Read First Book of Aryans the Rigveda as also the Awastha

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Afghans and persians invaded India more then you can count.

 

 

 

Aryan king Yama 2000 BCE---Afghan

Mogual--- Afghans

Durus----Persian

Archeman---Persian

Durani empire----afghan

Sultanatei Duili----Afghan

Gaznadvad---- Afghans

Lodi---Afghahns/Persians

Gorids---Afghans

 

 

 

I have more but its useless because their are lass resources out there.

 

 

Hello Afghans had the first farming civilizations in the world 50,000 BCE wake up their is a new theory about whether to change the "first nation theory" from Africa to Afghanistan. in 2003 they found the oldest face curved called "mother of mother" dateing back to 15,000 BCE so Go and research ur self

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Dr. Lalji Singh is a poorly trained scientist. For the sake of a foreign grant or a paper in science he will make the Negro his Dad. the west is making the Negro a linl between man and beast a fake theory. The Western scientists as yet do not know where HIV came from a man is far off. a fake politically motivated theory generated in the West and carefully planted worlwide. all people with even small brains know this is a fake theory.

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the aryan Race is native to India and the many experts accept Kashmir as the original home of Aryans. Read the true story below no one can change this:

 

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Origins of the swastika

 

The Nazis hijacked the symbol from its Hindu origins

The EU has been urged to ban the swastika because of its Nazi associations with hate and racism. But the symbol was around long before Adolf Hitler.

The swastika is a cross with its arms bent at right angles to either the right or left. In geometric terms, it is known as an irregular icosagon or 20-sided polygon.

 

The word is derived from the Sanskrit "svastika" and means "good to be". In Indo-European culture it was a mark made on people or objects to give them good luck.

 

It has been around for thousands of years, particularly as a Hindu symbol in the holy texts, to mean luck, Brahma or samsara (rebirth). It can be clockwise or anti-clockwise and the way it points in all four directions suggests stability. Sometimes it features a dot between each arm.

 

 

Prince Harry's Nazi fancy dress uniform sparked anger

Nowadays it is commonly seen in Indian artwork and current and ancient Hindu architecture, and in the ruins of the ancient city of Troy. It has also been used in Buddhism and Jainism, plus other Asian, European and Native American cultures.

 

The British author Rudyard Kipling, who was strongly influenced by Indian culture, had a swastika on the dust jackets of all his books until the rise of Nazism made this inappropriate. It was also a symbol used by the scouts in Britain, although it was taken off Robert Baden-Powell's 1922 Medal of Merit after complaints in the 1930s.

 

The Finnish Air Force also used it as its official symbol in World War II, and it still appears on medals, but it had no connection with the Nazi use.

 

It is rarely seen on its own in Western architecture, but a design of interlocking swastikas is part of the design of the floor of the cathedral of Amiens, France.

 

Nazi's hooked cross

 

Swastika is also a small mining town in northern Ontario, Canada, about 580 kilometres north of Toronto. Attempts by the government of Ontario to change the town's name during World War II were rejected by residents.

 

But it is its association with the National Socialist German Workers Party in the 1930s which is etched on the minds of Western society. Before Hitler, it was used in about 1870 by the Austrian Pan-German followers of Schoenerer, an Austrian anti-Semitic politician.

 

Its Nazi use was linked to the belief in the Aryan cultural descent of the German people. They considered the early Aryans of India to be the prototypical white invaders and hijacked the sign as a symbol of the Aryan master race.

 

The Nazi party formally adopted the swastika - what they called the Hakenkreuz, the hooked cross - in 1920. This was used on the party's flag (above), badge, and armband.

 

In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote: "I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika."

 

 

 

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Origins of the swastika

 

The Nazis hijacked the symbol from its Hindu origins

The EU has been urged to ban the swastika because of its Nazi associations with hate and racism. But the symbol was around long before Adolf Hitler.

The swastika is a cross with its arms bent at right angles to either the right or left. In geometric terms, it is known as an irregular icosagon or 20-sided polygon.

 

The word is derived from the Sanskrit "svastika" and means "good to be". In Indo-European culture it was a mark made on people or objects to give them good luck.

 

It has been around for thousands of years, particularly as a Hindu symbol in the holy texts, to mean luck, Brahma or samsara (rebirth). It can be clockwise or anti-clockwise and the way it points in all four directions suggests stability. Sometimes it features a dot between each arm.

 

 

Prince Harry's Nazi fancy dress uniform sparked anger

Nowadays it is commonly seen in Indian artwork and current and ancient Hindu architecture, and in the ruins of the ancient city of Troy. It has also been used in Buddhism and Jainism, plus other Asian, European and Native American cultures.

 

The British author Rudyard Kipling, who was strongly influenced by Indian culture, had a swastika on the dust jackets of all his books until the rise of Nazism made this inappropriate. It was also a symbol used by the scouts in Britain, although it was taken off Robert Baden-Powell's 1922 Medal of Merit after complaints in the 1930s.

 

The Finnish Air Force also used it as its official symbol in World War II, and it still appears on medals, but it had no connection with the Nazi use.

 

It is rarely seen on its own in Western architecture, but a design of interlocking swastikas is part of the design of the floor of the cathedral of Amiens, France.

 

Nazi's hooked cross

 

Swastika is also a small mining town in northern Ontario, Canada, about 580 kilometres north of Toronto. Attempts by the government of Ontario to change the town's name during World War II were rejected by residents.

 

But it is its association with the National Socialist German Workers Party in the 1930s which is etched on the minds of Western society. Before Hitler, it was used in about 1870 by the Austrian Pan-German followers of Schoenerer, an Austrian anti-Semitic politician.

 

Its Nazi use was linked to the belief in the Aryan cultural descent of the German people. They considered the early Aryans of India to be the prototypical white invaders and hijacked the sign as a symbol of the Aryan master race.

 

The Nazi party formally adopted the swastika - what they called the Hakenkreuz, the hooked cross - in 1920. This was used on the party's flag (above), badge, and armband.

 

In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote: "I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika."

 

FROM IRAN:

 

As Darius the Great says: Adam Parsa Parsahaya Pusa, Arya Arya cisa (I am a Persian, the son of a Persian, an Aryan, from the Aryan race!)

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Wow years later. Aryans is Mahabharatas and Kshatriyas tribes. Hence Aria and Aryavarta. Aria was Persi Persia Iran Iriani same thing. Lots of this stuff gets lost in translations. The sacred language is Sanskirt bc of its phonectics & calligraphy its sacred. Yes not all Indians or Persians are white or black. There's all kinds of shades when U live close to the equator! Genes modify for survival of the next generation passing memory & traits subconsciously for revising genectic blueprints for offaprings survival. So don't be surprised that not everyone is white or better terms light! Persia was invaded by Scythians, Greeks, Romans and integrated. Hitler came to India learned of the Svatika (popular variant Swatika) and was fascinated w Indian technology and philosophy but he misinterpreted many of it. He had many of his scientist study the flying weaponry spun off India past wars feom the Bhagrava Gita and thus made the first recognized Missle in order to rule. Which led to a stigmatic tarnishing of the real intent of the Svatika/Swatika. Hence Saraswati's symbol. Thai people been using "Saraswati" to wish well to others. As monks use it for good. Cambyses/Kambyses is Cyrus the Great, the Greek's name for Kambujiya but his real name & Aryan name is Kambujiya/Kambujaya. The "Ja" is means son or Decendant in Sanskirt. His father is Kambuja from Kambo/Kambol/Kamboja. Above India. They are known as the Kams. Present day Kabul, Afghanistan. Kambujiya wanted Aryanizations so he migrated to Funan Present day Cambodia (English take on Original Kampuchea or Kambujiya variant based on accents) The King was Cyrus the Great son of Kambuja. In Angkor displays the many battles of their people The Mahabharata Tribes (Aryans). Clothing hasn't changed much. Later was colonized by Chinese due to commerce. Later invaded by Mongkols/Mongolians/Mungals Empire. Thai, Laos, Burma, Indonesia, India, Persia, Afghans same people but mixes through generations. Tied to the same Ancient languages of Sanskirt, Pali, and Prakrit and new Variation over lapse of centuries. Hence Sanskirt, Pali, Prakrit is an Ancient language of Aryans. Aryans are many Asians and found densely from Ancient Persian to Egypt and to Kambodia, and Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Malaysia basically the islands as well and we still speak the same languages but w accents and fragments. Many Aryans migrated North to Europe. One thing that hasn't change much is naming the kids like Ari, Arun (Aaron), Ariana derived from Ariyan. We still name our kids the same names since ancient times. IE: Soma, Dina, Sina, Sara, Dara, Kunthea, Pisey, Pardis (Paradise), Saman, Arun, Rasmey (Ramsey), Arman which came from Varman meaning Armor or Protector. Sanskirts takes more than one meaning unlike English which is a very simple language to learn. Farsi (Persian language has Sanskirt in it) IE: Ut-nah in Sanskirt is short to Nah which means no. Ut-Ehy in Sanskirts means Okay in Farsi means Yes or Bali means Yes also. Ut-Ehy-Nah means It's Okay but No.

 

Basically without Sanskirt, Pali, Prakrit, in the newer languages you don't have Ariyans. Just bc it was world widely incorrect for a period of time but historically through out the years its been densly localized in the middle east, southeast Asia, the Asian island and some of Egypt bc of Alexander the Great waring around. You need to check all of history and its ties to locality before you say its just this and only this and be ignorant about it the truth. Cut the fiction and get to the facts friend!

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It is indeed true, Aryans or the people who were spiritually pure are none other than those who formed the Indus valley civillisation, the other BS perpertrated by the whites that aryans came from europe is nothing but a pure myth... If aryans were outsiders, why did they refer to specific aspects of India?? Why would they create a completely new language (sanskrit) to write rig veda?? Why would they not use ancient babylonian or sumerian writings?? This is a pure british propoganda that many still like to keep close to their hearts, purely due to racial reasons.. India was first home to a certain species of humans called Homo Erectus that then evolved to Homo Sapiens. However, over the recent years, there have been some minute samples in which they found west asian genes purely due to the fact that some muslims may have afghani/arabian origins due to rapa dn murder that used to happen in mughal times... that's a very good yardstick the white supremists use to show their superioirty... INDIANS=ARYANS...only Indians can think of values and eace that any other civillisation has seldom thought of most of the so called greek inventions are nothing but an Indian version of european fairytales... made to claim superiority ....

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