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emerged from a parent society, that doesn't mean Aryans came from Iran. Nor does it mean they worship the exact same deities.

 

The Rig-Veda, for one, does not even mention any places outside of India. Maybe the Iranian texts do, but that does not mean the Aryans originated outside of India.

 

In any case, below is an article that discusses the Aryan Invasion theory (even if Aryans did come to India, I don't believe it was by invasion).

 

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Demise of Aryan Invasion/Race Theory

(Dr. Dinesh Agrawal)

 

Aryan Race and Invasion Theory is not a subject of academic interest

only, rather it conditions our perception of India's historical evolution,

the sources of her ancient glorious heritage, and indigenous

socio-economic-political institutions which have been developed over the

millennia. Consequently, the validity or invalidity of this theory has an

obvious and strong bearing on the contemporary Indian political and social

landscape as well as the future of Indian nationalism. The subject matter

is as relevant today as it was a hundred years ago when it was cleverly

introduced in the school text books by British rulers. The last couple of

decades have witnessed a growing interest among scholars, social scientists,

and many nationalist Indians in this some what vapid and prosaic subject due

to their aunguish on the great damage this theory has wrought on the psyche

of the Indian society, and its tremendous contribution in creating apparently

lasting schism between the different sections of the Hindu society. This

subject must especially and urgently interest to all those people who

are committed to the ideology of Hindutva, for one of the primary and

fundamental premises of Hindutva philosophy lies in the fact that the Indian

cultural nationalism has been evolved and fostered over the millenia by our

ancient rishis who at the banks of holy rivers of Saptasindhu had composed the

Vedic literature - the very foundation of Indian civilization, and realised the

eternal truth about the Creator, His creation, and means to preserve it. The

fact that these pioneers of the ancient Vedic culture and hence the Hinduism

were indigenous people of mother India, is mendaciously denied by the Aryan

Invasion theory which professes their foreign origin. If such a false theory

is allowed to perpetuate and given credence without any tenable and reliable

basis, the very raison d'etre of Hindutva is endangered. In this essay, an

attempt has been made to expose the myth of Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT)

based on scriptural, archaeological evidences and proper interpretation of

Vedic verses, and present the factual situation of the ancient Vedic society

and how it progressed and evolved into all-embracing and catholic principle,

now known as Hindusim.

 

The Aryan issue is quite controversial and has been the focus of historians,

archaeologists, Indologists, and sociologists for over a century. AIT is merely

a proposed 'theory', and not a factual event. And theories keep modifying, are

discredited, nay even rejected with the emergence of new knowledge and data

pertaining to the subject matter of the theories. The AIT can not be accepted

as Gospel truth knowing fully well its shaky and dubious foundations, and now

with the emergence of new information and an objective analysis of the

archaeological data and scriptures, the validity of AIT is seriously challenged

and it stands totally untenable. The most weird aspect of the AIT is that it

has its origin not in any Indian records (no where in any of the ancient

Indian scriptures or epics or Puranas, etc. is there any mention of this

AIT, sounds really incredible!), but in European politics and German

nationalism of 19th century. AIT has no support either in Indian literature,

tradition, science, or not even in any of the south Indian (Dravidians,

inhabitants of south India, who were supposed to be the victims of the

so-called Aryan invasion) literature and tradition. So a product of European

politics of the 19th century was forced on Indian history only to serve the

imperialist policy of British colonialists to divide the Indian society on

ethnic and religious lines in order to continue their reign on the one hand

and accentuate the religious aims of Christian missionaries on the other.

There is absolutely no reference in Indian traditions and literature of an

Aryan Invasion of Northern India, until the British imperialists imposed this

theory on an unsuspecting and gullible Indian society and introduced it to the

school curriculum. The irony is that this is still taught in our schools as an

unmitigated truth, and the authorities who set the curriculum of Indian

history books are not yet prepared to accept the verdict, and make the amends.

This is truly a shame! Now, more and more evidence is emerging which not only

challenges the old myth of Aryan Invasion, but also is destroying all the

pillars on which the entire edifice of AIT had been assiduously but

cleverly built.

 

It is a known fact that most of the original proponents of AIT were not

historians or archaeologists but had missionary and political axe to grind. Max

Muller in fact had been paid by the East India Company to further its colonial

aims, and others like Lassen and Weber were ardent German nationalists, with

hardly any authority or knowledge on India, only motivated by the superiority

of German race/nationalism through white Aryan race theory. And as everybody

knows this eventually ended up in the most calamitous event of 20th century:

the World War II. Even in the early times of the AIT's onward journey of

acceptability, there were numerous challengers like C.J.H. Hayes, Boyed C.

Shafer and Hans Kohn who made a deep study of the evolution and character

of nationalism in Europe. They had exposed the unscientificness of many of the

budding social sciences which were utilized in the 19th century to create the

myth of Aryan Race Theory.

 

In the last couple of decades, the discovery of the lost track of the Rig

Vedic river Saraswati, the excavation of a chain of Harappan sites from Ropar

in the Punjab to Lothal and Dhaulavira in Gujarat all along this lost track,

the discovery of the archaeological remains of Vedis (alters) and Yupas

connected with Vedic Yajnas (sacrifices) at Harrapan sites like Kalibangan,

decipherment of the Harappan/Indus script by many scholars as a language

belonging to Vedic Sanskrit family, the view of the archaeologists like Prof.

Dales, Prof. Allchin etc. that the end of the Harappan civilization came not

because of the so called Aryan invasion but as a result of a series of floods,

the discovery of the lost Dwarka city beneath the sea water near Gujarat coast

and its similarity with Harappan civilization - all these new findings and an

objective, accurate and contextual interpretation of Vedas indicate

convincingly towards the full identity of the Harappan/Indus civilization with

post Vedic civilization, and demand a re-examination of the entire gamut of

Aryan Race/Invasion Theories which have been forcefully pushed down the throats

of Indian society by some European manipulators and Marxist historians all

these years.

 

For thousands of years the Hindu society has looked upon the Vedas as the

fountainhead of all knowledge: spiritual and secular, and the mainstay of Hindu

culture, heritage and its existence. Never our historical or religious records

have questioned this fact. Even western and far eastern travellers who have

documented their experiences during their prolonged stay and sojourn in India

have testified the importance of Vedic literature and its indigenous origin.

And now, suddenly, in the last century or so, these the so-called European

scholars are pontificating us that the Vedas do not belong to Hindus, they were

the creation of a barbaric horde of nomadic tribes descended upon north India

and destroyed an advanced indigenous civilization. They even suggest that the

Sanskrit language is of non-Indian origin. This is all absurd, preposterous,

and defies the commonsense. A nomadic, barbaric horde of invaders cannot from

any stretch of imagination produce the kind of sublime wisdom, pure and

pristine spiritual experiences of the highest order, a universal philosophy of

religious tolerance and harmony for the entire mankind, one finds in the Vedic

literature.

 

Now let us examine the origin and the conditions in which this historical fraud

was concocted.

Max Muller, a renowned Indologist from Germany, is credited with the

popularization of the Aryan racial theory in the middle of 19th century. Though

later on when Muller's reputation as a Sanskrit scholar was getting damaged,

and he was challenged by his peers, since nowhere in the Sanskrit literature,

the term Arya denoted a racial people, he recanted and pronounced that Aryan

meant only a linguistic family and never applied to a race. But the damage was

already done. The German and French political and nationalist groups exploited

this racial phenomenon to propagate the supremacy of an assumed Aryan race of

white people, which Hitler used to its extreme absurdities for his barbaric

crusade to terrorize Jews and other societies. This culminated in the

holocaust of millions of innocent people. Though now this racial nonsense has

mostly been discarded in Europe, but in India it is still being exploited and

used to divide and denigrate the Hindu society. Our aim is to expose myth about

AIT, and establish the truth of the identity of the pioneers of the Vedic

civilization and set the historical events after the Vedic period in proper

perspective and in realistic time frame.

 

What, really, is Aryan Invasion Theory?

According to this theory, northern India was invaded and conquered by

nomadic, light-skinned RACE of a people called 'ARYANS' who descended from

Central Asia (or some unknown land ?) around 1500 BC, and destroyed an earlier

and more advanced civilization of the people habitated in the Indus Valley and

imposed upon them their culture and language. These Indus Valley people were

supposed to be either Dravidian, or AUSTRICS or now--days' Shudra class etc.

 

The main elements on which the entire structure of AIT has been built are:

Arya is a racial group, their invasion, they were nomadic, light-skinned, their

original home was outside India, their invasion occurred around 1500 BC, they

destroyed an advanced civilization of Indus valley, etc. And what are the

evidences AIT advocates present in support of all these wild conjectures:

 

Invasion: Mention of Conflicts in Vedic literature, findings of skeletons at

the excavated sites of Mohanjodro and Harappa

 

Nomadic, Light-skinned: Pure conjecture and misinterpretation of Vedic hymns.

 

Non-Aryan/Dravidian Nature of Indus civilization: absence of horse, Shiva

worshippers, chariots, Racial differences, etc.

 

Date of Invasion, 1500 BC: Arbitrary and speculative, in Mesopotamia and Iraq

the presence of the people worshipping Vedic gods around 1700BC, Biblical

chronology

 

Major Flaws in Aryan Invasion Theory

 

A major flaw of the invasion theory was that it had no explanation for why

the Vedic literature that was assumed to go back into the second millennium BC

had no reference to any region outside of India. Also the astronomical

references in the Rig Veda allude to events in the third millennium BC and

even earlier, indicating origin ofVedic hymns earlier than 3000BC. The

contributions of the Vedic world to philosophy, mathematics, logic, astronomy,

medicine and other sciences provide one of the foundations on which rests the

common heritage of mankind, is well recognized but cannot be reconciled if

Vedas were composed after 1500BC. Further, if it is assumed that the so-called

Aryans invaded the townships in the Harappa valley and destroyed its habitants

and their civilization, how come after doing that they did not occupy these

towns? The excavations of these sites indicate that the townships were

abandoned. And if the Harappan civilization had a Dravidian origin, who were

allegedly pushed down to the south by Aryans, how come there is no

Aryan-Dravidian divide in the respective literatures and historical traditions.

The North and South have never been known to be culturally hostile to each

other. Prior to the descent of British on Indian scene, there was a continuous

interaction and cultural exchange between the two regions. The Sanskrit

language, the so-called Aryan language was the lingua-franca of the

entire society for thousands of years. The three greatest figures of later

Hinduism - Shankaracharya, Madhavacharya and Ramanujam were Southerners who

are universally respected in the North, and who have written commentaries on

Vedic scriptures in Sanskrit only for the benefit of the entire population.

Even in the ancient times some of the great Sutra authors like Baudhayana and

Apastamba were from South. Agastya, a celebrated Vedic rishi, is widely

venerated in the South as the one who introduced Vedic learning to the South

India. And also was the South India un-inhabitated prior to the pushing of the

original population of Indus Valley? If not, who were the original inhabitants

of South India, who accepted the newcomers without any hostility or fight?

 

There is enough positive evidence in support of the religious rites of the

Harappans being similar to those of the Vedic Aryans. Their religious motifs,

deities and sacrificial altars bespeak of Aryan faith, indicating continuity

and identity of Vedic culture with the Indus valley civilization.

 

If the Aryan Hindus were outsiders, why don't they name places outside India

as their most holy places? Why should they sing paeans in the praise of India's

numerous rivers crisscrossing the entire peninsula, and mountains -

repositories of life giving water and natural resources, nay even bestow them

a status of goddesses and gods. If Aryans were outsiders why should they

consider this land as the 'holy land' and not their original land as the 'holy

land' or motherland? For the Muslims, their holy placeis Mecca. For the

Catholics it is Rome or Jerusalem. For the Hindus, their pilgrim centers range

from Kailash in the North, to Rameshwaram in the South; and from Hingalaj

(Sindh) in the West to Parusuram Kund (Arunchala Pradesh) in the East. The

seven holy cities of Hinduism include Kanchipurum in the south, Dwaraka in the

west and Ujjain in central India. The twelve jyotirlings include Ramashwaram in

Tamil Nadu, Srisailam in Andhra Pradesh, Nashik in Maharashtra, Somnath in

Gujarat and Kashi in Uttar Pradesh. All these are located in greater India

only. No Hindu from any part of India has felt a stranger in any other part of

India when on a pilgrimage. The seven holy rivers in Hinduism, indeed, seem to

chart out the map of the holy land. The Sindhu and the Saraswati (now extinct)

originating from the Himalayas and move westward and southwards into the

western sea; the Ganga and the Yamuna also start in the Himalayas and move

eastward into the north-eastern sea; the Narmada starts in central India and

the Godavari starts in western India, while the Kaveri winds its way through

the south to move into the southern sea. More than a thousand years ago, Adi

Shankaracharya, who was born in Kerala, established several mathas (religious

and spiritual centers) including at Badrinath in the north (UP), Puri in the

east (Orissa), Dwaraka in the west (Gujarat), and at Shringeri and Kanchi in

the south. That is India, that is Bharat, that is Hinduism.

 

These are some of the obvious serious objections, inconsistencies, and

glaring anomalies to which the invasionists have no convincing or plausible

explanations which could reconcile the above facts with the Aryan invasion

theory and destruction of Indus Valley civilization.

 

Now let us examine the facts about the so-called evidences in support of AIT:

 

1. Real Meaning of the Word 'ARYA'

 

In 1853, Max Muller introduced the word 'Arya' into the English and European

usage as applying to a racial and linguistic group when propounding the Aryan

Racial theory. However, in 1888, he himself refuted his own theory and wrote:

 

" I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood nor

bones, nor hair, nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language...

to me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and

hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic

dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar." (Max Muller, Biographies of Words and

the Home of the Aryas, 1888, pg 120)

 

In Vedic Literature, the word Arya is nowhere defined in connection with

either race or language. Instead it refers to: gentleman, good-natured,

righteous person, noble-man, and is often used like 'Sir' or 'Shree' before

the name of a person like Aryaputra, Aryakanya, etc.

 

In Ramayan (Valmiki), Rama is described as an Arya in the following words:

Arya - who cared for the equality to all and was dear to everyone.

 

Etymologically, according to Max Muller, the word Arya was derived from ar-,

"plough, to cultivate". Therefore, Arya means - "cultivator" agriculturer

(civilized sedentary, as opposed to nomads and hunter-gatherers), landlord;

 

V.S. Apte's Sanskrit-English dictionary relates the word Arya to the root r-,to

which a prefix a has been appended to give a negating meaning. And therefore

the meaning of Arya is given as "excellent, best", followed by "respectable"

and as a noun, "master, lord, worthy, honorable, excellent", upholder of Arya

values, and further: teacher, employer, master, father-in-law, friend, Buddha.

 

So nowhere either in the religious scriptures or by tradition the word Arya

denotes a race or language. To impose such a meaning on this epithet is an

absolute intellectual dishonesty, deliberate falsification of the facts, and

deceptive-scholarship. There are only four primary races, namely, Caucasian,

the Mangolian, the Australians and the Negroid. Both the Aryans and Dravidians

are related branches of the Caucasian race generally placed in the same

Mediterranean sub-branch. The difference between the so-called Aryans of the

north and the Dravidians of the south or other communities of Indian

subcontinent is not a racial type. Biologically all are the same Caucasian

type, only when closer to the equator the skin gets darker, and under the

influence of constant heat the bodily frame tends to get a little smaller. And

these differences can not be the basis of two altogether different races.

Similar differences one can observe even more distinctly among the people of

pure Caucasian white race of Europe. Caucasian can be of any color ranging

from pure white to almost pure black, with every shade of brown in between.

Similarly, the Mongolian race is not yellow. Many Chinese have skin whiter than

many so-called Caucasians. Further, a recent landmark global study in

population genetics by a team of internationally reputed scientists over 50

years (The History and Geography of Human Genes, by Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo

Menozzi and Alberto Piazza, Princeton University Press) reveals that the

people habitated in the Indian subcontinent and nearby including Europe, all

belong to one single race of Caucasion type. According to this study, there is

essentially, and has been no difference racially between north Indians and the

so-called Dravidian South Indians. The racial composition has remained almost

the same for millennia. This study also confirms that there is no race called

as an Aryan race.

 

2. The voluminous references to various wars and conflicts in Rigveda are

frequently cited as the proof of an invasion and wars between invading

white-skinned Aryans and dark-skinned indigenous people. Well, the so-called

conflicts and wars mentioned in the Rigveda can be categorized mainly in the

following three types:

 

A. Conflicts between the forces of nature: Indra, the Thunder-God of the Rig

Veda, occupies a central position in the naturalistic aspects of the Rigvedic

religion, since it is he who forces the clouds to part with their all-important

wealth, the rain. In this task he is pitted against all sorts of demons and

spirits whose main activity is the prevention of rainfall and sunshine. Rain,

being the highest wealth, is depicted in terms of more terrestrial forms of

wealth, such as cows or soma. The clouds are depicted in terms of their

physical appearance: as mountains, as the black abodes of the demons who retain

the celestial waters of the heavens (i.e. the rains), or as the black demons

themselves. This is in no way be construed as the war between white Aryans and

black Dravidians. This is a perverted interpretation from those who have

not understood the meaning and purport of the Vedic culture and philosophy.

Most of the verses which mention the wars/conflicts are composed using poetic

imagery, and depict the celestial battles of the natural forces, and often take

greater and greater recourse to terrestrial terminology and anthropomorphic

depictions. The descriptions acquire an increasing tendency to shift from

naturalism to mythology. And it is these mythological descriptions which are

grabbed at by invasion theorists as descriptions of wars between invading

Aryans and indigenous non-Aryans. An example of such distorted interpretation

is made of the following verse:

 

The body lay in the midst of waters that are neither still nor flowing. The

waters press against the secret opening of the Vrtra (the coverer) who lay in

deep darkness whose enemy is Indra. Mastered by the enemy, the waters held back

like cattle restrained by a trader. Indra crushed the vrtra and broke open the

withholding outlet of the river. (Rig Veda, I.32.10-11)

 

This verse is a beautiful poetic and metamorphical description of snow-clad

dark mountains where the life-sustaining water to feed the rivers flowing in

the Aryavarta is held by the hardened ice caps (vrtra demon) and Indra, the

rain god by allowing the sun to light its rays on the mountains makes the ice

caps break and hence release the water. The invasionists interpret this verse

literally on human plane, as the slaying of vrtra, the leader of dark skinned

Dravidian people of Indus valley by invading white-skinned Aryan king Indra.

This is an absurd and ludicrous interpretation of an obvious conflict between

the natural forces.

 

B. Conflict between Vedic and Iranian people: Another category of conflicts in

the Rigveda represents the genuine conflict between the Vedic people and the

Iranians. At one time Iranians and Vedic people formed one society and were

living harmoniously in the northern part of India practising Vedic culture,

but at some point in the history for some serious philosophical dispute, the

society got divided and one section moved to further north-west, now known as

Iran. However, the conflict and controversy were continued between the two

groups often resulting into even physical fights. The Iranians not only called

their God Ahura (Vedic Asura) and their demons Daevas (Vedic Devas), but they

also called themselves Dahas and Dahyus (Vedic Dasas, and Dasyus). The oldest

Iranian texts, moreover depict the conflicts between the daeva-worshippers and

the Dahyus on behalf of the Dahyus, as the Vedic texts depict them on behalf of

the Deva-worshippers. Indra, the dominant God of the Rigveda, is represented in

the Iranian texts by a demon Indra. What this all indicate that wars or

conflicts of this second category are not between Aryans and non-Aryans, but

between two estranged groups of the same parent society which got divided by

some philosophical dichotomy. Vedas even mention the gods of Dasyus as Arya

also.

 

C. Conflicts between various indigenous tribal groups over natural resources

and various minor kingdoms to gain supremacy over the land and its expansion: A

global phenomenon known to share the natural resources like, water, cattle,

vegetation and land, and expand the geographical boundaries of the existing

kingdoms. This conflict in no way suggests any war or invasion by outsiders on

the indigenous people.

 

3. It is argued that in the excavations at Harappa and Mohenjo-daro the human

skeletons found do prove that a massacre had taken place at these townships by

invading armies of Aryan nomads. Prof. G. F. Dales (Former head of department

of Southasean Archaeology and Anthropology, Berkeley University, USA) in his

"The Mythical Massacre at Mohenjo-daro, Expedition Vol VI,3: 1964 states the

following about this evidence:

 

What of these skeletal remains that have taken on such undeserved importance?

Nine years of extensive excavations at Mohenjo-daro (1922-31) - a city of three

miles in circuit - yielded the total of some 37 skeletons, or parts thereof,

that can be attributed with some certainty to the period of the Indus

civilizations. Some of these were found in contorted positions and groupings

that suggest anything but orderly burials. Many are either disarticulated or

incomplete. They were all found in the area of the Lower Town - probably the

residential district. Not a single body was found within the area of the

fortified citadel where one could reasonably expect the final defence of this

thriving capital city to have been made.

 

He further questions: Where are the burned fortresses, the arrow heads,

weapons, pieces of armour, the smashed chariots and bodies of in the invaders

and defenders? Despite the extensive excavations at the largest Harappan sites,

there is not a single bit of evidence that can be brought forth as

unconditional proof of an armed conquest and the destruction on the supposed

scale of the Aryan invasion.

 

Colin Renfrew, Prof. of Archeology at Cambridge, in his famous work,

"Archeology and Language : The Puzzle of Indo-European Origins", Cambridge

Univ. Press, 1988, makes the following comments about the real meaning and

interpretation of Rig Vedic hymns:

 

"Many scholars have pointed out that an enemy quite frequently smitten in these

hymns is the Dasyu. The Dasyus have been thought by some commentators to

represent the original, non-Vedic-speaking population of the area, expelled by

the incursion of the war like Aryas in their war-chariots. As far as I can see

there is nothing in the Hymns of the Rigveda which demonstrates that the

Vedic-speaking population were intrusive to the area: this comes rather from a

historical assumption about the 'coming' of the Indo-Europeans. It is certainly

true that the gods invoked do aid the Aryas by over-throwing forts, but this

does not in itself establish that the Aryas had no forts themselves. Nor does

the fleetness in battle, provided by horses (who were clearly used primarily

for pulling chariots), in itself suggest that the writers of these hymns were

nomads. Indeed the chariot is not a vehicle especially associated with nomads.

This was clearly a heroic society, glorifying in battle. Some of these hymns,

though repetitive, are very beautiful pieces of poetry, and they are not by

any means all warlike.

 

...When Wheeler speaks of the Aryan invasion of the Land of the Seven Rivers,

the Punjab', he has no warranty at all, so far as I can see. If one checks the

dozen references in the Rigveda to the Seven Rivers, there is nothing in any of

them that to me which implies an invasion: the land of the Seven Rivers is the

land of the Rigveda, the scene of the action. Nothing implies that the Aryas

were strangers there. Nor is it implied that the inhabitants of the walled

cities (including the Dasyus) were any more aboriginal than the Aryas

themselves. Most of the references, indeed, are very general ones such as the

beginning of the Hymn to Indra (Hymn 102 of Book 9)

 

To thee the Mighty One I bring this mighty Hymn,

for thy desire hath been gratified by my praise.

In Indra, yea in him victorious through his strength,

the Gods have joyed at feast, and when the Soma flowed.

 

The Seven Rivers bear his glory far and wide, and heaven and sky and earth

display his comely form.

The Sun and Moon in change alternate run their course

that we, O Indra, may behold and may have faith . . .

 

The Rigveda gives no grounds for believing that the Aryas themselves lacked for

forts, strongholds and citadels. Recent work on the decline of the Indus Valley

civilization shows that it did not have a single, simple cause: certainly there

are no grounds for blaming its demise upon invading hordes. This seems instead

to have been a system collapse, and local movements of people may have followed

it."

 

M.S. Elphinstone (1841): (first governor of Bombay Presidency, 1819-27) in his

magnum opus, History of India, writes:

 

Hindu scripture.... "It is opposed to their (Hindus) foreign origin, that

neither in the Code (of Manu) nor, I believe, in the Vedas, nor in any book

that is certainly older than the code, is there any allusion to a prior

residence or to a knowledge of more than the name of any country out of India.

Even mythology goes no further than the Himalayan chain, in which is fixed the

habitation of the gods...

 

...To say that it spread from a central point is an unwarranted assumption, and

even to analogy; for, emigration and civilization have not spread in a circle,

but from east to west. Where, also, could the central point be, from which a

language could spread over India, Greece, and Italy and yet leave Chaldea,

Syria and Arabia untouched?

 

And, Elphinstone's final verdict:

 

There is no reason whatever for thinking that the Hindus ever inhabitated any

country but their present one, and as little for denying that they may have

done so before the earliest trace of their records or tradition.

 

So what these eminent scholars have concluded based on the archaeological

and literary evidence that there was no invasion by the so-called Aryans, there

was no massacre at Harappan and Mohanjo-dara sites, Aryans were indigenous

people, and the decline of the Indus valley civilization is due to some natural

calamity.

 

4. Presence of Horse at Indus-Saraswati sites

It is argued that the Aryans were horse riding, used chariots for transport,

and since no signs of horse was found at the sites of Harappa and Mohanjo-daro,

the habitants of Indus valley cannot be Aryans. Well, this was the case in the

1930-40 when the excavation of many sites were not completed. Now numerous

excavated sites along Indus valley and along the dried Saraswati river have

produced bones of domesticated horses. Dr. SR Rao, the world renowned scholar

of archeology, informs us that horse bones have been found both from the

'Mature Harappan' and 'Late Harappan' levels. Many other scholars since then

have also unearthed numerous bones of horses: both domesticated and combat

types. This simply debunks the non-Aryan nature of the habitants of the Indus

valley and also identifies the Vedic culture with the Indus valley civilization.

 

5. Origin of Siva-worship

The advocates of AIT argue that the inhabitants of Indus valley were Siva

worshippers and since Siva cult is more prevalent among the South Indian

Dravidians, therefore the habitants of Indus valley were Dravidians. But Shiva

worship is not alien to Vedic culture, and not confined to South India only.

The words Siva and Shambhu are not derived from the Tamil words civa (to

redden, to become angry) and cembu (copper, the red metal), but from the

Sanskrit roots si (therefore meaning "auspicious, gracious, benevolent, helpful

kind") and sam (therefore meaning "being or existing for happiness or welfare,

granting or causing happiness, benevolent, helpful, kind"), and the words are

used in this sense only, right from their very first occurrence.

(Sanskrit- English Dictionary by Sir M. Monier-Williams).

Moreover, most important symbols of Shaivites are located in North India: Kashi

is the most revered and auspicious seat of Shaivism which is in the north, the

traditional holy abode of Shiva is Kailash mountain which is in the far-north,

there are passages in Rigvada which mention Siva and Rudra and consider him an

important deity. Indra himself is called Shiva several times in Rig Veda

(2:20:3, 6:45:17, 8:93:3). So Siva is not a Dravidian god only, and by no

means a non-Vedic god. The proponents of AIT also present terra-cotta lumps

found in the fire-alters at the Harappan and other sites as an evidence of

Shiva linga, implying the Shiva cult was prevalent among the Indus valley

people. But these terra-cotta lumps have been proved to be the measures for

weighing the commodities by the shopkeepers and merchants. Their weights have

been found in perfect integral ratios, in the manner like 1 gm, 2 gms, 5 gms,

10 gms etc. They were not used as the Shiva lingas for worship, but as the

weight measurements.

 

6. Discovery of the Submerged city of Krishna's Dwaraka

The discovery of this city is very significant and a kind of clinching

evidence in discarding the Aryan invasion as well as its proposed date of

1500BC. Its discovery not only establishes the authenticity of Mahabharat war

and the main events described in the epic, but clinches the traditional

antiquity of Mahabharat and Ramayana periods. So far the AIT advocates used to

either dismiss the Mahabharat epic as a fictional work of a highly talented

poet or would place it around 1000 BC. But the remains of this submerged city

along the coast of Gujarat were dated 3000BC to 1500BC. In Mahabharat's Musal

Parva, the Dwarka is mentioned as being gradually swallowed by the ocean.

Krishna had forewarned the residents of Dwaraka to vacate the city before the

sea submerged it. The Sabha Parva gives a detailed account of Krishna's flight

from Mathura with his followers to Dwaraka to escape continuous attacks of

Jarasandh's on Mathura and save the lives of its subjects. For this reason,

Krishna is also known as RANCHHOR (one who runs away from the battle-field).

Dr. SR Rao and his team in 1984-88 (Marine Archaeology Unit) undertook an

extensive search of this city along the coast of Gujarat where the Dwarikadeesh

temple stands now, and finally they succeeded in unearthing the ruins of this

submerged city off the Gujarat coast.

 

7. Saraswati River Discovered

It is well known that in the Rig Veda, the honor of the greatest and the

holiest of rivers was not bestowed upon the Ganga, but upon Saraswati, now a

dry river, but once a mighty flowing river all the way from the Himalayas to

the ocean across the Rajasthan desert. The Ganga is mentioned only once while

the Saraswati is mentioned at least 60 times. Extensive research by the late

Dr. Wakankar has shown that the Saraswati changed her course several times,

going completely dry around 1900 BC. The latest satellite data combined with

field archaeological studies have shown that the Rig Vedic Saraswati had

stopped being a perennial river long before 3000 BC.

 

As Paul-Henri Francfort of CNRS, Paris recently observed, "...we now know,

thanks to the field work of the Indo-French expedition that when the

proto-historic people settled in this area, no large river had flowed there for

a long time."

 

The proto-historic people he refers to are the early Harappans of 3000

BC. But satellite 'photos show that a great prehistoric river that was over 7

kilometers wide did indeed flow through the area at one time. This was the

Saraswati described in the Rig Veda. Numerous archaeological sites have also

been located along the course of this great prehistoric river thereby

confirming Vedic accounts. The great Saraswati that flowed "from the mountain

to the sea" is now seen to belong to a date long an terior to 3000 BC. This

means that the Rig Veda describes the geography of North India long before 3000

BC. All this shows that the Rig Veda must have been in existence no later than

3500 BC. (Aryan Invasion of India: The Myth and the Truth By N.S. Rajaram)

 

River Saraswati IN RIGVEDA

 

The river called Saraswati is the most important of the rivers mentioned in the

Rig Veda. The image of this 'great goddess stream' dominates the text. It is

not only the most sacred river but the Goddess of wisdom. She is said to be the

Mother of the Veda.

 

A few Rig Vedic hymns which mention Saraswati river are presented below:

 

ambitame naditame devitame sarasvati (II.41.16)

(The best mother, the best river, the best Goddess, Saraswati)

 

maho arnah saraswati pra cetayati ketuna dhiyo visva virajati (I.3.12)

(Saraswati like a great ocean appears with her ray, she rules all inspirations)

 

ni tva dadhe vara a prthivya ilayspade sudinatve ahnam: drsadvatyam manuse

apayayam sarasvatyam revad agne didhi (III.23.4)

(We set you down, oh sacred fire, at the most holy place on Earth, in the land

of Ila, in the clear brightness of the days. On the Drishadvati, the Apaya and

the Saraswati rivers, shine out brilliantly for men)

 

citra id raja rajaka id anyake sarasvatim anu; parjanya iva tatanadhi vrstya

sahasram ayuta dadat (VIII.21.18)

(Splendor is the king, all others are princes, who dwell along the Saraswati

river. Like the Rain God extending with rain he grants a thousand times ten

thousand cattle)

 

Saraswati like a bronze city:

ayasi puh; surpassing all other rivers and waters:

visva apo mahina sindhur anyah; pure in her course from the mountains to the

sea: sucir yati girbhya a samudrat (VII.95.1-2)

 

All this indicates that the composers of the Vedic literature were quite

familiar with the Saraswati river, and were inspired by its beauty and its

vasteness that they composed several hymns in her praise and glorification.

This also indicates that the Vedas are much older than Mahabharat period which

mentions Saraswati as a dying river.

 

8. Decipherment of Indus Script

Dr. SR Rao, who has deciphered the Indus script, is an ex-head of

Archaeological Survey of India, a renowned Marine archaeologist, has been

studying archeology since 1948 and has discovered and excavated numerous Indus

sites. He has authored several monumental works on Harappan civilization and

Indus script. To summarize his method of decipherment of Indus script, he

assigned to each Indus basic letter the same sound-value as the West Asian

letter which closely resembled it. After assigning these values to the Indus

letters, he proceeded to try to read the inscriptions on the Indus seals. The

language that emerged turned out to be an "Aryan" one belonging to Sanskrit

family. The people who resided at Harappa, Mohenjo-Daro, and other sites were

culturally Aryan is thus confirmed by the decipherment of the Harappan script

and its identity with Sanskrit family. The Harappa culture was a part of a

continuing evolution of the Vedic culture which had developed on the banks of

Saraswati river. And it should be rightly termed as Vedic-Saraswati

civilization.

 

Among the many words yielded by Dr. Rao's decipherment are the numerals

aeka, tra, chatus, panta, happta/sapta, dasa, dvadasa and sata (1,3,4,5,7,

10,100) and the names of Vedic personalities like Atri, Kasyapa, Gara, Manu,

Sara, Trita, Daksa, Druhu, Kasu, and many common Sanskrit words like, apa

(water), gatha, tar (savior), trika, da, dyau (heaven), dashada, anna (food),

pa(protector), para (supreme), maha, mahat, moks, etc.

 

While the direct connection between the late Indus script (1600 BC) and the

Brahmi script could not be definitely established earlier, more and more

inscriptions have been found all over the country in the last few years, dating

1000 BC, 700 BC, and so on, which have bridged the gap between the two. Now it

is evident that the Brahmi script evolved directly from the Indus script.

(Sources: Decipherment of the Indus Script, Dawn and Development of Indus

Civilization, Lothal and the Indus Civilization, all by S. R. Rao)

 

9. New Archaeological findings

Since the first discovery of buried townships of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro on

the Ravi and Sindhu rivers in 1922, respectively, numerous other settlements,

now number over 2500 stretching from Baluchistan to the Ganga and beyond and

down to Tapti valley, covering nearly a million and half square kilometers,

have been unearthed by various archaeologists. And, the fact which was not

known 70 years ago, but archaeologists now know, is that about 75% of these

settlements are concentrated not along the Sindhu or even the Ganga, but along

the now dried up Saraswati river. This calamity - the drying up of the

Saraswati - and not any invasion was what led to the disruption and abandonment

of the settlements along Saraswati river by the people who lived a Vedic life.

The drying up of the Saraswati river was a catastrophe of the vast magnitude,

which led to a massive outflow of people, especially the elite, went into Iran,

Mesopotamia and other neighboring regions. Around the same time (2000-1900 BC),

there were constant floods or/and prolonged draughts along the Sindhu river and

its tributaries which forced the inhabitants of the Indus valley to move to

other safer and greener locations, and hence a slow but continuous migration of

these highly civilized and prosperous Vedic people took place. Some of them

moved to south east, and some to north west, and even towards European regions.

For the next thousand years and more, dynasties and rulers with Indian names

appear and disappear all over the West Asia confirming the migration of people

from East towards West. There was no destruction of an existing civilization or

invasion by any racial nomads of any kind to cause the destruction or

abandonment of these settlements.

 

10. Chronology of the pre-historic period of India

According to the invasionists, the Indian civilization or the Indus Valley

civilization is only 4000-5000 years old. They place the end of this

civilization around 1900BC, and invasion of Aryans around 1500BC. There is also

no plausible explanation from these invasion advocates for a gap of 400 years

between the end of the Indus Valley civilization (IVC) and the appearance of

Aryans on the Indian scene if Aryans were responsible for the destruction of

the IVC. They propose the period of 1400-1300 BC as the beginning of the Vedic

age when the Vedas were composed and Aryans began to impose their culture and

religion on the indigenous population of the northern India. The Ramayana and

Mahabharat, if considered as real events, must be according to them arbitr-

arily be dated in the period 1200-1000BC. And only after 1000BC, the historic

accounts of empire building, Buddha's birth etc. have to be dated. This

chronology first proposed by Max Muller was primarily based on his firm belief

in the Biblical date of the creation of the world, i.e. October 23, 4004 BC.

Such chronology contradicts all the archaeological evidences, scriptural

testimonies, traditional beliefs, and most importantly defies the commonsense

and scientific method. Therefore, based on Vedic testimonies, Puranic

references, archaeological evidences, and all the accounts presented here

above, the most realistic and accurate chronological events of the pre-historic

period of India should be fixed as follows:

 

*Vedic Age - 7000-4000 BC

*End of Rig Vedic Age - 3750 BC

* End of Ramayana - Mahabharat Period - 3000 BC

*Development of Saraswati-Indus Civilization - 3000-2000 BC

*Decline of Indus and Saraswati Civilization - 2200-1900 BC

*Period of Complete chaos and migration - 2000-1500 BC

*Period of evolution of syncretic Hindu culture - 1400 - 250 BC

 

David Frawley's Paradox

The Harappans of the Indus Valley have left profuse archaeological records

over a vast region - from the borders of Iran and beyond Afghanistan to eastern

UP and Tapti valley, and must have supported over 30 million people and

believed to be living an advanced civilization. And yet these people have left

absolutely no literary records. Sounds incredible! The Vedic Aryans and their

successors on the other hand have left us a literature that is probably the

largest and most profound in the world. But according to the AIT there is

absolutely no archaeological record that they ever existed. Either on the

Indian soil or outside its boundaries. So we have concrete history and

archeology of a vast civilization of 'Dravidians' lasting thousands of years

that left no literature, and a huge literature by the Vedic Aryans who left no

history and no archaeological records. The situation gets more absurd when we

consider that there is profuse archaeological and literary records indicating a

substantial movement of Indian Aryans out of India into Iran and West Asia

around 2000 BC.

So, how can all these obvious anomalies and serious flaws be reconciled? By

accepting the truth that the so-called Aryans were the original people

habitants of the townships along the Indus, Ravi, Saraswati and other rivers of

the vast northern region of the Indian subcontinent. And no invasion by nomadic

hordes from outside India ever occurred and the civilization was not destroyed

but the population simply moved to other areas, and developed a new syncretic

civilization and culture by mutual interaction and exchange of ideas.

The Vedic seers in Vedic literature have proclaimed and practiced the

following all-embracing, catholic, and harmonious principles for a peaceful

coexistence of various communities. How can such people be accused of

annihilater of a civilization, murderer of innocent people, and destroying

large number of cities?

 

ahm bhumimdadamaryam (Rgveda)

Creater declares: I have bestowed this land to Aryas.

 

Kirnvanto Vishwaryam (Rgbeda)

Make the entire world noble.

 

Aa na bhadra katavo yanto vishwatah (Rgveda)

Let noble thoughts come from all sides.

 

Mata Bhumih putro ham prithvyah (Atharv veda)

Earth is my mother, and I am her son.

 

Vasudeva kutumbubakam

The entire universe is one family.

 

Consequences of the Aryan Invasion Theory in Context of India

 

*It serves to divide artificially India into a northern Aryan and southern

Dravidian culture which were made hostile to each other by various interested

parties: A major source of social tension in south Indian states.

 

*It gave an easy excuse to the Britishers to justify their conquest over India

as well as validating the various conquests and mayhems of invading armies of

religious fanatics from Arab lands and central Asia. The argument goes that

they were doing only what Aryan ancestors of the Hindus had previously done

millennia ago to the indigenous population.

 

*As a corollary, the theory makes Vedic culture later than and possibly derived

from Middle Eastern cultures, especially the Greek culture: An absurd

proposition.

 

*Since the identification of Christianity and the Middle Eastern cultures, the

Hindu religion and Indian civilization are considered as a sidelight to the

development of religion and civilization in the west: A deliberate and

dishonest undermining of the antiquity and the greatness of the ancient Indian

culture.

 

*It allows the science of India to be given a Greek basis, as any Vedic basis

was largely disqualified by the primitive nature of the Vedic culture: In fact

the opposite is true.

 

*If the theory of Aryan invasion and its proposed period were true, this

discredited not only the Vedas but the genealogies of the Puranas, and all the

kings mentioned in these scriptures including Lord Krishna, Rama, Buddha etc.

would become as fictional characters with no historical basis: Which simply

means disowning and discarding the very basis and raison de'etre of the Hindu

civilization.

 

*The Mahabharat, instead of being a civil war of global proportion in which all

the main kings of India participated as is described in the epic, would be

dismissed as a local skirmish among petty princes that was later exaggerated by

poets.

 

*In other words, the Aryan Invasion Theory invalidates and discredits the most

Hindu traditions and almost all its vast and rich literary and civilizational

heritage. It turns its scriptures and sages into fantasies and exaggerations.

 

*On the basis of this theory, the propaganda by the Macaulayists was made that

there was nothing great in the Hindu culture and their ancestors and sages. And

most Hindus fell for this devious plan. It made Hindus feel ashamed of their

culture - that its basis was neither historical nor scientific, the Vedas were

the work of nomadic shepherds and not the divine revelations or eternal truth

perceived by the rishis during their spiritual journey, and hence there is

nothing to feel proud about India's past, nothing to be proud of being Hindu.

 

In short such a view and this concocted Aryan Invasion theory by a few

European historians in order to prove the supremacy of Christianity and Western

civilization, served (and still serving) the purpose: 'divide and conquer the

Hindus'.

 

Swami Vivekananda on Aryan Invasion Theory

 

"Our archaeologists' dreams of India being full of dark-eyed aborigines, and

the bright Aryans came from - the Lord knows where. According to some, they

came from Central Tibet; others will have it that they came from Central Asia.

There are patriotic Englishmen who think that the Aryans were all red haired.

Others, according to their idea, think that they were all black-haired. If the

writer happens to be a black-haired man, the Aryans were all black-haired. Of

late, there was an attempt made to prove that the Aryans lived on Swiss lake.

I should not be sorry if they had been all drowned there, theory and all. Some

say now that they lived at the North Pole. Lord bless the Aryans and their

habitations! As for as the truth of these theories, there is notone word in

our scriptures, not one, to prove that the Aryans came from anywhere outside of

India, and in ancient India was included Afghanistan. There it ends..."

 

"And the theory that the Shudra caste were all non-Aryans and they were a

multitude, is equally illogical and irrational. It could not have been possible

in those days that a few Aryans settled and lived there with a hundred thousand

slaves at their command. The slaves would have eaten them up, made chutney of

them in five minutes. The only explanation is to be found in the Mahabharat,

which says that in the beginning of the Satya Yoga there was only one caste,

the Brahmins, and then by differences of occupations they went on dividing

themselves into different castes, and that is the only true and rational

explanation that has been given. And in the coming Satya Yuga all other castes

will have to go back to the same condition."

(The Complete Work of Swami Vivekananda, Vol.III Page 293.)

 

So, What are the facts?

 

Now, based on what has been presented above, following facts about an ancient

and glorious period of India clearly emerge:

 

1. The Aryan Invasion and Racial theories, and Aryan-Dravidian conflicts are a

19th century fabrication by some European scholar. They are being exploited

even now for political reasons.

 

2. The hymns of Rigveda had been composed and completed by 3700BC, this can be

scientifically proved.

 

3. The language of the Indus script is related to Sanskrit, the language of

Vedas.

 

4. The Indus valley civilization should be aptly called as Saraswati Vedic

civilization, as the new evidences and right interpretation of the

archaeological findings indicate.

 

5. There is now strong evidence that the movement of the ancient Aryan people

was from east to west, and this is how the European languages have strong

association and origin in the Vedic Sanskrit language.

 

6. The ending of Indus Valley and the Saraswati civilization was due to the

constant floods and drought in the Indus area and the drying up of the

Saraswati river. This had caused a massive emigration of the habitants to safer

and interior areas of the Indian subcontinent and even towards the west.

 

7. There was no destruction of the civilization in the Indus valley due to any

invasion of any barbaric hordes.

 

8. The Vedic literature has no mention of any invasion or destruction of a

civilization.

 

9. There is no evidence in any of the literature which indicate any

Aryan-Dravidian or North-South divide, they were never culturally hostile to

each other.

 

10. The population living in the Indus valley and surrounding the dried up

Saraswati river practiced the Vedic culture and religion.

 

Most of the material presented above has been taken from the following books.

 

1. The Aryan Invasion Theory and Indian Nationalism (1993)

By Shrikant G. Talageri (Voice of India)

 

2. The Astronomical Code of India (1992)

By Subhash Kak

 

3. Vedic Aryans and the Origins of Civilization (1995)

By N.S. Rajaram and David Frawley (World Heritage Press)

 

4. Aryan Invasion of India: The Myth and the Truth

By N.S. Rajaram (Voice of India Publication)

 

5. Indigenous Indians: Agastya to Ambedkar (1993)

By Koenraad Elst

 

6. New Light on The Aryan Problem: Manthan Oct. 1994 (Journal of Deendayal

Research Institute)

 

7. Dawn and Development of the Indus Civilization (1991)

By S.R. Rao (Aditya Prakashan)

 

 

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I never said Aryans came from Iran. I just said they didn't come from neither Iran NOR India.

 

Now onto the posted article:

 

It's long and I read through most of it! /images/graemlins/smile.gif But it has certain flaws in it.

 

For one it claims Iranians separated from Indians and moved to Iran. This is by far a colorful sentence already refuted by me in the previous posts.

 

It forgets to mention Hinduism was created way after the migration and hence can not influence Iran. The gods in Hinduism are a mixture of Dravidian and Arayn cultures.

 

Finally, Iran like India is a multi-cultural and racial nation and have suffered from foreign forces.

 

But we are united and will always stay united. Indians should also remind themselves that a person's lineage makes no difference to their love for their country.

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Actually, the Parsis (iranians) have references in the Avesta to sixteen lands thru which they emigated. The 1st is Aryanam Vaejo (Aryavarta, interior India). The 2nd is Hapta Hendu (Sapat Sindhu). It is enoughto point out that they retreated back into india after their adventure was interrupted by the Semitics.

 

India corresponds as one of the thre great civilzations from which all appreciable influnces have radiated out, the others being, egypto-semitic and Chinese river basin.. Whatever influences came in were absrbed into the established culture and were hardly in a position to dictate origin of these cultures.

 

Vedas laud the Saraswati River which we know was a centerpiece of the IVC (SSVC, Saraswati Sindhu Vally Civ). It is only in the Works After Mahabharat that mention is made of Saraswati Drying up - This event happened in 2000BC acording to archaeo-geologic evidence. Mahabharata has references to Balrama's pilgrimage journey from Indraprastha to Dwarka in Gujurat via Saraswati River.

 

BAsically we are seeing evidence of radition out of India into the northern reaches. Kazakstan is the backyard of SSVC.

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in reply to

"It forgets to mention Hinduism was created way after the migration and hence can not influence Iran. The gods in Hinduism are a mixture of Dravidian and Arayn cultures."

 

Let me mention that Hinduism was never created. It was a way of life. The hinduism (i repeat, a way of life) that existed during the migration (from the Indus/Saraswati valleys) was somewhat like the rules of a decent civilised society and not a religon. it was much later (around 1000B.C) that hinduism started becoming centered on rituals and got too complicated for the comman man, and took on the forms of a religion.

 

Iran was influenced by the original hinduism and not the later religious form of it. In reply to the opinion that Hinduism was a mix of Aryan and Dravidian cultures and gods, I must reiterate what Dinesh Agarwal has said- there are no separate Aryan and Dravidian cultures. The differences between the north and south indians can be attributed to the different climate and such differences are natural given the size of India.

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Let us not forget the first use of the word Aryan is from Rigveda. The race of Aryans clearly originated in India and the purest of Aryans live in India.

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Most Agarwals are honest people but not this one. The truth is most Indians belong to the Aryan Race whether in the South North East or West. Colour changes due to sunlight.

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No doubt the aryans orginiated in India and no mixing occurred with any race on even a small acale. The purest aryans live in India.

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Mystery of the mummies

By Ellen O'Brien

INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

 

 

Four thousand years ago, a community lived in the Tarim Basin -- in what is now the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China -- in the heart of Asia.

 

The Tarim Basin people thrived there for at least 1,500 years. There are indications that they survived as a culture even into the second century.

 

Then they disappeared.

 

Now their remains are being reclaimed from the sands, and the people of that extinct nation are challenging scientists and scholars to fathom who they may have been, and -- if an answer can be found -- where, in prehistory, they came from.

 

According to sweeping physical evidence, they were not Chinese. They were not even Asian.

 

They were Caucasian.

 

For Victor Mair, a specialist in Chinese language and literature at the University of Pennsylvania, the naturally mummified bodies unearthed in the basin's Taklimakan Desert have become a passion.

 

"The question is whether these people were there for a long, long time, or whether they migrated in from somewhere else," he said.

 

Where did they come from, and why?

 

Those questions also possess Dolkun Kamberi, a Uygur archaeologist who grew up in the region and has recovered several of the preserved corpses.

 

Kamberi grew up hearing folk stories about non-Chinese people who had settled the region in some unrecorded time, and about foreign archaeologists who had found grave sites in the province during the last century.

 

As a native Uygur, he has medium brown hair and non-Asian features; he believes the Tarim Basin people's history is his history.

 

Some scholars believe the Tarim Basin people probably migrated through central Eurasia to the land that, centuries later, became known as the southern leg of the famous Silk Route linking East and West.

 

Learn more about the Silk Road

 

But Kamberi believes the Tarim Basin people existed as a tribe in the region from time-before-time; he has discovered a single piece of human skull in the mountains near there that dates back a half-million years, he said.

 

"We can't say anything about its ethnic background," Kamberi said of the skull fragment."But at least it gives us evidence that 500,000 years ago there were people there."

 

Learning who the Tarim Basin's inhabitants might have been, he said, is "very important for writing Asian history, and world history. In my opinion, without that region, there would be no Asian history."

 

For the last two years, Mair has been organizing an international conference on the Tarim Basin people. It will run from Friday through Sunday at the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, hosting scholars from Europe, Asia and the United States. The Sunday afternoon session is open to the public.

 

"I think it's premature to draw hard-and-fast conclusions as to who these people were, and what language they spoke . . . ," Mair said."Why I'm running this conference is to get as many people as I can . . . to come in and lay it all out."

 

Still, Mair -- who saw the original collection of mummified corpses in 1987, at the region's provincial museum -- will never forget his own haunting first impression of them.

 

The bodies, recovered from graveyards long overblown with sand, were exceptionally preserved by the dry climate and the salt deposits in which they had been buried.

 

"I was thunderstruck. . . . I just stood there for a couple of hours. I almost thought it was some kind of hoax," he said."All of their bodies were completely intact. They just looked so alive."

 

And with features so stunningly non-Asian.

 

They were clearly the remains of a Caucasoid people, with dark blond or yellowish-brown hair, deep-set eyes, and long limbs.

 

Among the corpses Mair saw that day were the mummies of a man and woman from a joint grave and an infant that had been buried nearby. All three had been discovered about 10 years earlier, by Kamberi and his colleagues.

 

Compare with the Egyptian Mummy of King Ramsses II

 

"So far, 100 bodies have been excavated . . . ," Kamberi said."I believe that in the next 100 years, the land of Central Asia will become an archaeologist's dream land."

 

In fact, archaeologists have unearthed at least 1,000 more skeletons in the region, and countless sites remain unexcavated throughout the shifting desert sands, Kamberi said: The provincial government does not have enough money to house and protect all the ancient remains.

 

In one grave, excavators discovered a saddle cover and a pair of trousers"with human on one leg -- one face had blue eyes," Kamberi said."On the other leg was a horse's body, with a human hat. It's some mystery we can find in the Greek mysteries -- a Greek tale.

 

"All of them worshiped the sun. . . . We cannot tell if they worshiped the horse," he said."But they buried the horse -- not the whole horse each time, but the skull and a leg." Archaeologists don't know what that ritual symbolized.

 

The early Tarim Basin people tended sheep and cattle and horses, practiced some form of farming, and wove intricately designed cloth from their sheep's wool. They dyed the woolen strands brilliant colors; they stamped careful patterns on the woolen felt they made by hand.

 

They used wheels. They erected round houses and culled river reeds for house-thatch.

 

They may have worshiped the bull as well as the sun.

 

And they buried their dead with ritual and tenderness. The infant recovered by Kamberi had been buried with a leather "bottle" attached to a sheep's teat. Both the man and woman had been adorned on their faces with ochre symbols that archaeologists believe represented the sun.

 

In some graves, Mongoloid and Caucasoid bodies were buried side-by-side. Other graves contained petrified rack of lamb -- complete with barbecue skewers. And in clothes materials, Mair said, some weaving techniques appear to be "so Celtic, it's mind-boggling."

 

"What I'm not going to do is say what I think," Mair said of the three-day conference, which will include ancient-textile specialists and linguists as well as genetic scientists and scholars.

 

"I consciously sought out people who have differing opinions. I don't want any gospel statements," he said.

 

That attitude is probably the safest Mair could adopt: The ancient nation of the Tarim Basin is wrapped as much in controversy as it is in mystery.

 

Writing about the desert excavation in the March issue of National Geographic magazine, Thomas B. Allen describes a Chinese government official pocketing a shard of pottery that contained a thumbprint -- and never mentioning the piece again -- after Allen indicated that an American forensic anthropologist might be able to determine from the print"if the potter was a white man."

 

In an article Mair wrote for Archaeology magazine last year, he, himself, says: "The new finds are also forcing a reexamination of old Chinese books that describe historical or legendary figures of great height, with deep-set blue or green eyes, long noses, full beards, and red or blond hair. Scholars have traditionally scoffed at these accounts, but it now seems that they may be accurate."

 

Even the language that the Basin people may have spoken is in dispute. Did it come from Turkic roots -- which is the language of the Uygurs who have occupied the region for centuries -- or from Indo-European roots?

 

In Archaeology, Mair writes of the mummies: "Judging from their physical appearance, which ranges from Chinese-looking Mongoloids to European- and Afghano-Persian-looking Caucasoids, substantial elements of the original population were absorbed by the Uygurs." As that happened, did the language of the earlier people die?

 

Compare with Egyptian Mummies

 

The nation of 16 million Uygurs, who have lived in the region for 12 centuries, know that their first settlements absorbed an earlier group -- the Tocharians.

 

The Tocharians spoke a language that was closer to German and Celtic than to less-distant Indo-Europeans.

 

But beyond that, much of the Uygurs' history has been shrouded in folk tales and legends.

 

In Chinese, Xinjiang means"new territory." Since the 1950s, about 6 million ethnic Chinese, known as Han, have settled in the Xinjiang Uygur region.

 

As an archaeologist, Kamberi feels compelled to unearth, literally, some knowledge of his Uygur ancestors -- before the Uygur culture is swallowed up completely by the Han Chinese culture.

 

Mair became besotted with Asia as a Peace Corps volunteer in the mid-'60s; he has since become an expert in early Chinese vernacular manuscripts, and is editor of the Columbia Anthology of Traditional Chinese Literature.

 

He invited Kamberi, who has taught at Columbia University and worked as special consultant to the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, to spend a year at Penn as a visiting scholar, and to help organize the weekend conference.

 

For both men, the conference is a collaboration driven by a sense of duty -- as well as an opportunity to reach beyond academia-laden seminar debates and establish the world-wide importance of the Tarim Basin excavations.

 

Mair obtained permission from the Chinese government in 1993 to bring the Italian geneticist Paolo Francalucci with him into the Tarim Basin's archaeological fields.

 

He speaks carefully about the research there. The Chinese government is scrupulous in overseeing its interests.

 

But the questions that revolve around the Tarim Basin people are rippling outward, beyond the desert- and-mountain region where they originated, in a widening reach.

 

Did these people emigrate to Asia in the cloudy period before the beginnings of what we call history? How far had they wandered? From southern Russia? From the Ukrainian steppes? From Iran? From Turkey? What links did they have to the Europeans so far to the west?

 

Mair may not propound his own theories in public with a hammer or a drum. But surely, he has theories, and they have been simmering for years.

 

He became determined to hunt down the Tarim Basin people's history in the early 1990s, after the frozen 4,000-year-old body of a man was found preserved in the Alps on the Austria-Italy border. That well-publicized discovery was just up the mountainside from the Austrian village where his grandfather had been born.

 

When Mair speaks at the conference on Sunday, he said, he plans to bring with him, for display, three felt caps.

 

One is from a village in southern China. Another is from his grandfather's Austrian village. The third is from the Tarim Basin.

 

All three are identical, he said.

 

 

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This race is Indian in orgin. Read Rigveda, Bhagwad Gita, Ramayana.

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It has nothing to do with skin color.

 

In the presence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Arjuna's lamentation for his kinsmen is certainly unbecoming, and therefore Krsna expressed His surprise with the word kutas, "wherefrom." Such unmanly sentiments were never expected from a person belonging to the civilized class of men known as Aryans. The word Aryan is applicable to persons who know the value of life and have a civilization based on spiritual realization. Persons who are led by the material conception of life do not know that the aim of life is realization of the Absolute Truth, Visnu, or Bhagavan, and they are captivated by the external features of the material world, and therefore they do not know what liberation is. Persons who have no knowledge of liberation from material bondage are called non-Aryans.

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Even though race is not an issue, let's not delude ourselves by believing that North India was not influenced by Eurasian migration into India. The indigenous Indians/Arya were dark skinned like Krishna and Shiva. Most North Indians, are still very dark skinned, despite some foreign influenc. The fair skinned population are a minority, even today. Just type "Delhi Metro" in Google image search, and you'll see a mainly dark skinned population.

 

What does this mean? It means that the vast majority of modern Indians are Arya. Not only that but they are the ancestor of Indus Valley Civilization. However, IVC was most likely not Indo-European, since many have been trying to prove this for years. Most neutral scholars are saying that IVC is most likely Dravidian.

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There is no such ethnicity as Indain. Indian is niether an ethnnic group nor culture. Indian is a nationality. If there is an ethnic culture of the majority of the people in India it is the 'ARYAN' culture. Being from the south (Dravid) Does not constitute to a different ethnic culture. The people of south are also of the deme 'ARYAN' since they too like the notherners are Vedic folowers. A simple question to those babARIANS who do not have any philosophical history and wants to adapt the 'ARYAVRATH VEDIK PHILOSOPHY; Do East Germany and West Germany have different ethnic groups of people? Do people from France differ from people from England that they are NOT considered Europeans? Please enlighten me, and one more thing.....People in western civilisation notoriously claim that Celtic language and Sanskrit are derived from the same source. They claim without evidence that Sanskrit and Celtic are similar and many words are identical. Not only do they articulate that the Tocharians were Europeans who went all the way to China, but they also say the Europeans who were known as Aryans invaded India. They bluntley say that 'IRELAND' is derived from ARYALAND.

 

I don't know about the western archeological opinions, because I have yet to find similarities between Sanskrit and Celtic language. Just because the Europeans adapted new words to their language, like modern English, don't you think that the speakers of Celtic languages did the same. Why do these people assume that Europeans are the ones who ventured to other parts, when it is equally possible that Aryans of Aryavrath could have invaded the Europeans Tribes.

 

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You guys are saying that most Indians belong to the pure Aryan race. But, I'm confused. What is exactly the "Aryan" race? I thought Aryan meant noble. Are you referring to the White Nationalist definition of Aryan, as being descendents of Western Christendom (aka white people)? Are you saying Indians are whites, or "dark-skinned Caucasians?"

 

 

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that Aryans were the people with Vedic culture, and that these people originated in India (so yeah, they were dark skinned and not at all Hitler's model of an Aryan).

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Forget it all you all are wrong

The Aryans are from Oxus River they started to invade other countries or lands and they killed so many Indians and Europeans and the same people over the time they again and again attacked the Indian but in different names (First Aryans or (Arians, Aria Ariana Aryana), Achæmenian, Bactricain, Fars, Zarathustra, Cyrus, Parthian, Adghanies,Sassanian,Sistanians,Seleucid,Bactro,Qandaharis Seljuks,Ghaznavids,Ghurids(Ghor), Qandaharis, Kandahara, Pathans, Moguls, Hotakis,Iranians,and last the Durranis) really if you all study history these all names can be applied to one nation, and that nation got its name in 3 BC, but in 1647 we called them by that same name again, and in 1747 it became a country, that country is Afghanistan. The entire above names related to Afghanistan, and off course there was no Afghanistan it was called Khorashan, Bactrian (Bulkh), Sistan, Arana, Adgan, Kandhara, Turkistan (which has nothing to do with European Turkey, infect the modern Turkey people are believed to be from Turkistan.) And these people are Aryan they have always acted the same way forget about the rest of the world every time they Invaded THE GREAT INDIA, they always looted its richness, brooked down temples, culture, killed and raped our people by millions and millions, and made us slaves, and we bravely pushed them back from time to time. After their Attack to India they again attacked over and over again. These Aryans are now called Persians and Medes, both Medes and Persians are Aryans; the Aryans who settled in the North and south-eastern part of the persian plateau (now Afghanistan) became to known as Persians, while those of the mountain regions of the north-west were called Medes (now almost all of Middle East). The Medes were at first the leading nation, but towards the middle of the sixth century, B.C. the Persians became the dominant power, not only in Iran and Afghanistan, but also in Western Asia (Turkey, Jorden , Egypt ,Syria ,Iraq). What we now call Persia is not identical with the ancient empire designated by that name. That empire covered, from the sixth century B.C. to the seventh, such vast regions as Persia proper, Media, Elam, Chaldea, Babylonia, Assyria, Kabuli, the highlands of Armenia and Bactriana (Balkh),Kandahara, Aria (Herat),Samarqand. The term Persian, as applied both to the people and their language, has now a wider significance than it originally bore. Therefore the real Persians are Iran and Afghanistan. The Aryan civilization started from Oxus River now call Amu River, spreads all over much of Afghanistan and their capital were Aria now called Herat. Therefore the real Aryans are Afghans. So you see that it all came back to Afghanistan, In fact Alexander the great reached Afghanistan he send a latter to his Mother stating that “Mother you have given a birth to one Alexander here in Adghan land everybody is Alexander” so he had no choice but to join together and fight the Indians at times when India was a “super power”. Now it’s the same Nation Afghanistan that attacked India over

 

And over time, they are the worst people in this planet, because of them and their Continuous attacks and their Rules in our soil we accepted the British Rule.

And We should not be Proud of that Aryans came in northern India and raped our women, and that’s why we have a little light skin and therefore we should be proud of it because we are closer to Persians NO! NO! Let the Pakistanis be proud of it, and by the way the occupied some parts of Persian land which the British occupied and later was given to Pakistan. So basically divide Pakistan in half, Everything East of Indus River are “Indian Land” and everything West of Indus River are the “Persian land”. Considering between the two continent (East Pakistan, west Pakistan). The total population of Pakistan is 150 million west of Indus River is 16 million and east of Indus are the rest 134 million WOW!!! Balochistan’s population is 5.5 million and North-West Frontier Province is 10.5 million. Well considering the Real Afghans in Pakistan have never called themselves Afghans, they have always called themselves Afghans or “Pathan”

They always wanted to join the Afghans. In fact the two countries almost went to war But Pakistan was heavily backed by the British so Afghanistan couldn’t do anything. Till This Day Pakistan has problems within his own Country they (Pakis) worry that they are going to lose the land sometimes in the future because they are not “Pakis” they like their own people over the years Pakistanis are killed when they went to (NWFP) and so Pakistanis are scared to go alone they have to have Military protection this proves that Afghans are Violent, greedy, selfish, same as Aryans.

 

 

 

If anybody has any question email me at nquras@

[Guest guest]

Forget it all you all are wrong

The Aryans are from Oxus River they started to invade other countries or lands and they killed so many Indians and Europeans and the same people over the time they again and again attacked the Indian but in different names (First Aryans or (Arians, Aria Ariana Aryana), Achæmenian, Bactricain, Fars, Zarathustra, Cyrus, Parthian, Adghanies,Sassanian,Sistanians,Seleucid,Bactro,Qandaharis Seljuks,Ghaznavids,Ghurids(Ghor), Qandaharis, Kandahara, Pathans, Moguls, Hotakis,Iranians,and last the Durranis) really if you all study history these all names can be applied to one nation, and that nation got its name in 3 BC, but in 1647 we called them by that same name again, and in 1747 it became a country, that country is Afghanistan. The entire above names related to Afghanistan, and off course there was no Afghanistan it was called Khorashan, Bactrian (Bulkh), Sistan, Arana, Adgan, Kandhara, Turkistan (which has nothing to do with European Turkey, infect the modern Turkey people are believed to be from Turkistan.) And these people are Aryan they have always acted the same way forget about the rest of the world every time they Invaded THE GREAT INDIA, they always looted its richness, brooked down temples, culture, killed and raped our people by millions and millions, and made us slaves, and we bravely pushed them back from time to time. After their Attack to India they again attacked over and over again. These Aryans are now called Persians and Medes, both Medes and Persians are Aryans; the Aryans who settled in the North and south-eastern part of the persian plateau (now Afghanistan) became to known as Persians, while those of the mountain regions of the north-west were called Medes (now almost all of Middle East). The Medes were at first the leading nation, but towards the middle of the sixth century, B.C. the Persians became the dominant power, not only in Iran and Afghanistan, but also in Western Asia (Turkey, Jorden , Egypt ,Syria ,Iraq). What we now call Persia is not identical with the ancient empire designated by that name. That empire covered, from the sixth century B.C. to the seventh, such vast regions as Persia proper, Media, Elam, Chaldea, Babylonia, Assyria, Kabuli, the highlands of Armenia and Bactriana (Balkh),Kandahara, Aria (Herat),Samarqand. The term Persian, as applied both to the people and their language, has now a wider significance than it originally bore. Therefore the real Persians are Iran and Afghanistan. The Aryan civilization started from Oxus River now call Amu River, spreads all over much of Afghanistan and their capital were Aria now called Herat. Therefore the real Aryans are Afghans. So you see that it all came back to Afghanistan, In fact Alexander the great reached Afghanistan he send a latter to his Mother stating that “Mother you have given a birth to one Alexander here in Adghan land everybody is Alexander” so he had no choice but to join together and fight the Indians at times when India was a “super power”. Now it’s the same Nation Afghanistan that attacked India over

 

And over time, they are the worst people in this planet, because of them and their Continuous attacks and their Rules in our soil we accepted the British Rule.

And We should not be Proud of that Aryans came in northern India and raped our women, and that’s why we have a little light skin and therefore we should be proud of it because we are closer to Persians NO! NO! Let the Pakistanis be proud of it, and by the way the occupied some parts of Persian land which the British occupied and later was given to Pakistan. So basically divide Pakistan in half, Everything East of Indus River are “Indian Land” and everything West of Indus River are the “Persian land”. Considering between the two continent (East Pakistan, west Pakistan). The total population of Pakistan is 150 million west of Indus River is 16 million and east of Indus are the rest 134 million WOW!!! Balochistan’s population is 5.5 million and North-West Frontier Province is 10.5 million. Well considering the Real Afghans in Pakistan have never called themselves Afghans, they have always called themselves Afghans or “Pathan”

They always wanted to join the Afghans. In fact the two countries almost went to war But Pakistan was heavily backed by the British so Afghanistan couldn’t do anything. Till This Day Pakistan has problems within his own Country they (Pakis) worry that they are going to lose the land sometimes in the future because they are not “Pakis” they like their own people over the years Pakistanis are killed when they went to (NWFP) and so Pakistanis are scared to go alone they have to have Military protection this proves that Afghans are Violent, greedy, selfish, same as Aryans.

 

[Guest guest]

Forget it all you all are wrong

The Aryans are from Oxus River they started to invade other countries or lands and they killed so many Indians and Europeans and the same people over the time they again and again attacked the Indian but in different names (First Aryans or (Arians, Aria Ariana Aryana), Achæmenian, Bactricain, Fars, Zarathustra, Cyrus, Parthian, Adghanies,Sassanian,Sistanians,Seleucid,Bactro,Qandaharis Seljuks,Ghaznavids,Ghurids(Ghor), Qandaharis, Kandahara, Pathans, Moguls, Hotakis,Iranians,and last the Durranis) really if you all study history these all names can be applied to one nation, and that nation got its name in 3 BC, but in 1647 we called them by that same name again, and in 1747 it became a country, that country is Afghanistan. The entire above names related to Afghanistan, and off course there was no Afghanistan it was called Khorashan, Bactrian (Bulkh), Sistan, Arana, Adgan, Kandhara, Turkistan (which has nothing to do with European Turkey, infect the modern Turkey people are believed to be from Turkistan.) And these people are Aryan they have always acted the same way forget about the rest of the world every time they Invaded THE GREAT INDIA, they always looted its richness, brooked down temples, culture, killed and raped our people by millions and millions, and made us slaves, and we bravely pushed them back from time to time. After their Attack to India they again attacked over and over again. These Aryans are now called Persians and Medes, both Medes and Persians are Aryans; the Aryans who settled in the North and south-eastern part of the persian plateau (now Afghanistan) became to known as Persians, while those of the mountain regions of the north-west were called Medes (now almost all of Middle East). The Medes were at first the leading nation, but towards the middle of the sixth century, B.C. the Persians became the dominant power, not only in Iran and Afghanistan, but also in Western Asia (Turkey, Jorden , Egypt ,Syria ,Iraq). What we now call Persia is not identical with the ancient empire designated by that name. That empire covered, from the sixth century B.C. to the seventh, such vast regions as Persia proper, Media, Elam, Chaldea, Babylonia, Assyria, Kabuli, the highlands of Armenia and Bactriana (Balkh),Kandahara, Aria (Herat),Samarqand. The term Persian, as applied both to the people and their language, has now a wider significance than it originally bore. Therefore the real Persians are Iran and Afghanistan. The Aryan civilization started from Oxus River now call Amu River, spreads all over much of Afghanistan and their capital were Aria now called Herat. Therefore the real Aryans are Afghans. So you see that it all came back to Afghanistan, In fact Alexander the great reached Afghanistan he send a latter to his Mother stating that “Mother you have given a birth to one Alexander here in Adghan land everybody is Alexander” so he had no choice but to join together and fight the Indians at times when India was a “super power”. Now it’s the same Nation Afghanistan that attacked India over

 

And over time, they are the worst people in this planet, because of them and their Continuous attacks and their Rules in our soil we accepted the British Rule.

And We should not be Proud of that Aryans came in northern India and raped our women, and that’s why we have a little light skin and therefore we should be proud of it because we are closer to Persians NO! NO! Let the Pakistanis be proud of it, and by the way the occupied some parts of Persian land which the British occupied and later was given to Pakistan. So basically divide Pakistan in half, Everything East of Indus River are “Indian Land” and everything West of Indus River are the “Persian land”. Considering between the two continent (East Pakistan, west Pakistan). The total population of Pakistan is 150 million west of Indus River is 16 million and east of Indus are the rest 134 million WOW!!! Balochistan’s population is 5.5 million and North-West Frontier Province is 10.5 million. Well considering the Real Afghans in Pakistan have never called themselves Afghans, they have always called themselves Afghans or “Pathan”

They always wanted to join the Afghans. In fact the two countries almost went to war But Pakistan was heavily backed by the British so Afghanistan couldn’t do anything. Till This Day Pakistan has problems within his own Country they (Pakis) worry that they are going to lose the land sometimes in the future because they are not “Pakis” they like their own people over the years Pakistanis are killed when they went to (NWFP) and so Pakistanis are scared to go alone they have to have Military protection this proves that Afghans are Violent, greedy, selfish, same as Aryans.

 

[Guest guest]

Forget it all you all are wrong

The Aryans are from Oxus River they started to invade other countries or lands and they killed so many Indians and Europeans and the same people over the time they again and again attacked the Indian but in different names (First Aryans or (Arians, Aria Ariana Aryana), Achæmenian, Bactricain, Fars, Zarathustra, Cyrus, Parthian, Adghanies,Sassanian,Sistanians,Seleucid,Bactro,Qandaharis Seljuks,Ghaznavids,Ghurids(Ghor), Qandaharis, Kandahara, Pathans, Moguls, Hotakis,Iranians,and last the Durranis) really if you all study history these all names can be applied to one nation, and that nation got its name in 3 BC, but in 1647 we called them by that same name again, and in 1747 it became a country, that country is Afghanistan. The entire above names related to Afghanistan, and off course there was no Afghanistan it was called Khorashan, Bactrian (Bulkh), Sistan, Arana, Adgan, Kandhara, Turkistan (which has nothing to do with European Turkey, infect the modern Turkey people are believed to be from Turkistan.) And these people are Aryan they have always acted the same way forget about the rest of the world every time they Invaded THE GREAT INDIA, they always looted its richness, brooked down temples, culture, killed and raped our people by millions and millions, and made us slaves, and we bravely pushed them back from time to time. After their Attack to India they again attacked over and over again. These Aryans are now called Persians and Medes, both Medes and Persians are Aryans; the Aryans who settled in the North and south-eastern part of the persian plateau (now Afghanistan) became to known as Persians, while those of the mountain regions of the north-west were called Medes (now almost all of Middle East). The Medes were at first the leading nation, but towards the middle of the sixth century, B.C. the Persians became the dominant power, not only in Iran and Afghanistan, but also in Western Asia (Turkey, Jorden , Egypt ,Syria ,Iraq). What we now call Persia is not identical with the ancient empire designated by that name. That empire covered, from the sixth century B.C. to the seventh, such vast regions as Persia proper, Media, Elam, Chaldea, Babylonia, Assyria, Kabuli, the highlands of Armenia and Bactriana (Balkh),Kandahara, Aria (Herat),Samarqand. The term Persian, as applied both to the people and their language, has now a wider significance than it originally bore. Therefore the real Persians are Iran and Afghanistan. The Aryan civilization started from Oxus River now call Amu River, spreads all over much of Afghanistan and their capital were Aria now called Herat. Therefore the real Aryans are Afghans. So you see that it all came back to Afghanistan, In fact Alexander the great reached Afghanistan he send a latter to his Mother stating that “Mother you have given a birth to one Alexander here in Adghan land everybody is Alexander” so he had no choice but to join together and fight the Indians at times when India was a “super power”. Now it’s the same Nation Afghanistan that attacked India over

 

And over time, they are the worst people in this planet, because of them and their Continuous attacks and their Rules in our soil we accepted the British Rule.

And We should not be Proud of that Aryans came in northern India and raped our women, and that’s why we have a little light skin and therefore we should be proud of it because we are closer to Persians NO! NO! Let the Pakistanis be proud of it, and by the way the occupied some parts of Persian land which the British occupied and later was given to Pakistan. So basically divide Pakistan in half, Everything East of Indus River are “Indian Land” and everything West of Indus River are the “Persian land”. Considering between the two continent (East Pakistan, west Pakistan). The total population of Pakistan is 150 million west of Indus River is 16 million and east of Indus are the rest 134 million WOW!!! Balochistan’s population is 5.5 million and North-West Frontier Province is 10.5 million. Well considering the Real Afghans in Pakistan have never called themselves Afghans, they have always called themselves Afghans or “Pathan”

They always wanted to join the Afghans. In fact the two countries almost went to war But Pakistan was heavily backed by the British so Afghanistan couldn’t do anything. Till This Day Pakistan has problems within his own Country they (Pakis) worry that they are going to lose the land sometimes in the future because they are not “Pakis” they like their own people over the years Pakistanis are killed when they went to (NWFP) and so Pakistanis are scared to go alone they have to have Military protection this proves that Afghans are Violent, greedy, selfish, same as Aryans.

 

[Guest guest]

Forget it all you all are wrong

The Aryans are from Oxus River they started to invade other countries or lands and they killed so many Indians and Europeans and the same people over the time they again and again attacked the Indian but in different names (First Aryans or (Arians, Aria Ariana Aryana), Achæmenian, Bactricain, Fars, Zarathustra, Cyrus, Parthian, Adghanies,Sassanian,Sistanians,Seleucid,Bactro,Qandaharis Seljuks,Ghaznavids,Ghurids(Ghor), Qandaharis, Kandahara, Pathans, Moguls, Hotakis,Iranians,and last the Durranis) really if you all study history these all names can be applied to one nation, and that nation got its name in 3 BC, but in 1647 we called them by that same name again, and in 1747 it became a country, that country is Afghanistan. The entire above names related to Afghanistan, and off course there was no Afghanistan it was called Khorashan, Bactrian (Bulkh), Sistan, Arana, Adgan, Kandhara, Turkistan (which has nothing to do with European Turkey, infect the modern Turkey people are believed to be from Turkistan.) And these people are Aryan they have always acted the same way forget about the rest of the world every time they Invaded THE GREAT INDIA, they always looted its richness, brooked down temples, culture, killed and raped our people by millions and millions, and made us slaves, and we bravely pushed them back from time to time. After their Attack to India they again attacked over and over again. These Aryans are now called Persians and Medes, both Medes and Persians are Aryans; the Aryans who settled in the North and south-eastern part of the persian plateau (now Afghanistan) became to known as Persians, while those of the mountain regions of the north-west were called Medes (now almost all of Middle East). The Medes were at first the leading nation, but towards the middle of the sixth century, B.C. the Persians became the dominant power, not only in Iran and Afghanistan, but also in Western Asia (Turkey, Jorden , Egypt ,Syria ,Iraq). What we now call Persia is not identical with the ancient empire designated by that name. That empire covered, from the sixth century B.C. to the seventh, such vast regions as Persia proper, Media, Elam, Chaldea, Babylonia, Assyria, Kabuli, the highlands of Armenia and Bactriana (Balkh),Kandahara, Aria (Herat),Samarqand. The term Persian, as applied both to the people and their language, has now a wider significance than it originally bore. Therefore the real Persians are Iran and Afghanistan. The Aryan civilization started from Oxus River now call Amu River, spreads all over much of Afghanistan and their capital were Aria now called Herat. Therefore the real Aryans are Afghans. So you see that it all came back to Afghanistan, In fact Alexander the great reached Afghanistan he send a latter to his Mother stating that “Mother you have given a birth to one Alexander here in Adghan land everybody is Alexander” so he had no choice but to join together and fight the Indians at times when India was a “super power”. Now it’s the same Nation Afghanistan that attacked India over

 

And over time, they are the worst people in this planet, because of them and their Continuous attacks and their Rules in our soil we accepted the British Rule.

And We should not be Proud of that Aryans came in northern India and raped our women, and that’s why we have a little light skin and therefore we should be proud of it because we are closer to Persians NO! NO! Let the Pakistanis be proud of it, and by the way the occupied some parts of Persian land which the British occupied and later was given to Pakistan. So basically divide Pakistan in half, Everything East of Indus River are “Indian Land” and everything West of Indus River are the “Persian land”. Considering between the two continent (East Pakistan, west Pakistan). The total population of Pakistan is 150 million west of Indus River is 16 million and east of Indus are the rest 134 million WOW!!! Balochistan’s population is 5.5 million and North-West Frontier Province is 10.5 million. Well considering the Real Afghans in Pakistan have never called themselves Afghans, they have always called themselves Afghans or “Pathan”

They always wanted to join the Afghans. In fact the two countries almost went to war But Pakistan was heavily backed by the British so Afghanistan couldn’t do anything. Till This Day Pakistan has problems within his own Country they (Pakis) worry that they are going to lose the land sometimes in the future because they are not “Pakis” they like their own people over the years Pakistanis are killed when they went to (NWFP) and so Pakistanis are scared to go alone they have to have Military protection this proves that Afghans are Violent, greedy, selfish, same as Aryans.

 

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Forget it all you all are wrong

The Aryans are from Oxus River they started to invade other countries or lands and they killed so many Indians and Europeans and the same people over the time they again and again attacked the Indian but in different names (First Aryans or (Arians, Aria Ariana Aryana), Achæmenian, Bactricain, Fars, Zarathustra, Cyrus, Parthian, Adghanies,Sassanian,Sistanians,Seleucid,Bactro,Qandaharis Seljuks,Ghaznavids,Ghurids(Ghor), Qandaharis, Kandahara, Pathans, Moguls, Hotakis,Iranians,and last the Durranis) really if you all study history these all names can be applied to one nation, and that nation got its name in 3 BC, but in 1647 we called them by that same name again, and in 1747 it became a country, that country is Afghanistan. The entire above names related to Afghanistan, and off course there was no Afghanistan it was called Khorashan, Bactrian (Bulkh), Sistan, Arana, Adgan, Kandhara, Turkistan (which has nothing to do with European Turkey, infect the modern Turkey people are believed to be from Turkistan.) And these people are Aryan they have always acted the same way forget about the rest of the world every time they Invaded THE GREAT INDIA, they always looted its richness, brooked down temples, culture, killed and raped our people by millions and millions, and made us slaves, and we bravely pushed them back from time to time. After their Attack to India they again attacked over and over again. These Aryans are now called Persians and Medes, both Medes and Persians are Aryans; the Aryans who settled in the North and south-eastern part of the persian plateau (now Afghanistan) became to known as Persians, while those of the mountain regions of the north-west were called Medes (now almost all of Middle East). The Medes were at first the leading nation, but towards the middle of the sixth century, B.C. the Persians became the dominant power, not only in Iran and Afghanistan, but also in Western Asia (Turkey, Jorden , Egypt ,Syria ,Iraq). What we now call Persia is not identical with the ancient empire designated by that name. That empire covered, from the sixth century B.C. to the seventh, such vast regions as Persia proper, Media, Elam, Chaldea, Babylonia, Assyria, Kabuli, the highlands of Armenia and Bactriana (Balkh),Kandahara, Aria (Herat),Samarqand. The term Persian, as applied both to the people and their language, has now a wider significance than it originally bore. Therefore the real Persians are Iran and Afghanistan. The Aryan civilization started from Oxus River now call Amu River, spreads all over much of Afghanistan and their capital were Aria now called Herat. Therefore the real Aryans are Afghans. So you see that it all came back to Afghanistan, In fact Alexander the great reached Afghanistan he send a latter to his Mother stating that “Mother you have given a birth to one Alexander here in Adghan land everybody is Alexander” so he had no choice but to join together and fight the Indians at times when India was a “super power”. Now it’s the same Nation Afghanistan that attacked India over

 

And over time, they are the worst people in this planet, because of them and their Continuous attacks and their Rules in our soil we accepted the British Rule.

And We should not be Proud of that Aryans came in northern India and raped our women, and that’s why we have a little light skin and therefore we should be proud of it because we are closer to Persians NO! NO! Let the Pakistanis be proud of it, and by the way the occupied some parts of Persian land which the British occupied and later was given to Pakistan. So basically divide Pakistan in half, Everything East of Indus River are “Indian Land” and everything West of Indus River are the “Persian land”. Considering between the two continent (East Pakistan, west Pakistan). The total population of Pakistan is 150 million west of Indus River is 16 million and east of Indus are the rest 134 million WOW!!! Balochistan’s population is 5.5 million and North-West Frontier Province is 10.5 million. Well considering the Real Afghans in Pakistan have never called themselves Afghans, they have always called themselves Afghans or “Pathan”

They always wanted to join the Afghans. In fact the two countries almost went to war But Pakistan was heavily backed by the British so Afghanistan couldn’t do anything. Till This Day Pakistan has problems within his own Country they (Pakis) worry that they are going to lose the land sometimes in the future because they are not “Pakis” they like their own people over the years Pakistanis are killed when they went to (NWFP) and so Pakistanis are scared to go alone they have to have Military protection this proves that Afghans are Violent, greedy, selfish, same as Aryans.

 

[Guest guest]

Forget it all you all are wrong

The Aryans are from Oxus River they started to invade other countries or lands and they killed so many Indians and Europeans and the same people over the time they again and again attacked the Indian but in different names (First Aryans or (Arians, Aria Ariana Aryana), Achæmenian, Bactricain, Fars, Zarathustra, Cyrus, Parthian, Adghanies,Sassanian,Sistanians,Seleucid,Bactro,Qandaharis Seljuks,Ghaznavids,Ghurids(Ghor), Qandaharis, Kandahara, Pathans, Moguls, Hotakis,Iranians,and last the Durranis) really if you all study history these all names can be applied to one nation, and that nation got its name in 3 BC, but in 1647 we called them by that same name again, and in 1747 it became a country, that country is Afghanistan. The entire above names related to Afghanistan, and off course there was no Afghanistan it was called Khorashan, Bactrian (Bulkh), Sistan, Arana, Adgan, Kandhara, Turkistan (which has nothing to do with European Turkey, infect the modern Turkey people are believed to be from Turkistan.) And these people are Aryan they have always acted the same way forget about the rest of the world every time they Invaded THE GREAT INDIA, they always looted its richness, brooked down temples, culture, killed and raped our people by millions and millions, and made us slaves, and we bravely pushed them back from time to time. After their Attack to India they again attacked over and over again. These Aryans are now called Persians and Medes, both Medes and Persians are Aryans; the Aryans who settled in the North and south-eastern part of the persian plateau (now Afghanistan) became to known as Persians, while those of the mountain regions of the north-west were called Medes (now almost all of Middle East). The Medes were at first the leading nation, but towards the middle of the sixth century, B.C. the Persians became the dominant power, not only in Iran and Afghanistan, but also in Western Asia (Turkey, Jorden , Egypt ,Syria ,Iraq). What we now call Persia is not identical with the ancient empire designated by that name. That empire covered, from the sixth century B.C. to the seventh, such vast regions as Persia proper, Media, Elam, Chaldea, Babylonia, Assyria, Kabuli, the highlands of Armenia and Bactriana (Balkh),Kandahara, Aria (Herat),Samarqand. The term Persian, as applied both to the people and their language, has now a wider significance than it originally bore. Therefore the real Persians are Iran and Afghanistan. The Aryan civilization started from Oxus River now call Amu River, spreads all over much of Afghanistan and their capital were Aria now called Herat. Therefore the real Aryans are Afghans. So you see that it all came back to Afghanistan, In fact Alexander the great reached Afghanistan he send a latter to his Mother stating that “Mother you have given a birth to one Alexander here in Adghan land everybody is Alexander” so he had no choice but to join together and fight the Indians at times when India was a “super power”. Now it’s the same Nation Afghanistan that attacked India over

 

And over time, they are the worst people in this planet, because of them and their Continuous attacks and their Rules in our soil we accepted the British Rule.

And We should not be Proud of that Aryans came in northern India and raped our women, and that’s why we have a little light skin and therefore we should be proud of it because we are closer to Persians NO! NO! Let the Pakistanis be proud of it, and by the way the occupied some parts of Persian land which the British occupied and later was given to Pakistan. So basically divide Pakistan in half, Everything East of Indus River are “Indian Land” and everything West of Indus River are the “Persian land”. Considering between the two continent (East Pakistan, west Pakistan). The total population of Pakistan is 150 million west of Indus River is 16 million and east of Indus are the rest 134 million WOW!!! Balochistan’s population is 5.5 million and North-West Frontier Province is 10.5 million. Well considering the Real Afghans in Pakistan have never called themselves Afghans, they have always called themselves Afghans or “Pathan”

They always wanted to join the Afghans. In fact the two countries almost went to war But Pakistan was heavily backed by the British so Afghanistan couldn’t do anything. Till This Day Pakistan has problems within his own Country they (Pakis) worry that they are going to lose the land sometimes in the future because they are not “Pakis” they like their own people over the years Pakistanis are killed when they went to (NWFP) and so Pakistanis are scared to go alone they have to have Military protection this proves that Afghans are Violent, greedy, selfish, same as Aryans.

 

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The Aryan word is Indian and means a pure race which lived and lives in India. No one can change this.

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The Aryan word is Indian and means a pure race which lived and lives in India. No one can change this.

 

 

I do not know what purity these north indians have ?

 

Selfish, arrogant, using uncouth abusive words(should I unload those words in Hindi), lecherous, ignorant, feeding their belly and satisfying their genitals and so many other bad things, these north Indians are not any different than any other indian or non-indians. They are all same inside, full of ignorance, although they may look differently outside.

 

So ARYA means one who follows Vedas in word, thought and deed, fulfils his responsibilities to society, nation and GODs, one who is selfless, a tyaagi, knower of GOD, does not have lust or greed, does not hate anybody, one who is equanimous at all conditions.

 

None of us is an Arya, we are all fallen vratyas and shudras by nature and vocation.