First Gigs...

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo & Peter

 

> Enter Sandman!

 

 

The Black Album is right about where Metallic lost me. I love

everything prior to that.

 

This was about the time the Evil Twins got in and screwed their

music up.

 

There are 3 kinds of Metallica fans - pre-black album, post-black

album and then very very few who like both.

 

I have enjoyed perhaps a song or two since that album, but I can no

longer call them one of my all-time fav bands.

 

So I just pre-tend that they disbanded after Justice and then some

garage band came in and now does their music. lol

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

> > Circle pits/mosh pits not for the elderly!

>

> Or for anyone who thinks that bones are meant to remain in one

piece, and prefer their blood to remain inside their body!

 

Now where's the fun in that?

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo

 

> I'm not sure. The bands I call hardcore are probably not the ones

you

> like. I like Killswitch Engage and Disturbed - can't think of others

> at present.

 

 

I'm listening to Disturbed - The Sickness right now.

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo

 

> LOL - I do try not to look stupid when I go to concerts - just wear a

> band t-shirt - always black of course. If I was young I would

> probably wear the goth gear, or some of it - but would look daft

nowadays.

 

Will you adopt me? And if not, then at the least let's go to a concert

together!

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

I've never particularly been a Black Sabbath fan. To me they seem to

be better without Ozzy, and Ozzy seems to be better without them. I

liked them with Dio, and with Tony Martin, but I like Dio better solo.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> Hi Peter

>

> I wasn't big into Sabbath after Ozzy left either.

>

> Nikki

>

> , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry Jo , but after they kicked out Ozzy, brought in dwarfs etc

to

> replace him, they just didnt do it for me, mind you as I said

> previously my musical tastes changed a lot around that time anyhoo.

> >

> > The Valley Vegan............

>

[Guest guest]

Rhodes was amazing!

 

Nikki

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Ah, I remember Randy Rhodes RIP.

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo

 

> I have a selection of versions of his solo in Crazy Train - one I

have

> only on a bad video which I taped from MTVs Headbangers Ball (when it

> was the European version) when Vanessa Warwick did the programme. It

> is such a good version, but I have never heard it since.

 

DH is a huge Ozzy fan and has tons of his works on tape. If you are

ever looking for anything in particular let me know. 10 to 1 he's got

it in one form or another.

 

I know, either you could pick it up personally or send your son as

your liason. lol

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Not sure what you mean by " our " , because here in the states Paul

Rodgers is their original lead singer too.

 

http://www.badcompany.com/bio.html

 

One of the most acclaimed bands of the classic rock era, England's Bad

Company has put its indelible stamp on rock 'n' roll with a straight-

ahead, no-frills musical approach that has resulted in the creation of

some of the most timeless rock anthems ever. Led by the incomparable

Paul Rodgers (a/k/a " The Voice " ), arguably the finest singer in

rock 'n ' roll, the current band also features from the original

lineup drummer extraordinary Simon Kirke.

 

Formed in 1973, Bad Company came to life when Rodgers was looking to

start anew after the disintegration of the legendary Free. His

powerhouse vocals were a main ingredient during Free's impressive five-

year run; a period of time that saw the release of seven extremely

influential albums that featured Free's minimalist blues-rock

approach. Included among Free's dynamic body of work is the 1970

smash, " All Right Now, " one of the most recognizable rock anthems ever

recorded.

 

Rodgers had met Mott The Hoople guitarist Mick Ralphs when both Mott

and Free had toured together. After jamming together and listening to

several new songs that Ralphs had penned, Ralphs made the decision to

leave Mott and form a new band with Rodgers. The duo recruited Kirke

and former King Crimson bassist/vocalist Boz Burrell and christened

themselves Bad Company, the name inspired by the 1972 Robert Benton

Civil War film of the same name. Hooking up with Led Zeppelin manager

Peter Grant, Bad Company became the first band signed to Zeppelin's

Swan Song label. " I had to fight to get the management and the record

company to accept the name Bad Company, " explains Rodgers. " They

thought it was a terrible name. Peter Grant called a meeting and the

band met beforehand. I told them that I had been through this before

with Free as Island Records had wanted to call us the Heavy Metal

Kids. We agreed to go in and tell them that we were going to be called

Bad Company and that was the end of the story. As soon as Peter heard

how strongly I felt about the name, he became very supportive and

turned the record company around. "

 

Bad Company was an instant hit worldwide. Their 1974 self-titled debut

went platinum five times over and featured the smash hits, " Can't Get

Enough, " (a Number One single) and " Movin' On " along with electrifying

rock anthems like " Ready For Love, " " Rock Steady " and the title track.

Because of their association with Grant, a unique opportunity arose

for them when it came time to record that classic first album in

November 1973. " We were bursting at the seams to get into the

recording studio, " says Rodgers. " Led Zeppelin had a mobile studio

together at Headley Grange all ready to go, but they were delayed for

two weeks. Peter Grant told us that if we were quick, we could

probably use the studio to lay a couple of tracks down. We steamed in

and put the entire album down. Headley Grange was very atmospheric. We

had the drums set up in the hallway and the guitars in the living

room. We did interesting things like placing the vocal microphone way

out in the fields for the song 'Bad Company.' We recorded that track

late at night underneath a fall moon. "

 

The eight tracks recorded at Headley Grange clearly defined the band's

stripped-down sound.Rock, blues and even country influences were

skillfully layered within songs such as the beautiful Rodgers-penned

ballad " Seagull, " the straight-ahead rock of " Movin' On " and " Rock

Steady. " Also featured from those fertile sessions at Headley Grange

are " Little Miss Fortune, " the brooding blues rock classic " Ready For

Love " and the previously unreleased " Superstar Woman. "

While " Superstar Woman " ultimately did not become part of Bad

Company's catalog, Rodgers' belief in the song never diminished. He

would eventually record a new version of the song for " Cut Loose, " his

1983 solo album.

 

" We were influenced by people like Jimi Hendrix, Cream, and, to a

certain extent, the Beatles, " explains Rodgers. " I don't think that

Bad Company was particularly blues influenced as a band, although I

probably brought that in as I'm such a huge blues fan. We were just

trying to play what felt good and natural. I think that is what gave

us our identity as a band. "

 

Taking fall benefit of Swan Song's visibility and Grant's press and

marketing skills. Bad Company made their formal debut at Newcastle

City Hall in March 1974. The rousing response they enjoyed from fans

and critics in the UK propelled the group to America on a high note,

brimming with confidence. " In America, we opened for Edgar Winter, "

remembers Rodgers. " The response to Bad Company was overwhelming,

night after night. When we started out on tour, the album had just

broken into the charts. Three months later, we were at number one. We

were received with open arms. "

 

In the United States, Bad Company's popularity soared. While some fans

had recognized Rodgers' voice from " All Right Now, " the group's

energetic stage shows wowed audiences largely unfamiliar with the work

of Free or Mott The Hoople. FM radio devoured their debut disc,

ultimately working " Can't Get Enough, " " Rock Steady, " " Bad

Company, " " Ready For Love " and " Movin' On " into regular rotation.

Rodgers' passionate, soulful vocals were reminiscent of one his idols,

Otis Redding, and struck a chord with the group's rapidly expanding

fan base.

 

" We always tried to be natural, " says Ralphs. " We would play soul and

blues favorites at rehearsals instead of learning new songs. My

favorite guitarist, the man that inspired me to play, was Steve

Cropper. Simon's favorite drummer was Al Jackson and Paul loved Otis

Redding's voice. I guess we wanted to be the MG's with Otis Redding.

Basically, we played like a bar band but soon it was clear that the

bars were getting very large indeed! "

 

With a number one album to their credit in America, Bad Company

returned to London triumphant. " The end of our first tour, the four of

us were summoned to Peter Grant's suite, " remembers Kirke. " We thought

we had done something wrong. We all went up to his room, coming in

like toe-scuffing schoolboys. Peter said, 'Now listen guys, it's been

a long tour and you've worked your asses off.' Then he paused for

dramatic effect and we thought, what the fuck have we done. He pulled

back this sheet that had been on the ground and said, 1 hope there

will be a lot more of these in the future.' Our gold albums for Bad

Company were there and he gave each of us a warm embrace. It was a

lovely moment. "

 

Grant played a critical role in the group's early success. " He spoke

our language, " Kirke says simply. " He loved his artists. He made us

believe in ourselves. It really helped us that he had only one other

act to manage and they were the biggest band in the world. "

 

Heartened by the response to Bad Company, the group hired Ronnie

Lane's mobile studio and had it installed at Clearwell Castle in

Gloucestershire, England in September 1974. " That was an interesting

place to record, " states Rodgers. " Where next after Headley Grange but

an old haunted castle! We had been touring very hard but we were still

able to come up with the goods in the end. By comparison, we hadn't

done any touring before our first record. "

 

***More on the Site***

 

Nikki

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> You must have a different Bad Company than our Bad Company because

the lead singer, well no one at all from the band was named Paul Roger.

>

> And, surprise, surprise, we agree on something. Queen should have

simply stopped when Freddie died. He WAS Queen! Period!

>

> Lynda

[Guest guest]

All the CDs I've got have Brain Howe on vocals. I meant " our " Bad Company

CDs. typing too fast.

 

Lynda

-

" earthstrm " <nikkimack

 

Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:31 AM

Re: First Gigs...

 

 

> Not sure what you mean by " our " , because here in the states Paul

> Rodgers is their original lead singer too.

>

> http://www.badcompany.com/bio.html

[Guest guest]

That's good to know.

 

Jo

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> Well, Jo, my kidlets don't think your kids are strange.

>

> I'd say it was something in the water down there but I was raised in

the Bay

> Area and we all went to concerts and stuff with our parents and the

kidlets

> with us, so go figure. Maybe it is the generation that is living

there now.

>

> I know it isn't the homeschooling families I know cause they are all

still

> doing stuff together even four generations!

>

> Lynda

> -

> " jo " <jo.heartwork@g...>

>

>

> > I'm sorry if I have been a bit sharp but I don't like people

saying my

> > kids

> > are strange.

> >

> > Jo

>

[Guest guest]

I've seen only a few episodes. They don't seem as bad as I thought

they would be - although the dog poop indoors sounds horrible.

 

Jo

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> I didn't particularly care for it. I don't particularly care for

his wife

> and the kids are a bit on the obnoxious side and dogs pooping all

over the

> house is just too much. Thought I did think throwing the ham at the

> neighbor was a hoot!

>

> Lynda

> -

> " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...>

>

> Wednesday, October 19, 2005 7:56 PM

> Re: First Gigs...

>

>

> > what did you think about his mtv show,

> > I saw a few episodes last year or so

> > and I thought it was too ostentatious.

> > but then again, his lyfestile isn't any

> > differrent from people with his kind of money.

> >

> >

> > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Yes, Ozzy is better. He used to sound like he had a mouth full of

mush!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

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well i'm sorry

i just thought it weird...and still do

but..like i say..to each their own....

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 19, 2005 11:42 PM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

Hi Fraggle

 

I know you didn't say 'Jo's kids are stange' in those words, but you

laughed and said you thought it weird and no way would you do that -

which by implication means 'jo's kids are strange'. That's what peer

pressure is really. Now maybe you didn't mean it like that and you

know I like you anyway - but ......

 

BB

Jo

 

 

When they kick out your front door

How you gonna come?

With your hands on your head

Or on the trigger of your gun

 

When the law break in

How you gonna go?

Shot down on the pavement

Or waiting on death row

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

That's a shame - it must mean missing out on some fun things - for the

kids I mean.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> I think that it is more of an image thing. He doesn't want to be

> seen with his Father at that age in public.

>

> It may be a cultural thing because it is like that here in the US

> for most teens.

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

> , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just

> > being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it

> > was a band you liked)?

> >

> > Jo

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

Like minds :-) I also like it when metal bands do metalized classical

solos - in the style of Bach, Paganini, Vivaldi, Saint Saens etc.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> > Yes it would be the same one - I missed him on your list. I think

> > Ozzy, for all his faults, never has a bad guitarist. One of my

> > favourite solos is Crazy Train.

>

> I agree with both!

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

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the only image i have is in a mirror

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 20, 2005 10:28 AM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

Hi Nikki

 

That's a shame - it must mean missing out on some fun things - for the

kids I mean.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> I think that it is more of an image thing. He doesn't want to be

> seen with his Father at that age in public.

>

> It may be a cultural thing because it is like that here in the US

> for most teens.

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

> , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just

> > being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it

> > was a band you liked)?

> >

> > Jo

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Nikki

 

I do agree with all you have said. They used to be my favourite band

until then. It was at the Donington Rock Festival where I was

enjoying myself in the dark, the rain pouring, and gently headbanging

to their music - when they announced that for them metal was dead and

played 2 by 4 or whatever it was called. Oh well ... there's lots of

good bands to keep me busy.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo & Peter

>

> > Enter Sandman!

>

>

> The Black Album is right about where Metallic lost me. I love

> everything prior to that.

>

> This was about the time the Evil Twins got in and screwed their

> music up.

>

> There are 3 kinds of Metallica fans - pre-black album, post-black

> album and then very very few who like both.

>

> I have enjoyed perhaps a song or two since that album, but I can no

> longer call them one of my all-time fav bands.

>

> So I just pre-tend that they disbanded after Justice and then some

> garage band came in and now does their music. lol

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

That's the one I have. Very good (except maybe the words!)

 

BB

Jo

 

, " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> > I'm not sure. The bands I call hardcore are probably not the ones

> you

> > like. I like Killswitch Engage and Disturbed - can't think of others

> > at present.

>

>

> I'm listening to Disturbed - The Sickness right now.

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

[Guest guest]

LOL Nikki

 

If I did that would make me a grandma :-) It would be good to go to a

concert together.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> > LOL - I do try not to look stupid when I go to concerts - just wear a

> > band t-shirt - always black of course. If I was young I would

> > probably wear the goth gear, or some of it - but would look daft

> nowadays.

>

> Will you adopt me? And if not, then at the least let's go to a concert

> together!

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nikki.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> > I have a selection of versions of his solo in Crazy Train - one I

> have

> > only on a bad video which I taped from MTVs Headbangers Ball (when it

> > was the European version) when Vanessa Warwick did the programme. It

> > is such a good version, but I have never heard it since.

>

> DH is a huge Ozzy fan and has tons of his works on tape. If you are

> ever looking for anything in particular let me know. 10 to 1 he's got

> it in one form or another.

>

> I know, either you could pick it up personally or send your son as

> your liason. lol

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

[Guest guest]

missed out?

how so mama jo?

i did a quick estimation...a very very conservative estimate puts me at over

3000 shows

(started going to gigs when i was 13...saw generally two shows a week..most

years saw 3-5 a week..worked at clubs since 1989...etc)

how was i missin out???

eh...whichever...we just see things different..tis all...

my father was/is a misogynist racist rightwing ..umm..person...

don't get me wrong..he's my father..i love him...but hang out with him????

*blinks in confusion*

 

as an aside..i talked this over with my partner...

and she looked at me like a sprouted horns when i asked if she and her dad went

t oshows together...and he was a punk..

finally she admitted " yeah, once..when i turned 15 and he got all weird and

didn't want me to go to shows alone anymore, and insisted he come along....i

moved out two weeks later.. "

 

we all just have different expectations and family lives i guess...

 

thanx fer all yer inputs tho

 

fraggle

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 20, 2005 10:28 AM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

Hi Nikki

 

That's a shame - it must mean missing out on some fun things - for the

kids I mean.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> I think that it is more of an image thing. He doesn't want to be

> seen with his Father at that age in public.

>

> It may be a cultural thing because it is like that here in the US

> for most teens.

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

> , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just

> > being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it

> > was a band you liked)?

> >

> > Jo

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Jo

 

> > And I'll give a virtual vegan chocolate cake to anyone who can tell

> > me the name of the group that Blackmore and Page *both* played in, at

> > different times, before they were famous! And as a clue, Mick Abrahams

> > of Jethro Tull fame, and Albert Lee also played guitar in the same

> > group... all before they were well known!!!!

> I think I know but I'll wait before I say anything :-)

 

You surprise me... but go on, I'm sure everyone else has had enough time by

now!

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry about your bad experience of parents and concerts Fraggle -

I can quite see why it put you off the idea.

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> the only image i have is in a mirror

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 20, 2005 10:28 AM

>

> Re: First Gigs...

>

> Hi Nikki

>

> That's a shame - it must mean missing out on some fun things - for the

> kids I mean.

>

> BB

> Jo

>

> , " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Jo

> >

> > I think that it is more of an image thing. He doesn't want to be

> > seen with his Father at that age in public.

> >

> > It may be a cultural thing because it is like that here in the US

> > for most teens.

> >

> > BB

> > Nikki

> >

> > , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just

> > > being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it

> > > was a band you liked)?

> > >

> > > Jo

> >

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Fraggle

 

I didn't mean you missed out on doing anything like going to concerts

or having fun - I just meant sharing some things with your dad - but

from what you say, I understand.

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> missed out?

> how so mama jo?

> i did a quick estimation...a very very conservative estimate puts me

at over 3000 shows

> (started going to gigs when i was 13...saw generally two shows a

week..most years saw 3-5 a week..worked at clubs since 1989...etc)

> how was i missin out???

> eh...whichever...we just see things different..tis all...

> my father was/is a misogynist racist rightwing ..umm..person...

> don't get me wrong..he's my father..i love him...but hang out with

him????

> *blinks in confusion*

>

> as an aside..i talked this over with my partner...

> and she looked at me like a sprouted horns when i asked if she and

her dad went t oshows together...and he was a punk..

> finally she admitted " yeah, once..when i turned 15 and he got all

weird and didn't want me to go to shows alone anymore, and insisted he

come along....i moved out two weeks later.. "

>

> we all just have different expectations and family lives i guess...

>

> thanx fer all yer inputs tho

>

> fraggle

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 20, 2005 10:28 AM

>

> Re: First Gigs...

>

> Hi Nikki

>

> That's a shame - it must mean missing out on some fun things - for the

> kids I mean.

>

> BB

> Jo

>

> , " earthstrm " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Jo

> >

> > I think that it is more of an image thing. He doesn't want to be

> > seen with his Father at that age in public.

> >

> > It may be a cultural thing because it is like that here in the US

> > for most teens.

> >

> > BB

> > Nikki

> >

> > , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just

> > > being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it

> > > was a band you liked)?

> > >

> > > Jo

> >

>

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>

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Hi Nikki

 

> The Black Album is right about where Metallic lost me. I love

> everything prior to that.

 

I completely agree. I thought the Black Album was pretty good, but had a

couple of weak tracks... then they just lost it. Personally, I think it

shows just how much influence Cliff Burton had on their sound.

 

> This was about the time the Evil Twins got in and screwed their

> music up.

 

No - this was not evil twins... this was drugs and alcohol. I find it rather

ironic that James Hetfield can still sing Master of Puppets without

cringing.

 

> There are 3 kinds of Metallica fans - pre-black album, post-black

> album and then very very few who like both.

 

I've yet to meet one of the 3rd sort :-)

 

> So I just pre-tend that they disbanded after Justice and then some

> garage band came in and now does their music. lol

 

That's about how I see it as well. It's such a shame, because they were *so*

good - both on album and live!

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

I quite liked the black album! - not exactly master of puppets but hey horses for courses, and you have to remember the events that lead to it . Does anyone remember the freaky video to the unforgiveen?

I hated the latest one St Anger.

 

The Valley Vegan............earthstrm <nikkimack wrote:

Hi Jo & Peter> Enter Sandman!The Black Album is right about where Metallic lost me. I love everything prior to that. This was about the time the Evil Twins got in and screwed their music up.There are 3 kinds of Metallica fans - pre-black album, post-black album and then very very few who like both.I have enjoyed perhaps a song or two since that album, but I can no longer call them one of my all-time fav bands.So I just pre-tend that they disbanded after Justice and then some garage band came in and now does their music. lolBBNikki