Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Went to the AR2004 conference, and listened to vegan MD Micheal Greger- he refered to a recent study on vegan's nutrition. Seems us vegans are not getting enough B12 (I know this is *soooo* commen vegan knowledge) and that we should along with eating a proper diet, be always supplementing with B12. I found this study interesting, considering I was getting my B12 nutrition info from a well know vegan nutrition book. Catch is, the book is very outdated (medically speaking)! Just thought I'd share, I wouldn't want anyone to end up with nerve damage!! xoTara , xjenisveganx@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:23:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > cgadarian@a... writes: > > Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. > > I just came from my endocrinologist who has treated me for a thyroid > disorder. I see her every year. I told her that, and I quote, " For the first time > in my life, since I was 6 years old, I am losing weight, not hungry, > satisfied, and happy with a Vegan diet/lifestyle. She said, and I quote, " What about > protein!?? You can't just eat rice and potatoes and starch!! Where do you > get your protein?? " > > For the life of me, I could not remember where I get my protein from. I > think it is soy products, but what do I know? However, I think I resented being > made to feel like I had to defend myself. So I did not answer her. Nyah > Nyah Nyah. > > Where do we get protein from? Am I supposed to worry about this??? I think > I need to go lay down or something. At any rate, it WAS reassuring to know > that these doctors is crazyyyy. > > Cynthia > > > > you get protein from everywhere. fake meat has a TON of protien. tofu, > peanuts (peanut butter has a ton of protein), soymilk, etc. most vegans (who lead > a healthy lifestyle- not rely on pasta all day long) get sufficient amounts > of protein. and if people want to worry about vitamins you get calcium from > lots of places. orange juice and soy milk are now almost always fortified with > calcium. but it is a good idea to take a multi vitamin (make sure it doesnt > have geletin in it- trader joes makes a vegan one) and since your a female > taking a calcium supplement wouldnt be a bad idea becuase of osteroperosis. > > heart, > jen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 grow your own organic carrots then when they are ready pick them, brush off the excess dirt and eat one or two a without washing them, you will get all the b12 you need for a whole month or more. the supplements for b12 mostly are from animal source Spirulina is a good way to supplement for b12. hope this helps all the best Craig apprendsvegan [tarasch7]Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: IntroductionWent to the AR2004 conference, and listened to vegan MD Micheal Greger- he refered to a recent study on vegan's nutrition. Seems us vegans are not getting enough B12 (I know this is *soooo* commen vegan knowledge) and that we should along with eating a proper diet, be always supplementing with B12. I found this study interesting, considering I was getting my B12 nutrition info from a well know vegan nutrition book. Catch is, the book is very outdated (medically speaking)!Just thought I'd share, I wouldn't want anyone to end up with nerve damage!! :(xoTara , xjenisveganx@a... wrote:> > > In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:23:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > cgadarian@a... writes:> > Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.> > I just came from my endocrinologist who has treated me for a thyroid > disorder. I see her every year. I told her that, and I quote, "For the first time > in my life, since I was 6 years old, I am losing weight, not hungry, > satisfied, and happy with a Vegan diet/lifestyle. She said, and I quote, "What about > protein!?? You can't just eat rice and potatoes and starch!! Where do you > get your protein??"> > For the life of me, I could not remember where I get my protein from. I > think it is soy products, but what do I know? However, I think I resented being > made to feel like I had to defend myself. So I did not answer her. Nyah > Nyah Nyah.> > Where do we get protein from? Am I supposed to worry about this??? I think > I need to go lay down or something. At any rate, it WAS reassuring to know > that these doctors is crazyyyy.> > Cynthia> > > > you get protein from everywhere. fake meat has a TON of protien. tofu, > peanuts (peanut butter has a ton of protein), soymilk, etc. most vegans (who lead > a healthy lifestyle- not rely on pasta all day long) get sufficient amounts > of protein. and if people want to worry about vitamins you get calcium from > lots of places. orange juice and soy milk are now almost always fortified with > calcium. but it is a good idea to take a multi vitamin (make sure it doesnt > have geletin in it- trader joes makes a vegan one) and since your a female > taking a calcium supplement wouldnt be a bad idea becuase of osteroperosis. > > heart,> jen.To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 almost all veggies have some protein xjenisveganx [xjenisveganx]Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: Introduction In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:23:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cgadarian writes: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I just came from my endocrinologist who has treated me for a thyroid disorder. I see her every year. I told her that, and I quote, "For the first time in my life, since I was 6 years old, I am losing weight, not hungry, satisfied, and happy with a Vegan diet/lifestyle. She said, and I quote, "What about protein!?? You can't just eat rice and potatoes and starch!! Where do you get your protein??" For the life of me, I could not remember where I get my protein from. I think it is soy products, but what do I know? However, I think I resented being made to feel like I had to defend myself. So I did not answer her. Nyah Nyah Nyah. Where do we get protein from? Am I supposed to worry about this??? I think I need to go lay down or something. At any rate, it WAS reassuring to know that these doctors is crazyyyy. Cynthia you get protein from everywhere. fake meat has a TON of protien. tofu, peanuts (peanut butter has a ton of protein), soymilk, etc. most vegans (who lead a healthy lifestyle- not rely on pasta all day long) get sufficient amounts of protein. and if people want to worry about vitamins you get calcium from lots of places. orange juice and soy milk are now almost always fortified with calcium. but it is a good idea to take a multi vitamin (make sure it doesn't have gelatine in it- trader Joes makes a vegan one) and since your a female taking a calcium supplement wouldn't be a bad idea because of osteoporosis. heart,jen.To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Once again, thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone. Of course I get the primary part of my protein from different soy products such as "fake meat", tofu, soymilk products, soy pudding, etc.. And I know about the B12 thing - I tried Vegemite and Marmite and frankly was not "she-woman" enough to take it, so it was off to the supplement counter. Cynthia - xjenisveganx Monday, July 19, 2004 8:37 PM Re: Re: Introduction In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:23:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cgadarian writes: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I just came from my endocrinologist who has treated me for a thyroid disorder. I see her every year. I told her that, and I quote, "For the first time in my life, since I was 6 years old, I am losing weight, not hungry, satisfied, and happy with a Vegan diet/lifestyle. She said, and I quote, "What about protein!?? You can't just eat rice and potatoes and starch!! Where do you get your protein??" For the life of me, I could not remember where I get my protein from. I think it is soy products, but what do I know? However, I think I resented being made to feel like I had to defend myself. So I did not answer her. Nyah Nyah Nyah. Where do we get protein from? Am I supposed to worry about this??? I think I need to go lay down or something. At any rate, it WAS reassuring to know that these doctors is crazyyyy. Cynthia you get protein from everywhere. fake meat has a TON of protien. tofu, peanuts (peanut butter has a ton of protein), soymilk, etc. most vegans (who lead a healthy lifestyle- not rely on pasta all day long) get sufficient amounts of protein. and if people want to worry about vitamins you get calcium from lots of places. orange juice and soy milk are now almost always fortified with calcium. but it is a good idea to take a multi vitamin (make sure it doesnt have geletin in it- trader joes makes a vegan one) and since your a female taking a calcium supplement wouldnt be a bad idea becuase of osteroperosis. heart,jen.To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Hi Cynthia Protein from soy and other beans, lentils, seeds, nuts - and rice has a fair amount too. Every food item has protein and vegans get plenty of protein as long as they are eating enough calories. You could always mention that too much animal protein robs the bones of their calcium. I'm glad you are feeling better. Jo - xjenisveganx Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:37 AM Re: Re: Introduction In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:23:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cgadarian writes: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I just came from my endocrinologist who has treated me for a thyroid disorder. I see her every year. I told her that, and I quote, "For the first time in my life, since I was 6 years old, I am losing weight, not hungry, satisfied, and happy with a Vegan diet/lifestyle. She said, and I quote, "What about protein!?? You can't just eat rice and potatoes and starch!! Where do you get your protein??" For the life of me, I could not remember where I get my protein from. I think it is soy products, but what do I know? However, I think I resented being made to feel like I had to defend myself. So I did not answer her. Nyah Nyah Nyah. Where do we get protein from? Am I supposed to worry about this??? I think I need to go lay down or something. At any rate, it WAS reassuring to know that these doctors is crazyyyy. Cynthia you get protein from everywhere. fake meat has a TON of protien. tofu, peanuts (peanut butter has a ton of protein), soymilk, etc. most vegans (who lead a healthy lifestyle- not rely on pasta all day long) get sufficient amounts of protein. and if people want to worry about vitamins you get calcium from lots of places. orange juice and soy milk are now almost always fortified with calcium. but it is a good idea to take a multi vitamin (make sure it doesnt have geletin in it- trader joes makes a vegan one) and since your a female taking a calcium supplement wouldnt be a bad idea becuase of osteroperosis. heart,jen.To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Luckily in the UK there are plenty of B12 supplements which are completely vegan. I believe, like most of the vitamin B complex, it is grown on a yeast type fungus. Jo - Craig Dearth Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:58 AM RE: Re: Introduction grow your own organic carrots then when they are ready pick them, brush off the excess dirt and eat one or two a without washing them, you will get all the b12 you need for a whole month or more. the supplements for b12 mostly are from animal source Spirulina is a good way to supplement for b12. hope this helps all the best Craig apprendsvegan [tarasch7]Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Re: IntroductionWent to the AR2004 conference, and listened to vegan MD Micheal Greger- he refered to a recent study on vegan's nutrition. Seems us vegans are not getting enough B12 (I know this is *soooo* commen vegan knowledge) and that we should along with eating a proper diet, be always supplementing with B12. I found this study interesting, considering I was getting my B12 nutrition info from a well know vegan nutrition book. Catch is, the book is very outdated (medically speaking)!Just thought I'd share, I wouldn't want anyone to end up with nerve damage!! :(xoTara , xjenisveganx@a... wrote:> > > In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:23:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > cgadarian@a... writes:> > Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.> > I just came from my endocrinologist who has treated me for a thyroid > disorder. I see her every year. I told her that, and I quote, "For the first time > in my life, since I was 6 years old, I am losing weight, not hungry, > satisfied, and happy with a Vegan diet/lifestyle. She said, and I quote, "What about > protein!?? You can't just eat rice and potatoes and starch!! Where do you > get your protein??"> > For the life of me, I could not remember where I get my protein from. I > think it is soy products, but what do I know? However, I think I resented being > made to feel like I had to defend myself. So I did not answer her. Nyah > Nyah Nyah.> > Where do we get protein from? Am I supposed to worry about this??? I think > I need to go lay down or something. At any rate, it WAS reassuring to know > that these doctors is crazyyyy.> > Cynthia> > > > you get protein from everywhere. fake meat has a TON of protien. tofu, > peanuts (peanut butter has a ton of protein), soymilk, etc. most vegans (who lead > a healthy lifestyle- not rely on pasta all day long) get sufficient amounts > of protein. and if people want to worry about vitamins you get calcium from > lots of places. orange juice and soy milk are now almost always fortified with > calcium. but it is a good idea to take a multi vitamin (make sure it doesnt > have geletin in it- trader joes makes a vegan one) and since your a female > taking a calcium supplement wouldnt be a bad idea becuase of osteroperosis. > > heart,> jen.To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2004 Hi Tara The knowledge about vitamin B12 and heart disease caused by high homocysteine levels is relatively new, and many books do not mention it - or mention that sufficient B12 can be obtained from yeast extract and spirulina etc. which is now known to not be true. Judging by the newsletters from Michael Gregor I imagine his talk was interesting. Jo - " apprendsvegan " <tarasch7 Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:02 AM Re: Introduction > Went to the AR2004 conference, and listened to vegan MD Micheal Greger- he refered to > a recent study on vegan's nutrition. Seems us vegans are not getting enough B12 (I know > this is *soooo* commen vegan knowledge) and that we should along with eating a proper > diet, be always supplementing with B12. I found this study interesting, considering I was > getting my B12 nutrition info from a well know vegan nutrition book. Catch is, the book is > very outdated (medically speaking)! > > Just thought I'd share, I wouldn't want anyone to end up with nerve damage!! > xoTara > > > , xjenisveganx@a... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:23:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > cgadarian@a... writes: > > > > Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. > > > > I just came from my endocrinologist who has treated me for a thyroid > > disorder. I see her every year. I told her that, and I quote, " For the first time > > in my life, since I was 6 years old, I am losing weight, not hungry, > > satisfied, and happy with a Vegan diet/lifestyle. She said, and I quote, " What about > > protein!?? You can't just eat rice and potatoes and starch!! Where do you > > get your protein?? " > > > > For the life of me, I could not remember where I get my protein from. I > > think it is soy products, but what do I know? However, I think I resented being > > made to feel like I had to defend myself. So I did not answer her. Nyah > > Nyah Nyah. > > > > Where do we get protein from? Am I supposed to worry about this??? I think > > I need to go lay down or something. At any rate, it WAS reassuring to know > > that these doctors is crazyyyy. > > > > Cynthia > > > > > > > > you get protein from everywhere. fake meat has a TON of protien. tofu, > > peanuts (peanut butter has a ton of protein), soymilk, etc. most vegans (who lead > > a healthy lifestyle- not rely on pasta all day long) get sufficient amounts > > of protein. and if people want to worry about vitamins you get calcium from > > lots of places. orange juice and soy milk are now almost always fortified with > > calcium. but it is a good idea to take a multi vitamin (make sure it doesnt > > have geletin in it- trader joes makes a vegan one) and since your a female > > taking a calcium supplement wouldnt be a bad idea becuase of osteroperosis. > > > > heart, > > jen. > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2004 Gotta agree. Vegemite (I have never tried Marmite) is just down-right disgusting. , " Cynthia Gadarian " <cgadarian@a...> wrote: > Once again, thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone. > > Of course I get the primary part of my protein from different soy products such as " fake meat " , tofu, soymilk products, soy pudding, etc.. And I know about the B12 thing - I tried Vegemite and Marmite and frankly was not " she-woman " enough to take it, so it was off to the supplement counter. > > Cynthia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2004 I tend to agree on the Marmite/vegemite ( is vegemite vegan ......one for Craig?) issue....yuk! make sure you eat plenty of vitamin enriched soya products, e.g. a large bowl of cereal swimming in soya milk should contain a large proportion of the RDI of B12. Other things vegans are often told to look at their intake of are iron, ( even though in vegetable form rather than , animal form it is easier ingested), and iodine ( eat some sea vegetables, sea salt or take a supliment ), and calcium ( again back to vegetables and that enriched soya milk ). The Valley Vegan.Sara <gagrip5 wrote: Gotta agree. Vegemite (I have never tried Marmite) is just down-right disgusting. , "Cynthia Gadarian" wrote:> Once again, thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone.> > Of course I get the primary part of my protein from different soy products such as "fake meat", tofu, soymilk products, soy pudding, etc.. And I know about the B12 thing - I tried Vegemite and Marmite and frankly was not "she-woman" enough to take it, so it was off to the supplement counter.> > Cynthia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2004 Hi Cathleen, I think I just read my auto biography in your e-mail. I feel the same exact way. I am a vegetarian, (a newbie at that) and want to become vegan. I am noticing more and more how they mis treat these poor animals!! It's just more expensive, as well as difficult. When I go out, with friends (all of my friends LOVE eating meat.) I always end up getting a veggie burger. Even the salads at all the restaurants have at least chicken in it!!! So I guess I'm a part time vegan. Or a vegetarian with good intentions. I also am with someone that cannot seem to give up meat. He's eating less of it at least but he LOVES cheese and for some reason it bothers me that he consumes sooo much of it. He thinks that just because they don't kill the animal, it's ok. But if you consider the fact that Americans conusme a WHOLE LOTA dairy product, they can't be treating these cows properly! I am a real believer in what I am doing and would love for him to feel the same way, but I am not here to change someone. I am confused as to what to do, because other than that, he really makes me happy."Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." With lots of love, ***PJ*** Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2004 PJ, in a perfect world we would all be vegan if your partner (and yourself have trouble ) try doing it one step at a time for your partner stop eating beef then pork then chicken then fish then dairy then eggs then all the really hard stuff the hidden meat stuff additives preserves etc.. the point being goal setting does make it easier and slip ups are not defeats once your there you'll never look back all the best Craig PJ [pjsparkles80]Monday, August 02, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Introduction Hi Cathleen, I think I just read my auto biography in your e-mail. I feel the same exact way. I am a vegetarian, (a newbie at that) and want to become vegan. I am noticing more and more how they mis treat these poor animals!! It's just more expensive, as well as difficult. When I go out, with friends (all of my friends LOVE eating meat.) I always end up getting a veggie burger. Even the salads at all the restaurants have at least chicken in it!!! So I guess I'm a part time vegan. Or a vegetarian with good intentions. I also am with someone that cannot seem to give up meat. He's eating less of it at least but he LOVES cheese and for some reason it bothers me that he consumes sooo much of it. He thinks that just because they don't kill the animal, it's ok. But if you consider the fact that Americans conusme a WHOLE LOTA dairy product, they can't be treating these cows properly! I am a real believer in what I am doing and would love for him to feel the same way, but I am not here to change someone. I am confused as to what to do, because other than that, he really makes me happy. "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." With lots of love, ***PJ*** Mail is new and improved - Check it out! To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 2, 2004 Hi Craig, I realize that it's just about taking it one step at a time, but my concern is that my partner doesn't want to even consider becoming a vegetarian, He is stuck on that "I can't give up meat." I was lucky, I read something that impacted me so much that I just don't look at meat as food anymore, I look at it as a murdered animal. My partner is not impacted by it, and feels as if it's just all part of the food chain, and humans are on top of the food chain. I don't know if certain beliefs should be shared with your partner. Such as this one. PJ, in a perfect world we would all be vegan if your partner (and yourself have trouble ) try doing it one step at a time for your partner stop eating beef then pork then chicken then fish then dairy then eggs then all the really hard stuff the hidden meat stuff additives preserves etc.. the point being goal setting does make it easier and slip ups are not defeats once your there you'll never look back all the best Craig"Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." With lots of love, ***PJ*** New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 10, 2004 Lorna wrote: << He has started losing weight. Thankfully, it is not really a problem for him because he has always been quite chubby and now he is walking everywhere (!) >> That's developmentally appropriate. You'd have to feed him like a sumo wrestler to keep him from losing fat at this stage. He's getting real exercise for the first time in his life. She also asked, regarding spouses & families putting pressure on the decision for a child to be veg: << How do you all handle these situations? >> I think you and your husband have to come to a clear agreement together on how you're going to handle the situation. Otherwise, there will be too many times where you have to make decisions at the spur of the moment, and it will be harder to explain the consistency of your reasoning to your child, other people, and yourselves. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 23, 2004 Great to meet you. My husband and I went raw about 4 months ago - he lost 30+ pounds and I lost 20 pounds. We actually decided to eat this way only for the health benefits and voila - ending up losing some fat. We have managed to improve our blood pressure - my husbands' was about 140/95 and it is now 122/72. Much improved - they wanted so much to get him on medication, I am thankful we did not. I have attached a food combining chart for your information. It is much of what you will find in the Fit for Life books. For layman's terms, I would recommend books by David Wolfe and Paul Nison. They are extremely insightful. Good look on your health quest! Take care, Peechuz_Gone_Raw - Princess (of course) rawfood September 22, 2004 6:59 AM [Raw Food] Introduction Hello all!!! I'm so pleased to have found and joined this community. I'm 28 years old, female, living in Ontario, Canada. A recent convert to vegetarianism (though I'd been leaning towards it for years). I'm also now dairy-free. Caffiene-free. Sugar-free and refined carbohydrate-free. I'm now nearing the best shape of my life, after having been all the way up to 220 lbs back in College, and having a slew of health problems most of my life including asthma, depression, chronic yeast infections, chronic constipation, etc. etc. etc. We all know that list, it just goes on & on... I'm hoping to meet some of you in a more personal sense, in that I would LOVE to have a few educated & experienced friends on my contact list for day to day chat (not necessarily every day) to talk about food, about health, about different concepts & diseases, natural remedies, books, etc. Please feel free to introduce yourself to me if this sounds like something you might also enjoy. I'm princessblondie2001 Be sure to tell me that you're adding me/messaging me because you saw my message here, otherwise I likely won't answer or be very receptive to your efforts, as I use the computer from work, and avoid ALL random chatters. I've just finished reading the Fit For Life book by Harvey Diamond. I have his second book and will be starting that sometime this evening. The concepts of food combing & raw foods are very new to me, though they make perfect sense, and in the month+ that I've been living this way I've lost more than 10 lbs and feel 100 times better from the inside out. I look forward to getting to know all of you & being a contributor to this wonderful community. Princess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 4, 2004 Hi, I just joined this group today. I'm going to really enjoy reading your posts and be able to answer any questions. I've begun the no meat experience last month. Sometimes I slip up, but I know with my positive attitude, I'll get back up again. The reason I've decided to eat this way is because I want to lose a good amount of weight. I'm learning very gradually from other vegetarian sites. The information is very helpful. And since my other family members are meat-eaters, I'm the only one who does not eat meat. I think I'm going to being a vegetarian, whether my family thinks I'm crazy or what. Anyway, my name is Karen, and it'll be a pleasure to get lots of great recipes and other ideas from all of you. I'm so glad to have found this group. Thank you very, very much. Be posting soon. Karen W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2004 Hello and welcome! I see you said you have kidney disease, which one is it, if you don't mind my asking. I have polycystic kidney disease myself, which is why I am a vegetarian! Its really the best diet for me and my disease. You will love it here, its super! Welcome! Becky ---- 11/24/04 02:02:29 Introduction Hi group I'm new here. My name is Louise, from South Australia. I've been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for about 9 years or so. I hope to share recipes and diet information. I have certain dietary requirements, due to a number of illnesses. I have kidney disease, high blood pressure and osteoporosis (and me not even 30 yet!!) so I need to ensure I get the right food (which I don't always do - naughty!!) I'm not into any of the politics of vegetarianism, but respect those who are. My husband is a meat eater and I have no qualms with that. I respect everyone's choices. My favourite food is Indian, I also like Mexican. My main interest in life is my dogs. Regards Louise South Australia DogsBody Hydrobath aussie_bullbreeds/ www.edba.org.au Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2004 Welcome Louise:) I also have a meat-eater for a husband - but he also does the vegetarian (I do vegan) thing with me most of the time, which makes things a bit easier. While I don't like buying meat and dairy products at all, I agree with you in that we can't expect everyone else to suddenly change for our preferences. I see that you have dogs - what do you have? I have a Pomeranian and a Chihuahua:) I love them both immeasurably, and often refer to them as the kids (although I do have three bipeds as well;) Debra Lee Thompson Analyst - Mortgage I First Horizon Home Loans Corporation debrathompson <debrathompson 214.492.7402 Louise [lmfoster] Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:02 AM Introduction Hi group I'm new here. My name is Louise, from South Australia. I've been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for about 9 years or so. I hope to share recipes and diet information. I have certain dietary requirements, due to a number of illnesses. I have kidney disease, high blood pressure and osteoporosis (and me not even 30 yet!!) so I need to ensure I get the right food (which I don't always do - naughty!!) I'm not into any of the politics of vegetarianism, but respect those who are. My husband is a meat eater and I have no qualms with that. I respect everyone's choices. My favourite food is Indian, I also like Mexican. My main interest in life is my dogs. Regards Louise South Australia DogsBody Hydrobath aussie_bullbreeds/ www.edba.org.au Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2004 Welcome Amy:) (welcome to your cats, too;) Debra Lee Thompson Analyst - Mortgage I First Horizon Home Loans Corporation debrathompson <debrathompson 214.492.7402 Amy P. [aviva_ha] Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:02 AM introduction Hello, my name is Amy. I am vegetarian curious. I have two cats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2004 , " WindChimes " <chimies@e...> wrote: > > I see you said you have kidney > disease, which one is it, if you > don't mind my asking. > You're free to ask - I brought it up in the first place ) I can't really say what the disease is, 'cause I don't know, though it's not polycystic - my renal specialist hasn't given a name to my condition, I don't know if there is one. All they can tell me is that my kidney function is slow/abnormal, and getting slower. The specialist doesn't believe I'll be in any serious problems at this point in time, but will probably go downhill in 20 years time (( - that will make me only around 50 years old when I get sick. I just have to keep the blood pressure under strict control for the time being, otherwise I haven't been given any advice at all. The problems with my renal function cause me to get very tired, and I've also suffered gout in my ankle because of it - extremely painful. Not sure really what dietary considerations to pay attention to. I've got loads of information in relation to my osteoporosis, but not much in relation to the kidneys. Regards Louise South Australia DogsBody Hydrobath aussie_bullbreeds/ www.edba.org.au Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2004 , " Thompson, Debra lee " <Debrathompson@f...> wrote: > > I also have a meat-eater for a husband - but he also does the vegetarian > (I do vegan) thing with me most of the time, Same with us, hubby doesn't mind veg food at all. In fact, he was the first one to go vege, and I later followed. He went back to meat fairly soon, but I never went back. > While I don't like buying meat and dairy products at all, I don't buy any meat for human consumption at all. I do buy it for my dogs, however. Hubby only eats meat when we go out, or if we buy takeaway. We don't have it at home - too darn expensive on the grocery bill anyway!! Hubby has no problem with this arrangement. > I see that you have dogs - what do you have? I have a Pomeranian and a > Chihuahua:) I love them both immeasurably, My dogs are also my babies. I have three bull terriers, a 5 year old, a 10.5 y.o. (both girls) and a 16 y.o. male. I could never live without them, though the old boy was very sick this week and spent a few days in hospital with pancreatitis. He's home now and much better - and I have the $730 bill to prove it ) - I have my own mobile dog grooming business and I love all dogs. Regards Louise South Australia DogsBody Hydrobath aussie_bullbreeds/ www.edba.org.au Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Hey, why don't we take off list! my email is chimies. would like to discuss with ya!!! Just give me a holler and I will respond to you lightning fast! Take care, Becky ---- 11/25/04 02:45:12 Re: Introduction , " WindChimes " <chimies@e...> wrote: > > I see you said you have kidney > disease, which one is it, if you > don't mind my asking. > You're free to ask - I brought it up in the first place ) I can't really say what the disease is, 'cause I don't know, though it's not polycystic - my renal specialist hasn't given a name to my condition, I don't know if there is one. All they can tell me is that my kidney function is slow/abnormal, and getting slower. The specialist doesn't believe I'll be in any serious problems at this point in time, but will probably go downhill in 20 years time (( - that will make me only around 50 years old when I get sick. I just have to keep the blood pressure under strict control for the time being, otherwise I haven't been given any advice at all. The problems with my renal function cause me to get very tired, and I've also suffered gout in my ankle because of it - extremely painful. Not sure really what dietary considerations to pay attention to. I've got loads of information in relation to my osteoporosis, but not much in relation to the kidneys. Regards Louise South Australia DogsBody Hydrobath aussie_bullbreeds/ www.edba.org.au Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2004 Louise!!! That's a wondeful idea - I love it! I've never thought about changing his venue to just having meat when we eat out:) You're brilliant!!! Thanks! Deb , " Louise " <lmfoster@i...> wrote: > > , " Thompson, Debra lee " > <Debrathompson@f...> wrote: > > > > I also have a meat-eater for a husband - but he also does the > vegetarian > > (I do vegan) thing with me most of the time, > > Same with us, hubby doesn't mind veg food at all. In fact, he was > the first one to go vege, and I later followed. He went back to meat > fairly soon, but I never went back. > > > While I don't like buying meat and dairy products at all, > > I don't buy any meat for human consumption at all. I do buy it for > my dogs, however. Hubby only eats meat when we go out, or if we buy > takeaway. We don't have it at home - too darn expensive on the > grocery bill anyway!! Hubby has no problem with this arrangement. > > > I see that you have dogs - what do you have? I have a Pomeranian > and a > > Chihuahua:) I love them both immeasurably, > > My dogs are also my babies. I have three bull terriers, a 5 year > old, a 10.5 y.o. (both girls) and a 16 y.o. male. I could never live > without them, though the old boy was very sick this week and spent a > few days in hospital with pancreatitis. He's home now and much > better - and I have the $730 bill to prove it ) - I have my own > mobile dog grooming business and I love all dogs. > > Regards > Louise > South Australia > DogsBody Hydrobath > aussie_bullbreeds/ > www.edba.org.au Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2004 , " Debra Lee Thompson " <Debrathompson@f...> wrote: > > > Louise!!! That's a wondeful idea - I love it! I've never thought > about changing his venue to just having meat when we eat out:) You're > brilliant!!! > Well, test the idea out on him, see if it works ). Even though my husband helps with the housework (well, to a degree), it could be either one of us that ends up doing the dishes, and I don't think I would like to wash dishes that were covered in meat remains! No, other places outside the home are the place for him to enjoy his meat ) Regards Louise South Australia DogsBody Hydrobath aussie_bullbreeds/ www.edba.org.au Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2004 We seem to have group participants from all over the world! Cool! Please share. Who lives where? Me: Jiraph Chicago, Illiois USA ===== " The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing anybody. If people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer misunderstandings. " From Kinky Friedman's Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2004 Jiraph! You live in the city of my birth, the city I absolutely love, and will forever be in love with. I live in a small southwestern Michigan hamlet, but my heart and soul really reside in Chicago, as well as San Francisco. Matthew McCormick On Nov 28, 2004, at 7:45 AM, Jiraph Wirpel wrote: > > We seem to have group participants from all over the > world! Cool! > Please share. Who lives where? > > > Me: > Jiraph > Chicago, Illiois > USA > > > ===== > " The cat did not respond. She did not believe in paraphrasing > anybody. If > people pursued this same feline wisdom, there'd be a lot fewer > misunderstandings. " > From Kinky Friedman's > Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch > > > > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites