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Hi, I live near Coos Bay, about half way between California and

Washington. I have lived here for 4 years, having moved here from

Lewiston Idaho. I have lived in ORegon before, and have loved it since I

attended boarding school in Oregon as a teen.

I look forward to getting acquainted with you and sharing recipes.

Thanks for the welcome. Carol

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Hot Cider (non-alcoholic)

 

Ingredients:

 

(1 or 2) Oranges

a few (20?) whole cloves

large jug Apple cider

Cinnamon Sticks

 

Directions:

 

Stud the oranges with cloves. (Push the pointy end into them until the

flower part is flush with the peel.) I use about 10 per orange.

 

Put the cider into a large saucepan, and add the oranges and some

cinnamon sticks (one or two will do). Heat for hours (you can just leave

it on all day for a party). It gets better with age. Just pour in more cider

when it starts getting low.

 

Enjoy!

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Welcome Carol. What an interesting screen name! Hope you find something you can use here. Robin

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In message <9qhrro+o63a (AT) eGroups (DOT) com>, luciano <frutariano

writes

>My name is Luciano. I am a new member of this group.

>I joined you because I share the vegan philosophy.

>I have been a vegan for 7-8 years. I am living in Buenos Aires,

>Argentina. I'm 25.

 

welcome, luciano! as you speak spanish, you have probably already

discovered the spanish vegan society <www.ivu.org/ave>

 

the president of AVE is a raw food vegan for 12 years now but, like you,

he appreciates that the ethical distinction is between those who exploit

living beings for flesh, milk, eggs, leather, wool, entertainment, etc

etc and those who do not.

 

the ivu website <www.ivu.org> has many pages and articles in dozens of

languages, including many in spanish, and also 2,000 recipes all of

which are vegan [i include this information for others on the list as i

understand that you are currently fruitarian]

 

if you haven't already visited the site, do have a look! another good

one is <www.ivu.org/atelier> - a veggie guesthouse in the mountains of

the sierra nevada whose proprietor has just published a veggie guide to

spain. useful for anyone thinking of holidaying there. also available

through the uk vegan society <www.vegansociety.com>

 

all good wishes,

 

vanessa clarke

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>

> welcome, luciano! as you speak spanish, you have probably already

> discovered the spanish vegan society <www.ivu.org/ave>

 

Thank you very much for welcoming me.

And yes, I already knew about the spanish vegan society, anyway, it

was very kind of you to send me this information.

 

 

 

>

> the president of AVE is a raw food vegan for 12 years now but, like

you,

> he appreciates that the ethical distinction is between those who

exploit

> living beings for flesh, milk, eggs, leather, wool, entertainment,

etc

> etc and those who do not.

I am in touch with the Asociacion Vegana Española (ave), since I was

a teenager, in fact, this organization provided me a lot of

information about veganism and all concerning that life philosophy.

 

>

> the ivu website <www.ivu.org> has many pages and articles in dozens

of

> languages, including many in spanish,

yes, I knew that, in fact, you can visit my essay of animal rights

published there. I am a liberation-animal writer.

anyone of this group can visit my work, this is the link:

http://www.ivu.org/uva/incons.html

(the problem is that for the moment only the spanish version is

available) soon it will be in english because I am working on the

translation.

 

 

and also 2,000 recipes all of

> which are vegan [i include this information for others on the list

as i

> understand that you are currently fruitarian]

>

> if you haven't already visited the site, do have a look! another

good

> one is <www.ivu.org/atelier> - a veggie guesthouse in the mountains

of

> the sierra nevada whose proprietor has just published a veggie

guide to

> spain. useful for anyone thinking of holidaying there. also

available

> through the uk vegan society <www.vegansociety.com>

>

> all good wishes,

>

> vanessa clarke

 

All good wishes for u2,

Luciano Bonfico

I am happy to be a member of this group. I'll appreciate any

information about raw veganism or raw fruitarianism.

www.tulibertadzine.com.ar/fruitariansmaster.htm

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Hello everyone -

 

I just joined the list; I was glad to find it.

I'm relatively new at vegetarianism so I don't have

much to share at this point (unless you'd like recipes

from the Vegetarian Times Cookbook).

 

I've used firm tofu before but I mistakenly

bought a package of silken tofu. Anyone have any

suggestions for using it in a dish?

 

TIA,

Dawn Durante

 

 

 

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Dawn,

I usually use silken tofu for smoothies in the morning. Just add it

with your favorite fruit, blend it and you're ready to go.

 

Carolyn

 

, dawn durante <dariced2001>

wrote:

>

> Hello everyone -

>

> I just joined the list; I was glad to find it.

> I'm relatively new at vegetarianism so I don't have

> much to share at this point (unless you'd like recipes

> from the Vegetarian Times Cookbook).

>

> I've used firm tofu before but I mistakenly

> bought a package of silken tofu. Anyone have any

> suggestions for using it in a dish?

>

> TIA,

> Dawn Durante

>

>

 

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Welcome, Mirian! I hope you enjoy the group and I'm looking forward

to your posts. Your garden sounds wonderful!

 

Melinda

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Jane! I think you can find lots of tasty foods that don't

contain meat. I hope you find some here you like.

 

Melinda

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob

 

Welcome

 

> I prefer old

> hand crafted acoustic instruments made before electrical

> contraptions.

 

An interesting choice of phrase, and one which I actually find to be quite

offensive. I am a guitarist, and played classical guitar for many years

before trying electric. I used to think very much like you with regard to

" electrical contraptions " , but when I was 14 years old I tried one and I

found it much more challenging than I had at first thought. I now find that

electrical instruments are far more versatile than acoustic, and while

acoustic instruments are still very useful (I often use nylon string guitar

in my compositions), it is possible to recreate the grandeur of a 200 piece

orchestra with just 5 electrical instuments.

 

I guess when they first invented the upright bass, cellists probably thought

of it as a " new contraption " to be treated as suspicion, and when they

invented the cello, singers probably despised the idea of these new-fangled

ideas (I believe the Orthodox church believe instruments to be un-godly). I

guess that there are always going to be some people who aren't willing to

try the new.

 

Personally, I prefer to try something before judging it.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Hi Bob!

 

It's good to meet ya!

And I look forward to getting to know you

 

nikki

IL

 

, " lowhertz " <bc@i...> wrote:

>

> Greetings fellow Vegans....

>

> I've been mostly reading for the past few months, and lately have

> posted a few responses.

> Here's a little background.

>

> I'm a 47 year old man living on the Space Coast of Florida. Ever

> since I was a little boy

> I wanted to be a vegetarian and have been a vegetarian since the

mid

> 70s. For the last

> 20 years I've been veganish, rarely a perfect vegan but always a

> strict vegetarian. I have

> a 20 year old son who's been a life line vegetarian as well.

>

> I'm very interested in nutrition, nature, holistic health and

> environmental causes. They

> are of course highly related. The only real advance in nutrition

> over the last

> few hundred years has been the veggie juicer, and I've been a

juicer

> the entier

> period.

>

> Along with fresh organic produce, fitness is the fountain of youth,

> and I work out every day.

> Luckily, I'm a telecommuter, and start most days running on the

beach

> and watching the sun rise.

> In addition, I push weights, run and swim with enthusiasm. I try to

> set a good example. I motto is to earn my daily shower.

>

> My passion is music, and I play upright bass in a large jazz

> band and support our local community orchestra as well. While I

> work in the computer industry, I prefer old

> hand crafted acoustic instruments made before electrical

> contraptions. Some of my other interests are history, nature,

> science, recumbent biking, political thought, economics,

> operating systems, and almost any topic can be interesting.

>

> Personal email is always welcomed, but please no chain letters. I

> don't care if someone

> disagrees with anything I write, in spite of my strong views.

> Opposing views are how we all learn. However, I will object

> to any personal attacks. In addition, will attack racists and

> anti-environmentalists like a badger.

>

>

> Bob C on the Space Coast of Florida

> bc@i...

[Guest guest]

Welcome Bob. You sound like a really intresting person, and I bet you will add

lots to the group.

 

Hannah

 

 

lowhertz

 

8/24/2002 5:24 PM

Introduction

 

 

Greetings fellow Vegans....

 

I've been mostly reading for the past few months, and lately have

posted a few responses.

Here's a little background.

 

I'm a 47 year old man living on the Space Coast of Florida. Ever

since I was a little boy

I wanted to be a vegetarian and have been a vegetarian since the mid

70s. For the last

20 years I've been veganish, rarely a perfect vegan but always a

strict vegetarian. I have

a 20 year old son who's been a life line vegetarian as well.

 

I'm very interested in nutrition, nature, holistic health and

environmental causes. They

are of course highly related. The only real advance in nutrition

over the last

few hundred years has been the veggie juicer, and I've been a juicer

the entier

period.

 

Along with fresh organic produce, fitness is the fountain of youth,

and I work out every day.

Luckily, I'm a telecommuter, and start most days running on the beach

and watching the sun rise.

In addition, I push weights, run and swim with enthusiasm. I try to

set a good example. I motto is to earn my daily shower.

 

My passion is music, and I play upright bass in a large jazz

band and support our local community orchestra as well. While I

work in the computer industry, I prefer old

hand crafted acoustic instruments made before electrical

contraptions. Some of my other interests are history, nature,

science, recumbent biking, political thought, economics,

operating systems, and almost any topic can be interesting.

 

Personal email is always welcomed, but please no chain letters. I

don't care if someone

disagrees with anything I write, in spite of my strong views.

Opposing views are how we all learn. However, I will object

to any personal attacks. In addition, will attack racists and

anti-environmentalists like a badger.

 

 

Bob C on the Space Coast of Florida

bc

 

 

 

To send an email to -

 

 

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welcome bob

 

now, is that a european er an amercian badger??

fraggle

 

 

" lowhertz " <bc wrote:

 

>

>Greetings fellow Vegans....

>

>I've been mostly reading for the past few months, and lately have

>posted a few responses.  

>Here's a little background.

>

>I'm a 47 year old man living on the Space Coast of Florida.  Ever

>since I was a little boy

>I wanted to be a vegetarian and have been a vegetarian since the mid

>70s.  For the last

>20 years I've been veganish, rarely a perfect vegan but always a

>strict vegetarian.  I have

>a 20 year old son who's been a life line vegetarian as well.

>

>I'm very interested in nutrition, nature,  holistic health and

>environmental causes. They

>are of course highly related.   The only real advance in nutrition

>over the last

>few hundred years has been the veggie juicer, and I've been a juicer

>the entier

>period.

>

>Along with fresh organic produce, fitness is the fountain of youth,

>and I work out every day.

>Luckily, I'm a telecommuter, and start most days running on the beach

>and watching the sun rise.  

>In addition, I push weights, run and swim with enthusiasm. I try to

>set a good example.  I motto is to earn my daily shower.

>

>My passion is music, and I play upright bass in a large jazz

>band and support our local community orchestra as well.    While I

>work in the computer industry, I prefer old

>hand crafted acoustic instruments made before electrical

>contraptions.  Some of my other interests are history, nature,

>science, recumbent biking, political thought, economics,

>operating systems, and almost any topic can be interesting.

>

>Personal email is always welcomed, but please no chain letters.  I

>don't care if someone

>disagrees with anything I write, in spite of my strong views.

>Opposing views are how we all learn.  However, I will object

>to any personal attacks.  In addition, will attack racists and

>anti-environmentalists like a badger.

>

>

>Bob C on the Space Coast of Florida

>bc

>

>

>

>To send an email to -

>

>

[Guest guest]

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Bob

>

> Welcome

>

> > I prefer old

> > hand crafted acoustic instruments made before electrical

> > contraptions.

>

> An interesting choice of phrase, and one which I actually find to

be quite

> offensive. I am a guitarist, and played classical guitar for many

years

> before trying electric. I used to think very much like you with

regard to

> " electrical contraptions " , but when I was 14 years old I tried one

and I

> found it much more challenging than I had at first thought. I now

find that

> electrical instruments are far more versatile than acoustic, and

while

> acoustic instruments are still very useful (I often use nylon

string guitar

> in my compositions), it is possible to recreate the grandeur of a

200 piece

> orchestra with just 5 electrical instuments.

>

> I guess when they first invented the upright bass, cellists

probably thought

> of it as a " new contraption " to be treated as suspicion, and when

they

> invented the cello, singers probably despised the idea of these new-

fangled

> ideas (I believe the Orthodox church believe instruments to be un-

godly). I

> guess that there are always going to be some people who aren't

willing to

> try the new.

>

> Personally, I prefer to try something before judging it.

>

> BB

> Peter

>

 

Peter, please don't make assumptions about me. Yes, I also

play electric bass, have pickups, play electric and classical guitar.

Playing electric bass was how I worked my way through college.

 

This is my preference. I find acoustic music much more spiritual

and meaningful.

 

Bob C

 

 

Enjoy your electrical guitar

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob

 

> Peter, please don't make assumptions about me.

 

No assumptions were made. You obviously have difficulty in bringing yourself

to classify " electrical contraptions " as instruments. These were your words,

not mine.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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peter sure woke up in grumpyville today...

 

 

 

 

" Peter " <Snowbow wrote:

 

>Hi Bob

>

>> Peter, please don't make assumptions about me.

>

>No assumptions were made. You obviously have difficulty in bringing yourself

>to classify " electrical contraptions " as instruments. These were your words,

>not mine.

>

>BB

>Peter

>

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Hi Bob

 

> I find acoustic music much more spiritual and meaningful.

 

I find this statement interesting, and I hope you won't mind my

investigating exactly what it means. Spiritual to me means that something

comes " from the spirit / soul " . Are you saying that you have the ability to

understand the spirit / soul of the person writing / playing the music, or

are you just making an assumption?

 

Now, how about meaning - please elucidate as to what is meaningful about

acoustic music, which is not found in music played on amplified instruments.

Ultimately, isn't music all about vibrations - how is it actually possible

to define music simply by whether or not it is amplified?

 

Personally, I thoroughly enjoy all sorts of music, nothing more than the

" unexpected " mix of acoustic / electric - be it something like Apocalyptica

with all the amazing use of amplification on usually acoustic instruments,

or a simplified acoustic version of a song which was originally played with

electrical instruments. But my favourite sort of music is the sort like

Rhapsody - music which is ultimately classical in its composition, but which

is played by musicians who not only understand the music, but are also some

of the best musicians in the world (on both electric and acoustic).

 

BB

Peter

 

 

 

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Hi Bob

 

You did call them 'electrical contraptions' which sounds rather derogatory.

 

Jo

> Peter, please don't make assumptions about me. Yes, I also

> play electric bass, have pickups, play electric and classical guitar.

> Playing electric bass was how I worked my way through college.

>

> This is my preference. I find acoustic music much more spiritual

> and meaningful.

 

 

 

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damn them new fangled electrical gadgets...

if gawd had meant us to play electrical geetars, we would have amps in our rear

ends...

and then we would discriminate between those with peavey's, and the ones with

marshalls....

fraggle

 

 

" Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote:

 

>Hi Bob

>

>You did call them 'electrical contraptions' which sounds rather derogatory.

>

>Jo

>> Peter, please don't make assumptions about me.   Yes, I also

>> play electric bass, have pickups, play electric and classical guitar.

>> Playing electric bass was how I worked my way through college.

>>

>> This is my preference.  I find acoustic music much more spiritual

>> and meaningful.  

>

>

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LOL - and if he had meant us to have accoustic guitars where would they be

situated :-)

 

Jo

 

 

> damn them new fangled electrical gadgets...

> if gawd had meant us to play electrical geetars, we would have amps in our

rear ends...

> and then we would discriminate between those with peavey's, and the ones

with marshalls....

> fraggle

>

>

> " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote:

>

> >Hi Bob

> >

> >You did call them 'electrical contraptions' which sounds rather

derogatory.

> >

> >Jo

> >> Peter, please don't make assumptions about me. Yes, I also

> >> play electric bass, have pickups, play electric and classical guitar.

> >> Playing electric bass was how I worked my way through college.

> >>

> >> This is my preference. I find acoustic music much more spiritual

> >> and meaningful.

> >

> >

> >

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Actually, when I wrote new fangled electrical gadgets,

I meant, ALL electronic gadgets, not electric instruments.

 

Generally, I just personally prefer string instruments

that were hand crafted and made over 150 years ago.

There are exceptions. There are some great luthiers

today making some wonderful instruments, but they generally

look for their sources of inspiration to those fiddle

makers in Cremonia, Italy in the 1600s. With all our

science, plate theory, harmonic analysis, those wood carvers

in Cremonia still had something very special.

 

 

A lot of it, I'm sure has to do with time and love. We have

machines that can assist when carving wood today. Understand,

my specific interest happens to be String Basses, and there

are some great luthiers today, such as Rumano Solano and

Barrie Kolstein. Of course, Rumano went to the Cremonia

School of Violin Making where he studied the ancient art. And,

Barrie Kolstein, mostly tuaght by his father, has seen the

insides of more old Italian fiddles and basses than any man alive.

 

 

Interestingly, the greatest guitar makes lived in the 20th

century, John D'Angelico and Jimmy D'Aquisto (who I knew).

They were from the school of Guanarious, who was a contemporary

of Stradivarous. While Stradivarius was a nobel man, and had

only the woods. He set patterns and measurements, and thus

today, people copy his dimensions, (that's why you see a gazillion

" Stradivarius " violins, cellos, and basses, they were cut to

his measurements, more or less.

 

Guanarious was not, and was in and out of prison,

and did not get the best woods. So, as he carved, he tapped

the woods, and thus no two instruments were built exactly

the same. Of course, their knowledge was handed down

using the apprenticeship system. This lineage went clear

to John D'Angelico, who switched from fiddles to guitars.

Jimmy D'Aquisto's mother brought Jimmy to John, who then taught

him the trade. Jimmy D'Aquisto worked with several people,

but in this day and age, he didn't retain his longest held

apprentice, Richard Gordon, and had a stroke, and the last

lineage is sadly lost. There are some other fine guitar

makers, but nothing like them.

 

 

Personally I don't think speaker systems that

can compare to old spruce, maple and ebony instruments

lovingly carved and played with

skilled hands. Yes, I'm well aware of some of the leading

electronic instrument makers, Alembic, Mike Pedulla,

Rick Turner and the like. Rick made me a pickup for my upright

that I use for playing in a Big Band.

Yes, their research and sounds

are interesting. Some of the new electronic keyboards

are also rather amazing - you can sample all you want,

do all the math, but I don't think any of them

compare to the majesty of a 9 foot Bosendorfer or a real

pipe organ.

 

I have two basses, one was built in 1820 in New England, the

other in 1860s in Prague. That was before there were any

electronic contraptions. I didn't mean electric guitars.

My friend, Rumano Solano is carving me a new bass, which I hope

to get soon. Rumano makes basses and cellos that are really

wonderful.

 

I'm sorry if this offends you.

 

Bob C

 

 

 

, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> damn them new fangled electrical gadgets...

> if gawd had meant us to play electrical geetars, we would have amps

in our rear ends...

> and then we would discriminate between those with peavey's, and the

ones with marshalls....

> fraggle

>

>

> " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

>

> >Hi Bob

> >

> >You did call them 'electrical contraptions' which sounds rather

derogatory.

> >

> >Jo

> >> Peter, please don't make assumptions about me.   Yes, I also

> >> play electric bass, have pickups, play electric and classical

guitar.

> >> Playing electric bass was how I worked my way through college.

> >>

> >> This is my preference.  I find acoustic music much more

spiritual

> >> and meaningful.  

> >

> >

> >

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*blinks*

you mean i shouldn't be just smashing these things on stage?

i feel so dirty now...

 

fraggle

 

 

" lowhertz " <bc wrote:

 

>Actually, when I wrote new fangled electrical gadgets,

>I meant, ALL electronic gadgets, not electric instruments.

>

>Generally, I just personally prefer string instruments

>that were hand crafted and made over 150 years ago.

>There are exceptions.  There are some great luthiers

>today making some wonderful instruments, but they generally

>look for their sources of inspiration to those fiddle

>makers in Cremonia, Italy in the 1600s. With all our

>science, plate theory, harmonic analysis, those wood carvers

>in Cremonia still had something very special.

>

>

>A lot of it, I'm sure has to do with time and love.  We have

>machines that can assist when carving wood today.  Understand,

>my specific interest happens to be String Basses, and there

>are some great luthiers today, such as Rumano Solano and

>Barrie Kolstein.  Of course, Rumano went to the Cremonia

>School of Violin Making where he studied the ancient art. And,

>Barrie Kolstein, mostly tuaght by his father, has seen the

>insides of more old Italian fiddles and basses than any man alive.

>

>

>Interestingly,  the greatest guitar makes lived in the 20th

>century, John D'Angelico and Jimmy D'Aquisto (who I knew).

>They were from the school of Guanarious, who was a contemporary

>of Stradivarous.  While Stradivarius was a nobel man, and had

>only the woods.  He set patterns and measurements, and thus

>today, people copy his dimensions, (that's why you see a gazillion

> " Stradivarius " violins, cellos, and basses, they were cut to

>his measurements, more or less.

>

>Guanarious was not, and was in and out of prison,

>and did not get the best woods.  So, as he carved, he tapped

>the woods, and thus no two instruments were built exactly

>the same.  Of course, their knowledge was handed down

>using the apprenticeship system.  This lineage went clear

>to John D'Angelico, who switched from fiddles to guitars.

>Jimmy D'Aquisto's mother brought Jimmy to John, who then taught

>him the trade.  Jimmy D'Aquisto worked with several people,

>but in this day and age, he didn't retain his longest held

>apprentice, Richard Gordon, and had a stroke, and the last

>lineage is sadly lost. There are some other fine guitar

>makers, but nothing like them.

>

>

>Personally I don't think speaker systems that

>can compare to old spruce, maple and ebony instruments

>lovingly carved and played with

>skilled hands.  Yes, I'm well aware of some of the leading

>electronic instrument makers, Alembic, Mike Pedulla,

>Rick Turner and the like.  Rick made me a pickup for my upright

>that I use for playing in a Big Band.

>Yes, their research and sounds

>are interesting.     Some of the new electronic keyboards

>are also rather amazing - you can sample all you want,

>do all the math, but I don't think any of them

>compare to the majesty of a 9 foot Bosendorfer or a real

>pipe organ.

>

>I have two basses, one was built in 1820 in New England, the

>other in 1860s in Prague. That was before there were any

>electronic contraptions.   I didn't mean electric guitars.

>My friend, Rumano Solano is carving me a new bass, which I hope

>to get soon.  Rumano makes basses and cellos that are really

>wonderful.

>

>I'm sorry if this offends you.

>

>Bob C

>

>

>

>, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>> damn them new fangled electrical gadgets...

>> if gawd had meant us to play electrical geetars, we would have amps

>in our rear ends...

>> and then we would discriminate between those with peavey's, and the

>ones with marshalls....

>> fraggle

>>

>>

>> " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

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>> >Hi Bob

>> >

>> >You did call them 'electrical contraptions' which sounds rather

>derogatory.

>> >

>> >Jo

>> >> Peter, please don't make assumptions about me.   Yes, I also

>> >> play electric bass, have pickups, play electric and classical

>guitar.

>> >> Playing electric bass was how I worked my way through college.

>> >>

>> >> This is my preference.  I find acoustic music much more

>spiritual

>> >> and meaningful.  

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Hi Bob

 

> A lot of it, I'm sure has to do with time and love. We have

> machines that can assist when carving wood today.

 

I agree very much that a well crafted hand made instrument is usually better

than machine made instrument - but this applies equally to electric and

acoustic instruments. My favourite acoustic guitar was hand made in Holland,

and my favourite electric guitar is one which I made myself (the most modern

tool I used was an electric sander for getting the basic shape).

 

> Interestingly, the greatest guitar makes lived in the 20th

> century, John D'Angelico and Jimmy D'Aquisto (who I knew).

> They were from the school of Guanarious, who was a contemporary

> of Stradivarous. While Stradivarius was a nobel man, and had

> only the woods. He set patterns and measurements, and thus

> today, people copy his dimensions, (that's why you see a gazillion

> " Stradivarius " violins, cellos, and basses, they were cut to

> his measurements, more or less.

 

As well respected as Stradivarius was for violins, his reputation for

guitars is just the opposite - the best respected I have come across is

Asturias, who I believe was 18th century.

 

> Personally I don't think speaker systems that

> can compare to old spruce, maple and ebony instruments

> lovingly carved and played with

> skilled hands.

 

I think it depends very much on the instrument, the musician and the speaker

system. Having worked as a sound engineer, I have heard some microphone and

speaker systems which manage to amplify without any loss of quality

(although these do tend to cost tens of thousands of pounds). Of course, it

is always easy to find fault with any setting - for instance, it is very

hard to get an orchestra balanced correctly (and equally impossible to have

a general agreement on how an orchestra should be balanced).

 

> you can sample all you want,

> do all the math, but I don't think any of them

> compare to the majesty of a 9 foot Bosendorfer or a real

> pipe organ.

 

Personally, I can't stand the sound of a pipe organ! I believe it was

originally invented as a very early attempt to replicate an orchestra! But I

do agree about the piano.

 

My point is that every instrument has its own qualities - I have yet to hear

an electric keyboard which can fully replicate the sound of a piano

(although some of the latest Korg modules have now come pretty close).

Alternatively, I have yet to hear an acoustic instrument that can replicate

an electric guitar. I think the problem is that many people seem to think

that electric instruments are somehow trying to replicate acoustic ones -

and while this is true for a few instruments, the majority have been created

to bring about more diversity in the sounds that can be created - and I can

only see this as A Good Thing.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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