Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2003 Pat, Thanks, for your encouraging response. I agree that moderation is the key. I was very confused about soy, especially since I OD'd on soy last week....soy shakes, soy potato soup, etc... As for dairy being " unhealthy, " -- yes, I was referring to the antibiotics and hormones fed to (or injected into) dairy cattle. I read somewhere (who knows if the stats are right) that 90 percent of America's dairy products are from factory farmed cattle that are fed hormones and antibiotics. If this is true, then we can't be sure that our milk, cheese, butter, ice cream and yogurt is " safe. " Rose , Pat Meadows <pat@m...> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:49:12 -0000, you wrote: > > Hi Rose, > > >I posted this question on another board but would like to hear your > >comments: Is soy dangerous? I've read that the estrogren found in soy > >can cause cancer and that the processing of soy is almost as > >unhealthy > >as dairy. > > As a new vegetarian, you'll see lots and lots of conflicting > information floating around. You have to develop a sense of > balance, and be able to sift through the various claims > yourself. > > Let's think about soy foods. > > Now, we have a *wonderful* experiment involving soy foods. > > Billions (literally billions) of people have relied on soy > foods as one of their chief protein sources for many > hundreds of years. Those people live in China, Japan, and > other Asian countries. They have done fine for many > hundreds of years. This establishes the safety of soy foods > as part of a balanced diet - for ME, me personally. You can > judge for yourself. > > But I can tell you that modern medicine has NO studies > involving this many people for this long a time. None. Not > even close. > > There have been a bunch of recent studies involving soymilk > as being the sole food of infants and young children - NOT a > good idea. It's injurious to their health. These studies > have been discussed *and distorted* all over the place. > > As to estrogen being 'dangerous' - everything is 'dangerous' > in the wrong circumstances. Estrogen is a natural hormone, > necessary. Too much or the wrong kind could be dangerous, > I'm sure - such as the hormones given to menopausal women to > 'prevent heart disease' and now known to contribute to it. > > Water is dangerous if you drink too much of it. Everything > has the potential of being 'dangerous'. > > I don't accept that dairy foods are unhealthy, btw, and have > NEVER seen any hard evidence of this, any research, any > scientific studies. People 'say' they are. Well, people > say a lot of things. > > Some people are lactose-intolerant and obviously dairy foods > are unhealthy for those people. Others are allergic to them > and therefore dairy foods would be unhealthy for them. > > But again: human beings have consumed dairy foods for many > hundreds of years. Cows were first domesticated about 8000 > years ago (I just finished a book entitled 'Guns, Germs, and > Steel' by Jared Diamond - fascinating book - largely about > the early use of plant foods and early domestication of > animals). So people have been eating dairy foods for about > 8000 years. > > Some people - in Africa and other places - are pastoralists > - roaming herdsmen: they follow their herds from place to > place where the grazing is good. These people live on dairy > foods as their main food source - they eat *almost nothing* > else, except occasional meat. They are healthy. They are > more adapted to doing this - no doubt - from the thousands > of years they have done so. But they are human beings, the > same species as you and I. If we met them, we could > interbreed and have fertile offspring (this is what > determines - basically - what a species is). > > So I am totally not convinced that dairy foods - especially > lower fat dairy foods - are unhealthy. I've seen an awful > lot of sheer nonsense proclaiming them unhealthy, but never > any convincing theories as to why they should be unhealthy > and never any evidence whatsoever. > > If you were *really* referring to the antibiotics put in > cows' feed in the USA, that's a different story. Yes, I > believe that's a highly unhealthy practice and it can be > dangerous - probably not only to certain individuals but to > our population as a whole, as I believe it contributes > towards bacteria becoming antibiotic resistant. > > Pat > -- > Pat Meadows > > CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY > United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ > International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 23, 2003 On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:24:20 -0000, you wrote: >Pat, >Thanks, for your encouraging response. I agree that moderation >is the key. I was very confused about soy, especially since I OD'd on >soy last week....soy shakes, soy potato soup, etc... I'll tell you what makes sense to me, Rose: just eat a varied diet of whole natural foods. I eat soy regularly, probably about 3-4 times/week in one form or another. Incidentally, it's said that soyfoods ease menopause and I did in fact have a spectacularly easy menopause. I just simply stopped having periods with NO symptoms of any kind whatsoever. I even to the doctor to ask about it as I was worried this was abnormal. He laughed...and said that this was how it's *supposed* to be but rarely is. That's one instance: one data point. There's no proof that the two (eating soyfoods and easy menopause) are connected, AFAIK. > >As for dairy being " unhealthy, " -- yes, I was referring to the >antibiotics and hormones fed to (or injected into) dairy cattle. I >read somewhere (who knows if the stats are right) that 90 percent of >America's dairy products are from factory farmed cattle that are fed >hormones and antibiotics. If this is true, then we can't be sure that >our milk, cheese, butter, ice cream and yogurt is " safe. " > Unfortunately however we can't be sure the rest of our food is safe either (insecticides, pesticides, GMO foods, etc.). I try to eat a varied diet of whole natural foods. This is doing better for my health than - what - 95% of Americans...probably some figure like that. So I don't worry about the rest, on the theory that I try not to worry about things I can't do anything about. We grow lots of veggies in summer, I try to buy locally (but there's not much opportunity to do so). We simply can't afford to buy only organic foods, so I don't worry about it. Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2003 I can help you out with going vegan if you want. I like raw foods, but they aren't always peachy-keen for my stomach cos I have colitis and IBS, but my fave veggie is broccoli =0) Good luck and congrats on going vegan! I bet you'll notice any colds/respiratory problems you may have go away, because mine sure did! Liz Elizabeth Pagos <ellehollinger wrote:Dear Vegetarians... Thank you for the invitation to your group! My name is Elizabeth and I'm an 19-year-old college student in New England. I went vegetarian over night about a year ago and I soon decided to transition to veganism. I'm currently working on becoming a vegan raw foodist (you can tell I am quite the purist!), but this is the hardest transition so far! Has anyone else toyed with raw foodism? Anyway, I enjoy most things I try, especially outdoor activities. My favorite book is The Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley and my favorite films are Monty Python and the Holy Grail and the Lord of the Rings films. I'm studying art history in college, and I liked to become a Waldorf school teacher one day. I look forward to our discussions. Cheerio, Elizabeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 14, 2003 welcome and greetings jan.. Jan Bennicoff <JBennicoff wrote: >Hi!!! I am a new member. I am a writer/ singer/artist who does Tai chi and >yoga. Hope to have some good chats and exchange recipes. > >Jan > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2003 Im new to welcome. Steve --- EBbrewpunx wrote: > welcome and greetings jan.. > > Jan Bennicoff <JBennicoff wrote: > > >Hi!!! I am a new member. I am a writer/ > singer/artist who does Tai chi and > >yoga. Hope to have some good chats and exchange > recipes. > > > >Jan > > > > > >To send an email to > - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 15, 2003 Welcome, Jan! Nice to have you along. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- Jan Bennicoff <JBennicoff new member Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:53:10 -0600 Hi!!! I am a new member. I am a writer/ singer/artist who does Tai chi and yoga. Hope to have some good chats and exchange recipes. Jan " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 16, 2003 Hi Jan and Steve. Welcome to the list. Jo > Im new to welcome. > Steve > --- EBbrewpunx wrote: > > welcome and greetings jan.. > > > > Jan Bennicoff <JBennicoff wrote: > > > > >Hi!!! I am a new member. I am a writer/ > > singer/artist who does Tai chi and > > >yoga. Hope to have some good chats and exchange > > recipes. > > > > > >Jan > > > > > > > > >To send an email to > > - > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 16, 2003 Welcome Jan, I am also an artist who does yoga. I hope you enjoy being here as much as I do. It is really a great forum for ideas and recipes as well as new ideas and current events. -Veronica Jan Bennicoff <JBennicoff wrote: Hi!!! I am a new member. I am a writer/ singer/artist who does Tai chi andyoga. Hope to have some good chats and exchange recipes.JanTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 17, 2003 Hi Jan and WELCOME! nikki Kind deeds begin with kind thoughts. Leo Tolstoy , Jan Bennicoff <JBennicoff@m...> wrote: > Hi!!! I am a new member. I am a writer/ singer/artist who does Tai chi and > yoga. Hope to have some good chats and exchange recipes. > > Jan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 18, 2003 Welcome to the group Charlie. i hope that snow isn't causing you guys too much trouble We've had no snow here this winter which is a shame because i love it. I only ever get a few inches here in the UK anyway. Anyway, i hope you enjoy it here and find our recipoes and discussion useful, Laura Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 18, 2003 --- veggiegirl80 <no_reply > wrote: > Hello All. I just joined. I am a vegetarian (I eat > seafood, eggs, > and dairy) but I am interested in eating raw > foods... Please > enlighten me! I am open to new ideas and foods to > try! I am not > the best cook, so maybe raw can work for me! I > feel myself eating > more these days! UGH. So I do want to lose some > weight! > > Love and BEElief, > Stephanie > www.marykay.com/slee40 > > > I'm about 80% t0 90% raw and I have been VEGAN for over 2 years. That was my problem I keep gaining weight, I guess not enough exercise and too many carbs. Main thing is to keep it simple but try to get different combinations of ingredients so it is not boring. I also juice alot of vegeables and raw is filling. Steve Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 19, 2003 I also juice alot of vegeables and raw is filling. __ AaaHaaAAA! we may have the source ot the weight gain. Please read all 4 pages of this comprehensive article: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm rusty - vegan man rawfood Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:54 PM Re: [Raw Food] New Member --- veggiegirl80 <no_reply > wrote: > Hello All. I just joined. I am a vegetarian (I eat > seafood, eggs, > and dairy) but I am interested in eating raw > foods... Please > enlighten me! I am open to new ideas and foods to > try! I am not > the best cook, so maybe raw can work for me! I > feel myself eating > more these days! UGH. So I do want to lose some > weight! > > Love and BEElief, > Stephanie > www.marykay.com/slee40 > > > I'm about 80% t0 90% raw and I have been VEGAN for over 2 years. That was my problem I keep gaining weight, I guess not enough exercise and too many carbs. Main thing is to keep it simple but try to get different combinations of ingredients so it is not boring. I also juice alot of vegeables and raw is filling. Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2003 Agreed! The first time I tried it I nearly gagged. A few years later, a better cook than I was showed me that when prepared differently, it can be quite good. So I wouldn't give up yet, try a few other ways of preparing it before x-ing it off for good. DaveO angorakitty34 <angorakitty34 [angorakitty34] >>...none of that tofu stuff..lol Sorry, but I've tried it and it's aweful stuff.<< Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2003 welcome and congrats on the return mint faerie fraggle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2003 Hello Mint Faery (love the name) - welcome to the list. Jo > I just wanted to stop by and say " hi " to everyone. This is my first > day back as a Vegan. I was Vegan for two years before switching over > to Vegetarian (for two years) and I want to go back to being Vegan. > I could use a few words of encouragement today if anyone would care > to share some. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2003 Hi MintFaery > I just wanted to stop by and say " hi " to everyone. This is my first > day back as a Vegan. I was Vegan for two years before switching over > to Vegetarian (for two years) and I want to go back to being Vegan. Welcom back to veganism, and welcome to ! > I could use a few words of encouragement today if anyone would care > to share some. What can I say - good decision :-) Keep it up! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2003 Hi Mint Faery, I think you have made a brilliant decision in returning to a cruelty free lifestyle and I hope you are feeling really good about yourself! If you don't mind me asking, why did you switch to veggie and why back to vegan? I think what you did yesterday is a wonderful gift to all animals and the environment and it's also very strong of you to put your habits aside for their well being. Respect to you! mint_faery <ahinkson wrote: Hello,I just wanted to stop by and say "hi" to everyone. This is my first day back as a Vegan. I was Vegan for two years before switching over to Vegetarian (for two years) and I want to go back to being Vegan. I could use a few words of encouragement today if anyone would care to share some.Thanks,MintFaeryTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2003 Thanks Peter, Just having is a real lift. Minty -- In , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi MintFaery > > > I just wanted to stop by and say " hi " to everyone. This is my first > > day back as a Vegan. I was Vegan for two years before switching over > > to Vegetarian (for two years) and I want to go back to being Vegan. > > Welcom back to veganism, and welcome to ! > > > I could use a few words of encouragement today if anyone would care > > to share some. > > What can I say - good decision :-) Keep it up! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 13, 2003 Hi MintFaery and welcome! What is your biggest struggle in Veganism? Maybe we can all help not only in encouragement, but find ways to get you through it. As for me, I thank you for helping us make the world a better place with a lot les suffering. We humans have a long way to go, but one person truly does make a difference! nikki Happiness rejuvenates and sadness ages. Latin quote , " mint_faery " <ahinkson@p...> wrote: > Hello, > > I just wanted to stop by and say " hi " to everyone. This is my first > day back as a Vegan. I was Vegan for two years before switching over > to Vegetarian (for two years) and I want to go back to being Vegan. > I could use a few words of encouragement today if anyone would care > to share some. > > Thanks, > > MintFaery Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Hi Nicole! I'm new too. Laurie > " nicmctosh " <nicmctosh > > > new member >Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:07:37 -0000 > >Hi there > >My name is Nicole. I've just joined up and need some inspiration. My >husband is a lacto-ovo vegetarian, and the rest of us (me, 3 1/2 >year old and another due soon) eat the same at home, and >occasionally meat if we eat out. oh - and we all eat fish, so we're >not really vegetarian at all!!! > >Over here (Australia), we're coming into winter, and I find it the >hardest season to not eat meat. I miss the hearty casseroles etc. >Yes - I do make the same kind of thing using beans, lentils etc, but >would like some fresh ideas and inspiration. > > > > > >contact owner: -owner >Mail list: >Delivered-mailing list >List-Un: - > >no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowed >contact owner with complaints regarding posting/list >or anything else. Thank you. >please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Warm welcome, Ronda. I am glad you decided to check us out. We aren't too wild. *lol* I am in Oregon, too. I love it out here in the west. I am way down in the southern part, how about yourself? Thanks for the recipe, it sounds great. I make every effort to put all the shared recipes into our file section. If you haven't yet, do go check in there if you ever want an idea for something good to eat. Good to have you with us. ~ PT ~ Instant opinion is an oxymoron.Ê You don't get real opinions in an instant.Ê You get reactions. ~ Ellen Goodman ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> , Ronda <treebelly> wrote: > Hi! Thanks for inviting me to this group! I had to go look up the word " feral " before I joined tho - as it sounded rather vicious and I'm rather a peaceful girl. I like the definition I found.... feral: having escaped from domestication and become wild. Sounds like fun! I'm Ronda from Oregon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2003 In a message dated 4/21/03 1:22:22 AM, liz_doxtator writes: << Hi - I'm a new member to this group. My name is Liz Doxtator- Morenberg, and I have 4 kids and a disabled husband to take care of. Recently I discovered that I can't have dairy products, and I am making the concious decision to cut meat out of everyone's diets. I am looking forward to meeting everyone and reading your posts. Liz D-M >> Welcome to the group, Liz- I'm Matthew McCormick, livin' in SW Michigan, also vegan...there's a great website-vegan.com, also several newsgroups about vegan stuff(as you probably already know!). Actually, My big question, as I have a crockpot that's about to die...Anybody know of a great, sturdy, reliable crockpot-one that might be known as the landrover of crockpots? I'm in the market. Matthew McCormick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2003 welcome Liz! please look in our archives as well for lots of great recipes!!!!!!! *hugs* cherrie - liz_doxtator Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:21 PM New Member Hi - I'm a new member to this group. My name is Liz Doxtator-Morenberg, and I have 4 kids and a disabled husband to take care of. Recently I discovered that I can't have dairy products, and I am making the concious decision to cut meat out of everyone's diets. I am looking forward to meeting everyone and reading your posts.Liz D-M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 22, 2003 welcome laura! i too am fairly new to the veggie thing...well, i've never really eaten much meat, but giving up dairy is my new thing. i also live with a " meat and potatoes " hubby who sometimes thinks i'm out of my mind with what i eat. but, i think that he is closer to being a veggie than he thinks...for example, last night, we had veggie wraps for dinner and when he finished his, he said, " mmm, delicious! " he will eat anything that i put in front of him and i very rarely cook meat for him. he never complains. but, i've got an 11 month old daughter that i'm hoping to raise veggie and i worry that i will have conflict with hubby about that. i guess we'll see. just keep experimenting with different things. that's what i do. in fact, if your kids like mac and cheese, let me know because i've got good recipe for that using tofu and soy cheese. i even got my hubby to eat it. blessings to you all, erin progressive7862 <allens717 Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:09 AM New member Hi everyone! I'm new here, also to being a vegetarian. Been thinking about it for several years, finally did it for the new year. My family has not joined me yet, I'm hoping to get some ideas on how to help them make the move. I live with a husband, 2 small children (4 and 6) and a mother-in-law. All are very fond of their meat and milk. Finding recipes that the kids like is quite a challenge. So far, they only like bean burrito type things. I often feel like an alien in my own home, so it will be a real pleasure to get to know some like-minded people! Peace, Laura Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2003 Hi Jani, From the valleys vegan of South Wales. welcome to the group hope you enjoy your stay..... Pete H. > Hi all, > > Just as an intro, I'm Jani & been a vegan for 8+yrs, before that I was vegetarian for 12 yrs. >Look forward to chatting about all things vegan whether light-hearted or something to get my teeth into. > >Bye for now Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
