New Member

[Guest guest]

just speak yer mind here!

just as long as we aren't mean to eachh other, peter is pretty open with us!!!

welcome!!!

fraggle

 

" cynthiakg21701 " <gadfly50 wrote:

 

>Thanks, sweetie.  I had already been flamed once by a newsletter

>editor about this very thing, and as a result, I was afraid to raise

>my little head and say " hi " .  Thanks for making me feel more at home.

>Cynthia

>

>

>, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>>

>> doesn't matter why you went vegan, its that you are doingn it, and

>thats that!@!!

>> good luck!

>> fraggle

>>

>> " cynthiakg21701 " <gadfly50@a...> wrote:

>>

>> >I recently changed to a vegan diet and things are going

>wonderfully.  

>> >Unfortunately, some might think I am less of a vegan because I

>> >changed over for health reasons and not animal rights reasons, but

>> >the effect is the same.  No meats or Dairy of any kind seems to

>work

>> >great for me, with emphasis on the fruits and legumes.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >To send an email to -

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, Maggie,

 

> i'm presently a student in a liberal arts college, and am

> relishing the fact that i don't have to worry just yet about the

fact

> that i'll never be able to get a real job, ever.

 

Welcome. So you are a history major (or English lit?)? :-)

i'm presently on

> summer vacation, the highlight of which has been the kitchen my

mother

> keeps fully stocked for me to play around in.

 

I would keep a kitchen fully stocked if someone would cook for me.

 

> i'm especially fond of thai, vietnamese, indian and middle eastern

> foods,

 

Can you do a Vietnamese meatless noodle soup that tastes like Pho?

(If so, please tell me how.)

 

Again, welcome,

Max

 

> maggie

>

>

>

> - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup

> http://fifaworldcup.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lauri,

There are a lot of good crock pot sites online with

both veg and non-veg recipes, here's one I like:

http://www.crockerykitchen.com/

Also, one of my favorite dishes is Cheesy Crockpot

Spinach (of course you have to like spinach!) My kids

love this and you can use low fat cheese and egg

substitute:

 

Cheesy Crockpot Spinach

 

2 packages (10 ounces each) frozen chopped spinach,

thawed and well

drained

2 cups (16 ounces) small-curd cottage cheese

1 1/2 cups cheese (cheddar or processed American

cheese)

3 eggs, lightly beaten

1/4 cup margarine, cubed

1/4 cup flour

1 tsp. salt

 

Sally

 

--- Lauri Holmes <laurikathleen wrote:

> Hi, my name is Lauri. I'm a single mom of 3. I am

> disabled and can't stand for long, so I am always on

> the lookout for crockpot and other one-pot-type

> meals. I have been eating more and more vegetarian

> meals in an effort to cut the fat in my diet. I

> don't have any favorite vegetarian crockpot recipes

> as yet, but joined the group in order to get ideas

> from you all.

>

> Just a note: I like tofu; but my kids do not. I love

> beans; but my kids say, " Yuck. " Any suggustions?

>

> Thanks,

> Lauri

> beakmom

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

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This sounds good. How long do you usually cook it?

Lauri

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Sally

Sunday, July 14, 2002 9:24 AM

Re: new member

 

 

Hi Lauri,

There are a lot of good crock pot sites online with

both veg and non-veg recipes, here's one I like:

http://www.crockerykitchen.com/

Also, one of my favorite dishes is Cheesy Crockpot

Spinach (of course you have to like spinach!) My kids

love this and you can use low fat cheese and egg

substitute:

 

Cheesy Crockpot Spinach

 

2 packages (10 ounces each) frozen chopped spinach,

thawed and well

drained

2 cups (16 ounces) small-curd cottage cheese

1 1/2 cups cheese (cheddar or processed American

cheese)

3 eggs, lightly beaten

1/4 cup margarine, cubed

1/4 cup flour

1 tsp. salt

 

Sally

 

--- Lauri Holmes <laurikathleen wrote:

> Hi, my name is Lauri. I'm a single mom of 3. I am

> disabled and can't stand for long, so I am always on

> the lookout for crockpot and other one-pot-type

> meals. I have been eating more and more vegetarian

> meals in an effort to cut the fat in my diet. I

> don't have any favorite vegetarian crockpot recipes

> as yet, but joined the group in order to get ideas

> from you all.

>

> Just a note: I like tofu; but my kids do not. I love

> beans; but my kids say, " Yuck. " Any suggustions?

>

> Thanks,

> Lauri

> beakmom

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

=====

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bitterness, ignorance, smallness, or insecurities,

remember, things could be worse - you could be them.

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[Guest guest]

I would like to know to please

 

Hugs, Nash

-

Lauri Holmes

Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:30 AM

Re: new member

 

 

This sounds good. How long do you usually cook it?

Lauri

-

Sally

Sunday, July 14, 2002 9:24 AM

Re: new member

 

 

Hi Lauri,

There are a lot of good crock pot sites online with

both veg and non-veg recipes, here's one I like:

http://www.crockerykitchen.com/

Also, one of my favorite dishes is Cheesy Crockpot

Spinach (of course you have to like spinach!) My kids

love this and you can use low fat cheese and egg

substitute:

 

Cheesy Crockpot Spinach

 

2 packages (10 ounces each) frozen chopped spinach,

thawed and well

drained

2 cups (16 ounces) small-curd cottage cheese

1 1/2 cups cheese (cheddar or processed American

cheese)

3 eggs, lightly beaten

1/4 cup margarine, cubed

1/4 cup flour

1 tsp. salt

 

Sally

 

--- Lauri Holmes <laurikathleen wrote:

> Hi, my name is Lauri. I'm a single mom of 3. I am

> disabled and can't stand for long, so I am always on

> the lookout for crockpot and other one-pot-type

> meals. I have been eating more and more vegetarian

> meals in an effort to cut the fat in my diet. I

> don't have any favorite vegetarian crockpot recipes

> as yet, but joined the group in order to get ideas

> from you all.

>

> Just a note: I like tofu; but my kids do not. I love

> beans; but my kids say, " Yuck. " Any suggustions?

>

> Thanks,

> Lauri

> beakmom

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

=====

When you find yourself the victim of other people's

bitterness, ignorance, smallness, or insecurities,

remember, things could be worse - you could be them.

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[Guest guest]

I'm in the process of putting together a list of a week of meals (from

" being vegetairan for dummies) for my own vegetarian list. I'll post that

here soon as I get done with my own list. Hoefully that'll give your hubby

some ideas. :-)

 

Megan

 

-

" blueyasho " <yasho

 

Sunday, August 25, 2002 12:04 PM

New member

 

 

> Hi,

>

> I just d to the group and wanted to say hello to all.

> I live in Belgium (Europe). I am coming back to the vegetarian

> lifestyle. As I am disabled and cannot cook myself I am in need of

> some easy and quick recipes that my husband can prepare for me (he

> has very little time but is willing to try).

>

> I'll have a look at the archives so as not to ask something that has

> already been posted.

>

> Bye for now,

>

> Yasho

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

, " blueyasho " <yasho@z...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I just d to the group and wanted to say hello to all.....

 

> Yasho

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Welcome Yasho! *s*

 

~ P_T ~

[Guest guest]

>> I don't like meat and I have been eating a small bit just to make sure I get enough protein <<

 

Cottage cheese has a lot of protein in it. I like it on tomates or fruit. You can also use it in dishes like lasagna, but use it instead of the ricotta.

 

Jennifer

[Guest guest]

Jennifer,

When I was a kid I had cottage cheese with fruit a lot as a

summer/spring lunch...mmmm. My mom makes an awesome cheese lasagne

using cottage cheese and it always get compliments, even from the

meat-eating family members at gatherings. I guess I just forgot

about cottage cheese. Thanks for the reminder

Elizabeth

 

 

, " Jennifer Smith " <oldbones@r...> wrote:

> >> I don't like meat and I have been eating a

> small bit just to make sure I get enough protein <<

>

> Cottage cheese has a lot of protein in it. I like it on tomates or

fruit.

> You can also use it in dishes like lasagna, but use it instead of

the

> ricotta.

>

> Jennifer

[Guest guest]

Welcome Amanda. This is a great group with really supportive members. (Whom the majority also have some sort of carnivore living in the clan! We just adapt! grin) They have been a great source of information, especially in recipes, food products and ideas.

With kindness,

beth

Amanda Vella <a_vella79 wrote:

Hi all,my name is amanda and i live in sydney, australia. i have been a veg for 4 years and an currently trying to raise my daughter (1year old) in the same way, without much support. her father is the biggest carnivore ever! we are an unmarried, attachment parenting family and we are forever at odds when it comes to dinner time! glad to be here,love amandacontact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list

[Guest guest]

Warm welcomes to you, Caroline. I look forward to reading more posts

from

you; especially any that are yoda-esque.

 

Thank you for joining us and dropping by to introduce yourself.

 

~ P_T ~

~~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~>

 

, " CarolineBurford <

carolineburford> " <carolineburford> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I just wanted to introduce myself quickly.

>

> I live in the UK, fairly near Oxford, and I have been a vegetarian

> for 9 years now. As I was quite young when I became, veggie, I have

> never cooked with meat or meat products, so I don't miss it, and

have

> always had to carefully what goes into my recipes.......

>

> I really look forward to seeing the recipes on the list and having

a

> chat about veggie `issues'.

>

> Oh, and I'm dyslexic so expect the occasional interestingly spelt

> word and yoda-esk sentence structure.

>

> Caroline

[Guest guest]

Hi Christie

 

> Hello everyone- just introducing myself!

> I'm Christie

 

Welcome! Feel free to join in at any time :-)

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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welcome and salutations christie

tell us a lil about yerself please!!

fraggle

 

 

" Christie <caving20 " <caving20 wrote:

 

>Hello everyone- just introducing myself!

>I'm Christie

>

>

>To send an email to -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Christie

 

Welcome to the list - Merry Yule/Christmas.

 

Jo

-

<caving20

 

Tuesday, December 24, 2002 5:35 PM

new member

 

 

> Hello everyone- just introducing myself!

> I'm Christie

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Christie and Welcome!

 

Please tell us a bit about yerself!

 

nikki

Things we do not expect, happen more frequently than we wish.

Plautus

 

 

, " Christie <caving20@h...> "

<caving20@h...> wrote:

> Hello everyone- just introducing myself!

> I'm Christie

[Guest guest]

Right on!

 

Warmly,

Allison

 

--- Ron McClure <rlmftw wrote:

> Hi, Group:

>

> I am 59 years old. I've been a " normal person "

> until

> recently, when I had a hypoglycemic episode that

> scared me enough to take a look at my general

> health.

> I realized that I'm a normal weight, eat a normal

> diet, and have normal health--for my age--which

> scares

> me to death!

>

> In my opinion, the average American is overweight,

> sedentary, hypertensive, prediabetic, and suffers

> from

> cardiovascular disease(s), which are painless--the

> first symptom frequently being sudden death. In my

> opinion, the average American is a chronic,

> degenerative disease waiting to happen.

>

> So I would like to talk about diet, but I believe

> that

> I am interested in more than just losing weight.

> I'm

> interested in overall health and wellness. I'm

> interested in renouncing the Western diet and

> sedentary lifestyle, which is associated with some

> 20-30 chronic, degenerative diseases pandemic in the

> US society.

>

> Is this group for just losing weight? How is a

> recipe

> going to solve my problem? I believe that my

> problem

> has something to do with selfishness,

> self-gratification; the desire for pleasure,

> comfort,

> recreation manifested as food. What I need is a

> psychic change and a lifestyle change--not a new

> recipe.

>

> Ron McClure

>

>

>

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> now.

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[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group Ron. I do hope that you will find it useful.

I am sorry that you are not in best health and do hope that you are

able to do something about this.

In answer to your question " Is the group just about losing weight? "

 

It can be about whatever we make it, as it is new. I'm hoping

that it will not just be about losing weight but also about

following a healthy lifestyle generally and everything associated

with it. This includes the emotional and cognitive aspects you

talked about such as overcoming selfishness,and the need for self-

gratification. Being able to gain pleasure, comfort, and recreation

from elsewhere. In a way i'm hoping groups members will offer

support to each other and help in gaining motivation to change those

aspects of our lifestyle which maybe making us unwell or unhappy.

The prime focus of the group is slimming and/or becoming more

healthy while maintaining a vegetarian diet. However, there is also

room for discussing more broader aspects of lifestyle, this is not

just a recipe forum.

 

I hope this has answered your questions Ron. Feel free to discuss

anything related to the topics you discussed in the forum here, and

i wish you good health for the future,

 

Laura x

 

, Ron McClure <rlmftw>

wrote:

> Hi, Group:

>

> I am 59 years old. I've been a " normal person " until

> recently, when I had a hypoglycemic episode that

> scared me enough to take a look at my general health.

> I realized that I'm a normal weight, eat a normal

> diet, and have normal health--for my age--which scares

> me to death!

>

> In my opinion, the average American is overweight,

> sedentary, hypertensive, prediabetic, and suffers from

> cardiovascular disease(s), which are painless--the

> first symptom frequently being sudden death. In my

> opinion, the average American is a chronic,

> degenerative disease waiting to happen.

>

> So I would like to talk about diet, but I believe that

> I am interested in more than just losing weight. I'm

> interested in overall health and wellness. I'm

> interested in renouncing the Western diet and

> sedentary lifestyle, which is associated with some

> 20-30 chronic, degenerative diseases pandemic in the

> US society.

>

> Is this group for just losing weight? How is a recipe

> going to solve my problem? I believe that my problem

> has something to do with selfishness,

> self-gratification; the desire for pleasure, comfort,

> recreation manifested as food. What I need is a

> psychic change and a lifestyle change--not a new

> recipe.

>

> Ron McClure

>

>

>

> Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.

> http://mailplus.

[Guest guest]

****Ron McClure wrote...

>>I am 59 years old. I've been a " normal person "

Until recently, when I had a hypoglycemic episode...

I'm a normal weight, eat a normal diet, and have

normal health--for my age--which scares me to death!<<

 

Here's my stats for you to compare. I'm 57, 5'-9 " , and weight 171 lbs.

I've been veggie for 20+ yrs. I have excellent health, minimal grey hair,

great memory, and a high energy level. I jog three miles in 31 minutes

without getting winded, and I just took up rollerblading. I'm the oldest of

6 siblings, yet today I'm questioned about being the youngest. I'm only one

of many examples that " we are what we eat " and ultimately also " what we

think. "

 

Let me also add, there are many " truths " out there, pick one and make it

your own regardless of what anyone else says about it.

 

 

>>...the average American is overweight, sedentary,

hypertensive, prediabetic, and suffers from

cardiovascular disease(s)...<<

 

I'd add only one thing here. This is more prevalent in people over 35 or

40. The young have no clue about the remarkable regenerative capabilities

of their youth. If only I knew then what I know now!!

 

 

>>...problem has...to do with selfishness,

self-gratification; the desire for pleasure,

comfort, recreation manifested as food. What

I need is a psychic change and a lifestyle

change--not a new recipe.<<

 

Hehe!! What do you really feel, Ron?

 

I agree with much of your email. Facing oneself with total honesty is a

first step in what we all seek. Been there, done that, and I must say it's

a terribly tough situation to be in, when the world around us is beating a

different drum--one which supports the unhealthy ideas and lifestyle you

mention.

 

I look forward to hearing more from you.

 

Dave

[Guest guest]

I'm an ovo-lacto vegetarian for over 15 years. My husband (also veg) go

vegan every year for lent. We also use soy mayonnaise, rice milk, egg

replacer, etc. We don't buy eggs but do eat products with eggs in it. We

also eat cheese like on pizza. I was vegan for 9 months once but it can be

very hard working in an office and having meetings. It's bad enough trying

to get a cheese sandwich!

 

Tonight for dinner we had salad, grilled portabella mushrooms, mashed

potatoes and steamed broccoli.

 

Laura

 

> What kind of " vegetarian " are you?

>

> Rose

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

" Rose <chopin43@h...> " <chopin43@h...> wrote:

> I was brought up on meals based around meat and never learned how to

> cook vegetables other than opening a can of green beans or corn to

> supplement our dinners of steak or chicken.

I was brought up on meals made around meat as well, but fortunately my father was insistent that we have at least 2 green vegetables/meal, as well as something orange/yellow. So, in addition to daily salads, we had veggies (mostly from a can, and/or boiled to death though). I never much liked the taste of most meat, so I’m glad dad was adamant about the veggies. He was also a fan of whole grains, so we had a lot of that as well. It wasn’t particularly difficult for me to give up meat, since I already had a sense of what else I could eat. I’ve gone vegetarian a few times in the past, but gotten sick (anemia and protein deficiency, generally), because I didn’t do it well. This time I’m doing it right, and feeling wonderful J

> What kind of " vegetarian " are you?

Ovo-lacto. I’m not ready to give up dairy, and I eat too many things with eggs in them (though I don’t actually cook and eat eggs on their own). I’d have to give up baking if I gave up eggs!

Welcome Rose. Btw, there is also a 2 list, where many people have migrated to, after some recent bouts with spam and trolls. The moderater here appears to be absent, so there was no way to deal with those things. 2 if you’re interested. is also a great group, and would likely be quite helpful to you as well. Lots of the same people, just a bit of a different flavour/culture.

--

Sherri

Having given up my search for the truth as hopeless, I am now looking for a few good fantasies...

[Guest guest]

IM NOT A TROLL sherri!!!! I alway thought Ovo-lacto veggies, didn't eat eggs or milk? Anytime I fly, if I put down Ovo-lacto, I miss out on yogurts, chocolate and cheese on the plane and I'm given dry rice cakes in stead ;o(

Whereas if I just say I'm veggie, I get all the nice things like Lindt Chocolate. ;o)

Tracey

Sherri <sherria wrote:

 

 

"Rose <chopin43@h...>" <chopin43@h...> wrote:

> I was brought up on meals based around meat and never learned how to

> cook vegetables other than opening a can of green beans or corn to

> supplement our dinners of steak or chicken.

I was brought up on meals made around meat as well, but fortunately my father was insistent that we have at least 2 green vegetables/meal, as well as something orange/yellow. So, in addition to daily salads, we had veggies (mostly from a can, and/or boiled to death though). I never much liked the taste of most meat, so I’m glad dad was adamant about the veggies. He was also a fan of whole grains, so we had a lot of that as well. It wasn’t particularly difficult for me to give up meat, since I already had a sense of what else I could eat. I’ve gone vegetarian a few times in the past, but gotten sick (anemia and protein deficiency, generally), because I didn’t do it well. This time I’m doing it right, and feeling wonderful J

> What kind of "vegetarian" are you?

Ovo-lacto. I’m not ready to give up dairy, and I eat too many things with eggs in them (though I don’t actually cook and eat eggs on their own). I’d have to give up baking if I gave up eggs!

Welcome Rose. Btw, there is also a 2 list, where many people have migrated to, after some recent bouts with spam and trolls. The moderater here appears to be absent, so there was no way to deal with those things. 2 if you’re interested. is also a great group, and would likely be quite helpful to you as well. Lots of the same people, just a bit of a different flavour/culture.

--

Sherri

Having given up my search for the truth as hopeless, I am now looking for a few good fantasies...

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sherri. I'll check out those groups. It's too bad some people

have to ruin these message boards....oh well.

 

Rose

 

 

 

, Sherri <sherria@o...> wrote:

> " Rose <chopin43@h...> " <chopin43@h...> wrote:

> > I was brought up on meals based around meat and never learned how

to

> > cook vegetables other than opening a can of green beans or corn to

> > supplement our dinners of steak or chicken.

>

> I was brought up on meals made around meat as well, but fortunately

my

> father was insistent that we have at least 2 green vegetables/meal,

as

> well as something orange/yellow. So, in addition to daily salads,

we

> had veggies (mostly from a can, and/or boiled to death though). I

never

> much liked the taste of most meat, so I'm glad dad was adamant about

the

> veggies. He was also a fan of whole grains, so we had a lot of that

as

> well. It wasn't particularly difficult for me to give up meat,

since I

> already had a sense of what else I could eat. I've gone vegetarian

a

> few times in the past, but gotten sick (anemia and protein

deficiency,

> generally), because I didn't do it well. This time I'm doing it

right,

> and feeling wonderful :-)

>

> > What kind of " vegetarian " are you?

>

> Ovo-lacto. I'm not ready to give up dairy, and I eat too many

things

> with eggs in them (though I don't actually cook and eat eggs on

their

> own). I'd have to give up baking if I gave up eggs!

>

> Welcome Rose. Btw, there is also a 2 list, where

many

> people have migrated to, after some recent bouts with spam and

trolls.

> The moderater here appears to be absent, so there was no way to deal

> with those things. 2

if

> you're interested.

is

> also a great group, and would likely be quite helpful to you as

well.

> Lots of the same people, just a bit of a different flavour/culture.

>

> --

> Sherri

>

> Having given up my search for the truth as hopeless, I am now

looking

> for a few good fantasies...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01/21/2003 4:02:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, an_irish_vegetarian writes:

 

 

I alway thought Ovo-lacto veggies, didn't eat eggs or milk? Anytime I fly, if I put down Ovo-lacto, I miss out on yogurts, chocolate and cheese on the plane and I'm given dry rice cakes in stead ;o(

 

This is just hit or miss since I'm skipping around reading my posts but I've considered myself lacto/ovo meaning I do eat dairy and eggs. Vegans would be the ones who refrain from any animal products. Sounds like the airline needs a lesson or two. Robin in NC

[Guest guest]

What DO airlines serve for vegans and/or vegetarians? Just curious.

We're flying in June and I'm going to request a vegetarian meal.

Also, which airline is the best for serving the best veg. meals?

 

Rose

 

, rwhitt1212@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 01/21/2003 4:02:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> an_irish_vegetarian writes:

>

>

> > I alway thought Ovo-lacto veggies, didn't eat eggs or milk?

Anytime I fly,

> > if I put down Ovo-lacto, I miss out on yogurts, chocolate and

cheese on the

> >

>

> This is just hit or miss since I'm skipping around reading my

posts but I've

> considered myself lacto/ovo meaning I do eat dairy and eggs.

Vegans would be

> the ones who refrain from any animal products.

> Sounds like the airline needs a lesson or two. Robin in NC

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:49:12 -0000, you wrote:

 

Hi Rose,

 

>I posted this question on another board but would like to hear your

>comments: Is soy dangerous? I've read that the estrogren found in soy

>can cause cancer and that the processing of soy is almost as

>unhealthy

>as dairy.

 

As a new vegetarian, you'll see lots and lots of conflicting

information floating around. You have to develop a sense of

balance, and be able to sift through the various claims

yourself.

 

Let's think about soy foods.

 

Now, we have a *wonderful* experiment involving soy foods.

 

Billions (literally billions) of people have relied on soy

foods as one of their chief protein sources for many

hundreds of years. Those people live in China, Japan, and

other Asian countries. They have done fine for many

hundreds of years. This establishes the safety of soy foods

as part of a balanced diet - for ME, me personally. You can

judge for yourself.

 

But I can tell you that modern medicine has NO studies

involving this many people for this long a time. None. Not

even close.

 

There have been a bunch of recent studies involving soymilk

as being the sole food of infants and young children - NOT a

good idea. It's injurious to their health. These studies

have been discussed *and distorted* all over the place.

 

As to estrogen being 'dangerous' - everything is 'dangerous'

in the wrong circumstances. Estrogen is a natural hormone,

necessary. Too much or the wrong kind could be dangerous,

I'm sure - such as the hormones given to menopausal women to

'prevent heart disease' and now known to contribute to it.

 

Water is dangerous if you drink too much of it. Everything

has the potential of being 'dangerous'.

 

I don't accept that dairy foods are unhealthy, btw, and have

NEVER seen any hard evidence of this, any research, any

scientific studies. People 'say' they are. Well, people

say a lot of things.

 

Some people are lactose-intolerant and obviously dairy foods

are unhealthy for those people. Others are allergic to them

and therefore dairy foods would be unhealthy for them.

 

But again: human beings have consumed dairy foods for many

hundreds of years. Cows were first domesticated about 8000

years ago (I just finished a book entitled 'Guns, Germs, and

Steel' by Jared Diamond - fascinating book - largely about

the early use of plant foods and early domestication of

animals). So people have been eating dairy foods for about

8000 years.

 

Some people - in Africa and other places - are pastoralists

- roaming herdsmen: they follow their herds from place to

place where the grazing is good. These people live on dairy

foods as their main food source - they eat *almost nothing*

else, except occasional meat. They are healthy. They are

more adapted to doing this - no doubt - from the thousands

of years they have done so. But they are human beings, the

same species as you and I. If we met them, we could

interbreed and have fertile offspring (this is what

determines - basically - what a species is).

 

So I am totally not convinced that dairy foods - especially

lower fat dairy foods - are unhealthy. I've seen an awful

lot of sheer nonsense proclaiming them unhealthy, but never

any convincing theories as to why they should be unhealthy

and never any evidence whatsoever.

 

If you were *really* referring to the antibiotics put in

cows' feed in the USA, that's a different story. Yes, I

believe that's a highly unhealthy practice and it can be

dangerous - probably not only to certain individuals but to

our population as a whole, as I believe it contributes

towards bacteria becoming antibiotic resistant.

 

Pat

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