Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Thanks Bhaskar ji....how stupid of me ( blessings, Renu , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > MM is Marilyn Monroe > > , " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Neelam ji....I understand now. But who is MM? > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > In Yogananda's chart, Jupiter and Mars are in Pisces! Own house for Jupiter > > > and friends house for Mars. And you know what Pisces means, right! Most of > > > the planets in satwik signs! Compare that with MM and you'll see the > > > difference! He treaded on a different path altogether! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 21:15, renunw <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > Nice to see you active again:) > > > > > > > > // Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can > > > > protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both > > > > are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > > > > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of > > > > the individual.// > > > > > > > > In Paramahamsa Yogananda's natal chart, his 9L is in 8H. 5L and 9L are in > > > > 8H. > > > > > > > > But he achieved so much above a normal human being and only a person with a > > > > good deal of past life merits could have reached that status. So how can we > > > > justify the above mentioned by you? Is it because his LL Sun & 2/11L Mercury > > > > is in the 5H, giving strength to 5H? > > > > > > > > Hope you will explain... > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Neelam Ji, > > > > > > > > > > She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or > > > > drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has > > > > gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else > > > > it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house > > > > lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be > > > > strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > > > > > > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of > > > > the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of > > > > opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable > > > > consequences. > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > > > > > Re: Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide > > > > or overdose of barbiturates. > > > > > Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > > > > > > > > //Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded > > > > cause of death as " acute barbiturate poisoning, " resulting from a " probable > > > > suicide " . Many theories, including murder, circulated about the > > > > circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some > > > > conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories > > > > suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > > > > > > > > > > >Only the strong can commit suicides. > > > > > > > > > > > >They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > > > > > >with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > > > > > >members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > > > > > >them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > > > > > >needs guts to kill himself. > > > > > > > > > > > >Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > > > > > >have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > > > > > >take such a major step in Life. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a > > > > > >darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > > > > > >romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > > > > > > > > > > > >regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > ><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the > > > > > >> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > > > > > >> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot > > > > > >> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > > > > > >has > > > > > >> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Bhaskar. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > > > > >> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Marilyn Monroe ? > > > > > >> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the only > > > > > >> thing associated with 8th house. > > > > > >> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > > > > > >> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > > > > > >> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > > > > > > > > > >> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > > > > > >antihero. > > > > > >> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > > > > > > > > > >> circumstances. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > >> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >  > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > > > > > >out > > > > > >> her life. > > > > > >> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > > > > > >in > > > > > >> 8H!! > > > > > >> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Regards > > > > > >> > Neelam > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Dear All, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > > > > > >> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > > > > > >> expecting some practical demos. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > > > > >> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > > > > > >> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > > > > > >and > > > > > >> scandals! > > > > > >> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are > > > > > >> made by the 8H. > > > > > >> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > > > > >> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > All comments are welcome! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Regards > > > > > >> > Neelam > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >  > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > > > > > >> >  > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > > > > > >> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > > > > > >that. > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > > > > > >> destruction. > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > >> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or PowerÃÆ'‚ and which > > > > > >> nobody want to see. > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > >> > > Indian Kachua > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > >> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Dear Freinds, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > > > > > >as > > > > > >> a > > > > > >> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since september > > > > > >> 2009 > > > > > >> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its > > > > > >> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > > > > > >> > > retrograde both. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > > > > > >> trikonas > > > > > >> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how > > > > > >> will > > > > > >> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > > > > > >will > > > > > >> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and > > > > > >do > > > > > >> not > > > > > >> > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested.. > > > > > >. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > best wishes, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Bhaskar. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Thanks Neelam ji ....it is going to be valuable in predictions:) blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Another important point Renu ji, > > 6/8/12 houses should have low SAV scores, otherwise all transiting planets > would keep dropping bombshells!! :-) > > Regards > Neelam > > > On 2 February 2010 21:38, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > In Yogananda's chart, Jupiter and Mars are in Pisces! Own house for Jupiter > > and friends house for Mars. And you know what Pisces means, right! Most of > > the planets in satwik signs! Compare that with MM and you'll see the > > difference! He treaded on a different path altogether! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 21:15, renunw <renunw wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Manoj ji, > >> > >> Nice to see you active again:) > >> > >> // Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can > >> protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both > >> are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > >> > >> 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of > >> the individual.// > >> > >> In Paramahamsa Yogananda's natal chart, his 9L is in 8H. 5L and 9L are in > >> 8H. > >> > >> But he achieved so much above a normal human being and only a person with > >> a good deal of past life merits could have reached that status. So how can > >> we justify the above mentioned by you? Is it because his LL Sun & 2/11L > >> Mercury is in the 5H, giving strength to 5H? > >> > >> Hope you will explain... > >> > >> blessings, > >> > >> Renu > >> > >> > >> --- In <%40.\ com>, > >> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Neelam Ji, > >> > > >> > She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or > >> drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has > >> gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else > >> it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house > >> lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be > >> strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > >> > > >> > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of > >> the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of > >> opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable > >> consequences. > >> > >> >  > >> > Regards, > >> >  -Manoj > >> >  > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > >> > >> > To: <%40.\ com> > >> > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > >> > Re: Re: House No. 8! > >> > > >> >  > >> > Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be > >> suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > >> > Nothing has been said with certainty. > >> > > >> > //Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded > >> cause of death as " acute barbiturate poisoning, " resulting from a " probable > >> suicide " . Many theories, including murder, circulated about the > >> circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some > >> conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories > >> suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Neelam > >> > > >> > > >> > On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >  > >> > > > >> > >Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > >> > > > >> > >Only the strong can commit suicides. > >> > > > >> > >They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > >> > >with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > >> > >members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > >> > >them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > >> > >needs guts to kill himself. > >> > > > >> > >Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > >> > >have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > >> > >take such a major step in Life. > >> > > > >> > >I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was > >> a > >> > >darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > >> > >romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > >> > > > >> > >regards/Bhaskar. > >> > > > >> > >ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > >> > > > >> > ><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > >> > >> > >> > >> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking > >> the > >> > >> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > >> > >> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One > >> cannot > >> > >> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > >> > >has > >> > >> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > >> > >> > >> > >> regards, > >> > >> > >> > >> Bhaskar. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > >> > >> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Marilyn Monroe ? > >> > >> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the only > >> > >> thing associated with 8th house. > >> > >> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > >> > >> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > >> > >> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > >> > >> > >> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > >> > >antihero. > >> > >> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > >> > >> > >> circumstances. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Chiranjiv Mehta > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > >> > >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >> > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > >> > >> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >  > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > >> > >out > >> > >> her life. > >> > >> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > >> > >in > >> > >> 8H!! > >> > >> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Regards > >> > >> > Neelam > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Dear All, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > >> > >> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > >> > >> expecting some practical demos. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > >> > >> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > >> > >> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > >> > >and > >> > >> scandals! > >> > >> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are > >> > >> made by the 8H. > >> > >> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > >> > >> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > All comments are welcome! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Regards > >> > >> > Neelam > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >  > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > >> > >> >  > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > >> > >> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > >> > >that. > >> > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > >> > >> destruction. > >> > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > >> > >> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or PowerÃÆ'‚ and which > >> > >> nobody want to see. > >> > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of > >> VRY > >> > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > >> > >> > >> > > Indian Kachua > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >> > >> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > ÃÆ'‚ > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Dear Freinds, > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > >> > >as > >> > >> a > >> > >> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since september > >> > >> 2009 > >> > >> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. > >> Its > >> > >> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > >> > >> > > retrograde both. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > >> > >> trikonas > >> > >> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and > >> how > >> > >> will > >> > >> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > >> > >will > >> > >> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and > >> > >do > >> > >> not > >> > >> > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not > >> interested.. > >> > >. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > best wishes, > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Bhaskar. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > >> > >> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 My stupidity Neelam ji....deserved to be mentioned twice (( blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > :-) Monroe Madame / /Marilyn Monroe! > > > > On 2 February 2010 21:44, renunw <renunw wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks Neelam ji....I understand now. But who is MM? > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > In Yogananda's chart, Jupiter and Mars are in Pisces! Own house for > > Jupiter > > > and friends house for Mars. And you know what Pisces means, right! Most > > of > > > the planets in satwik signs! Compare that with MM and you'll see the > > > difference! He treaded on a different path altogether! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 21:15, renunw <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > Nice to see you active again:) > > > > > > > > // Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who > > can > > > > protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here > > both > > > > are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > > > > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre > > of > > > > the individual.// > > > > > > > > In Paramahamsa Yogananda's natal chart, his 9L is in 8H. 5L and 9L are > > in > > > > 8H. > > > > > > > > But he achieved so much above a normal human being and only a person > > with a > > > > good deal of past life merits could have reached that status. So how > > can we > > > > justify the above mentioned by you? Is it because his LL Sun & 2/11L > > Mercury > > > > is in the 5H, giving strength to 5H? > > > > > > > > Hope you will explain... > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>, > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Neelam Ji, > > > > > > > > > > She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause > > (or > > > > drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L > > has > > > > gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or > > else > > > > it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two > > house > > > > lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to > > be > > > > strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre > > of > > > > the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, > > plenty of > > > > > > opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable > > > > consequences. > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > <%40> > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > > > > > Re: Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be > > suicide > > > > or overdose of barbiturates. > > > > > Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > > > > > > > > //Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office > > recorded > > > > cause of death as " acute barbiturate poisoning, " resulting from a > > " probable > > > > suicide " . Many theories, including murder, circulated about the > > > > circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. > > Some > > > > conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other > > theories > > > > suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > > > > > > > > > > >Only the strong can commit suicides. > > > > > > > > > > > >They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to > > cope > > > > > >with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > > > > > >members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to > > help > > > > > >them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. > > One > > > > > >needs guts to kill himself. > > > > > > > > > > > >Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One > > must > > > > > >have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order > > to > > > > > >take such a major step in Life. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who > > was a > > > > > >darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > > > > > >romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > > > > > > > > > > > >regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > ><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking > > the > > > > > >> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have > > got > > > > > >> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One > > cannot > > > > > >> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. > > He > > > > > >has > > > > > >> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Bhaskar. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv > > mehta > > > > > >> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Marilyn Monroe ? > > > > > >> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the > > only > > > > > >> thing associated with 8th house. > > > > > >> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am > > also > > > > > >> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > > > > > >> > Plus Indian KachuajiÃÆ'‚ is not expressingÃÆ'‚ VRY well. Its > > effects > > > > > > > > > > > >> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > > > > > >antihero. > > > > > >> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃÆ'‚ adverse > > > > > > > > > > > >> circumstances. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > >> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas > > through > > > > > >out > > > > > >> her life. > > > > > >> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and > > Jup > > > > > >in > > > > > >> 8H!! > > > > > >> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Regards > > > > > >> > Neelam > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > > gmail.com> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Dear All, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > > > > > >> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for > > and > > > > > >> expecting some practical demos. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > > > > >> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > > > > > >> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of > > secrets > > > > > >and > > > > > >> scandals! > > > > > >> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which > > are > > > > > >> made by the 8H. > > > > > >> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > > > > >> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > All comments are welcome! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Regards > > > > > >> > Neelam > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. > > in> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > This is rubbish talking andÃÆ'‚ not astrology. > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian > > Kachuaa > > > > > >> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > > > > > >that. > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > > > > > >> destruction. > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > >> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or > > PowerÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and which > > > > > >> nobody want to see. > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of > > VRY > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Indian Kachua > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > >> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Dear Freinds, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my > > Horoscope > > > > > >as > > > > > >> a > > > > > >> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since > > september > > > > > >> 2009 > > > > > >> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. > > Its > > > > > >> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated > > and > > > > > >> > > retrograde both. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > > > > > >> trikonas > > > > > >> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and > > how > > > > > >> will > > > > > >> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > > > > > >will > > > > > >> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... > > and > > > > > >do > > > > > >> not > > > > > >> > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not > > interested.. > > > > > >. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > best wishes, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Bhaskar. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Bhaskerji,Hare Rama Krsna,//Suicides cannot be done by weak people....Only the strong can commit suicides.//I totally dis-agree with it.This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in the chart.//They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One needs guts to kill himself.//This explanation is only a joke.-------------------------Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has life energy of Sun within.Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to live life at all condition.Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness my dear !. -------------------------------Lal-Kitab says "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat meat. It destroys children.Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.------------------------------I have just put my thought :)Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> needs guts to kill himself.> > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> take such a major step in Life.> > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a> darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the> > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got> > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot> > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> has> > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> > , chiranjiv mehta> > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > >> > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the only> > thing associated with 8th house.> > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects> > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> antihero.> > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse> > circumstances.> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > Re: Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through> out> > her life.> > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup> in> > 8H!!> > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> > expecting some practical demos.> > >> > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> > >> > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > >> > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > >> > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > >> > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> and> > scandals!> > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are> > made by the 8H.> > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > >> > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > >> > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > >> > > All comments are welcome!> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > This is rubbish talking and not astrology.> > > Â> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see> that.> > > > ÂÂ> > >> > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > destruction.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and which> > nobody want to see.> > > > ÂÂ> > >> > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Indian Kachua> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > >> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Freinds,> > > >> > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope> as> > a> > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since september> > 2009> > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its> > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> > > > retrograde both.> > > >> > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > >> > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> > trikonas> > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > >> > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how> > will> > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > >> > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> will> > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > >> > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and> do> > not> > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested..> .> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!> > http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear friends, The following is an interesting article relevant to House # 8, though I am sure many of you here would have read it already. http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/articles-gifts.htm blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear All, > > Time for some serious astrology I think! Everyone's been lazing around with > global cold taking over! Let us warm up now with some serious jyotish! > > Misteries and miseries! > Secrets and Scandals! > > Yes, we all know that 8H is the dreaded one for its pitfalls, obstacles, > impediments and what not! But, our Rishis were very clever and kept some > goodies also in the same house, so that when we are hunting for the > treasures, we do not forget to look there! > > *What is better for us, a strong eighth lord or weak eighth lord? > > And what of Arians and Librans who are likely to make their own pits and > fall into them or rise above them? > * > I invite learned members to share their opinions on this. Please don't > forget to quote examples and dashas! We are looking for practical results, > not theoretical! > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 You were so absorbed in enjoying the fragrance that you didn't see the bottle!! :-)RegardsNeelamOn 2 February 2010 22:00, renunw <renunw wrote:  My stupidity Neelam ji....deserved to be mentioned twice (( blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > :-) Monroe Madame / /Marilyn Monroe! > > > > On 2 February 2010 21:44, renunw <renunw wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks Neelam ji....I understand now. But who is MM? > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > <%40>, > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > In Yogananda's chart, Jupiter and Mars are in Pisces! Own house for > > Jupiter > > > and friends house for Mars. And you know what Pisces means, right! Most > > of > > > the planets in satwik signs! Compare that with MM and you'll see the > > > difference! He treaded on a different path altogether! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 21:15, renunw <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > Nice to see you active again:) > > > > > > > > // Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who > > can > > > > protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here > > both > > > > are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > > > > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre > > of > > > > the individual.// > > > > > > > > In Paramahamsa Yogananda's natal chart, his 9L is in 8H. 5L and 9L are > > in > > > > 8H. > > > > > > > > But he achieved so much above a normal human being and only a person > > with a > > > > good deal of past life merits could have reached that status. So how > > can we > > > > justify the above mentioned by you? Is it because his LL Sun & 2/11L > > Mercury > > > > is in the 5H, giving strength to 5H? > > > > > > > > Hope you will explain... > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Neelam Ji, > > > > > > > > > > She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause > > (or > > > > drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L > > has > > > > gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or > > else > > > > it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two > > house > > > > lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to > > be > > > > strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre > > of > > > > the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, > > plenty of > > > > > > opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable > > > > consequences. > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > > > > > Re: Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be > > suicide > > > > or overdose of barbiturates. > > > > > Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > > > > > > > > //Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office > > recorded > > > > cause of death as " acute barbiturate poisoning, " resulting from a > > " probable > > > > suicide " . Many theories, including murder, circulated about the > > > > circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. > > Some > > > > conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other > > theories > > > > suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > > > > > > > > > > >Only the strong can commit suicides. > > > > > > > > > > > >They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to > > cope > > > > > >with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > > > > > >members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to > > help > > > > > >them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. > > One > > > > > >needs guts to kill himself. > > > > > > > > > > > >Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One > > must > > > > > >have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order > > to > > > > > >take such a major step in Life. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who > > was a > > > > > >darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > > > > > >romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > > > > > > > > > > > >regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > ><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking > > the > > > > > >> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have > > got > > > > > >> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One > > cannot > > > > > >> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. > > He > > > > > >has > > > > > >> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Bhaskar. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv > > mehta > > > > > >> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Marilyn Monroe ? > > > > > >> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the > > only > > > > > >> thing associated with 8th house. > > > > > >> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am > > also > > > > > >> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > > > > > >> > Plus Indian KachuajiÃÆ'‚ is not expressingÃÆ'‚ VRY well. Its > > effects > > > > > > > > > > > >> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > > > > > >antihero. > > > > > >> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃÆ'‚ adverse > > > > > > > > > > > >> circumstances. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > >> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas > > through > > > > > >out > > > > > >> her life. > > > > > >> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and > > Jup > > > > > >in > > > > > >> 8H!! > > > > > >> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Regards > > > > > >> > Neelam > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > > gmail.com> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Dear All, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > > > > > >> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for > > and > > > > > >> expecting some practical demos. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > > > > >> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > > > > > >> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of > > secrets > > > > > >and > > > > > >> scandals! > > > > > >> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which > > are > > > > > >> made by the 8H. > > > > > >> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > > > > >> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > All comments are welcome! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Regards > > > > > >> > Neelam > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. > > in> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > This is rubbish talking andÃÆ'‚ not astrology. > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian > > Kachuaa > > > > > >> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > > > > > >that. > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > > > > > >> destruction. > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > >> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or > > PowerÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and which > > > > > >> nobody want to see. > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of > > VRY > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Indian Kachua > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > >> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Dear Freinds, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my > > Horoscope > > > > > >as > > > > > >> a > > > > > >> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since > > september > > > > > >> 2009 > > > > > >> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. > > Its > > > > > >> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated > > and > > > > > >> > > retrograde both. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > > > > > >> trikonas > > > > > >> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and > > how > > > > > >> will > > > > > >> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > > > > > >will > > > > > >> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... > > and > > > > > >do > > > > > >> not > > > > > >> > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not > > interested.. > > > > > >. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > best wishes, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Bhaskar. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Ha ha...Exactly Neelam ji... blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > You were so absorbed in enjoying the fragrance that you didn't see the > bottle!! :-) > > Regards > Neelam > > On 2 February 2010 22:00, renunw <renunw wrote: > > > > > > > My stupidity Neelam ji....deserved to be mentioned twice (( > > > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > :-) Monroe Madame / /Marilyn Monroe! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 21:44, renunw <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Neelam ji....I understand now. But who is MM? > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > > > In Yogananda's chart, Jupiter and Mars are in Pisces! Own house for > > > > Jupiter > > > > > and friends house for Mars. And you know what Pisces means, right! > > Most > > > > of > > > > > the planets in satwik signs! Compare that with MM and you'll see the > > > > > difference! He treaded on a different path altogether! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 21:15, renunw <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice to see you active again:) > > > > > > > > > > > > // Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords > > who > > > > can > > > > > > protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. > > Here > > > > both > > > > > > are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral > > fibre > > > > of > > > > > > the individual.// > > > > > > > > > > > > In Paramahamsa Yogananda's natal chart, his 9L is in 8H. 5L and 9L > > are > > > > in > > > > > > 8H. > > > > > > > > > > > > But he achieved so much above a normal human being and only a > > person > > > > with a > > > > > > good deal of past life merits could have reached that status. So > > how > > > > can we > > > > > > justify the above mentioned by you? Is it because his LL Sun & > > 2/11L > > > > Mercury > > > > > > is in the 5H, giving strength to 5H? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will explain... > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the > > cause > > > > (or > > > > > > drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. > > 8L > > > > has > > > > > > gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak > > or > > > > else > > > > > > it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two > > > > house > > > > > > lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H > > to > > > > be > > > > > > strong.ÃÆ'‚ Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral > > fibre > > > > of > > > > > > theÃÆ'‚ individual. WithÃÆ'‚ 8H dashas being in continuious > > activation, > > > > > > plenty of > > > > > > > > > > opportunity to express this side of the personality with > > predictable > > > > > > consequences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ -Manoj > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > > > > > > > Re: Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be > > > > suicide > > > > > > or overdose of barbiturates. > > > > > > > Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office > > > > recorded > > > > > > cause of death as " acute barbiturate poisoning, " resulting from a > > > > " probable > > > > > > suicide " . Many theories, including murder, circulated about the > > > > > > circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was > > found. > > > > Some > > > > > > conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other > > > > theories > > > > > > suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. > > in> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Only the strong can commit suicides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able > > to > > > > cope > > > > > > > >with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close > > family > > > > > > > >members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society > > to > > > > help > > > > > > > >them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit > > suicide. > > > > One > > > > > > > >needs guts to kill himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One > > > > must > > > > > > > >have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in > > order > > > > to > > > > > > > >take such a major step in Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe > > who > > > > was a > > > > > > > >darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them > > to > > > > > > > >romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start > > checking > > > > the > > > > > > > >> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them > > have > > > > got > > > > > > > >> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. > > One > > > > cannot > > > > > > > >> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in > > movies. > > > > He > > > > > > > >has > > > > > > > >> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> regards, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Bhaskar. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv > > > > mehta > > > > > > > >> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Marilyn Monroe ? > > > > > > > >> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is > > the > > > > only > > > > > > > >> thing associated with 8th house. > > > > > > > >> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am > > > > also > > > > > > > >> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > > > > > > > >> > Plus Indian KachuajiÃÆ'Æ'‚ is not expressingÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > VRY well. Its > > > > > > effects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > > > > > > > >antihero. > > > > > > > >> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > adverse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> circumstances. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > >> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas > > > > through > > > > > > > >out > > > > > > > >> her life. > > > > > > > >> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup > > and > > > > Jup > > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > >> 8H!! > > > > > > > >> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Regards > > > > > > > >> > Neelam > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > > > > gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Dear All, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are > > fairly > > > > > > > >> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling > > for > > > > and > > > > > > > >> expecting some practical demos. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is > > authentic. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > > > > > > >> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > > > > > > > >> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of > > > > secrets > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >> scandals! > > > > > > > >> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend > > which > > > > are > > > > > > > >> made by the 8H. > > > > > > > >> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > > > > > > >> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > All comments are welcome! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Regards > > > > > > > >> > Neelam > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > .co. > > > > in> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > This is rubbish talking andÃÆ'Æ'‚ not astrology. > > > > > > > >> > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian > > > > Kachuaa > > > > > > > >> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will > > see > > > > > > > >that. > > > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > > > > > > > >> destruction. > > > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > >> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or > > > > PowerÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ and which > > > > > > > >> nobody want to see. > > > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of > > frutification of > > > > VRY > > > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Indian Kachua > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > >> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Dear Freinds, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my > > > > Horoscope > > > > > > > >as > > > > > > > >> a > > > > > > > >> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since > > > > september > > > > > > > >> 2009 > > > > > > > >> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my > > Lagna. > > > > Its > > > > > > > >> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is > > debilitated > > > > and > > > > > > > >> > > retrograde both. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras > > and > > > > > > > >> trikonas > > > > > > > >> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Let me know your practical views. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Goel ji, There has been a sage called KESHKAMBAL who strongly advocated suicide. Kindly read about him. RegardsKulbir Bains vijay.goel <goyalvj Sent: Tue, 2 February, 2010 8:56:16 AM Re: House No. 8! Dear Bhaskerji,Hare Rama Krsna,//Suicides cannot be done by weak people....Only the strong can commit suicides.//I totally dis-agree with it.This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in the chart..//They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One needs guts to kill himself.//This explanation is only a joke.------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has life energy of Sun within.Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to live life at all condition.Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness my dear !. ------------ --------- --------- -Lal-Kitab says "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat meat. It destroys children.Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.------------ --------- ---------I have just put my thought :)Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> needs guts to kill himself.> > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> take such a major step in Life.> > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a> darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the> > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got> > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot> > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> has> > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta> > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > >> > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the only> > thing associated with 8th house.> > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects> > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> antihero.> > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse> > circumstances.> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through> out> > her life.> > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup> in> > 8H!!> > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> > expecting some practical demos.> > >> > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> > >> > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > >> > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > >> > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > >> > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> and> > scandals!> > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are> > made by the 8H.> > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > >> > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > >> > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > >> > > All comments are welcome!> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > This is rubbish talking and not astrology.> > > Â> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see> that..> > > > ÂÂ> > >> > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > destruction.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and which> > nobody want to see.> > > > ÂÂ> > >> > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Indian Kachua> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > >> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Freinds,> > > >> > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope> as> > a> > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since september> > 2009> > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its> > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> > > > retrograde both.> > > >> > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > >> > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> > trikonas> > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > >> > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how> > will> > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > >> > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> will> > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > >> > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and> do> > not> > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested..> .> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!> > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > >> >> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Goel ji, // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness my dear !. // Please do not harbor any concern over this... My consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God and doing my duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet. // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to> live life at all condition.// My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide, rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken of as weak. // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> meat. It destroys children.> Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H. // I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my chart... But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you ...? Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and highly irrelevant... I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been transparent about it... What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a saint ? But who says that I am a sinner... ? This means that if we put up our personal charts , you will locate such references and connect it to the planetary combinations in my chart ? Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ? Please explain this part. regards, Bhaskar. , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Bhaskerji,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > //> Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> //> > I totally dis-agree with it.> This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in> the chart.> > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> needs guts to kill himself.//> > This explanation is only a joke.> > -------------------------> Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> life energy of Sun within.> Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to> live life at all condition.> > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness> my dear !.> > -------------------------------> > Lal-Kitab says> "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> meat. It destroys children.> Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > ------------------------------> > I have just put my thought > > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> >> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> >> > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> > needs guts to kill himself.> >> > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> > take such a major step in Life.> >> > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was> a> > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> > romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > >> > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking> the> > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got> > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One> cannot> > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> > has> > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , chiranjiv mehta> > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the> only> > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its> effects> > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > antihero.> > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse> > > circumstances.> > > >> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > Re: Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through> > out> > > her life.> > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup> > in> > > 8H!!> > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> > > expecting some practical demos.> > > >> > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> > > >> > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > >> > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > >> > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > >> > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> > and> > > scandals!> > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which> are> > > made by the 8H.> > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > >> > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > >> > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > >> > > > All comments are welcome!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > This is rubbish talking and not astrology.> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see> > that.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > destruction.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and> which> > > nobody want to see.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of> VRY> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > >> > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope> > as> > > a> > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since> september> > > 2009> > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna.> Its> > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> > > > > retrograde both.> > > > >> > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > >> > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> > > trikonas> > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > >> > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and> how> > > will> > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > >> > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> > will> > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > >> > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now...> and> > do> > > not> > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> interested..> > .> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!> > > http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Vijay Goel ji, // This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in the chart.// Pl. justify this, not by proclamations, but by hard evidence. Bhaskar. , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Bhaskerji,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > //> Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> //> > I totally dis-agree with it.> This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in> the chart.> > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> needs guts to kill himself.//> > This explanation is only a joke.> > -------------------------> Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> life energy of Sun within.> Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to> live life at all condition.> > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness> my dear !.> > -------------------------------> > Lal-Kitab says> "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> meat. It destroys children.> Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > ------------------------------> > I have just put my thought > > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> >> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> >> > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> > needs guts to kill himself.> >> > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> > take such a major step in Life.> >> > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was> a> > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> > romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > >> > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking> the> > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got> > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One> cannot> > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> > has> > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , chiranjiv mehta> > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the> only> > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its> effects> > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > antihero.> > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse> > > circumstances.> > > >> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > Re: Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through> > out> > > her life.> > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup> > in> > > 8H!!> > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> > > expecting some practical demos.> > > >> > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> > > >> > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > >> > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > >> > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > >> > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> > and> > > scandals!> > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which> are> > > made by the 8H.> > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > >> > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > >> > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > >> > > > All comments are welcome!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > This is rubbish talking and not astrology.> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see> > that.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > destruction.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and> which> > > nobody want to see.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of> VRY> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > >> > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope> > as> > > a> > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since> september> > > 2009> > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna.> Its> > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> > > > > retrograde both.> > > > >> > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > >> > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> > > trikonas> > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > >> > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and> how> > > will> > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > >> > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> > will> > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > >> > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now...> and> > do> > > not> > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> interested..> > .> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!> > > http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Goel ji, // //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One needs guts to kill himself.//This explanation is only a joke. // Please justify how this is a joke, because Suicide is not a joke. It needs abnormal human strength of the will, to commit a suicide. What is a serious explanation. Kindly enlighten. Bhaskar. , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Bhaskerji,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > //> Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> //> > I totally dis-agree with it.> This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in> the chart.> > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> needs guts to kill himself.//> > This explanation is only a joke.> > -------------------------> Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> life energy of Sun within.> Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to> live life at all condition.> > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness> my dear !.> > -------------------------------> > Lal-Kitab says> "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> meat. It destroys children.> Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > ------------------------------> > I have just put my thought > > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> , "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> >> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> >> > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> > needs guts to kill himself.> >> > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> > take such a major step in Life.> >> > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was> a> > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> > romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > >> > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking> the> > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got> > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One> cannot> > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> > has> > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , chiranjiv mehta> > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the> only> > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its> effects> > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > antihero.> > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse> > > circumstances.> > > >> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > Re: Re: House No. 8!> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through> > out> > > her life.> > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup> > in> > > 8H!!> > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> > > expecting some practical demos.> > > >> > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> > > >> > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > >> > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > >> > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > >> > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> > and> > > scandals!> > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which> are> > > made by the 8H.> > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > >> > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > >> > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > >> > > > All comments are welcome!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > This is rubbish talking and not astrology.> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see> > that.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > destruction.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and> which> > > nobody want to see.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of> VRY> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > >> > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope> > as> > > a> > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since> september> > > 2009> > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna.> Its> > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> > > > > retrograde both.> > > > >> > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > >> > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> > > trikonas> > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > >> > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and> how> > > will> > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > >> > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> > will> > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > >> > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now...> and> > do> > > not> > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> interested..> > .> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!> > > http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Sonia ji,What you say is right theoretically, but the actual results varies from person to person and chart to chart! It is difficult to generalise a parivartan.Look at the exchange of Moon and sat (1/8) in Indira Gandhi's chart. Which house has suffered? Saturn's dasha gave her the best period of name and fame. But she also suffered at personal level. That brings us to the other lordship of the planets concerned. Saturn is also the kendra lord and gives her public image! For leo and Aqu natives, Jup and mer get the lordship of both 5/8 houses. it must look after both the houses. Any exchange with LL or 9L would have a different meaning here. I think each lagna would have to be handled differently. RegardsNeelamOn 2 February 2010 21:45, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote:  Sheevani jiNamaskar. Its a nice question, very close to me, because currently we are working on this subject only. Shivani Ji in exchange between trinal house and 8th house, results of trinal house/lord will suffer more. for example, if theres an exchange between fifth and eighth lord in the birth chart it can have many meanings. problems related to progeny, breaks/changes in education, research oriented education, issues related to profession etcBut birth chart alone cannot pinpoint exaclty which result of a house will improve or which result will get afflicted unless reference is made to varga kundli, karaka and strength of that bhava lord is assessed by other various means. Regards,Sonia Sheevani <sheevani147 Sent: Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:30:05 PM Re: House No. 8!  Dear Sonia ji Namaste.. What if there is parivatana yoga (exchange) between a trinal house and 8th house?.. Do both houses suffer or are they improved? It is termed a Dainya parivatan, warmest regards Sheevani ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > Chiranjiv Ji, > > 8th lord coming to trinal houses will add auspiciousness to eighth house/lord but will afflict the results of ninth house. > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tue, 2 February, 2010 8:55:49 PM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > Just a small aside - > > What if 8th lord is in the 9th ? Any planet in 2nd from own house is considered to be well placed. I think Mahatma Gandhi had 3 to 4 planets in 2nd from their own house and that was cited as strength. > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >ancient_indian_ astrology > >Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 8:40 PM > > > > > > > >Neelam Ji, > > > >She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > >9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable consequences. > > > >Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > >ancient_indian_ astrology > >Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > >Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > >Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > >//Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded cause of death as " acute barbiturate poisoning, " resulting from a " probable suicide " . Many theories, including murder, circulated about the circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > >Regards > >Neelam > > > > > >On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > >> > >>Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > >> > >>Only the strong can commit suicides. > >> > >>They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > >>with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > >>members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > >>them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > >>needs guts to kill himself. > >> > >>Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > >>have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > >>take such a major step in Life. > >> > >>I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a > >>darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > >>romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > >> > >>regards/Bhaskar. > >> > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > >> > >><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > >>> > >>> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the > >>> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > >>> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot > >>> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > >>has > >>> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > >>> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Marilyn Monroe ? > >>> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like > >> that is the only > >>> thing associated with 8th house. > >>> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > >>> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > >>> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > >>> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > >>antihero. > >>> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > >>> circumstances. > >>> > > >>> > Chiranjiv Mehta > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > >>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >> . com > >>> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >  > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > >>out > >>> her life. > >>> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > >>in > >>> 8H!! > >>> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > >>> > > >>> > Regards > >>> > Neelam > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Dear All, > >>> > > >>> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > >>> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > >>> expecting some practical demos. > >>> > > >>> > I am giving an > >> interesting case here and the data is authentic. > >>> > > >>> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > >>> > > >>> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > >>> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > >>> > > >>> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > >>> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > >>> > > >>> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > >>and > >>> scandals! > >>> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are > >>> made by the 8H. > >>> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > >>> > > >>> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > >>> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > >>> > > >>> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > >>> > > >>> > All comments are welcome! > >>> > > >>> > > >> Regards > >>> > Neelam > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >  > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > >>> >  > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > >>> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > >>that. > >>> > >  > >>> > > >>> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > >>> destruction. > >>> > >  > >>> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and which > >>> nobody want > >> to see. > >>> > >  > >>> > > >>> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY > >>> > >  > >>> > > Indian Kachua > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > >>> > > >>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >  > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Freinds, > >>> > > > >>> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > >>as > >>> a > >>> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently > >> since september > >>> 2009 > >>> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its > >>> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > >>> > > retrograde both. > >>> > > > >>> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > >>> > > > >>> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > >>> trikonas > >>> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > >>> > > > >>> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how > >>> will > >>> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > >>> > > > >>> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > >>will > >>> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > >>> > > > >>> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and > >>do > >>> not > >>> > > begin playing > >> any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested.. > >>. > >>> > > > >>> > > best wishes, > >>> > > > >>> > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > >>> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Vijayji, Namaste. Please let me ask you a very basic question?? Does anybody really want to die? What compells a person to take his own life? Helplessness and hopelessness.. Often these people have tried their level best to change their circumstances for the batter and failed, not because of lack of effort but due to circumstances being beyond their control. Mind of such persons is often exhausted. Accepting the current situation is against the principles these person holds dear. Options open to them is to compromise their values or choose not to be part of it. One who is morally weak has no issues with compromise. warmest regards Sheevani , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Dear Bhaskerji, > > Hare Rama Krsna, > > // > Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > Only the strong can commit suicides. > // > > I totally dis-agree with it. > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man. > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in > the chart. > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > needs guts to kill himself.// > > This explanation is only a joke. > > ------------------------- > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has > life energy of Sun within. > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to > live life at all condition. > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness > my dear !. > > ------------------------------- > > Lal-Kitab says > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 " > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat > meat. It destroys children. > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H. > > ------------------------------ > > I have just put my thought > > Thankyou, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides. > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > > needs guts to kill himself. > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > > take such a major step in Life. > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was > a > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking > the > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One > cannot > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > > has > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , chiranjiv mehta > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ? > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the > only > > > thing associated with 8th house. > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > > > > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its > effects > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > > antihero. > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > Re: Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > > out > > > her life. > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > > in > > > 8H!! > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > > > expecting some practical demos. > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic. > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > > and > > > scandals! > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which > are > > > made by the 8H. > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > > that. > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > > > destruction. > > > > >  > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and > which > > > nobody want to see. > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of > VRY > > > > >  > > > > > Indian Kachua > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds, > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > > as > > > a > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since > september > > > 2009 > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. > Its > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > > > > > retrograde both. > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ? > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > > > trikonas > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and > how > > > will > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > > will > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... > and > > do > > > not > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not > interested.. > > . > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Bhaskar ji, //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you will locate such references and connect it to the planetary combinations in my chart ? Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ? Please explain this part.// //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you ...?// I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from lalkitab groups. Whenever they can't counter the logics and arguments put forward by me, their last resort is my horoscope. RegardsKulbir Bains Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM Re: House No. 8! Dear Goel ji, // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness my dear !. // Please do not harbor any concern over this... My consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God and doing my duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet. // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to> live life at all condition.// My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide, rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken of as weak. // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> meat. It destroys children.> Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H. // I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my chart... But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you ...? Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and highly irrelevant.. . I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been transparent about it... What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a saint ? But who says that I am a sinner.... ? This means that if we put up our personal charts , you will locate such references and connect it to the planetary combinations in my chart ? Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ? Please explain this part. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Bhaskerji,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > //> Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> //> > I totally dis-agree with it.> This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man.> This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in> the chart.> > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> needs guts to kill himself.//> > This explanation is only a joke.> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> life energy of Sun within.> Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to> live life at all condition.> > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness> my dear !.> > ------------ --------- --------- -> > Lal-Kitab says> "Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70"> > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> meat. It destroys children.> Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H.> > ------------ --------- ---------> > I have just put my thought > > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> >> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> >> > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> > needs guts to kill himself.> >> > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> > take such a major step in Life.> >> > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was> a> > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> > romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > >> > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking> the> > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got> > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One> cannot> > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> > has> > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta> > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the> only> > > thing associated with 8th house.> > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its> effects> > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > antihero.> > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse> > > circumstances.> > > >> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through> > out> > > her life.> > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup> > in> > > 8H!!> > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> > > expecting some practical demos.> > > >> > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> > > >> > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > >> > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > >> > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > >> > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> > and> > > scandals!> > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which> are> > > made by the 8H.> > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > >> > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > >> > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > >> > > > All comments are welcome!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > This is rubbish talking and not astrology.> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see> > that.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > destruction.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and> which> > > nobody want to see.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of> VRY> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > >> > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope> > as> > > a> > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since> september> > > 2009> > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna.> Its> > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> > > > > retrograde both.> > > > >> > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > >> > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> > > trikonas> > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> > > > >> > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and> how> > > will> > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> > > > >> > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> > will> > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > >> > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now...> and> > do> > > not> > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not> interested..> > .> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!> > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > >> > >> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Neelam Ji.Theres a slight variation. In Indira Gandhis chart, exchange is between lagna and seventh lord, not eighth lord. So about the public image yes, saturn gave her good results. having lorship of trinal and 6,8,12 house simultaneoulsy is diff from exchange between a trinal and 6,8,12th lord.Regards,Sonianeelam gupta <neelamgupta07To: Sent: Tue, 2 February, 2010 11:03:39 PMRe: Re: House No. 8! Dear Sonia ji,What you say is right theoretically, but the actual results varies from person to person and chart to chart! It is difficult to generalise a parivartan.Look at the exchange of Moon and sat (1/8) in Indira Gandhi's chart. Which house has suffered? Saturn's dasha gave her the best period of name and fame. But she also suffered at personal level. That brings us to the other lordship of the planets concerned. Saturn is also the kendra lord and gives her public image! For leo and Aqu natives, Jup and mer get the lordship of both 5/8 houses. it must look after both the houses. Any exchange with LL or 9L would have a different meaning here. I think each lagna would have to be handled differently. RegardsNeelamOn 2 February 2010 21:45, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: Sheevani jiNamaskar. Its a nice question, very close to me, because currently we are working on this subject only. Shivani Ji in exchange between trinal house and 8th house, results of trinal house/lord will suffer more. for example, if theres an exchange between fifth and eighth lord in the birth chart it can have many meanings. problems related to progeny, breaks/changes in education, research oriented education, issues related to profession etcBut birth chart alone cannot pinpoint exaclty which result of a house will improve or which result will get afflicted unless reference is made to varga kundli, karaka and strength of that bhava lord is assessed by other various means. Regards,Sonia Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> ancient_indian_ astrologyTue, 2 February, 2010 9:30:05 PM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! Dear Sonia ji Namaste.. What if there is parivatana yoga (exchange) between a trinal house and 8th house?.. Do both houses suffer or are they improved? It is termed a Dainya parivatan, warmest regards Sheevani ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > Chiranjiv Ji, > > 8th lord coming to trinal houses will add auspiciousness to eighth house/lord but will afflict the results of ninth house. > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tue, 2 February, 2010 8:55:49 PM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > Just a small aside - > > What if 8th lord is in the 9th ? Any planet in 2nd from own house is considered to be well placed. I think Mahatma Gandhi had 3 to 4 planets in 2nd from their own house and that was cited as strength. > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >ancient_indian_ astrology > >Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 8:40 PM > > > > > > > >Neelam Ji, > > > >She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > >9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable consequences. > > > >Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > >ancient_indian_ astrology > >Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > >Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > >Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > >//Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded cause of death as "acute barbiturate poisoning," resulting from a "probable suicide". Many theories, including murder, circulated about the circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > >Regards > >Neelam > > > > > >On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > >> > >>Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > >> > >>Only the strong can commit suicides. > >> > >>They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > >>with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > >>members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > >>them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > >>needs guts to kill himself. > >> > >>Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > >>have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > >>take such a major step in Life. > >> > >>I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a > >>darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > >>romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > >> > >>regards/Bhaskar. > >> > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > >> > >><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > >>> > >>> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the > >>> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > >>> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot > >>> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > >>has > >>> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > >>> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Marilyn Monroe ? > >>> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like > >> that is the only > >>> thing associated with 8th house. > >>> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > >>> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > >>> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > >>> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > >>antihero. > >>> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > >>> circumstances. > >>> > > >>> > Chiranjiv Mehta > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > >>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >> . com > >>> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >  > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > >>out > >>> her life. > >>> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > >>in > >>> 8H!! > >>> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > >>> > > >>> > Regards > >>> > Neelam > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Dear All, > >>> > > >>> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > >>> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > >>> expecting some practical demos. > >>> > > >>> > I am giving an > >> interesting case here and the data is authentic. > >>> > > >>> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > >>> > > >>> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > >>> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > >>> > > >>> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > >>> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > >>> > > >>> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > >>and > >>> scandals! > >>> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are > >>> made by the 8H. > >>> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > >>> > > >>> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > >>> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > >>> > > >>> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > >>> > > >>> > All comments are welcome! > >>> > > >>> > > >> Regards > >>> > Neelam > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >  > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > >>> >  > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > >>> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > >>that. > >>> > >  > >>> > > >>> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > >>> destruction. > >>> > >  > >>> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and which > >>> nobody want > >> to see. > >>> > >  > >>> > > >>> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY > >>> > >  > >>> > > Indian Kachua > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > >>> > > >>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >  > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Freinds, > >>> > > > >>> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > >>as > >>> a > >>> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently > >> since september > >>> 2009 > >>> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its > >>> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > >>> > > retrograde both. > >>> > > > >>> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > >>> > > > >>> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > >>> trikonas > >>> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > >>> > > > >>> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how > >>> will > >>> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > >>> > > > >>> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > >>will > >>> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > >>> > > > >>> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and > >>do > >>> not > >>> > > begin playing > >> any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested.. > >>. > >>> > > > >>> > > best wishes, > >>> > > > >>> > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > >>> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Sonia ji, Thank you for your imput. It is much appreciated. warmest regards Sheevani , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote: > > Sheevani ji > > Namaskar. > > Its a nice question, very close to me, because currently we are working on this subject only. Shivani Ji in exchange between trinal house and 8th house, results of trinal house/lord will suffer more. for example, if theres an exchange between fifth and eighth lord in the birth chart it can have many meanings. > problems related to progeny, breaks/changes in education, research oriented education, issues related to profession etc > But birth chart alone cannot pinpoint exaclty which result of a house will improve or which result will get afflicted unless reference is made to varga kundli, karaka and strength of that bhava lord is assessed by other various means. > > Regards, > > > Sonia ________________________________ > Sheevani <sheevani147 > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:30:05 PM > Re: House No. 8! > > > Dear Sonia ji > > Namaste.. > > What if there is parivatana yoga (exchange) between a trinal house and 8th house?.. Do both houses suffer or are they improved? It is termed a Dainya parivatan, > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > Chiranjiv Ji, > > > > 8th lord coming to trinal houses will add auspiciousness to eighth house/lord but will afflict the results of ninth house. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 8:55:49 PM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > Just a small aside - > > > > What if 8th lord is in the 9th ? Any planet in 2nd from own house is considered to be well placed. I think Mahatma Gandhi had 3 to 4 planets in 2nd from their own house and that was cited as strength. > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 8:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >Neelam Ji, > > > > > >She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > >9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable consequences. > > > > > >Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > > >Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > > >Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > > > >//Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded cause of death as " acute barbiturate poisoning, " resulting from a " probable suicide " . Many theories, including murder, circulated about the circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > > > >Regards > > >Neelam > > > > > > > > >On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > >> > > >>Only the strong can commit suicides. > > >> > > >>They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > > >>with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > > >>members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > > >>them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > > >>needs guts to kill himself. > > >> > > >>Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > > >>have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > > >>take such a major step in Life. > > >> > > >>I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a > > >>darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > > >>romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > > >> > > >>regards/Bhaskar. > > >> > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > >> > > >><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > >>> > > >>> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the > > >>> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > > >>> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot > > >>> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > > >>has > > >>> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > > >>> > > >>> regards, > > >>> > > >>> Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > >>> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Marilyn Monroe ? > > >>> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like > > >> that is the only > > >>> thing associated with 8th house. > > >>> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > > >>> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > > >>> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > > >>> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > > >>antihero. > > >>> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > > >>> circumstances. > > >>> > > > >>> > Chiranjiv Mehta > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > >>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > >> . com > > >>> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >  > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > > >>out > > >>> her life. > > >>> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > > >>in > > >>> 8H!! > > >>> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > > >>> > > > >>> > Regards > > >>> > Neelam > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Dear All, > > >>> > > > >>> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > > >>> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > > >>> expecting some practical demos. > > >>> > > > >>> > I am giving an > > >> interesting case here and the data is authentic. > > >>> > > > >>> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > > >>> > > > >>> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > >>> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > > >>> > > > >>> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > > >>> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > > >>> > > > >>> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > > >>and > > >>> scandals! > > >>> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are > > >>> made by the 8H. > > >>> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > > >>> > > > >>> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > >>> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > > >>> > > > >>> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > > >>> > > > >>> > All comments are welcome! > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> Regards > > >>> > Neelam > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >  > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > > >>> >  > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > > >>> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > > >>that. > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > > >>> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > > >>> destruction. > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or PowerÃÆ'‚ and which > > >>> nobody want > > >> to see. > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > > >>> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > Indian Kachua > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > >>> > > > >>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >>> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Dear Freinds, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > > >>as > > >>> a > > >>> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently > > >> since september > > >>> 2009 > > >>> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its > > >>> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > > >>> > > retrograde both. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > > >>> trikonas > > >>> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how > > >>> will > > >>> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > > >>will > > >>> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > > >>> > > > > >>> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and > > >>do > > >>> not > > >>> > > begin playing > > >> any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested.. > > >>. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > best wishes, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Bhaskar. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > >>> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Goel ji, I am sorry your comments are not in good taste. Please refrain from making derogatory remarks about anyone.Everyone is unmoderated, so please be responsible for your own statements, you're likely to get it back. We can have healthy discussions without passing personal remarks and judgements. Kindly check the tone and language used for other learned members. We can agree to disagree with dignity. Bhaskar ji, Kulbir ji, let us close the controversy and move ahead. ModeratorOn 2 February 2010 23:09, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: Dear Bhaskar ji, //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you will locate such references and connect it to the planetary combinations in my chart ? Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ? Please explain this part.// //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you ...?// I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from lalkitab groups. Whenever they can't counter the logics and arguments put forward by me, their last resort is my horoscope. RegardsKulbir Bains Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM Re: House No. 8! Dear Goel ji, // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness my dear !. // Please do not harbor any concern over this... My consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God and doing my duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet. // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to> live life at all condition.// My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide, rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken of as weak. // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> meat. It destroys children.> Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H. // I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my chart... But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you ...? Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and highly irrelevant.. . I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been transparent about it... What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a saint ? But who says that I am a sinner.... ? This means that if we put up our personal charts , you will locate such references and connect it to the planetary combinations in my chart ? Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ? Please explain this part. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Bhaskerji,> > Hare Rama Krsna, > > //> Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> //> > I totally dis-agree with it.> This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man. > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in> the chart.> > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> needs guts to kill himself.//> > This explanation is only a joke. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has> life energy of Sun within.> Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to > live life at all condition.> > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness> my dear !.> > ------------ --------- --------- -> > Lal-Kitab says > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka> hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 " > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat> meat. It destroys children. > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn> aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy> Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H. > > ------------ --------- ---------> > I have just put my thought > > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> >> > Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> >> > Only the strong can commit suicides.> >> > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > > needs guts to kill himself.> >> > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> > take such a major step in Life.> >> > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was> a> > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > >> > >> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > >> > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking> the> > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One> cannot> > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> > has> > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Marilyn Monroe ?> > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the> only> > > thing associated with 8th house. > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> > > > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its > effects> > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> > antihero.> > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse> > > circumstances.> > > >> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > >> > > >> > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > > out> > > her life.> > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup> > in> > > 8H!!> > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All, > > > >> > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> > > expecting some practical demos. > > > >> > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> > > >> > > > BT: 1..6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> > > >> > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> > > >> > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> > and> > > scandals!> > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which > are> > > made by the 8H.> > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> > > >> > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> > > >> > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> > > >> > > > All comments are welcome! > > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see> > that.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> > > destruction.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and > which> > > nobody want to see.> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of> VRY> > > > >  > > > > > Indian Kachua> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Freinds,> > > > >> > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > > as> > > a> > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since> september> > > 2009> > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. > Its> > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> > > > > retrograde both.> > > > >> > > > > Will the VRY work here now ?> > > > >> > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> > > trikonas> > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > > > >> > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and> how> > > will> > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > > > > >> > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> > will> > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now...> and> > do> > > not> > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not > interested..> > .> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > > >> > > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Renu Ji, Neelam Ji is absolutely right. Also there are some very powerful but estoreric Sanyasa Yogas in Yogananda's chart. If you get a chance to read "Light on Life" by Hart De Fouw, he beautifully contrasts the charts of Yogananda and infact Marlyn Monroe and explains why 8H takes such different meanings in these charts. Only these Sanyasa Yoga's explain the Great Heights reached by the Great Yogi. Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 9:08:40 AMRe: Re: House No. 8! Dear Renu ji,In Yogananda's chart, Jupiter and Mars are in Pisces! Own house for Jupiter and friends house for Mars. And you know what Pisces means, right! Most of the planets in satwik signs! Compare that with MM and you'll see the difference! He treaded on a different path altogether! RegardsNeelam On 2 February 2010 21:15, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Manoj ji,Nice to see you active again:)// Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!!9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual./ /In Paramahamsa Yogananda's natal chart, his 9L is in 8H. 5L and 9L are in 8H. But he achieved so much above a normal human being and only a person with a good deal of past life merits could have reached that status. So how can we justify the above mentioned by you? Is it because his LL Sun & 2/11L Mercury is in the 5H, giving strength to 5H?Hope you will explain...blessings,Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Neelam Ji,> > She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!!> > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable consequences. >  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >  > Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > Nothing has been said with certainty.> > //Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded cause of death as "acute barbiturate poisoning," resulting from a "probable suicide". Many theories, including murder, circulated about the circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI> > Regards> Neelam> > > On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> >  > >> >Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> >> >Only the strong can commit suicides.> >> >They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> >with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> >members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> >them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> >needs guts to kill himself.> >> >Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> >have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> >take such a major step in Life.> >> >I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a> >darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> >romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> >> >regards/Bhaskar.> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> >> ><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >>> >>> >> Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >>> >> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the> >> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got> >> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot> >> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> >has> >> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> >>> >> regards,> >>> >> Bhaskar.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta> >> vchiranjiv@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Marilyn Monroe ?> >> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the only> >> thing associated with 8th house.> >> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> >> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> >> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > >> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> >antihero.> >> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > >> circumstances.> >> >> >> > Chiranjiv Mehta> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through> >out> >> her life.> >> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup> >in> >> 8H!!> >> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> >> >> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> >> wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear All,> >> >> >> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> >> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> >> expecting some practical demos.> >> >> >> > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> >> >> >> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> >> >> >> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> >> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> >> >> >> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> >> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> >> >> >> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> >and> >> scandals!> >> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are> >> made by the 8H.> >> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> >> >> >> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> >> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> >> >> >> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> >> >> >> > All comments are welcome!> >> >> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> >> wrote:> >> >> >> > > >> > Â> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology.> >> > Â> >> >> >> > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> >> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see> >that.> >> > >  > >> >> >> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> >> destruction.> >> > > ÂÂ> >> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and which> >> nobody want to see.> >> > >  > >> >> >> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY> >> > >  > >> > > Indian Kachua> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> >> >> >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >  > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Dear Freinds,> >> > >> >> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope> >as> >> a> >> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since september> >> 2009> >> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its> >> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> >> > > retrograde both.> >> > >> >> > > Will the VRY work here now ?> >> > >> >> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> >> trikonas> >> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> >> > >> >> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how> >> will> >> > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> >> > >> >> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> >will> >> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> >> > >> >> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and> >do> >> not> >> > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested..> >.> >> > >> >> > > best wishes,> >> > >> >> > > Bhaskar.> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!> >> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> >> >> >>> >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Sheevani Ji.If am not wrong you are looking for Guru Nanaks correct birth details. In case you don't have the details, i will mail it to you tomorrow. It was given to us by Rao sir. Regards,SoniaSheevani <sheevani147 Sent: Tue, 2 February, 2010 11:14:07 PM Re: House No. 8! Dear Sonia ji, Thank you for your imput. It is much appreciated. warmest regards Sheevani ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > Sheevani ji > > Namaskar. > > Its a nice question, very close to me, because currently we are working on this subject only. Shivani Ji in exchange between trinal house and 8th house, results of trinal house/lord will suffer more. for example, if theres an exchange between fifth and eighth lord in the birth chart it can have many meanings. > problems related to progeny, breaks/changes in education, research oriented education, issues related to profession etc > But birth chart alone cannot pinpoint exaclty which result of a house will improve or which result will get afflicted unless reference is made to varga kundli, karaka and strength of that bhava lord is assessed by other various means. > > Regards, > > > Sonia > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:30:05 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > Dear Sonia ji > > Namaste.. > > What if there is parivatana yoga (exchange) between a trinal house and 8th house?.. Do both houses suffer or are they improved? It is termed a Dainya parivatan, > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > Chiranjiv Ji, > > > > 8th lord coming to trinal houses will add auspiciousness to eighth house/lord but will afflict the results of ninth house. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 8:55:49 PM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > Just a small aside - > > > > What if 8th lord is in the 9th ? Any planet in 2nd from own house is considered to be well placed. I think Mahatma Gandhi had 3 to 4 planets in 2nd from their own house and that was cited as strength. > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 8:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >Neelam Ji, > > > > > >She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > >9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable consequences. > > > > > >Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > > >Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > > >Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > > > >//Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded cause of death as "acute barbiturate poisoning," resulting from a "probable suicide". Many theories, including murder, circulated about the circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > > > >Regards > > >Neelam > > > > > > > > >On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >>Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > >> > > >>Only the strong can commit suicides. > > >> > > >>They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > > >>with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > > >>members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > > >>them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > > >>needs guts to kill himself. > > >> > > >>Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > > >>have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > > >>take such a major step in Life. > > >> > > >>I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a > > >>darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > > >>romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > > >> > > >>regards/Bhaskar. > > >> > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > >> > > >><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > >>> > > >>> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the > > >>> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > > >>> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot > > >>> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > > >>has > > >>> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > > >>> > > >>> regards, > > >>> > > >>> Bhaskar. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > >>> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Marilyn Monroe ? > > >>> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like > > >> that is the only > > >>> thing associated with 8th house. > > >>> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > > >>> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > > >>> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > > >>> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > > >>antihero. > > >>> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > > >>> circumstances. > > >>> > > > >>> > Chiranjiv Mehta > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > >>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > >> . com > > >>> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >  > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > > >>out > > >>> her life. > > >>> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > > >>in > > >>> 8H!! > > >>> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > > >>> > > > >>> > Regards > > >>> > Neelam > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Dear All, > > >>> > > > >>> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > > >>> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > > >>> expecting some practical demos. > > >>> > > > >>> > I am giving an > > >> interesting case here and the data is authentic. > > >>> > > > >>> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > > >>> > > > >>> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > >>> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > > >>> > > > >>> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > > >>> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > > >>> > > > >>> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > > >>and > > >>> scandals! > > >>> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are > > >>> made by the 8H. > > >>> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > > >>> > > > >>> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > >>> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > > >>> > > > >>> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > > >>> > > > >>> > All comments are welcome! > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> Regards > > >>> > Neelam > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >  > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > > >>> >  > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > > >>> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > > >>that. > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > > >>> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > > >>> destruction. > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or PowerÃÆ'‚ and which > > >>> nobody want > > >> to see. > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > > >>> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > Indian Kachua > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > >>> > > > >>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >>> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > ÃÆ'‚ > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Dear Freinds, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > > >>as > > >>> a > > >>> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently > > >> since september > > >>> 2009 > > >>> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its > > >>> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > > >>> > > retrograde both. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > > >>> trikonas > > >>> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how > > >>> will > > >>> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > > >>will > > >>> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > > >>> > > > > >>> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and > > >>do > > >>> not > > >>> > > begin playing > > >> any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested.. > > >>. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > best wishes, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Bhaskar. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > >>> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Neelam Ji, This is a very interesting point you have raised. But it is a bit counter intuitive isn't it? How about BAV of individual planets? Should natural malefics have low or high BAV's? Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 9:18:26 AMRe: Re: House No. 8! Another important point Renu ji,6/8/12 houses should have low SAV scores, otherwise all transiting planets would keep dropping bombshells!! :-)RegardsNeelam On 2 February 2010 21:38, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: Dear Renu ji,In Yogananda's chart, Jupiter and Mars are in Pisces! Own house for Jupiter and friends house for Mars. And you know what Pisces means, right! Most of the planets in satwik signs! Compare that with MM and you'll see the difference! He treaded on a different path altogether! RegardsNeelam On 2 February 2010 21:15, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Manoj ji,Nice to see you active again:)// Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!!9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual./ /In Paramahamsa Yogananda's natal chart, his 9L is in 8H. 5L and 9L are in 8H. But he achieved so much above a normal human being and only a person with a good deal of past life merits could have reached that status. So how can we justify the above mentioned by you? Is it because his LL Sun & 2/11L Mercury is in the 5H, giving strength to 5H?Hope you will explain...blessings,Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Neelam Ji,> > She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!!> > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable consequences. >  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >  > Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > Nothing has been said with certainty.> > //Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded cause of death as "acute barbiturate poisoning," resulting from a "probable suicide". Many theories, including murder, circulated about the circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI> > Regards> Neelam> > > On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> >  > >> >Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> >> >Only the strong can commit suicides.> >> >They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope> >with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> >members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> >them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One> >needs guts to kill himself.> >> >Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> >have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> >take such a major step in Life.> >> >I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a> >darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> >romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> >> >regards/Bhaskar.> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> >> ><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >>> >>> >> Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >>> >> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the> >> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got> >> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot> >> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> >has> >> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul.> >>> >> regards,> >>> >> Bhaskar.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta> >> vchiranjiv@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Marilyn Monroe ?> >> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the only> >> thing associated with 8th house.> >> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> >> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> >> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > >> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> >antihero.> >> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > >> circumstances.> >> >> >> > Chiranjiv Mehta> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through> >out> >> her life.> >> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup> >in> >> 8H!!> >> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> >> >> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> >> wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear All,> >> >> >> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> >> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> >> expecting some practical demos.> >> >> >> > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> >> >> >> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California> >> >> >> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> >> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> >> >> >> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down> >> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> >> >> >> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> >and> >> scandals!> >> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are> >> made by the 8H.> >> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> >> >> >> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> >> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> >> >> >> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about!> >> >> >> > All comments are welcome!> >> >> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> >> wrote:> >> >> >> > > >> > Â> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology.> >> > Â> >> >> >> > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> >> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see> >that.> >> > >  > >> >> >> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> >> destruction.> >> > > ÂÂ> >> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and which> >> nobody want to see.> >> > >  > >> >> >> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY> >> > >  > >> > > Indian Kachua> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> >> >> >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> >> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >  > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Dear Freinds,> >> > >> >> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope> >as> >> a> >> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since september> >> 2009> >> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its> >> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> >> > > retrograde both.> >> > >> >> > > Will the VRY work here now ?> >> > >> >> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> >> trikonas> >> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> >> > >> >> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how> >> will> >> > > it manifest itself..and please time it.> >> > >> >> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> >will> >> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> >> > >> >> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and> >do> >> not> >> > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested..> >.> >> > >> >> > > best wishes,> >> > >> >> > > Bhaskar.> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!> >> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> >> >> >>> >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Kulbir ji, The statement which he put up regards to the position of the Sun in 11th, is a very basic remedial measure for Lalkitab, which I learnt 25 years ago, while studying this great Book. I had also put this same statement about 3 months ago (About alochol with Sun in 11th), so it was nothing new to me, and could not understand why this statement should be attributed to me when there was no context requisiting the same... It was not in good taste. When I keep away from the mediocore and their postongs, why should they challnge me for exchanges which will end up in their himiliations and not mines, because I am very straightforward, transparent and do not fear anybody other than God. Personal Chart is for discussion on astrological matters, and not for telling somebody that " If You drink alcohol and meat.........this will happen .. " OR " Saturn is Overpowering your senses " OR other such unnecessary remarks. Which member of these Groups and amongst more than 50000 of them who must be knowing me here, can prove or say that they have ever seen me drinking alcohol or eating Meat ? Talking about women I do many times, then will they attrivbute that I am going to whores, and I must stop doing that because yours is a " Dharmi tewa " ? What nonsense is this. I talk about alcohol too, in Face Book I just mentioned two days ago that " After 9.00pm I am inebriviated " so some fools must take this as Reality and now talk rubbish ? I talk about women, I talk about Movie Stars, I talk about Romance. Why ? these fools will never realise. But let me be honest once again. these are all marketing strategies to pull the common folks towards yourself, by talking in the language they understand, and then doing the bit which youw ant to, once in a while without it looking apparent. But yeh Baniya buddhi sirf Marwadi ka baccha samajh sakta hai, doodh bechne wala nahin. ( these are aggressive marketing techniques of ones wares by pulling a crowd by co-relating with them in the ways they understand) People must show their smartness by talking about astrology about which they even dont know abcd, and trying to appear wise with such nonsense talkings ? Forget it.... dear Kulbir ji.. I have ample proof about the gentleman to point out many irregularities about his Lifestle and knowledge of astrology but will refrain, because we cannot stoop to those levels as we are cultured people. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > //This means that if we put up our personal charts , you will locate such references and connect it to the planetary combinations in my chart ? > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ? > Please explain this part.// > //But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you ....?// >  > I am sure Dear Goel ji got infected with his sadistic trend from lalkitab groups. > Whenever they can't counter the logics and arguments put forward by me, their last resort is my horoscope. >  Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:16:55 AM > Re: House No. 8! > >  > Dear Goel ji, > // Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness my dear !. // > Please do not harbor any concern over this...  My consciousness is overlapped only with the Love of God and doing my duty in this material Life, and Love for the 9 Planets ...with no bias towards either the Sun or Saturn...or any other planet.. > // Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to > > live life at all condition.// > My previous mail was not to inspire anybody going for a suicide, rather defending those who have gone for a suicide lest they be spoken of as weak. > // that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat > > meat. It destroys children. > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H. // > I do not understand this... You are apparently referring to my chart... > But the rest of the nonsense who has filtered to you, may I ask you ....? > Which Godforsaken person has guided you that I drink alcohol and eat Meat , and that you must send me this reference... This is not right and highly irrelevant.. . > I have the guts to say what i do in real Life, and have always been transparent about it... > What are you trying to tell me ? That I am a sinner and You are a saint ? > But who says that I am a sinner... ? > This means that if we put up our personal charts , you will locate such references and connect it to the planetary combinations in my chart ? > Is this why I put up my chart for discussions ? > Please explain this part. > regards, > Bhaskar. >  >  > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskerji, > > > > Hare Rama Krsna, > > > > // > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides. > > // > > > > I totally dis-agree with it. > > This statement is the 'peak of cowardice' for a man. > > This statement itself shows the reflection of fall of Jupiter and Sun in > > the chart. > > > > //They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > > needs guts to kill himself.// > > > > This explanation is only a joke. > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Surprising ! it coming out from the person who is Leo Lagna, who has > > life energy of Sun within. > > Leo native are normally inspiring & royal personalities, they inspire to > > live life at all condition. > > > > Be-ware of Saturnine negativity which is overlapping your consciousness > > my dear !. > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > > > > Lal-Kitab says > > " Sanichar ki khurak ya mandi cheejo ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka > > hukm sadir kar dega...1941 page 70 " > > > > that person who has Sun in 11th house must not drink alcohol and eat > > meat. It destroys children. > > Logically as per kalpurush kundli , sun is in the 11H of saturn > > aspecting 5H its own house, when one consumes alcohol, Sun's enemy > > Saturn gets strengthen which turn sun malefic destroying the 5H. > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > > > > I have just put my thought > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > > > > > Only the strong can commit suicides. > > > > > > They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > > > with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > > > members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > > > them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > > > needs guts to kill himself. > > > > > > Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > > > have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > > > take such a major step in Life. > > > > > > I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was > > a > > > darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > > > romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > > > > > You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking > > the > > > > Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > > > > their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One > > cannot > > > > type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > > > has > > > > acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > > > vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn Monroe ? > > > > > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the > > only > > > > thing associated with 8th house. > > > > > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > > > > supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > > > > > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its > > effects > > > > are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > > > antihero. > > > > It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > > > out > > > > her life. > > > > > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > > > in > > > > 8H!! > > > > > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > > > > advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > > > > expecting some practical demos. > > > > > > > > > > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic. > > > > > > > > > > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > > > > > > > > > > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > > > > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > > > > > > > > > > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > > > > graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > > > > > > > > > > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > > > and > > > > scandals! > > > > > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which > > are > > > > made by the 8H. > > > > > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > > > > > > > > > > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > > > > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > > > > > > > > > > All comments are welcome! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co.. in> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > > > > <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > > > that. > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > > > > destruction. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and > > which > > > > nobody want to see. > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of > > VRY > > > > > >  > > > > > > Indian Kachua > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ .... > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Freinds, > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > > > as > > > > a > > > > > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since > > september > > > > 2009 > > > > > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. > > Its > > > > > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > > > > > > retrograde both. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the VRY work here now ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > > > > trikonas > > > > > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ...and > > how > > > > will > > > > > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > > > will > > > > > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > > > > > > > > > > > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... > > and > > > do > > > > not > > > > > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not > > interested.. > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Neelam Ji.When we started this subject in our class, focus was mainly on the lords exchanging houses. Second lordship does modify the results, even the planets associated with the exchanging planets modify the results. But exchange, between lagna and eighth house lord will be the proper when they have exchange places.This is exchange between lagna and seventh lord.Regards,Sonianeelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Tue, 2 February, 2010 11:27:18 PMRe: Re: House No. 8! Sonia ji, it will also be called an exchange of lagna lord and 8L. That is why I talked about the other lordship! RegardsNeelamOn 2 February 2010 23:11, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: Neelam Ji.Theres a slight variation. In Indira Gandhis chart, exchange is between lagna and seventh lord, not eighth lord. So about the public image yes, saturn gave her good results. having lorship of trinal and 6,8,12 house simultaneoulsy is diff from exchange between a trinal and 6,8,12th lord. Regards,Sonia neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>To: ancient_indian_ astrologyTue, 2 February, 2010 11:03:39 PM Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! Dear Sonia ji,What you say is right theoretically, but the actual results varies from person to person and chart to chart! It is difficult to generalise a parivartan.Look at the exchange of Moon and sat (1/8) in Indira Gandhi's chart. Which house has suffered? Saturn's dasha gave her the best period of name and fame. But she also suffered at personal level. That brings us to the other lordship of the planets concerned. Saturn is also the kendra lord and gives her public image! For leo and Aqu natives, Jup and mer get the lordship of both 5/8 houses. it must look after both the houses. Any exchange with LL or 9L would have a different meaning here. I think each lagna would have to be handled differently. RegardsNeelamOn 2 February 2010 21:45, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ > wrote: Sheevani jiNamaskar. Its a nice question, very close to me, because currently we are working on this subject only. Shivani Ji in exchange between trinal house and 8th house, results of trinal house/lord will suffer more. for example, if theres an exchange between fifth and eighth lord in the birth chart it can have many meanings. problems related to progeny, breaks/changes in education, research oriented education, issues related to profession etcBut birth chart alone cannot pinpoint exaclty which result of a house will improve or which result will get afflicted unless reference is made to varga kundli, karaka and strength of that bhava lord is assessed by other various means. Regards,Sonia Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> ancient_indian_ astrologyTue, 2 February, 2010 9:30:05 PM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! Dear Sonia ji Namaste.. What if there is parivatana yoga (exchange) between a trinal house and 8th house?.. Do both houses suffer or are they improved? It is termed a Dainya parivatan, warmest regards Sheevani ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > Chiranjiv Ji, > > 8th lord coming to trinal houses will add auspiciousness to eighth house/lord but will afflict the results of ninth house. > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tue, 2 February, 2010 8:55:49 PM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > Just a small aside - > > What if 8th lord is in the 9th ? Any planet in 2nd from own house is considered to be well placed. I think Mahatma Gandhi had 3 to 4 planets in 2nd from their own house and that was cited as strength. > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >ancient_indian_ astrology > >Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 8:40 PM > > > > > > > >Neelam Ji, > > > >She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > >9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable consequences. > > > >Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > >ancient_indian_ astrology > >Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > >Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > >Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > >//Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded cause of death as "acute barbiturate poisoning," resulting from a "probable suicide". Many theories, including murder, circulated about the circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > >Regards > >Neelam > > > > > >On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > >> > >>Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > >> > >>Only the strong can commit suicides. > >> > >>They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > >>with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > >>members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > >>them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > >>needs guts to kill himself. > >> > >>Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > >>have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > >>take such a major step in Life. > >> > >>I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a > >>darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > >>romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > >> > >>regards/Bhaskar. > >> > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > >> > >><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > >>> > >>> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the > >>> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > >>> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot > >>> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > >>has > >>> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > >>> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Marilyn Monroe ? > >>> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like > >> that is the only > >>> thing associated with 8th house. > >>> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > >>> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > >>> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > >>> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > >>antihero. > >>> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > >>> circumstances. > >>> > > >>> > Chiranjiv Mehta > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > >>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > >> . com > >>> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >  > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > >>out > >>> her life. > >>> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > >>in > >>> 8H!! > >>> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > >>> > > >>> > Regards > >>> > Neelam > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Dear All, > >>> > > >>> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > >>> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > >>> expecting some practical demos. > >>> > > >>> > I am giving an > >> interesting case here and the data is authentic. > >>> > > >>> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > >>> > > >>> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > >>> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > >>> > > >>> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > >>> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > >>> > > >>> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > >>and > >>> scandals! > >>> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are > >>> made by the 8H. > >>> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > >>> > > >>> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > >>> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > >>> > > >>> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > >>> > > >>> > All comments are welcome! > >>> > > >>> > > >> Regards > >>> > Neelam > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >  > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology. > >>> >  > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > >>> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > >>that. > >>> > >  > >>> > > >>> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > >>> destruction. > >>> > >  > >>> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and which > >>> nobody want > >> to see. > >>> > >  > >>> > > >>> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY > >>> > >  > >>> > > Indian Kachua > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > >>> > > >>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >>> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >  > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Freinds, > >>> > > > >>> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > >>as > >>> a > >>> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently > >> since september > >>> 2009 > >>> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its > >>> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > >>> > > retrograde both. > >>> > > > >>> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > >>> > > > >>> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > >>> trikonas > >>> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > >>> > > > >>> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how > >>> will > >>> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > >>> > > > >>> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > >>will > >>> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > >>> > > > >>> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and > >>do > >>> not > >>> > > begin playing > >> any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested.. > >>. > >>> > > > >>> > > best wishes, > >>> > > > >>> > > Bhaskar. > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > >>> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Sonia ji, That would be most kind of you and it will be much appreciated.. Currently most articles seem to point towards 14th or 15th april 1469 with no time given. warmest regards Sheevani , Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta wrote: > > Sheevani Ji. > > If am not wrong you are looking for Guru Nanaks correct birth details. In case you don't have the details, i will mail it to you tomorrow. It was given to us by Rao sir. > > Regards, > > Sonia > > > > > ________________________________ > Sheevani <sheevani147 > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 11:14:07 PM > Re: House No. 8! > > > Dear Sonia ji, > > Thank you for your imput. It is much appreciated. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > Sheevani ji > > > > Namaskar. > > > > Its a nice question, very close to me, because currently we are working on this subject only. Shivani Ji in exchange between trinal house and 8th house, results of trinal house/lord will suffer more. for example, if theres an exchange between fifth and eighth lord in the birth chart it can have many meanings. > > problems related to progeny, breaks/changes in education, research oriented education, issues related to profession etc > > But birth chart alone cannot pinpoint exaclty which result of a house will improve or which result will get afflicted unless reference is made to varga kundli, karaka and strength of that bhava lord is assessed by other various means. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 9:30:05 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > Dear Sonia ji > > > > Namaste.. > > > > What if there is parivatana yoga (exchange) between a trinal house and 8th house?.. Do both houses suffer or are they improved? It is termed a Dainya parivatan, > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sonia Mehdiratta <sonia_mehdiratta@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Chiranjiv Ji, > > > > > > 8th lord coming to trinal houses will add auspiciousness to eighth house/lord but will afflict the results of ninth house. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tue, 2 February, 2010 8:55:49 PM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > > > Just a small aside - > > > > > > What if 8th lord is in the 9th ? Any planet in 2nd from own house is considered to be well placed. I think Mahatma Gandhi had 3 to 4 planets in 2nd from their own house and that was cited as strength. > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 8:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Neelam Ji, > > > > > > > >She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > > > > > > >9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable consequences. > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM > > > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > > > > > > > > > >Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > > > >Nothing has been said with certainty. > > > > > > > >//Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded cause of death as " acute barbiturate poisoning, " resulting from a " probable suicide " . Many theories, including murder, circulated about the circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > > > > > > >Regards > > > >Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > >On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>Suicides cannot be done by weak people.... > > > >> > > > >>Only the strong can commit suicides. > > > >> > > > >>They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > > > >>with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family > > > >>members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help > > > >>them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > > > >>needs guts to kill himself. > > > >> > > > >>Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must > > > >>have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to > > > >>take such a major step in Life. > > > >> > > > >>I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a > > > >>darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to > > > >>romance with this beautiful lady of her times. > > > >> > > > >>regards/Bhaskar. > > > >> > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > >> > > > >><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > >>> > > > >>> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the > > > >>> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > > > >>> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot > > > >>> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He > > > >>has > > > >>> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > > > >>> > > > >>> regards, > > > >>> > > > >>> Bhaskar. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > > > >>> vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Marilyn Monroe ? > > > >>> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like > > > >> that is the only > > > >>> thing associated with 8th house. > > > >>> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also > > > >>> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something. > > > >>> > Plus Indian KachuajiÃÆ'‚ is not expressingÃÆ'‚ VRY well. Its effects > > > >>> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an > > > >>antihero. > > > >>> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong inÃÆ'‚ adverse > > > >>> circumstances. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > >>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > > >> . com > > > >>> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > ÃÆ'‚ > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through > > > >>out > > > >>> her life. > > > >>> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > > > >>in > > > >>> 8H!! > > > >>> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!! > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Regards > > > >>> > Neelam > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Dear All, > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly > > > >>> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and > > > >>> expecting some practical demos. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I am giving an > > > >> interesting case here and the data is authentic. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H. > > > >>> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > > > >>> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more! > > > >>> > > > > >>> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets > > > >>and > > > >>> scandals! > > > >>> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are > > > >>> made by the 8H. > > > >>> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again? > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H. > > > >>> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why? > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > > > >>> > > > > >>> > All comments are welcome! > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Regards > > > >>> > Neelam > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > ÃÆ'‚ > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > This is rubbish talking andÃÆ'‚ not astrology. > > > >>> > ÃÆ'‚ > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa > > > >>> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > > > >>that. > > > >>> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong > > > >>> destruction. > > > >>> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > >>> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or PowerÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and which > > > >>> nobody want > > > >> to see. > > > >>> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY > > > >>> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > >>> > > Indian Kachua > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > > > >>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > >>> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Dear Freinds, > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > > > >>as > > > >>> a > > > >>> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently > > > >> since september > > > >>> 2009 > > > >>> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its > > > >>> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and > > > >>> > > retrograde both. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Will the VRY work here now ? > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and > > > >>> trikonas > > > >>> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam.. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how > > > >>> will > > > >>> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what > > > >>will > > > >>> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles... > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and > > > >>do > > > >>> not > > > >>> > > begin playing > > > >> any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested.. > > > >>. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > best wishes, > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Bhaskar. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > >>> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Manoj ji,Just like empty kendras are not good, full trikas are not good. Its a matter of being IN FOCUS! RegardsNeelam On 2 February 2010 23:25, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:  Neelam Ji,  This is a very interesting point you have raised. But it is a bit counter intuitive isn't it? How about BAV of individual planets? Should natural malefics have low or high BAV's? Regards,  -Manoj  neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Tue, February 2, 2010 9:18:26 AMRe: Re: House No. 8!  Another important point Renu ji,6/8/12 houses should have low SAV scores, otherwise all transiting planets would keep dropping bombshells!! :-)RegardsNeelam On 2 February 2010 21:38, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: Dear Renu ji,In Yogananda's chart, Jupiter and Mars are in Pisces! Own house for Jupiter and friends house for Mars. And you know what Pisces means, right! Most of the planets in satwik signs! Compare that with MM and you'll see the difference! He treaded on a different path altogether! RegardsNeelam On 2 February 2010 21:15, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:  Dear Manoj ji,Nice to see you active again:)// Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual./ /In Paramahamsa Yogananda's natal chart, his 9L is in 8H. 5L and 9L are in 8H. But he achieved so much above a normal human being and only a person with a good deal of past life merits could have reached that status. So how can we justify the above mentioned by you? Is it because his LL Sun & 2/11L Mercury is in the 5H, giving strength to 5H? Hope you will explain...blessings,Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > Neelam Ji,> > She had connections with the Mafia which most probably was the cause (or drug overdose). This is the kind of 8H connection that is dreaded. 8L has gone to the 4H a prime real estate. In this case 8L should be weak or else it is a disaster. Also when the 8L is causing havoc we need the two house lords who can protect us due to past life merits: namely 5H and 9H to be strong. Here both are in the 8H. What a pity !!! > > 9L going to the 8H (12 away) spells trouble for the basic moral fibre of the individual. With 8H dashas being in continuious activation, plenty of opportunity to express this side of the personality with predictable consequences. >  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> Tue, February 2, 2010 7:29:56 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8! > >  > Her death remains a mystery! One of the theories says it could be suicide or overdose of barbiturates. > Nothing has been said with certainty.> > //Dr. Thomas Noguchi of the Los Angeles County Coroners office recorded cause of death as " acute barbiturate poisoning, " resulting from a " probable suicide " . Many theories, including murder, circulated about the circumstances of her death and the timeline after the body was found. Some conspiracy theories involved John and Robert Kennedy, while other theories suggested CIA or Mafia complicity./ / WIKI > > Regards> Neelam> > > On 2 February 2010 19:53, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> >  > >> >Suicides cannot be done by weak people....> >> >Only the strong can commit suicides.> >> >They may be considered weak in the wordly sense, not been able to cope > >with losees, or rectify them, and with no support from, close family> >members, relatuives, or friiends circle or anyone from society to help> >them, they instead of living like a Dog, prefer to commit suicide. One > >needs guts to kill himself.> >> >Try cutting your body with a blade. Its not easy to do this. One must> >have to face so much hopelessness and desperation in Life in order to> >take such a major step in Life. > >> >I am only talking in general and not related to Marilyn Monroe who was a> >darling for all the men who had hearts and masculinity in them to> >romance with this beautiful lady of her times.> >> >regards/Bhaskar.> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > >> ><bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > >>> >> Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >>> >> You are right. If the research oreiented over here, start checking the> >> Horoscopes of Politicans, they will find that most of them have got > >> their positions of affluence , only during the VRY periods. One cannot> >> type cast Amrish Puri, that he will only do bad roles in movies. He> >has> >> acted wonderfully in good roles too. God bless his soul. > >>> >> regards,> >>> >> Bhaskar.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta > >> vchiranjiv@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Marilyn Monroe ?> >> > We are talking too much about scandals. Looks like that is the only> >> thing associated with 8th house. > >> > I have 12th lord in 8th ( Jup ) and read somewhere that i am also> >> supposed to have illicit relations. There must be something.> >> > Plus Indian Kachuaji is not expressing VRY well. Its effects > >> are like seeing an action movie with the main character is an> >antihero.> >> It takes tremendous strength to remain strong in adverse > >> circumstances.> >> >> >> > Chiranjiv Mehta> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > >> > Tuesday, 2 February, 2010, 4:12 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >  > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Of course, I need not add, but she remained with 8H dashas through> >out> >> her life.> >> > Born in Mars of 8H, Rahu aspecting 8th in nakshatra of Jup and Jup > >in> >> 8H!!> >> > Mars-Jup in nakshatra exchange too!!> >> >> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > On 2 February 2010 16:05, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > Dear All,> >> >> >> > I thank all the participants of this discussion. We are fairly> >> advanced, so as to say in theory!! That is why I was calling for and> >> expecting some practical demos.> >> >> >> > I am giving an interesting case here and the data is authentic.> >> >> >> > BT: 1.6.1926/9.30 hrs/ LA, California > >> >> >> > Cancer lagna and 8L Saturn exalted in 4H.> >> > 5L Mars and 9L Jup conjunct in 8H.> >> >> >> > The lady enjoyed and suffered all the 8H results listed down > >> graciously by Sheevani ji, and may be more!> >> >> >> > She was mystery and misery personified. She led a life of secrets> >and> >> scandals!> >> > She had the fatal attraction of 8H. She became the legend which are > >> made by the 8H.> >> > And finally she also died mysteriously! ! May be 8H again?> >> >> >> > Only 36, when she died in the VMD of Jup-Mar in 8H.> >> > An exalted 8L did not give her a long life, why?> >> >> >> > I am sure you all would've guessed who I'm talking about! > >> >> >> > All comments are welcome!> >> >> >> > Regards> >> > Neelam> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 2 February 2010 15:16, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > >> wrote:> >> >> >> > > >> > Â> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > This is rubbish talking and not astrology.> >> > Â> >> > > >> > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Indian Kachuaa> >> <indian_kachua@ ...> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > All VRY gives death blows to natives, depends on who will see > >that.> >> > >  > >> >> >> > > All VRY are not Rajayogas, sometimes those lead to strong> >> destruction.> >> > > ÂÂ> >> > > Like destruction of Wife, Son, Business or Power and which > >> nobody want to see.> >> > >  > >> >> >> > > Family and person suffers alot at the time of frutification of VRY> >> > >  > >> > > Indian Kachua> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > >> >> > > > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> >> >> >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: House No. 8!> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > >> > > Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:24 AM> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >  > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Dear Freinds,> >> > >> >> > > Neelamji requested for a practical example. I offer my Horoscope > >as> >> a> >> > > fishig bait for those who want to hunt. Presently since september> >> 2009> >> > > I am running antardasha of Jupiter, the 8th Lord for my Lagna. Its > >> > > placed in the 6th house with Saturn. Jupiter is debilitated and> >> > > retrograde both.> >> > >> >> > > Will the VRY work here now ?> >> > > > >> > > Froget quoting any rules of Neechbhanga etc.... in kendras and> >> trikonas> >> > > bcoz then I would ask you to refer to Dev keralam..> >> > >> >> > > Let me know your practical views. Will the VRY work here ..and how> >> will> >> > > it manifest itself..and please time it. > >> > >> >> > > Do not talk in symbolic language or philosphy but tell me what> >will> >> > > happen , and when, in Tangibles...> >> > > > >> > > My health is fine by God grace, so talk about material now... and> >do> >> not> >> > > begin playing any Guitar on health or such ..I am not interested.. > >.> >> > >> >> > > best wishes,> >> > >> >> > > Bhaskar.> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!> >> http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > >> >> >>> >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2010 I would like to clear some poin ts about which astrologers fear in talking - 1) Every astrologer also has a family to feed and needs money. 2) Every astrologer also is human and has a sex drive. 3) Every astrologer may also have bad habits or weaknesses being human. So if an Astrologer creates some ways to enhance his financial status through astrology, it must not be considered as a crime as long as he does not fool anybody . So if an Astrologer talks about women and says that he loves them, then it does nto make him evil, as long as he does not go and force himself upon any. So if an Astrologer chews tobacco, or smokes cigareetes or has alcohol, it should not matter to us what he is doing as long as he is good in his job. Sorry, I am blunt, but its high time one must remove the pretentious behaviours and the cloak of sainthood, because most of us are doing few or all of the above highlighted flaws (If we consider them to be one, which one must not because after all every astrologer I remind again, is human), and be bold enough to declare that " What is in my heart is in my expressions too and I dont fool anybody " . What is in the heart and thoughts of ones mind, must come out, instead of being a hypocrite and trying to appear very Noble. Saying " Beti beti " and disrobing a women in imaginations, is a far worser crime in eyes of God instead of telling the women on the face that " I love You " . Translate this explanation into strology please. with a sad heart. Bhaskar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
