Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:53 PM > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > > -geo- > > Strike the " I " and " you " above, and reverse them. > > geo> What? Do you think dan needs your help? Never mind... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:42 PM > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > If you where awake in all and every situation life presents you would not > > be > > a winner, dan. You couldnt care less to be a looser, dan. You would be in > > a > > state where there is nobady to win or loose. You are being conceptual. > > -geo- > > Did you know... that you're Dan? > > geo> That is pure theory. Shit talk. Does it feel crappy to turn toward the truth? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:53 PM > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > > -geo- > > Strike the " I " and " you " above, and reverse them. > > geo> What? Do you think dan needs your help? He was pointing out the way that introjection and projection work. The other you are dealing with is mind constructed. The label for the other reveals the " I. " You can reverse the words " I " and " you " in any sentence. Where I see meaning, you see a meaningless word game. I can reverse the words in the above sentence and it works well, also: Where you see meaning, I see a meaningless word game. " Just as the highest and the lowest notes are equally inaudible, so perhaps, is the greatest sense and the greatest nonsense equally unintelligible. " Allan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self?? > > > > > > > No. This consciousness is a reflection of the ground. Reflection > > > > > > > is not the > > > > > > > thing learned at school at all, no. > > > > > > > Reflection is manifestation. So the ground is being manifested > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > Without the reflection the ground is non-manifested. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > > > > > everything reflects the " ground " which is no-thing > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why awareness and its object are not-two > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why the human consciousness includes everything reflected > > > > > > in > > > > > > the human experience, including the formation of self > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you like anything...it's wrong. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > but then, you knew i'd say that. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > i know you know what the reply to that must be. > > > > > > your wrong.....so i am right. > > > > > > that's the way it always goes. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > everyone wants to be right. > > > > no one wants to lose. > > > > everyone wants someone else to be the one who loses. > > > > - D - > > > > Then the lights are off pall... > > -geo- > > When they are off, they are on. > > - D - > > If you where awake in all and every situation life presents you would not be > a winner, dan. You couldnt care less to be a looser, dan. You would be in a > state where there is nobady to win or loose. You are being conceptual. > -geo- to lose is to win, geo. when the light is off, it's on. every verbal communication is conceptual. what could be more obvious? - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:53 PM > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > > > -geo- > > > > Strike the " I " and " you " above, and reverse them. > > > > geo> What? Do you think dan needs your help? > > He was pointing out the way that introjection and projection work. > > The other you are dealing with is mind constructed. The label for > the other reveals the " I. " Indeed... and this is the mechanism involved with things seeming " twisted " , as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:53 PM > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > > > -geo- > > > > Strike the " I " and " you " above, and reverse them. > > > > geo> What? Do you think dan needs your help? > > He was pointing out the way that introjection and projection work. > > The other you are dealing with is mind constructed. The label for the other reveals the " I. " Indeed... and this is the mechanism involved with things seeming 'twisted', as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > i didn't want the Penguins to lose last night. > > > > i wanted the Red Wings to win. > > > > but i'm still a no one. > > > > and i'm still right. > > > > Detroit will win the cup.. > > > > in 5 or 6 or 7. > > > > Let It Be Written! > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > The Stanley Cup returns to Hockey Town. > > The sages are correct. > > Everything as it is, is exactly as it is to be. > > So It Has Been Written. > > - d - you have been Blessed with the Understanding! Praise the Lord and on tho the Face Off. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:53 PM > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > > > -geo- > > > > Strike the " I " and " you " above, and reverse them. > > > > geo> What? Do you think dan needs your help? > > He was pointing out the way that introjection and projection work. > > The other you are dealing with is mind constructed. In " other " words (heheh), imaginary. The self being dealt with is equally imaginary. One can sit here all day and declare this and nobody believes it, which is reasonable enough (as inquiry is called for, not belief). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self?? > > > > > > > No. This consciousness is a reflection of the ground. Reflection > > > > > > > is not the > > > > > > > thing learned at school at all, no. > > > > > > > Reflection is manifestation. So the ground is being manifested > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > Without the reflection the ground is non-manifested. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > > > > > everything reflects the " ground " which is no-thing > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why awareness and its object are not-two > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why the human consciousness includes everything reflected > > > > > > in > > > > > > the human experience, including the formation of self > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you like anything...it's wrong. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > but then, you knew i'd say that. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > i know you know what the reply to that must be. > > > > > > your wrong.....so i am right. > > > > > > that's the way it always goes. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > everyone wants to be right. > > > > no one wants to lose. > > > > everyone wants someone else to be the one who loses. > > > > - D - > > > > Then the lights are off pall... > > -geo- > > When they are off, they are on. > > - D - > > If you where awake in all and every situation life presents you would not be > a winner, dan. You couldnt care less to be a looser, dan. You would be in a > state where there is nobady to win or loose. You are being conceptual. > -geo- There isn't an " I " to be in that so-called state, which isn't a state. You seem to be conceiving a state that someone could be in, or which could be in someone. Do you see how that's a word game? It's conceptual, not actual. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:20 PM > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Then the lights are off pall... > > > -geo- > > > > When they are off, they are on. > > > > - D - > > Ain't it the truth... everything is its opposite. > > geo> Right. So when someone says he is selfless in every life situation that > may present.... it is the opposite. I agree. And I'm not saying that I am selfless in every life situation. I am saying that every life situation arises without involving any separately existing " I " ever. What I've said is that if there is no 'I' center here, there is no 'I' center anywhere. You are making this into a word game, but you don't seem aware that this is what's happening. You are taking statements I make about " no I " then making that a personal quality I am claiming for me. And that is not what is being said. I am saying there is no 'I' center in any body-mind organism. The formation of personality, that seems to produce a center, is formed not because of that center, and never really has produced such a center. There is a lens that can be used, in which an I-center is granted provisional make-believe existence. One can use that lens or not use it. It's like using an orange filter to cover your eye. Everything will look orange. Take away the filter, and everything is the color it was all along. This is an analogy. It is not what is actually taking place. One observes directly what is occurring. This can't be gotten from someone else's words or someone else's presence. I don't know how much more clear I can be about this. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:04 PM > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:10 PM > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self?? > > > > > > > No. This consciousness is a reflection of the ground. Reflection > > > > > > > is not the > > > > > > > thing learned at school at all, no. > > > > > > > Reflection is manifestation. So the ground is being manifested > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > Without the reflection the ground is non-manifested. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > > > > > everything reflects the " ground " which is no-thing > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why awareness and its object are not-two > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why the human consciousness includes everything reflected > > > > > > in > > > > > > the human experience, including the formation of self > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you like anything...it's wrong. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > but then, you knew i'd say that. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > i know you know what the reply to that must be. > > > > > > your wrong.....so i am right. > > > > > > that's the way it always goes. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > everyone wants to be right. > > > > no one wants to lose. > > > > everyone wants someone else to be the one who loses. > > > > - D - > > > > Then the lights are off pall... > > -geo- > > The dissolution of any somebodies ever winning or losing is also the > dissolution of any concern about whether lights are on or off. > > - D - > > The dissolution of any somebodies ever winning or losing is no concern with > winning or loosing. I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > -geo- So, you are the " winner, " and I am the " loser. " But it's not a game, right? Okay, I lose. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:42 PM > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > If you where awake in all and every situation life presents you would not > > be > > a winner, dan. You couldnt care less to be a looser, dan. You would be in > > a > > state where there is nobady to win or loose. You are being conceptual. > > -geo- > > Did you know... that you're Dan? > > geo> That is pure theory. Shit talk. As is saying that these dialogues are > imaginary. Each word utterd, writen, that you read on the screen is carried > with meaning. The sequence of symbols provoke a cacade of feelings that are > not issuing in your body. Their source is in another organism. What are you > talking about? What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:20 PM > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > Then the lights are off pall... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > When they are off, they are on. > > > > > > - D - > > > > Ain't it the truth... everything is its opposite. > > > > geo> Right. So when someone says he is selfless in every life situation that > > may present.... it is the opposite. > > I agree. > > And I'm not saying that I am selfless in every life situation. > > I am saying that every life situation arises without involving any separately existing " I " ever. > > What I've said is that if there is no 'I' center here, there is no 'I' center anywhere. > > You are making this into a word game, but you don't seem aware that this is what's happening. You are taking statements I make about " no I " then making that a personal quality I am claiming for me. And that is not what is being said. > > I am saying there is no 'I' center in any body-mind organism. > > The formation of personality, that seems to produce a center, is > formed not because of that center, and never really has produced > such a center. Moreover, isn't personality something 'others' observe, in construction of perceived 'other'? Or perceived 'self'? I note no personality here. Thoughts arise. Others may perceive certain automatic habits, which correspond to 'personality'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:42 PM > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > If you where awake in all and every situation life presents you would not > > > be > > > a winner, dan. You couldnt care less to be a looser, dan. You would be in > > > a > > > state where there is nobady to win or loose. You are being conceptual. > > > -geo- > > > > Did you know... that you're Dan? > > > > geo> That is pure theory. Shit talk. As is saying that these dialogues are > > imaginary. Each word utterd, writen, that you read on the screen is carried > > with meaning. The sequence of symbols provoke a cacade of feelings that are > > not issuing in your body. Their source is in another organism. What are you > > talking about? > > What are you talking about? Perhaps I can clarify a bit ;-). When I said Geo is Dan, I didn't mean " Dan, the organism " . I meant " Dan, the perceived personality " . Notice our use of terms like " the person behind the words " . Is not the reader who conceives of this person (imaginarily) positioned directly behind the words themselves? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > i didn't want the Penguins to lose last night. > > > > > > i wanted the Red Wings to win. > > > > > > but i'm still a no one. > > > > > > and i'm still right. > > > > > > Detroit will win the cup.. > > > > > > in 5 or 6 or 7. > > > > > > Let It Be Written! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > The Stanley Cup returns to Hockey Town. > > > > The sages are correct. > > > > Everything as it is, is exactly as it is to be. > > > > So It Has Been Written. > > > > - d - > > > you have been Blessed with the Understanding! > > Praise the Lord and on tho the Face Off. > > :-) > > .b b.b. Ah, " Face Off. " John Woo, good stuff: Castor Troy: Lies, deceit, mixed messages... this is turning into a real marriage. Castor Troy: Isn't this religious, ah yes. The eternal battle between good and evil, saint and sinners... but you are still not having fun. Sean Archer: I want to take his face... off. Eyes, nose, skin, teeth. It's coming off. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:53 PM > > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Strike the " I " and " you " above, and reverse them. > > > > > > geo> What? Do you think dan needs your help? > > > > He was pointing out the way that introjection and projection work. > > > > The other you are dealing with is mind constructed. > > In " other " words (heheh), imaginary. The self being dealt with is equally imaginary. One can sit here all day and declare this and nobody believes it, which is reasonable enough (as inquiry is called for, not belief). Agreed. If it is taken as a belief that is being proposed, all it generates is contention, a target to be fought against with other beliefs. It is only when inquiry happens, that the assumptions being held are opened to dissolution. -- d -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:04 PM > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:10 PM > > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self?? > > > > > > > > No. This consciousness is a reflection of the ground. Reflection > > > > > > > > is not the > > > > > > > > thing learned at school at all, no. > > > > > > > > Reflection is manifestation. So the ground is being manifested > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > Without the reflection the ground is non-manifested. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything reflects the " ground " which is no-thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why awareness and its object are not-two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why the human consciousness includes everything reflected > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the human experience, including the formation of self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you like anything...it's wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > > > but then, you knew i'd say that. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > i know you know what the reply to that must be. > > > > > > > > your wrong.....so i am right. > > > > > > > > that's the way it always goes. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > everyone wants to be right. > > > > > > no one wants to lose. > > > > > > everyone wants someone else to be the one who loses. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Then the lights are off pall... > > > -geo- > > > > The dissolution of any somebodies ever winning or losing is also the > > dissolution of any concern about whether lights are on or off. > > > > - D - > > > > The dissolution of any somebodies ever winning or losing is no concern with > > winning or loosing. I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > > -geo- > > So, you are the " winner, " and I am the " loser. " But it's not a game, right? > > Okay, I lose. > > - D - there are no winners nor losers. but.. i could be wrong. i was once. about sixty years a go. i had a " junior moment " . i had thought i was wrong about something. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > > > -geo- > > > > Strike the " I " and " you " above, and reverse them. > > > > geo> What? Do you think dan needs your help? > > He was pointing out the way that introjection and projection work. > > The other you are dealing with is mind constructed. In " other " words (heheh), imaginary. The self being dealt with is equally imaginary. One can sit here all day and declare this and nobody believes it, which is reasonable enough (as inquiry is called for, not belief). geo> Tim, what makes you feel that you are the only one here that knows that the self is imaginary? Do you honestly believe that? I mean...reading these messages, dont you see.....never mind. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 3/6/2009 20:46:22 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:55 PM Re: me know nothing Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self?? > > > > > > > No. This consciousness is a reflection of the ground. > > > > > > > Reflection > > > > > > > is not the > > > > > > > thing learned at school at all, no. > > > > > > > Reflection is manifestation. So the ground is being manifested > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > Without the reflection the ground is non-manifested. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > > > > > everything reflects the " ground " which is no-thing > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why awareness and its object are not-two > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why the human consciousness includes everything > > > > > > reflected > > > > > > in > > > > > > the human experience, including the formation of self > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you like anything...it's wrong. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > but then, you knew i'd say that. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > i know you know what the reply to that must be. > > > > > > your wrong.....so i am right. > > > > > > that's the way it always goes. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > everyone wants to be right. > > > > no one wants to lose. > > > > everyone wants someone else to be the one who loses. > > > > - D - > > > > Then the lights are off pall... > > -geo- > > When they are off, they are on. > > - D - > > If you where awake in all and every situation life presents you would not > be > a winner, dan. You couldnt care less to be a looser, dan. You would be in > a > state where there is nobady to win or loose. You are being conceptual. > -geo- There isn't an " I " to be in that so-called state, which isn't a state. You seem to be conceiving a state that someone could be in, or which could be in someone. Do you see how that's a word game? It's conceptual, not actual. - D - Not conceptual at all. There is none to be a winner or looser. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 3/6/2009 20:46:22 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:09 PM Re: me know nothing Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:04 PM > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:10 PM > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self?? > > > > > > > No. This consciousness is a reflection of the ground. > > > > > > > Reflection > > > > > > > is not the > > > > > > > thing learned at school at all, no. > > > > > > > Reflection is manifestation. So the ground is being manifested > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > Without the reflection the ground is non-manifested. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > > > > > everything reflects the " ground " which is no-thing > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why awareness and its object are not-two > > > > > > > > > > > > this is why the human consciousness includes everything > > > > > > reflected > > > > > > in > > > > > > the human experience, including the formation of self > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you like anything...it's wrong. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > i like the way you said this. > > > > > > > > but then, you knew i'd say that. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > i know you know what the reply to that must be. > > > > > > your wrong.....so i am right. > > > > > > that's the way it always goes. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > everyone wants to be right. > > > > no one wants to lose. > > > > everyone wants someone else to be the one who loses. > > > > - D - > > > > Then the lights are off pall... > > -geo- > > The dissolution of any somebodies ever winning or losing is also the > dissolution of any concern about whether lights are on or off. > > - D - > > The dissolution of any somebodies ever winning or losing is no concern > with > winning or loosing. I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > -geo- So, you are the " winner, " and I am the " loser. " But it's not a game, right? Okay, I lose. - D - NO! I AM THE LOSER!! -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 3/6/2009 20:46:24 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > The dissolution of any somebodies ever winning or losing is no concern > > with > > winning or loosing. I am not playing with words - as you are trying. > > -geo- > > So, you are the " winner, " and I am the " loser. " But it's not a game, right? > > Okay, I lose. > > - D - > > NO! I AM THE LOSER!! > -geo- Okay, you lose. Now, I want a chance to lose. We've talked about the dissolution of somebodies. Let's talk about the dissolution of antibodies. Antibodies dissolve when there isn't any body to be anti. That was a stupid thing to say. Anything you say is right. I lose! - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Then the lights are off pall... > > > -geo- > > > > When they are off, they are on. > > > > - D - > > Ain't it the truth... everything is its opposite. > > geo> Right. So when someone says he is selfless in every life situation > that > may present.... it is the opposite. I agree. And I'm not saying that I am selfless in every life situation. I am saying that every life situation arises without involving any separately existing " I " ever. What I've said is that if there is no 'I' center here, there is no 'I' center anywhere. You are making this into a word game, but you don't seem aware that this is what's happening. You are taking statements I make about " no I " then making that a personal quality I am claiming for me. And that is not what is being said. I am saying there is no 'I' center in any body-mind organism. The formation of personality, that seems to produce a center, is formed not because of that center, and never really has produced such a center. There is a lens that can be used, in which an I-center is granted provisional make-believe existence. One can use that lens or not use it. It's like using an orange filter to cover your eye. Everything will look orange. Take away the filter, and everything is the color it was all along. This is an analogy. It is not what is actually taking place. One observes directly what is occurring. This can't be gotten from someone else's words or someone else's presence. I don't know how much more clear I can be about this. - D - geo> To say that there is no center from a centered situation is theory. It is ignorance. I am not saying that this is the case here, but in general. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 3/6/2009 20:46:24 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:19 PM Re: me know nothing Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:42 PM > > Re: me know nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > If you where awake in all and every situation life presents you would > > > not > > > be > > > a winner, dan. You couldnt care less to be a looser, dan. You would be > > > in > > > a > > > state where there is nobady to win or loose. You are being conceptual. > > > -geo- > > > > Did you know... that you're Dan? > > > > geo> That is pure theory. Shit talk. As is saying that these dialogues > > are > > imaginary. Each word utterd, writen, that you read on the screen is > > carried > > with meaning. The sequence of symbols provoke a cacade of feelings that > > are > > not issuing in your body. Their source is in another organism. What are > > you > > talking about? > > What are you talking about? Perhaps I can clarify a bit ;-). When I said Geo is Dan, I didn't mean " Dan, the organism " . I meant " Dan, the perceived personality " . Notice our use of terms like " the person behind the words " . Is not the reader who conceives of this person (imaginarily) positioned directly behind the words themselves? geof> Yes it is. As long there is a personality here. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 3/6/2009 20:46:25 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > geo> To say that there is no center from a centered situation is theory. It > is ignorance. I am not saying that this is the case here, but in general. There is no centered situation. There is centered interpretation. To try to locate who one is into an interpretation, to try to make it an actual centered situation, is folly. Is ignore-ance. You have to ignore the truth of who one is in order to attempt it. To attempt to exist in a centered situation, from which to maintain a theory about how there is no center, is a contradiction. To add a contradiction on top of ignore-ant folly, is ... well, it's about as smart as using a sledge hammer to cut off a pat of butter. ;-) If one notices bars of butter spattered around the room, smeared all over the table, and pieces of the table on the floor, it's time to look into the butter knife one is using... if you get my drift ... - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 4, 2009 > geo> To say that there is no center from a centered situation is theory. > It > is ignorance. I am not saying that this is the case here, but in general. There is no centered situation. There is centered interpretation. geo> No problem. Use the term centered interpretation. If an organism is interpreting a center in itself, interpreting as if there was some inner entity, and says that there is no such interpretation happening....well, what do you call that? I am calling that theory. Why do you object? Let us not make this seem to theoretical...lets face it. 99,9999999% of mankind interpret that inner center. Dont we see the results? === To try to locate who one is into an interpretation, to try to make it an actual centered situation, is folly. Is ignore-ance. You have to ignore the truth of who one is in order to attempt it. geo> What those 99,99999999% do? BTW, not that I care much.... === To attempt to exist in a centered situation, from which to maintain a theory about how there is no center, is a contradiction. geo> What do you mean to attempt? People do it because they cant help it. This river of ignorance was not invented by geo. It is here since...........................................................................\ ..................................This river is concrete and real.... and sucks. People kill, rob, torture, hate..etc...because of it. I am not being some kind of a sentimental monk, just making sure we see its reality. Now you will explain to me how these centers are not...please dont. I know. ==== To add a contradiction on top of ignore-ant folly, is ... well, it's about as smart as using a sledge hammer to cut off a pat of butter. ;-) If one notices bars of butter spattered around the room, smeared all over the table, and pieces of the table on the floor, it's time to look into the butter knife one is using... if you get my drift ... - d - avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 3/6/2009 21:27:52 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
