Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:59 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:45 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:09 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who > > > > have > > > > selves lurking. > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any > > > > time. > > > > > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > > > > > Laughter -- > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of > > > > human > > > > world, as one movement? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Awareness is undivided. > > > > > > Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. > > > > > > Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one > > > movement, > > > awareness is the nondivided " movement. " > > > > > > This " movement " is stillness. > > > > > > It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " > > > > > > Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but > > > not > > > limited to the human being. > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > awareness is NOT energy. > > > > undivided or otherwise. > > > > energy is merely a different phase state of matter. > > > > it is not a " field " . > > > > a field is dependent upon a wave/particle duality. > > > > awareness is not awareness. > > > > any talk of division or the non divided is error. > > > > non divided has meaning ONLY in relationship to the divided. > > > > foolishness. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > No bbb. When he says " energy " he is not referring to what you learn in > > high > > school. After all he must use a name to refer to it. > > Also " field " is not related to our three dimensions. > > -geo- > > uh geo.. > > high school??? > > c'mon! > > there is no need of a name. > > names designate " somethings " . > > and there are no somethings. > > and the field relates to S-Matrix strings in M theory. > > 11 or 26 dimensions. > > the math works for both. > > we're not playing with a nursery rhyme. > > it's void. > > non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time.. > > it's not in the domain of ponderablity. > > .b b.b. > > " non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time..it's not in the > domain > of ponderablity " > Well... youjust invented a another new name to it - just a bit longer. The > same. > -geo- > > > .b b.b. sure..whatever gets you through your night. ..b b.b. gotta go. be back in a few non existing hours. be patient and try to stay awake kids. i will return with the answers you need. ..b b.b. LOL...OK...meanwhile I'll make up the list.. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:09 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who > > > > have > > > > selves lurking. > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any > > > > time. > > > > > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > > > > > Laughter -- > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of > > > > human > > > > world, as one movement? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Awareness is undivided. > > > > > > Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. > > > > > > Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one movement, > > > awareness is the nondivided " movement. " > > > > > > This " movement " is stillness. > > > > > > It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " > > > > > > Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but not > > > limited to the human being. > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > awareness is NOT energy. > > > > undivided or otherwise. > > > > energy is merely a different phase state of matter. > > > > it is not a " field " . > > > > a field is dependent upon a wave/particle duality. > > > > awareness is not awareness. > > > > any talk of division or the non divided is error. > > > > non divided has meaning ONLY in relationship to the divided. > > > > foolishness. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > No bbb. When he says " energy " he is not referring to what you learn in high > > school. After all he must use a name to refer to it. > > Also " field " is not related to our three dimensions. > > -geo- > > > > uh geo.. > > high school??? > > c'mon! > > there is no need of a name. > > names designate " somethings " . > > and there are no somethings. > > and the field relates to S-Matrix strings in M theory. > > 11 or 26 dimensions. > > the math works for both. > > we're not playing with a nursery rhyme. > > it's void. > > non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time.. > > it's not in the domain of ponderablity. > > .b b.b. > > .b b.b. double .b b.b.'s? duelling b.b.'s? yes, regardless of how many dimensions physics can conjure the unnameable remains unnameable the one of no qualities will never be named here yet it geometrizes as physics, and through human thought calling it nothing doesn't work any better than calling it awareness, energy, or not-two on this list humans are communicating and we go on and on about how there is no " we " and nothing is, and only nothing is, and there is no other to communicate it to and all these posts happen -- that will never say anything that can be validated, or that needs to be validated - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > b.b. doesn't write a lot of what he records. > > i've produced enough of it to know. > > you don't know what your saying. > > not about b.b. > > and not about most of what you say. > > put on a CD and relax. > > .b b.b. I know nothing. Hogan's Heroes: " Hogan: You see, sir, today is one of our national holidays - repeal of prohibition. Schultz: I see NOTHING! I know NOTHING! " What can i tell you? Nothing. Maybe I'll put on " The Trout Quintet " and relax. lol. - d. d. king - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > " non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time..it's not in the domain > of ponderablity " > Well... youjust invented a another new name to it - just a bit longer. The > same. > -geo- funny. true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have > > > > > > > selves lurking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laughter -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of human > > > > > > > world, as one movement? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is undivided. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one movement, awareness is the nondivided " movement. " > > > > > > > > > > > > This " movement " is stillness. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but not limited to the human being. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness is NOT energy. > > > > > > > > > > undivided or otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > energy is merely a different phase state of matter. > > > > > > > > > > it is not a " field " . > > > > > > > > > > a field is dependent upon a wave/particle duality. > > > > > > > > > > awareness is not awareness. > > > > > > > > > > any talk of division or the non divided is error. > > > > > > > > > > non divided has meaning ONLY in relationship to the divided. > > > > > > > > > > foolishness. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > awareness/matter not-two bobby > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit danny boy. > > > > > > matter is not awareness. > > > > > > energy is not awareness. > > > > > > spacetime is not awareness. > > > > > > awareness is not awareness not-two danny > > > > > > not too bobby. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > awareness and what it is aware of are not-two, bobby who doesn't exist. > > > > - d - > > > we are not in touch with the same same. > > you keep yours. > > it won't do you any good. > > for a reason. > > .b b.b. it has nothing to do with being in touch with something. it has nothing to do with me knowing anything. it forms me without involving a me. and forms you the same. no matter how much you protest. you don't get to have any special understanding of your own. neither do i. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > not everything dan. > > > > > > just your bullshit. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > you can't stop saying bullshit over and over. > > > > and you insist there is no " you " > > > > you think it is god saying " bullshit " through bobby > > > > lol. > > > > - d - > > > yes. > > .b b.b. it comes across like that bobby. you are the chosen one. to say bullshit over and over. on god's behalf. nice. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'you' ;-). That's the title of the 'self-image'. No such entity ever existed, anywhere. Thus, no 'you' will be shocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you keep repeating that there is no you, and you keep saying this to no one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever works for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is a shock. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't fit the expected mode of perception based on memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is what the " you " the " me " is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoidance of the shock of what is, is what keeps the repetition of thought going, the recurrent return to the reservoir of memories. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Including the repetition on this list that there is no you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a repetition of a thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just keep repeating that to the nonexistent self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what a fucking shocker huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > the nonexistent self. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are not speaking to anyone, bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > - d. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > just keep repeating that hogwash. > > > > > > > > > > it seems to thrill you. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > keep repeating " bullshit " it seems to thrill you. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > just keep repeating me that seems to be all you can do. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > exactly. > > > > thanks for validating my point. > > > > - d - > > > that's pointless. > > .b b.b. yes, the point is pointless. correct. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > No bbb. When he says " energy " he is not referring to what you learn in high > > > school. After all he must use a name to refer to it. > > > Also " field " is not related to our three dimensions. > > > -geo- > > > > true. yet it includes the energy learned about in high school > > > > and includes our four dimensions (time being one of them) > > > > - d - > > > wrong. > > .b b.b. nothing is excluded. no outside of it. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > sure..whatever gets you through your night. > > .b b.b. > > gotta go. > > be back in a few non existing hours. > > be patient and try to stay awake kids. > > i will return with the answers you need. > > .b b.b. cool. have fun. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:45 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > With the dissolution of human body, consciousness also dissolves. > > > > What about awareness? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > or, as richard dreyfus would say, " what about bob? " > > > > > > if the body consciousness dissolves, there is awareness of the > > > dissolving > > > > > > awareness/arisings awareness/dissolutions > > > > > > not-two > > > > > > beginningless endless > > > > > > and what of no-thing? > > > > > > no arising no dissolution no awareness no nothing? > > > > > > what of what can't be thunk or said? > > > > > > you won't read it on this list if you follow the posts for a hundred > > > years > > > > > > everyone in that movie BUT richard dreyfus asked: > > > > what about bob. > > > > .b b.b. > > exactly > > good point. > > finally, a point worth reading has been made on this list. > > who woulda thunk? > > - d - > > An you say there is no center in whatever you do in any situaton... in your > life. > Is this coming from the ground, or what? > -geo- there is nothing that is not coming from the ground. there are no divisions, just reflections. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > I am the witness of two centerless centers conversing - straight up from the > ground. > I think its god himself in a monologue. LOL > -geo- yes. it all is. appearance; and dialogue occurs. no-appearance; no dialogue. on all sides. multi-multi-log. reflections of reflections. love. - d - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 > > > > > With the dissolution of human body, consciousness also dissolves. > > > > What about awareness? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > or, as richard dreyfus would say, " what about bob? " > > > > > > if the body consciousness dissolves, there is awareness of the > > > dissolving > > > > > > awareness/arisings awareness/dissolutions > > > > > > not-two > > > > > > beginningless endless > > > > > > and what of no-thing? > > > > > > no arising no dissolution no awareness no nothing? > > > > > > what of what can't be thunk or said? > > > > > > you won't read it on this list if you follow the posts for a hundred > > > years > > > > > > everyone in that movie BUT richard dreyfus asked: > > > > what about bob. > > > > .b b.b. > > exactly > > good point. > > finally, a point worth reading has been made on this list. > > who woulda thunk? > > - d - > > An you say there is no center in whatever you do in any situaton... in > your > life. > Is this coming from the ground, or what? > -geo- there is nothing that is not coming from the ground. there are no divisions, just reflections. - d - Well, there is no way I can be sure...but by the looks of the dialogue, by the reaction-type messages I tend to beleive that thats just theory. In the moment of the heat you are lost in the center....and a few minutes later you say there is nothing that is not coming from the ground. No problems....you are just like me. :>) -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:47 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another > > > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'you' ;-). That's the title of the 'self-image'. > > > > > > > > No such entity ever existed, anywhere. Thus, no 'you' will be > > > > > > > > shocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you keep repeating that there is no you, and you keep saying > > > > > > > this to no one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever works for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is a shock. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't fit the expected mode of perception based on memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is what the " you " the " me " is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoidance of the shock of what is, is what keeps the repetition > > > > > > > of thought going, the recurrent return to the reservoir of > > > > > > > memories. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Including the repetition on this list that there is no you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a repetition of a thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just keep repeating that to the nonexistent self. > > > > > > > > > > > > what a fucking shocker huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > the nonexistent self. > > > > > > > > > > you are not speaking to anyone, bob. > > > > > > > > > > - d. - > > > > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit. > > > > > > > > just keep repeating that hogwash. > > > > > > > > it seems to thrill you. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > keep repeating " bullshit " it seems to thrill you. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > just keep repeating me that seems to be all you can do. > > > > .b b.b. > > exactly. > > thanks for validating my point. > > - d - > > I am the witness of two centerless centers conversing - straight up from the > ground. > I think its god himself in a monologue. LOL > -geo- god doesn't speak through me. i speak through god. so listen up! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:09 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who > > > > > have > > > > > selves lurking. > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > > > > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > > > > > > > Laughter -- > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of > > > > > human > > > > > world, as one movement? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Awareness is undivided. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one movement, > > > > awareness is the nondivided " movement. " > > > > > > > > This " movement " is stillness. > > > > > > > > It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " > > > > > > > > Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but not > > > > limited to the human being. > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > awareness is NOT energy. > > > > > > undivided or otherwise. > > > > > > energy is merely a different phase state of matter. > > > > > > it is not a " field " . > > > > > > a field is dependent upon a wave/particle duality. > > > > > > awareness is not awareness. > > > > > > any talk of division or the non divided is error. > > > > > > non divided has meaning ONLY in relationship to the divided. > > > > > > foolishness. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > No bbb. When he says " energy " he is not referring to what you learn in high > > > school. After all he must use a name to refer to it. > > > Also " field " is not related to our three dimensions. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > uh geo.. > > > > high school??? > > > > c'mon! > > > > there is no need of a name. > > > > names designate " somethings " . > > > > and there are no somethings. > > > > and the field relates to S-Matrix strings in M theory. > > > > 11 or 26 dimensions. > > > > the math works for both. > > > > we're not playing with a nursery rhyme. > > > > it's void. > > > > non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time.. > > > > it's not in the domain of ponderablity. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > double .b b.b.'s? > > duelling b.b.'s? > > yes, regardless of how many dimensions physics can conjure > > the unnameable remains unnameable > > the one of no qualities will never be named here > > yet it geometrizes as physics, and through human thought > > calling it nothing doesn't work any better than calling it awareness, energy, or not-two > > on this list humans are communicating > > and we go on and on about how there is no " we " and nothing is, and only nothing is, and there is no other to communicate it to > > and all these posts happen -- > > that will never say anything that can be validated, or that needs to be validated > > - d - that's not validatable. and that's not a word. and that's not important. game 3 of the Stanley Cup however is. Go Detroit! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:59 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:45 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:09 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who > > > > > have > > > > > selves lurking. > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > > > > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > > > > > > > Laughter -- > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of > > > > > human > > > > > world, as one movement? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Awareness is undivided. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. > > > > > > > > Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one > > > > movement, > > > > awareness is the nondivided " movement. " > > > > > > > > This " movement " is stillness. > > > > > > > > It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " > > > > > > > > Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but > > > > not > > > > limited to the human being. > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > awareness is NOT energy. > > > > > > undivided or otherwise. > > > > > > energy is merely a different phase state of matter. > > > > > > it is not a " field " . > > > > > > a field is dependent upon a wave/particle duality. > > > > > > awareness is not awareness. > > > > > > any talk of division or the non divided is error. > > > > > > non divided has meaning ONLY in relationship to the divided. > > > > > > foolishness. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > No bbb. When he says " energy " he is not referring to what you learn in > > > high > > > school. After all he must use a name to refer to it. > > > Also " field " is not related to our three dimensions. > > > -geo- > > > > uh geo.. > > > > high school??? > > > > c'mon! > > > > there is no need of a name. > > > > names designate " somethings " . > > > > and there are no somethings. > > > > and the field relates to S-Matrix strings in M theory. > > > > 11 or 26 dimensions. > > > > the math works for both. > > > > we're not playing with a nursery rhyme. > > > > it's void. > > > > non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time.. > > > > it's not in the domain of ponderablity. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > " non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time..it's not in the > > domain > > of ponderablity " > > Well... youjust invented a another new name to it - just a bit longer. The > > same. > > -geo- > > > > > > .b b.b. > > sure..whatever gets you through your night. > > .b b.b. > > gotta go. > > be back in a few non existing hours. > > be patient and try to stay awake kids. > > i will return with the answers you need. > > .b b.b. > > LOL...OK...meanwhile I'll make up the list.. > -geo- anything you want..you got it. anything at all..you got it. of course the thing about things is that there aren't any. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > b.b. doesn't write a lot of what he records. > > > > i've produced enough of it to know. > > > > you don't know what your saying. > > > > not about b.b. > > > > and not about most of what you say. > > > > put on a CD and relax. > > > > .b b.b. > > I know nothing. > > Hogan's Heroes: > > " Hogan: You see, sir, today is one of our national holidays - repeal of prohibition. > > Schultz: I see NOTHING! I know NOTHING! " > > What can i tell you? > > Nothing. > > Maybe I'll put on " The Trout Quintet " and relax. > > lol. > > - d. d. king - the thrill is gone d.d. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > " non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time..it's not in the domain > > of ponderablity " > > Well... youjust invented a another new name to it - just a bit longer. The > > same. > > -geo- > > funny. true. what it? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have > > > > > > > > selves lurking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laughter -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of human > > > > > > > > world, as one movement? > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is undivided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one movement, awareness is the nondivided " movement. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This " movement " is stillness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but not limited to the human being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness is NOT energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > undivided or otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > energy is merely a different phase state of matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a " field " . > > > > > > > > > > > > a field is dependent upon a wave/particle duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness is not awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > any talk of division or the non divided is error. > > > > > > > > > > > > non divided has meaning ONLY in relationship to the divided. > > > > > > > > > > > > foolishness. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > awareness/matter not-two bobby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit danny boy. > > > > > > > > matter is not awareness. > > > > > > > > energy is not awareness. > > > > > > > > spacetime is not awareness. > > > > > > > > awareness is not awareness not-two danny > > > > > > > > not too bobby. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > awareness and what it is aware of are not-two, bobby who doesn't exist. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > we are not in touch with the same same. > > > > you keep yours. > > > > it won't do you any good. > > > > for a reason. > > > > .b b.b. > > it has nothing to do with being in touch with something. > > it has nothing to do with me knowing anything. > > it forms me without involving a me. > > and forms you the same. > > no matter how much you protest. > > you don't get to have any special understanding of your own. > > neither do i. > > - d - preachy. dull. understanding is for saps that want to believe.. that there is something to understand. drink some warm Ovaltine captain marvel. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > not everything dan. > > > > > > > > just your bullshit. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > you can't stop saying bullshit over and over. > > > > > > and you insist there is no " you " > > > > > > you think it is god saying " bullshit " through bobby > > > > > > lol. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > yes. > > > > .b b.b. > > it comes across like that bobby. > > you are the chosen one. > > to say bullshit over and over. > > on god's behalf. > > nice. > > - d - bullshit! god speaks on my behalf. god and me... are not two daniel. this Truth has just not been given to you to " get " as of yet. yet.. i feel sorrow for you as god has put a word in on your behalf. that word is bullshit. i merely share it for your salvation. that's deadly business. your salvation is in your annihilation. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'you' ;-). That's the title of the 'self-image'. No such entity ever existed, anywhere. Thus, no 'you' will be shocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you keep repeating that there is no you, and you keep saying this to no one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever works for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is a shock. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't fit the expected mode of perception based on memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is what the " you " the " me " is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoidance of the shock of what is, is what keeps the repetition of thought going, the recurrent return to the reservoir of memories. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Including the repetition on this list that there is no you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a repetition of a thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just keep repeating that to the nonexistent self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what a fucking shocker huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the nonexistent self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are not speaking to anyone, bob. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > just keep repeating that hogwash. > > > > > > > > > > > > it seems to thrill you. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > keep repeating " bullshit " it seems to thrill you. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > just keep repeating me that seems to be all you can do. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > exactly. > > > > > > thanks for validating my point. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > that's pointless. > > > > .b b.b. > > yes, the point is pointless. > > correct. > > - d - there is no point. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's your story. > > > > > > > > > > > > and you are avoiding admitting it. > > > > > > > > > > > > not that it. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > either you're addressing yourself, or a " you " that you say doesn't exist. > > > > > > > > > > if selves don't exist, then perhaps you're the one who is benefitting from your talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no benefit. > > > > > > > > there is no merit. > > > > > > > > you go straight to hell for imagining either. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > your imagined hell is the only one you can go to. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > no. > > > > hell is here. > > > > .b b.b. > > only if you are here, trying to do something with it. > > - d - oh well hell danny where are you? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > sure..whatever gets you through your night. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > gotta go. > > > > be back in a few non existing hours. > > > > be patient and try to stay awake kids. > > > > i will return with the answers you need. > > > > .b b.b. > > cool. > > have fun. > > - d - i AM fun. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:45 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > With the dissolution of human body, consciousness also dissolves. > > > > > What about awareness? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > or, as richard dreyfus would say, " what about bob? " > > > > > > > > if the body consciousness dissolves, there is awareness of the > > > > dissolving > > > > > > > > awareness/arisings awareness/dissolutions > > > > > > > > not-two > > > > > > > > beginningless endless > > > > > > > > and what of no-thing? > > > > > > > > no arising no dissolution no awareness no nothing? > > > > > > > > what of what can't be thunk or said? > > > > > > > > you won't read it on this list if you follow the posts for a hundred > > > > years > > > > > > > > > everyone in that movie BUT richard dreyfus asked: > > > > > > what about bob. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > exactly > > > > good point. > > > > finally, a point worth reading has been made on this list. > > > > who woulda thunk? > > > > - d - > > > > An you say there is no center in whatever you do in any situaton... in your > > life. > > Is this coming from the ground, or what? > > -geo- > > there is nothing that is not coming from the ground. > > there are no divisions, just reflections. > > - d - maybe there are no divisions.. there are many multiplications. reflect on that. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:24 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > " non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time..it's not in the > > domain > > of ponderablity " > > Well... youjust invented a another new name to it - just a bit longer. > > The > > same. > > -geo- > > funny. true. what it? ..b b.b. What it? Wait i'll look it up in the diccionary: ....here it is:... " non dimensional..non energy...non matter/space/time..it's not in the domain of ponderablity " Got it? ooops.. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > With the dissolution of human body, consciousness also dissolves. > > > > > What about awareness? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > or, as richard dreyfus would say, " what about bob? " > > > > > > > > if the body consciousness dissolves, there is awareness of the > > > > dissolving > > > > > > > > awareness/arisings awareness/dissolutions > > > > > > > > not-two > > > > > > > > beginningless endless > > > > > > > > and what of no-thing? > > > > > > > > no arising no dissolution no awareness no nothing? > > > > > > > > what of what can't be thunk or said? > > > > > > > > you won't read it on this list if you follow the posts for a hundred > > > > years > > > > > > > > > everyone in that movie BUT richard dreyfus asked: > > > > > > what about bob. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > exactly > > > > good point. > > > > finally, a point worth reading has been made on this list. > > > > who woulda thunk? > > > > - d - > > > > An you say there is no center in whatever you do in any situaton... in > > your > > life. > > Is this coming from the ground, or what? > > -geo- > > there is nothing that is not coming from the ground. > > there are no divisions, just reflections. > > - d - > > Well, there is no way I can be sure...but by the looks of the dialogue, by > the reaction-type messages I tend to beleive that thats just theory. In the > moment of the heat you are lost in the center....and a few minutes later you > say there is nothing that is not coming from the ground. No problems....you > are just like me. :>) > -geo- Thanks. I'm okay with being like you. I'm not trying to be special. I'm not trying to be beyond reactivity, nor am I claiming that I have any special status or better way of being than someone else. I am content with being aware. Whatever I'm experiencing is through being aware. Same would be true for " you " as for " me. " How can there be an experience that you experience without any awareness? How would it register as an experience that affected you in some way? We keep having dialogues on this list saying " there is no 'you'. " This is the same as saying " there is no center to being-aware. " This means, directly, in terms of experience, that whatever experience you're aware of is not separable from being aware, and therefore neither awareness or the experience is separable from what could be called " the ground of the awareness " which could also be called " no-thing. " Say I'm having an experience that is really twisted, and I'm an ego-maniac who thinks I know best what is right for everyone, gets highly emotional, hurts people, takes drugs, and belongs to a terrorist group - or whatever you think of as the most messed up kind of person with an ego-center. That experience is constituting through being-aware. Say someone else is having an experience of total understanding, is one with everything, is utterly relaxed and fully compassionate, never feels angry, or whatever you conceive of as the kind of person who doesn't have an involvement with a center. That experience is constituting through being aware. Being-aware isn't picking and choosing. The entirety of manifestation is undivided, because the ground is undivided. The entirety of manifestation is choiceless (because no separable entity is involved to choose things) and me-less, even though there may be appearances as if choices occur and me's are there. Sometimes I may say to someone, " it's important how you choose to deal with this. " Yet I know that if that choice " manifests " for them, that the manifestation of the choice is choiceless in that moment it is experienced. Being aware doesn't involve getting rid of a me. It involves seeing " below the me " so to speak, or seeing " through the me. " It doesn't depend on any theory, because it's so. It doesn't depend on any particular observer recognizing it, because *it is constituting all the observer/observed relationships.* It may appear that two persons are interacting, and they have different qualities, and they are affecting each other in different ways. But the entire interaction, from beginning to end, is manifesting from the same no-place, the groundless ground. Not as a theory or due to a theory, but due to the fact of how experience constitutes as experience. It's all equal. If one understands this, then however a person is manifesting, and whatever he is experiencing, this is *it* - this timeless nothing. In fact, if one doesn't understand this, then however you're manifesting is *it.* So, it doesn't depend on you or me to understand it. Doesn't depend on our theories. It is the understanding of having no understanding. - dego - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
