Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > Was the physical ever real? > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. death is the realizer? it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. realizing that it's not realizing. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:29 PM Physical Death Physical death may be the real awakening. Was the physical ever real? Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. geo> Can you be aware of the totality of the dream? Then there is no identification with the body...or consciusness. Then the death of the body..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. > > > death is the realizer? > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > .b b.b. " The usual " ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > Was the physical ever real? > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > real. death is the realizer? it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. realizing that it's not realizing. ..b b.b. Death is present now. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:29 PM > Physical Death > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > Was the physical ever real? > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. > > geo> Can you be aware of the totality of the dream? Then there is no > identification with the body...or consciusness. > Then the death of the body..... " Death of the body " is only from an outside observer's perspective. I.E. seeing other bodies die. Death of one's own body would not be like this. Perhaps more like a dissolution from one 'realm' into another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > real. > > death is the realizer? > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > .b b.b. > > Death is present now. > -geo- So is life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. > > > > > > death is the realizer? > > > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > > > .b b.b. > > " The usual " ;-). that's an unusual " thing " that it " does " then..or NOW. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > > real. > > > > death is the realizer? > > > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Death is present now. > > -geo- > > So is life. Life is death. Death is life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:44 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > real. > > > death is the realizer? > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > .b b.b. " The usual " ;-). geo> No. He is sober now. Read it again. Death is here now - not there tomorow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:48 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > real. > > death is the realizer? > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > .b b.b. > > Death is present now. > -geo- So is life. geo> i dont play gibberish. Life and death are here now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > Was the physical ever real? > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. Manifestation is neither real nor unreal. Manifestation brings thought which then makes judgments about real and unreal. Awareness is how physical life manifests, and it dies through awareness as well. What was created or destroyed, that wasn't through awareness each step of the way? -- D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:29 PM > > Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. > > > > geo> Can you be aware of the totality of the dream? Then there is no > > identification with the body...or consciusness. > > Then the death of the body..... > > " Death of the body " is only from an outside observer's perspective. I.E. seeing other bodies die. > > Death of one's own body would not be like this. > > Perhaps more like a dissolution from one 'realm' into another. you will never taste death. imagination will ten trillion times. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > real. > > death is the realizer? > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > .b b.b. > > Death is present now. > -geo- neither a borner nor a deather be. presence indicates the truth of absence. end of story. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > > real. > > > > death is the realizer? > > > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Death is present now. > > -geo- > > So is life. both are void. who lives or dies? what do either signify? must " it " be one or the other? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > > > real. > > > > > > death is the realizer? > > > > > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > > > > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > > > > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Death is present now. > > > -geo- > > > > So is life. > > Life is death. Death is life. life is a beach..and death is a bitch. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:29 PM > > Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. > > > > geo> Can you be aware of the totality of the dream? Then there is no > > identification with the body...or consciusness. > > Then the death of the body..... > > " Death of the body " is only from an outside observer's perspective. I.E. seeing other bodies die. > > Death of one's own body would not be like this. > > Perhaps more like a dissolution from one 'realm' into another. One's life is like a bubble. The bubble includes all the events and their timing. The bubble has no duration. Birth and death are two ways of describing the same sphere. The sphere seen from two different angles. Depending on an imaginary arrow of time (that only is perceivable " within " the bubble). One bubble implies infinite bubbles. Each bubble implies an imaginary center, which Nis. called " I am. " It is like a point of being-ness used as a center for a bubble. To lose the center isn't to lose anything real. It is to lose the misunderstanding that a point of being-ness could be separated and so could serve as the center of a personal life experience. One now is aware without a center. All the bubbles are included, none have any actual separate existence. There is no birth without death, and each death is a birth, just as you suggest. Only, there is no one moving from one bubble to another. Bubbles are timeless. The timing of their experiential events is only " true " within the bubble. This awareness is at once limitless, inclusive, and nonlocational - without any " substance " so to speak. -- D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > > > real. > > > > > > death is the realizer? > > > > > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > > > > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > > > > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Death is present now. > > > -geo- > > > > So is life. > > Life is death. Death is life. Life is inclusive of birth and death. -- D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:57 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > real. > > death is the realizer? > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > .b b.b. > > Death is present now. > -geo- neither a borner nor a deather be. presence indicates the truth of absence. end of story. ..b b.b. Yes. The absence that is present. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:57 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:29 PM > > > Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > > real. > > > > > > geo> Can you be aware of the totality of the dream? Then there is no > > > identification with the body...or consciusness. > > > Then the death of the body..... > > > > " Death of the body " is only from an outside observer's perspective. I.E. > > seeing other bodies die. > > > > Death of one's own body would not be like this. > > > > Perhaps more like a dissolution from one 'realm' into another. > > > you will never taste death. > > imagination will ten trillion times. > > .b b.b. That's why life is death, and death is imaginary. geo> Drop the imaginary one...and the real is here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. > > Manifestation is neither real nor unreal. if it's not real or unreal.. why bother? > > Manifestation brings thought which then makes judgments about real and unreal. but it's manifestation that is not real or unreal you said. how does it " bring thoughts " about what is real or unreal? what do those thoughts the real/unreal make say about manifestation? > Awareness is how physical life manifests, and it dies through awareness as well. Oh! so NOW manifestation is a " manner " of physical life appearance.. that is itself being made manifest by awareness. and death is but another presentation of this manifesting. who for? who's life..who's death. you're trying to suck and blow at the same time. sometimes you talk like a schoolgirl trying to impress. you're not are you? it doesn't impress anyway. you're trying to suck and blow at the same time. > What was created or destroyed, that wasn't through awareness each step of the way? > > -- D. nothing was " created " . ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:58 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:37 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > > real. > > > > death is the realizer? > > > > it realizes that it's not realizing and is not itself a realizer? > > > > what does it do the rest of the day when it's not.. > > > > realizing that it's not realizing. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Death is present now. > > -geo- > > So is life. both are void. who lives or dies? what do either signify? must " it " be one or the other? ..b b.b. Must not. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Tim G. > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:29 PM > > > > Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. > > > > > > > > geo> Can you be aware of the totality of the dream? Then there is no > > > > identification with the body...or consciusness. > > > > Then the death of the body..... > > > > > > " Death of the body " is only from an outside observer's perspective. I.E. seeing other bodies die. > > > > > > Death of one's own body would not be like this. > > > > > > Perhaps more like a dissolution from one 'realm' into another. > > > > > > you will never taste death. > > > > imagination will ten trillion times. > > > > .b b.b. > > That's why life is death, and death is imaginary. imaginary for who? find that. it never lives and never dies. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not real. > > > > Manifestation is neither real nor unreal. > > > > > > if it's not real or unreal.. > > why bother? Nisargadatta (paraphrased): " To be with a name and form is painful, but I love it " . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:54 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > real. > > Manifestation is neither real nor unreal. > > Manifestation brings thought which then makes judgments about real and > unreal. > > Awareness is how physical life manifests, and it dies through awareness as > well. > > What was created or destroyed, that wasn't through awareness each step of > the way? > > -- D. > > geo> Here you go dan....awarenes with different meanings side by side Yes, and what is the meaning of " meaning " ? I gotta know! (not) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:54 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Physical death may be the real awakening. > > > > Was the physical ever real? > > > > Therefore, physical death is the realization that the physical is not > > real. > > Manifestation is neither real nor unreal. > > Manifestation brings thought which then makes judgments about real and > unreal. > > Awareness is how physical life manifests, and it dies through awareness as > well. > > What was created or destroyed, that wasn't through awareness each step of > the way? > > -- D. > > geo> Here you go dan....awarenes with different meanings side by side that's all dan does. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
