Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:08 PM > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got bad news. > > > > > > > > " You " must drop dead. > > > > > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One doesn't drop dead, from one's own perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One dissolves into oneself, to put it a certain way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or -- I am absorbed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dissolves into what is, as in, never was separated - ever ... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I read the above I am not able to say for certain where you are coming > > > > > > from. > > > > > > I AM is consciousness. You know....it is soooo easy to project something > > > > > > inta THAT. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I'm not coming from somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > and you're not going anywhere. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Wouldn't have it any other way. > > > > > > Dd. > > > > > > so now you are on a " way " . > > > > and one that is better for you than any other. > > > > oh boy this is getting sick. > > > > rest oh danny boy. > > > > .b b.b. > > > That's all I do. > > Rest. > > You better believe it. > > Or not. > > Take a break, Bob - I recommend it. > > -- D. i believe you. which rest home are you resting in? i don't believe anything sport... so i'll go with the not. and as to the break (rest).. get your own material danny. how many times do they have to remind you in the home: to take your meds..rest.. and to not repeat what others say. and ummm dan.. i'm not interested in an invalids advise or recommendations. so rest assured i'll remain right here. you need me. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > souldreamone@ > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:40 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:40:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > > > > If I read the above I am not able to say for certain where you are coming > > > > > > > from. > > > > > > > I AM is consciousness. You know....it is soooo easy to project something > > > > > > > inta THAT. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not coming from somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Try not to get sucked into the words game. > > > > > > > > > > > > ****I'm confident Dan can recover......Well, pretty sure. hehe. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> In fact I could understand that literally. Then the words would be > > > > > > coming from THAT. I would say....it is....ahhh...i dont know. > > > > > > > > > > D: What prevents you from understanding each and every word appearing on the screen from anyone as arising from/of/as This now? > > > > > > > > > > As it " happens " ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > are you trying to label things? > > > > > > > > you can't see his understanding or lack thereof.. > > > > > > > > faux pas monsieur. > > > > > > > > besides.. > > > > > > > > words are meaningless you said. > > > > > > > > silence is the best you said. > > > > > > > > you call someone who is silent..wise. > > > > > > > > is your goldfish wise too? > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Oops, the dreaded double signature. > > > > > > Too much cogitating, old man. > > > > > > Get your hands off my goldfish. > > > > > > You're a dirty old man. > > > > > > You and your goldfish pictures. > > > > > > -- Dd. > > > > > > you seem somehow unable to get the gist. > > > > and you're trying to label me. > > > > you're two faced dan. > > > > and a double talker. > > > > in short..phony. > > > > .b b.b. > > > let it go, bobby. > > phoney? > > next you're going to try to get real. > > okay, get real. > > trash-talkin' potty-mouth know-nuthin'. > > -- Dd. there you go. good stuff. you're learning. i may soon charge for the lessons. now settle down and rest. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:56:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dan330033 writes: > > > Certainly, yes. That is what I do here. > > In a way it is the ongoing unfolding of the ME, its tricks... > > Now about that question who am I, depends what you mean. One way of > looking > > at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, or dan, or bill. > > -geo- > > > There aren't ways to the understanding. > > Ways involve time. > > You can't go back and forth to get it and bring it here. > > > D. > > > ***He said " way of looking at it " , not ways to the understanding. > He said " one way of looking at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, " etc. Understanding can't be looked at in different ways. Time is not involved. Verbal ways can be talked about that are different. But the way is not thought-formatted. As Geo remarked somewhere, it is not a matter of " since. " It isn't applying a thought-formatted way to look. Perception as it actually is. No word game. So, the actual perception, that is not geo's perception, dan's perception, is the " i am the world. " " i am the world " is an attempt to use words to reflect what perception is when word labels and position of the observer aren't applied. -- D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:56:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > Certainly, yes. That is what I do here. > > > In a way it is the ongoing unfolding of the ME, its tricks... > > > Now about that question who am I, depends what you mean. One way of > > looking > > > at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, or dan, or bill. > > > -geo- > > > > > > There aren't ways to the understanding. > > > > Ways involve time. > > > > You can't go back and forth to get it and bring it here. > > > > > > D. > > > > > > ***He said " way of looking at it " , not ways to the understanding. > > > > He said " one way of looking at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, " etc. > > Understanding can't be looked at in different ways. > > Time is not involved. > > Verbal ways can be talked about that are different. > > But the way is not thought-formatted. > > As Geo remarked somewhere, it is not a matter of " since. " > > It isn't applying a thought-formatted way to look. > > Perception as it actually is. > > No word game. > > So, the actual perception, that is not geo's perception, dan's perception, is the " i am the world. " > > " i am the world " is an attempt to use words to reflect what perception is when word labels and position of the observer aren't applied. > > -- D. > A pseudo-entity attempting to describe to another pseudo-entity.....(both of whose perceptual totalities are composed of word-labels).......what perception is like without word labels by using word labels is like..................... .......is like.............. gosh............I just can't think of anything quite like that. :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 > > ****Sorry, word games is all I see here. That, and a near total absence of > any attempt to understand what is actually being talked about. > > When two conceptual entities are discussing their relative height in an agreed upon measurement unit........they can.....within certain limits......come to an agreement. When, however, they discuss the nature of self or how that self can reach enlightenment..........agreement is never possible..... ......for one very good reason. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:55:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > ****Sorry, word games is all I see here. That, and a near total absence of > any attempt to understand what is actually being talked about.> > When two conceptual entities are discussing their relative height in an agreed upon measurement unit........they can.....within certain limits......come to an agreement.When, however, they discuss the nature of self or how that self can reach enlightenment..........agreement is never possible..........for one very good reason.toombaru ***Naturally, but I never require agreement on such matters, and of course communication is difficult, and for that reason I ask that folks actually read and attempt to understand what they're responding to. It's also helpful to talk plainly instead of trying to be the world's first nondual speaker. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:18:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dan330033 writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:56:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > Certainly, yes. That is what I do here. > > > In a way it is the ongoing unfolding of the ME, its tricks... > > > Now about that question who am I, depends what you mean. One way of > > looking > > > at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, or dan, or bill. > > > -geo- > > > > > > There aren't ways to the understanding. > > > > Ways involve time. > > > > You can't go back and forth to get it and bring it here. > > > > > > D. > > > > > > ***He said " way of looking at it " , not ways to the understanding. > > > > He said " one way of looking at it is the understanding of what I am not as > geo, " etc. > > Understanding can't be looked at in different ways. > > > ****He didn't say or imply that understanding could be looked at in > multiple ways. I don't even know what that would mean. He said 'there is one way > of looking at it, and here it is: The understanding of yackity yack...' > > > Time is not involved. > > ****Nobody said or implied time was involved, because " way " was not used > in the context of a 'path' or a 'process' or a 'method', but rather it > refers to a perspective; 'you can take this perspective or that perspective. You > can look at it this way or that way.' > > Verbal ways can be talked about that are different. > > But the way is not thought-formatted. > > ****Is this some kind of Taoist 'Way' you're talking about now? > > > As Geo remarked somewhere, it is not a matter of " since. " > > It isn't applying a thought-formatted way to look. > > Perception as it actually is. > > No word game. > > ****Sorry, word games is all I see here. That, and a near total absence of > any attempt to understand what is actually being talked about. > > > So, the actual perception, that is not geo's perception, dan's perception, > is the " i am the world. " > > " i am the world " is an attempt to use words to reflect what perception is > when word labels and position of the observer aren't applied. > > -- D. oh man! LOL! who's ball is it anyway???? d: it's MINE.. p: NO it's mine! d: oh yeah..well id didn't say you said.. p: well if that's the way you feel! d: your WRONG! p:I know MORE than you.. d: NO you DON'T! p: oh screw you i'm gonna.. d: quit playing word games.. p: I...I....I..I..I..I...don't LIKE word games! d: i love you phil. p: I know..I love you too Dan. d: why is it we fight? p: I know but it can't be explained. d: I don't like word games. p: oh yeah! well.. d: shut up..george said.. p: [any bullshit old saw about the " real " and how it's KNOWN] d.p.:GROWL..Hisssss...OOOOhhhhh! hahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaa! this is hilarious! keep it going boys. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:55:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > > > > ****Sorry, word games is all I see here. That, and a near total absence > of > > any attempt to understand what is actually being talked about. > > > > > > > When two conceptual entities are discussing their relative height in an > agreed upon measurement unit........they can.....within certain > limits......come to an agreement. > > When, however, they discuss the nature of self or how that self can reach > enlightenment..........agreement is never possible..... > > .....for one very good reason. > > > > > toombaru > > > > ***Naturally, but I never require agreement on such matters, and of course > communication is difficult, and for that reason I ask that folks actually > read and attempt to understand what they're responding to. It's also > helpful to talk plainly instead of trying to be the world's first nondual > speaker. what self serving bullshit! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:54 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:45 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > souldreamone@ > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:40 PM > > Re: Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:40:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > inandor@ writes: > > > If I read the above I am not able to say for certain where you are > > > coming > > > from. > > > I AM is consciousness. You know....it is soooo easy to project > > > something > > > inta THAT. > > > -geo- > > > > I'm not coming from somewhere. > > > > -- D. > > > > geo> Try not to get sucked into the words game. > > > > ****I'm confident Dan can recover......Well, pretty sure. hehe. > > > > geo> In fact I could understand that literally. Then the words would be > > coming from THAT. I would say....it is....ahhh...i dont know. > > D: What prevents you from understanding each and every word appearing on > the > screen from anyone as arising from/of/as This now? > > As it " happens " ???? > > geo>Whatever that is preventing is part of ME...geo. Always. You, your parts, and you. That makes three. Or none. .. D. geo> Yes. Dreaming or not dreaming. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 29/5/2009 07:26:21 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:55 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:37 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > souldreamone@ > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:15 PM > > Re: Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:19:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > Got bad news. > > > > > " You " must drop dead. > > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > One doesn't drop dead, from one's own perspective. > > > > > > > > One dissolves into oneself, to put it a certain way. > > > > > > > > Or -- I am absorbed. > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > Dissolves into what is, as in, never was separated - ever ... > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > If I read the above I am not able to say for certain where you are > > > coming > > > from. > > > I AM is consciousness. You know....it is soooo easy to project > > > something > > > inta THAT. > > > -geo- > > > > I'm not coming from somewhere. > > > > -- D. > > > > ****You weren't intending to convey anything? Then why did you post it? > > > > geo> It is the challenge in this list. I have never met so many people > > together who really have gone deep into this. But the kind of dialogues > > here > > are filled with lots stuff....word games....escape from fear of loosing > > wisdom....escape from having the certainty of non-self > > challenged...etc.... > > Its life. This is not a monastery...more like a gathering of bruxos. I > > mean that. Bruxos are the avarage people who drive you mad, angry, > > violent...etc.. > > That's your construction from a bunch of words you read on a computer > screen. > > Rather than attribute it to " them " and what they are doing on this list, > do > you use your construction as self-inquiry? > > Self-inquiry, as in: > > What am I looking for when I read messages? > > How is it I'm expecting someone to respond? > > What comes up for me when the response doesn't fit my expectations? > > What judgments come up for me? > > What is it I'm looking for, from others? > > What role to I put myself in? > > These are just some examples, through words, of self-inquiry, which is > primarily nonverbal, and is primarily the question " Who am I?. " > > It's self-inquiry that opens into truth. > > Not judgment of someone " else. " > > This truth has nothing whatsoever to do with someone else, and what > someone > else is doing. > > It is only about my own doing and understanding that. > > Hello. > > -- D. > > Certainly, yes. That is what I do here. > In a way it is the ongoing unfolding of the ME, its tricks... > Now about that question who am I, depends what you mean. One way of > looking > at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, or dan, or bill. > -geo- There aren't ways to the understanding. Ways involve time. You can't go back and forth to get it and bring it here. D. geo> It is part of the chanllenge, here, that discussions with other members that had generated huge amounts of adrenalin, imbecility and obvious sleep...dont flow into unrelated conversations. Of course there are way of understanding an expression...there are several ways to understand waist or free or like or god etc....And what words would you use in place of " understand " ? avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 29/5/2009 07:26:21 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Friday, May 29, 2009 12:55 AM Re: Physical Death > > ****Sorry, word games is all I see here. That, and a near total absence of > any attempt to understand what is actually being talked about. > > When two conceptual entities are discussing their relative height in an agreed upon measurement unit........they can.....within certain limits......come to an agreement. When, however, they discuss the nature of self or how that self can reach enlightenment..........agreement is never possible..... ......for one very good reason. toombaru geo> In a way true...but there is some sense in pointing out the false. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 29/5/2009 07:26:27 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, May 29, 2009 12:17 AM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:56:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dan330033 writes: > > > Certainly, yes. That is what I do here. > > In a way it is the ongoing unfolding of the ME, its tricks... > > Now about that question who am I, depends what you mean. One way of > looking > > at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, or dan, or bill. > > -geo- > > > There aren't ways to the understanding. > > Ways involve time. > > You can't go back and forth to get it and bring it here. > > > D. > > > ***He said " way of looking at it " , not ways to the understanding. > He said " one way of looking at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, " etc. Understanding can't be looked at in different ways. Time is not involved. Verbal ways can be talked about that are different. But the way is not thought-formatted. As Geo remarked somewhere, it is not a matter of " since. " It isn't applying a thought-formatted way to look. Perception as it actually is. No word game. So, the actual perception, that is not geo's perception, dan's perception, is the " i am the world. " " i am the world " is an attempt to use words to reflect what perception is when word labels and position of the observer aren't applied. -- D. Am I the empty patterning as the world... or only the ground beyond is? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 29/5/2009 07:26:25 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 In a message dated 5/29/2009 7:34:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > ***Naturally, but I never require agreement on such matters, and of course > communication is difficult, and for that reason I ask that folks actually > read and attempt to understand what they're responding to. It's also > helpful to talk plainly instead of trying to be the world's first nondual > speaker. > > > Helpful?Do you think that this talk is going somewhere?Do you think that there exists something that can improve itself? ****All interactions are potentially helpful, if we're willing to pay attention. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 In a message dated 5/29/2009 8:18:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dan330033 writes: > > ****Sorry, word games is all I see here. That, and a near total absence of > any attempt to understand what is actually being talked about.You say you see only word games, yet I see you insisting on co-operation with your own word games.You seem insistent that I should explain things to you. If you don't have it explained on your terms you accuse me of using word games. It is silly. Self-inquiry. Look at what you are asking for, and why you are asking it. Look at what happens if you don't get what you say you want. -- .d. ****I don't usually call it self inquiry, but I'm always paying attention and looking. I don't see myself playing word games or insisting you explain anything to me. I've been trying to talk plainly and hear what others are really trying to say. What i see are mostly word games, getting progressively more subtle and paradoxical and meaningless. This happens often on these lists and it's foolish to point to me as having this unique perception. The guy who stopped by to ask the questions was very refreshing because he was talking plainly. Did you notice the contrast? I guess he wandered off confused by our word games. Something else I notice is that some folks aren't making a serious attempt to understand what they're responding to. Obviously, this results in further degradation of the conversation. When I disagree with you or don't understand and ask for clarification, this is not insisting on an explanation, it's just a conversation. Perhaps the one regularly advising (yes, advising) self inquiry is really the one in need of it? Noticing such things is marginally useful to me, though it was much more useful when I was actively exploring ego dynamics, but my interest in that is waning now, hencely my lessened interest in forums such as this, which are pretty much all ego all the time. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 In a message dated 5/29/2009 11:03:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, inandor writes: Helpful?Do you think that this talk is going somewhere?Do you think that there exists something that can improve itself? -unknown- I have had several insights reading posts. Imersions into the atemporal freedom. So....? -geo- ****Great! Beyond all the nonsense, that's how it's sposed to work. I'm glad to have met at least one who gets that. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:55:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > > > > ****Sorry, word games is all I see here. That, and a near total absence > of > > any attempt to understand what is actually being talked about. > > > > > > > When two conceptual entities are discussing their relative height in an > agreed upon measurement unit........they can.....within certain > limits......come to an agreement. > > When, however, they discuss the nature of self or how that self can reach > enlightenment..........agreement is never possible..... > > .....for one very good reason. > > > > > toombaru > > > > ***Naturally, but I never require agreement on such matters, and of course > communication is difficult, and for that reason I ask that folks actually > read and attempt to understand what they're responding to. It's also > helpful to talk plainly instead of trying to be the world's first nondual > speaker. > > > Helpful? Do you think that this talk is going somewhere? Do you think that there exists something that can improve itself? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 29, 2009 12:55 AM > Re: Physical Death > > > ****Sorry, word games is all I see here. That, and a near total absence of > > any attempt to understand what is actually being talked about. > > > > > > When two conceptual entities are discussing their relative height in an > agreed upon measurement unit........they can.....within certain > limits......come to an agreement. > > When, however, they discuss the nature of self or how that self can reach > enlightenment..........agreement is never possible..... > > .....for one very good reason. > > toombaru > > geo> In a way true...but there is some sense in pointing out the false. > > > > > > To whom geo? Answer that.....and all ideas about " false " evaporate. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:56:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > > > Certainly, yes. That is what I do here. > > > > In a way it is the ongoing unfolding of the ME, its tricks... > > > > Now about that question who am I, depends what you mean. One way of > > > looking > > > > at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, or dan, or bill. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > There aren't ways to the understanding. > > > > > > Ways involve time. > > > > > > You can't go back and forth to get it and bring it here. > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > ***He said " way of looking at it " , not ways to the understanding. > > > > > > > He said " one way of looking at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, " etc. > > > > Understanding can't be looked at in different ways. > > > > Time is not involved. > > > > Verbal ways can be talked about that are different. > > > > But the way is not thought-formatted. > > > > As Geo remarked somewhere, it is not a matter of " since. " > > > > It isn't applying a thought-formatted way to look. > > > > Perception as it actually is. > > > > No word game. > > > > So, the actual perception, that is not geo's perception, dan's perception, is the " i am the world. " > > > > " i am the world " is an attempt to use words to reflect what perception is when word labels and position of the observer aren't applied. > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > A pseudo-entity attempting to describe to another pseudo-entity.....(both of whose perceptual totalities are composed of word-labels).......what perception is like without word labels by using word labels is like..................... > ......is like.............. > > > gosh............I just can't think of anything quite like that. > > > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru yes, mind games end. ..d. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 8:18:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dan330033 writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:56:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > Certainly, yes. That is what I do here. > > > In a way it is the ongoing unfolding of the ME, its tricks... > > > Now about that question who am I, depends what you mean. One way of > > looking > > > at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, or dan, or bill. > > > -geo- > > > > > > There aren't ways to the understanding. > > > > Ways involve time. > > > > You can't go back and forth to get it and bring it here. > > > > > > D. > > > > > > ***He said " way of looking at it " , not ways to the understanding. > > > > He said " one way of looking at it is the understanding of what I am not as > geo, " etc. > > Understanding can't be looked at in different ways. > > > ****He didn't say or imply that understanding could be looked at in > multiple ways. I don't even know what that would mean. He said 'there is one way > of looking at it, and here it is: The understanding of yackity yack...' > > > Time is not involved. > > ****Nobody said or implied time was involved, because " way " was not used > in the context of a 'path' or a 'process' or a 'method', but rather it > refers to a perspective; 'you can take this perspective or that perspective. You > can look at it this way or that way.' > > Verbal ways can be talked about that are different. > > But the way is not thought-formatted. > > ****Is this some kind of Taoist 'Way' you're talking about now? > > > As Geo remarked somewhere, it is not a matter of " since. " > > It isn't applying a thought-formatted way to look. > > Perception as it actually is. > > No word game. > > ****Sorry, word games is all I see here. That, and a near total absence of > any attempt to understand what is actually being talked about. You say you see only word games, yet I see you insisting on co-operation with your own word games. You seem insistent that I should explain things to you. If you don't have it explained on your terms you accuse me of using word games. It is silly. Self-inquiry. Look at what you are asking for, and why you are asking it. Look at what happens if you don't get what you say you want. -- .d. > So, the actual perception, that is not geo's perception, dan's perception, > is the " i am the world. " > > " i am the world " is an attempt to use words to reflect what perception is > when word labels and position of the observer aren't applied. > > -- D. > > > > **************We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ > diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. > (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Fo\ und-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml > cntnew00000007) > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:54 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:45 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > souldreamone@ > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:40 PM > > > Re: Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:40:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > inandor@ writes: > > > > If I read the above I am not able to say for certain where you are > > > > coming > > > > from. > > > > I AM is consciousness. You know....it is soooo easy to project > > > > something > > > > inta THAT. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > I'm not coming from somewhere. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > geo> Try not to get sucked into the words game. > > > > > > ****I'm confident Dan can recover......Well, pretty sure. hehe. > > > > > > geo> In fact I could understand that literally. Then the words would be > > > coming from THAT. I would say....it is....ahhh...i dont know. > > > > D: What prevents you from understanding each and every word appearing on > > the > > screen from anyone as arising from/of/as This now? > > > > As it " happens " ???? > > > > geo>Whatever that is preventing is part of ME...geo. Always. > > You, your parts, and you. > > That makes three. > > Or none. > > . > > D. > > geo> Yes. Dreaming or not dreaming. the eagle flies. no tracks. ..d. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:55 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:37 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > souldreamone@ > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:15 PM > > > Re: Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:19:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > > Got bad news. > > > > > > " You " must drop dead. > > > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > One doesn't drop dead, from one's own perspective. > > > > > > > > > > One dissolves into oneself, to put it a certain way. > > > > > > > > > > Or -- I am absorbed. > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > Dissolves into what is, as in, never was separated - ever ... > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > If I read the above I am not able to say for certain where you are > > > > coming > > > > from. > > > > I AM is consciousness. You know....it is soooo easy to project > > > > something > > > > inta THAT. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > I'm not coming from somewhere. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > ****You weren't intending to convey anything? Then why did you post it? > > > > > > geo> It is the challenge in this list. I have never met so many people > > > together who really have gone deep into this. But the kind of dialogues > > > here > > > are filled with lots stuff....word games....escape from fear of loosing > > > wisdom....escape from having the certainty of non-self > > > challenged...etc.... > > > Its life. This is not a monastery...more like a gathering of bruxos. I > > > mean that. Bruxos are the avarage people who drive you mad, angry, > > > violent...etc.. > > > > That's your construction from a bunch of words you read on a computer > > screen. > > > > Rather than attribute it to " them " and what they are doing on this list, > > do > > you use your construction as self-inquiry? > > > > Self-inquiry, as in: > > > > What am I looking for when I read messages? > > > > How is it I'm expecting someone to respond? > > > > What comes up for me when the response doesn't fit my expectations? > > > > What judgments come up for me? > > > > What is it I'm looking for, from others? > > > > What role to I put myself in? > > > > These are just some examples, through words, of self-inquiry, which is > > primarily nonverbal, and is primarily the question " Who am I?. " > > > > It's self-inquiry that opens into truth. > > > > Not judgment of someone " else. " > > > > This truth has nothing whatsoever to do with someone else, and what > > someone > > else is doing. > > > > It is only about my own doing and understanding that. > > > > Hello. > > > > -- D. > > > > Certainly, yes. That is what I do here. > > In a way it is the ongoing unfolding of the ME, its tricks... > > Now about that question who am I, depends what you mean. One way of > > looking > > at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, or dan, or bill. > > -geo- > > There aren't ways to the understanding. > > Ways involve time. > > You can't go back and forth to get it and bring it here. > > D. > > geo> It is part of the chanllenge, here, that discussions with other members > that had generated huge amounts of adrenalin, imbecility and obvious > sleep...dont flow into unrelated conversations. Of course there are way of > understanding an expression...there are several ways to understand waist or > free or like or god etc....And what words would you use in place of > " understand " ? a person looks at a bird flying. person reaches to the sky. can't touch the bird. suddenly ... flying is. no words. just sound of flying. sound of no-sound. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:55 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:37 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > souldreamone@ > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:15 PM > > > > Re: Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 12:19:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > > > Got bad news. > > > > > > > " You " must drop dead. > > > > > > > =geo= > > > > > > > > > > > > One doesn't drop dead, from one's own perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > One dissolves into oneself, to put it a certain way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or -- I am absorbed. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > Dissolves into what is, as in, never was separated - ever ... > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > If I read the above I am not able to say for certain where you are > > > > > coming > > > > > from. > > > > > I AM is consciousness. You know....it is soooo easy to project > > > > > something > > > > > inta THAT. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I'm not coming from somewhere. > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > ****You weren't intending to convey anything? Then why did you post it? > > > > > > > > geo> It is the challenge in this list. I have never met so many people > > > > together who really have gone deep into this. But the kind of dialogues > > > > here > > > > are filled with lots stuff....word games....escape from fear of loosing > > > > wisdom....escape from having the certainty of non-self > > > > challenged...etc.... > > > > Its life. This is not a monastery...more like a gathering of bruxos. I > > > > mean that. Bruxos are the avarage people who drive you mad, angry, > > > > violent...etc.. > > > > > > That's your construction from a bunch of words you read on a computer > > > screen. > > > > > > Rather than attribute it to " them " and what they are doing on this list, > > > do > > > you use your construction as self-inquiry? > > > > > > Self-inquiry, as in: > > > > > > What am I looking for when I read messages? > > > > > > How is it I'm expecting someone to respond? > > > > > > What comes up for me when the response doesn't fit my expectations? > > > > > > What judgments come up for me? > > > > > > What is it I'm looking for, from others? > > > > > > What role to I put myself in? > > > > > > These are just some examples, through words, of self-inquiry, which is > > > primarily nonverbal, and is primarily the question " Who am I?. " > > > > > > It's self-inquiry that opens into truth. > > > > > > Not judgment of someone " else. " > > > > > > This truth has nothing whatsoever to do with someone else, and what > > > someone > > > else is doing. > > > > > > It is only about my own doing and understanding that. > > > > > > Hello. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > Certainly, yes. That is what I do here. > > > In a way it is the ongoing unfolding of the ME, its tricks... > > > Now about that question who am I, depends what you mean. One way of > > > looking > > > at it is the understanding of what I am not as geo, or dan, or bill. > > > -geo- > > > > There aren't ways to the understanding. > > > > Ways involve time. > > > > You can't go back and forth to get it and bring it here. > > > > D. > > > > geo> It is part of the chanllenge, here, that discussions with other members > > that had generated huge amounts of adrenalin, imbecility and obvious > > sleep...dont flow into unrelated conversations. Of course there are way of > > understanding an expression...there are several ways to understand waist or > > free or like or god etc....And what words would you use in place of > > " understand " ? > > a person looks at a bird flying. > > person reaches to the sky. > > can't touch the bird. > > suddenly ... > > flying is. > > no words. > > just sound of flying. > > sound of no-sound. post of no sense but nonsense. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Am I the empty patterning as the world... or only the ground beyond is? > -geo- > yes. only this ... no-word. .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Am I the empty patterning as the world... or only the ground beyond is? > > -geo- > > > > yes. > > only this ... > > no-word. > > . > Hi coo. :-) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Am I the empty patterning as the world... or only the ground beyond is? > > -geo- > > > > yes. > > only this ... > > no-word. > > . both " only " and " this " are not no-words. .. .. .. ..blink .. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
