Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll have to let us know how that turns out for ya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****I can tell you now, it has worked wonderfully for me. At some > > > > > point, > > > > > > you might begin to realize that you are that which is aware, and > > > > > > so > > > > > > all > > > > > that > > > > > > can be 'done' is to pay attention and realize what has yet to be > > > > > noticed. > > > > > > The distraction of the neti-neti monster game will have to end, > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you can be distracted from it, it's not it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****By " it " you mean Truth? I'm talking about noticing illusion. > > > > > > > > if an illusion can be noticed, you've stepped out of it. > > > > > > > > so, it's not it. > > > > > > > > and it is it, you see. > > > > > > > > how are you going to step out of it, to notice illusion? > > > > > > > > what is your plan? > > > > > > > > how will you manage to be distracted from it? > > > > > > > > geo> Is not this totality of patterning clearly seen? If only a apart > > > > is > > > > seen then illusion is. > > > > > > how can it ever be something else, other than totality? > > > > > > where is someplace outside of totality, for an illusion to take place? > > > > > > -- d. -- > > > > > > Within the bounded and limited space of the mind. > > > -geo- > > > > so, you've discovered a place existing outside of totality? > > > > i guess we can write to Webster's dictionary that we now have a new > > definition for totality: Everything except geo's personal mental space ... > > > > -- d. -- > > > > The fact remains: within the bounded and limited space of the mind > > separation is born. Nowhere else. > > -geo- > > Actual separation never was born anywhere. > > So there is no space apart from totality. > > The fiction of separation is just that: fiction. > > geo> So there is the fiction of separation. Where is the home of this > fiction? > == > > Understand this, and there's no actual separation anywhere. > > Totality alone. > > The actuality. > > No idea about totality involved. > > Nothing to get rid of, no private mental space to end. > > - D - > > The fiction of separation is similar to aquisitiveness. > That is why those who have will be given more, those who dont will be taken > away. > Why? > Because to have is to not have, and to not have is to have. > -geo- A fiction of separation is similar to a fiction that is acquisitive? Could be. Are they *really* similar? -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > anyone > > > else ;-) > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > :>/ > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure no > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > - d - > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, familly, > work....are always able to be alone? > -geo- No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. You can't have one without the other. See how this works? See how alone it is? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > anyone > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > :>/ > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure no > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > - d - > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, familly, > > work....are always able to be alone? > > -geo- > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no longer where one resides. > > > > > toombaru the center was never there for one second. the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > anyone > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > :>/ > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > no > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > - d - > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > familly, > > work....are always able to be alone? > > -geo- > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no longer > where one resides. > > toombaru > > I also know the words of that song by heart. But is it actual when facing > people, always? > -geo- look into what is going on when a person faces another person. how is the self separated from the other? check it out. if you do, what is actual will shock you. what is actual isn't a part-time situation. it's not an insight had a person that comes and goes. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > than > > > > > anyone > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > am. > > > > > :>/ > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > sure > > > no > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > familly, > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > longer > > where one resides. > > > > toombaru > > > > I also know the words of that song by heart. But is it actual when facing > > people, always? > > -geo- > > > > Yup. > > Sometimes one gets caught in the current......but it is just experienced as > current. > > toombaru > > I know that you will never admit that eventualy you fall asleep with people > around. Nonetheless what you write is difficult to grasp. To me either the > center emerges and there is fragmentation or there is no center at all and > no fragmentation. So I dont understand " sometimes one gets caught in the > current " . The corent is always there...it is life..it is the human > world....so - again - either cought or not. Either centered or not. > -geo- > > toombaru > Sometimes if a pretty girl comes into focus I get light headed. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > ...3> No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > You can't have one without the other. > > See how this works? > > See how alone it is? > > - D - Nisargadatta: " I am alone, but I am all " . Not so bad ;-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > how is the self separated from the other? > > check it out. > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. There is no 'you' ;-). That's the title of the 'self-image'. No such entity ever existed, anywhere. Thus, no 'you' will be shocked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > than > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > am. > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > sure > > > > no > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > familly, > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > longer > > > where one resides. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I also know the words of that song by heart. But is it actual when facing > > > people, always? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Yup. > > > > Sometimes one gets caught in the current......but it is just experienced as > > current. > > > > toombaru > > > > I know that you will never admit that eventualy you fall asleep with people > > around. Nonetheless what you write is difficult to grasp. To me either the > > center emerges and there is fragmentation or there is no center at all and > > no fragmentation. So I dont understand " sometimes one gets caught in the > > current " . The corent is always there...it is life..it is the human > > world....so - again - either cought or not. Either centered or not. > > -geo- > > > > toombaru > > > > > Sometimes if a pretty girl comes into focus I get light headed. > Yes, because now the blood from your head gets pumped to your dick. Werner > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > > am. > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > > sure > > > > > no > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > familly, > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > > longer > > > > where one resides. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I also know the words of that song by heart. But is it actual when facing > > > > people, always? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Yup. > > > > > > Sometimes one gets caught in the current......but it is just experienced as > > > current. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I know that you will never admit that eventualy you fall asleep with people > > > around. Nonetheless what you write is difficult to grasp. To me either the > > > center emerges and there is fragmentation or there is no center at all and > > > no fragmentation. So I dont understand " sometimes one gets caught in the > > > current " . The corent is always there...it is life..it is the human > > > world....so - again - either cought or not. Either centered or not. > > > -geo- > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Sometimes if a pretty girl comes into focus I get light headed. > > > > > Yes, because now the blood from your head gets pumped to your dick. > > > > Werner as an honest to god dickhead werner.. you'd know about that blood in a head-dick wouldn't you? thanks dr. science! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > anyone > > > else ;-) > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > :>/ > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > no > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > - d - > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > familly, > work....are always able to be alone? > -geo- No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. You can't have one without the other. See how this works? See how alone it is? - D - So...are " you " completely alone always, in all situations? Never experience conflict one time or another? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Monday, June 01, 2009 9:17 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > than > > > > anyone > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > am. > > > > :>/ > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > sure > > no > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > - d - > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > familly, > > work....are always able to be alone? > > -geo- > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > longer > where one resides. > > toombaru > > I also know the words of that song by heart. But is it actual when facing > people, always? > -geo- look into what is going on when a person faces another person. how is the self separated from the other? check it out. if you do, what is actual will shock you. what is actual isn't a part-time situation. it's not an insight had a person that comes and goes. - D - Do you actualy do this? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 what it is. there is nothing mystical. " experience' and " centering " keep dancing. it's great! no one's home. the baby sitter left. the most obvious of obvious. -bbb- What is meant by centering? When centered is not the ME there? Is that not what centering means? Otherwise what is centered? -geo- there is no mystery.. except the mystery of why it should seem mysterious. -bbb- Now, this is interesting...though i can not pinpoint why... Please try to put this in othere words. -geo- the mundane remains mundane. routine and friends and petty pace yet shimmer. birth death life are not other one to the other. but.. when in Rome... a Roman be. lo the staging floor. no choice for the choice-less. no hope for the hopeless. no love for the poisonous. riding White Lightning off the bluff. ..b b.b. This is a non-centered perspective. The organism acts as if it where a personality - but it is not, and is aware that it is not. Otherewise it would not be able to give to the romans what is theirs. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > than > > > > anyone > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > am. > > > > :>/ > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > sure no > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > - d - > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > familly, > > work....are always able to be alone? > > -geo- > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > longer where one resides. > > > > > toombaru the center was never there for one second. the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. - D - Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, familly, work....always able to be alone? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Monday, June 01, 2009 9:13 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > anyone > > > else ;-) > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > :>/ > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > no > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > - d - > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > familly, > work....are always able to be alone? > -geo- No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. You can't have one without the other. See how this works? See how alone it is? - D - Is this actual for you in any and all situations of life? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > anyone > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > :>/ > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > no > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > - d - > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > familly, > > work....are always able to be alone? > > -geo- > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > You can't have one without the other. > > See how this works? > > See how alone it is? > > - D - > > So...are " you " completely alone always, in all situations? > Never experience conflict one time or another? > -geo- well he tells a lot of conflicting stories. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > what it is. > > there is nothing mystical. > > " experience' and " centering " keep dancing. > > it's great! > > no one's home. > > the baby sitter left. > > the most obvious of obvious. > -bbb- > > What is meant by centering? When centered is not the ME there? Is that not > what centering means? > Otherwise what is centered? > -geo- > > > there is no mystery.. > > except the mystery of why it should seem mysterious. > -bbb- > > Now, this is interesting...though i can not pinpoint why... Please try to > put this in othere words. > -geo- > > the mundane remains mundane. > > routine and friends and petty pace yet shimmer. > > birth death life are not other one to the other. > > but.. > > when in Rome... > > a Roman be. > > lo the staging floor. > > no choice for the choice-less. > > no hope for the hopeless. > > no love for the poisonous. > > riding White Lightning off the bluff. > > .b b.b. > > This is a non-centered perspective. The organism acts as if it where a > personality - but it is not, and is aware that it is not. Otherewise it > would not be able to give to the romans what is theirs. > -geo- correct! but in truth.. no giving nor taking. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > than > > > > > anyone > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > am. > > > > > :>/ > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > sure no > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > familly, > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > longer where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > the center was never there for one second. > > the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. > > - D - > > Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > familly, > work....always able to be alone? > -geo- what is it BUT a " center " ? the rupturing IS centering for christ's sake. don't listen to that self serving crap. no one who says they're alone is alone. there is a " self " lurking if nothing else. some just want to sound profound..holy.. " aware " . LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > what it is. > > > > there is nothing mystical. > > > > " experience' and " centering " keep dancing. > > > > it's great! > > > > no one's home. > > > > the baby sitter left. > > > > the most obvious of obvious. > > -bbb- > > > > What is meant by centering? When centered is not the ME there? Is that not > > what centering means? > > Otherwise what is centered? > > -geo- > > > > > > there is no mystery.. > > > > except the mystery of why it should seem mysterious. > > -bbb- > > > > Now, this is interesting...though i can not pinpoint why... Please try to > > put this in othere words. > > -geo- that which is...is never strange to " itself " . this is the natural state without phasing or waving. any conditional aspect is seen through. it now appears that the old " rooting " of " personality " is void. it's " there " but insignificant. what always and forever is no longer mistaken. it's fun. it's unbelievable. it's truth. a truth no " self " can ever " see " . ..b b.b. > > the mundane remains mundane. > > > > routine and friends and petty pace yet shimmer. > > > > birth death life are not other one to the other. > > > > but.. > > > > when in Rome... > > > > a Roman be. > > > > lo the staging floor. > > > > no choice for the choice-less. > > > > no hope for the hopeless. > > > > no love for the poisonous. > > > > riding White Lightning off the bluff. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > This is a non-centered perspective. The organism acts as if it where a > > personality - but it is not, and is aware that it is not. Otherewise it > > would not be able to give to the romans what is theirs. > > -geo- > > > correct! > > but in truth.. > > no giving nor taking. > > .b b.b. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > check it out. > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > There is no 'you' ;-). That's the title of the 'self-image'. No such entity ever existed, anywhere. Thus, no 'you' will be shocked. So, you keep repeating that there is no you, and you keep saying this to no one. Whatever works for you. Understanding is a shock. It doesn't fit the expected mode of perception based on memory. Which is what the " you " the " me " is. Avoidance of the shock of what is, is what keeps the repetition of thought going, the recurrent return to the reservoir of memories. Including the repetition on this list that there is no you. Just a repetition of a thought. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > anyone > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > :>/ > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > no > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > - d - > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > familly, > > work....are always able to be alone? > > -geo- > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > You can't have one without the other. > > See how this works? > > See how alone it is? > > - D - > > So...are " you " completely alone always, in all situations? > Never experience conflict one time or another? > -geo- There is one alone. This one is alone in all situations, unrecognized. This one has never experienced conflict. Human beings don't experience conflict, they are a conflict. Yet, the human being doesn't interfere at all with this one. The conflict that is the human being is resolved. It is not resolved for or by a human being. -- D -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:17 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > than > > > > > anyone > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > am. > > > > > :>/ > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > sure > > > no > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > familly, > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > longer > > where one resides. > > > > toombaru > > > > I also know the words of that song by heart. But is it actual when facing > > people, always? > > -geo- > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > how is the self separated from the other? > > check it out. > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > what is actual isn't a part-time situation. > > it's not an insight had a person that comes and goes. > > - D - > > Do you actualy do this? > -geo- It is not a doing. It is not a possession of a human being. Thought wants to define this truth as if it could be a human doing. Thought wants to make it a property of a particular human brain/body/mind. Thought wants to make it graspable for the thought system, perceivable to it in a recognizable form. This is why this truth is such a shock to the thought-memory-orientation-perceptual system. Because that system is not there to understand it. And yet, understanding is. And that system cannot possess it. And yet, here it is. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > than > > > > > anyone > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > am. > > > > > :>/ > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > sure no > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > familly, > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > longer where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > the center was never there for one second. > > the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. > > - D - > > Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > familly, > work....always able to be alone? > -geo- Geo - It is not a belief. It is not the personality. It is not how you appear to others. Look! Alone is not an ability. It is what the orientation toward belief, personality, and appearance to others is avoiding. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:13 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > anyone > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > :>/ > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > no > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > - d - > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > familly, > > work....are always able to be alone? > > -geo- > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > You can't have one without the other. > > See how this works? > > See how alone it is? > > - D - > > Is this actual for you in any and all situations of life? > -geo- Yes. This aloneness has never been disturbed by the birth of a human being, any other creature, any situation. It is actual for you in any and all situations of life. It isn't picking and choosing certain you's to be actual for. It is totality, actuality itself. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > > anyone > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > > :>/ > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > > no > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > familly, > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > -geo- > > > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > > > You can't have one without the other. > > > > See how this works? > > > > See how alone it is? > > > > - D - > > > > So...are " you " completely alone always, in all situations? > > Never experience conflict one time or another? > > -geo- > > > > > > well he tells a lot of conflicting stories. > > :-) > > .b b.b. as if. d. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > than > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > am. > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > sure no > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > familly, > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > longer where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > the center was never there for one second. > > > > the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. > > > > - D - > > > > Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > familly, > > work....always able to be alone? > > -geo- > > > what is it BUT a " center " ? > > the rupturing IS centering for christ's sake. > > don't listen to that self serving crap. > > no one who says they're alone is alone. > > there is a " self " lurking if nothing else. > > some just want to sound profound..holy.. " aware " . > > LOL! > > .b b.b. You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have selves lurking. Nonsense. It has nothing to do with being spiritual. There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. Except b. b. king. Laughter -- - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
