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Woah suchandra, that's very interesting. And also in regard to what you're saying about greenpeace. I never even thought about how illusioned i was in respect of these environmental agencies. I had the exact view you had mentioned. I was thinking there're environmental activists reporting and working at solutions... I always see the greenpeace folk on the street asking for donations and I've come in contact with many, but when I try to recall some of things they've done I can only think of one thing. And I can't even describe that situation very well because it was so long ago.

Thanks for all your comments everyone. You're all discussing real significant issues. I'm just looking on the net to find recent articles that discuss these issues so I can back up what i'm talking about in my essay. There are lot of great articles in this forum, unfortunately they're too old. I'll keep looking though. Actually i think its best i take a bhagavatam break. My second canto is just staring me in the face.

this would actually make a good separate topic for discussion. Act utilitarianism is a utilitarian theory of ethics which states that the morally right action is the one which produces the greatest amount of happiness for the greatest number of people. Act utilitarianism is opposed to rule utilitarianism, which states that the morally right action is the one that is in accordance with a moral rule whose general observance would create the most happiness. Act utilitarianism makes no appeals to general rules, but instead demands that the agent evaluate individual circumstances. Utilitarianism <dl><dd> Main article: Utilitarianism </dd></dl> Utilitarianism is a consequentialist theory, which means that it stipulates that the morality of an action is determined by its outcome. (This is opposed to deontology, which argues that moral actions should flow from duties or motives.) This consequentialism is then combined with philosophical hedonism, which posits happiness or pleasure as the ultimate worthwhile pursuit. Therefore, since only the consequences of an action matter, and only happiness matters, then the morally correct action in any situation is the one that results in the greatest sum of happiness or pleasure. source: Wikipedia

Hey thanks guys for all of your kind responses. I have to get ready for a class now but I'll read over all your comments more thoroughly when I return. I'll just mention now though; I'll be writing this essay from the point of view of two moral theories namely "Act Utilitarianism" and "Virtue Ethics". I'm unable to raise moral questions in the issue and combat them from the view of any other philosophy such as Bhagavad-Gita etc. That is the difficulty. The two ethic theories I have to use are quite ridiculous. But it can be done. Thanks all for your help I greatly appreciate it. It appears as if there's a lot of information on the internet relating to the meat industry and the problems it causes, however nothing seems to be new. The difficulty is in tracking down articles no older than January 1st 2008. Anyhow thanks all, I look forward to reading your comments properly when I return. Haribol

Hello everyone, Hare Krishna. I was wondering if some of you may be able to help me track down a relevant/recent issue (no older than 6 months) that relates to the meat industry and it's impact on the environment (e.g. pollution, waste products, environmental problems etc). The reason I ask is so that I may utilize the themes of the issue to write a comprehensive ethical analysis in essay form for my university assignment. I spent some time browsing these forums as well as searching them but was unable to find anything recent. Has anyone seen or heard of some environmental issues recently that can be linked to the meat industry? Thank you all very much. Haribol

HAHAHAHA LAWL. Good Joke, But Krishna is not a man!

That story sounds excellent. Could you please tell me which one of those pages to click please? thanks

I'll try to give a translation. I'm not the best in reading the language. Translation: There is one man and his wedding has finished. The joke is over.

hahaha. This is brilliant.

Christianity is not an authentic path - Dark Warrior. Dark, how can we be so sure that Christianity is not an authentic path? Many christians rebut, and say that my dear Lord Krishna is not real, and thus his prescribed path for liberation is not authentic. Being a limited person with limited intelligence I can't draw absolute conclusions as to which path is 'correct'. Sure, I render service to Lord Krsna because I have affection for him, and most importantly faith in his words - but still, I could be taking a gamble in the sense that my path may not be authentic and in fact the christians path is authentic. And thus, if the christians path is authentic then devotees of Krishna go to hell? I'm just curious of your answer. I really don't care what others say about Krsna as far as validity is concerned. It doesn't change how I feel in respect of him.

I hope everything works out for your niece. A friend of mine lost her eyesight when she was 19. She went partially blind, eventually however - she regained her vision.

Thank you very much, these are all wonderful pictures.

these are some lovely pictures. Do you know a nice website that's devoted to Krishna art?

Haha oh my goodness. That's some quality nonsense.

I thought he was talking about how it's not possible to love but you have to love your elf. But if the self doesn't exist how do you love yourself? I don't know. But yeah you're right, he seems like a total mayavadi.

I could honestly not understand what he was talking about. I did not catch his point. What was it? Also, he's not God. I wasn't attracted to him.

Well said Theist. Such great words.

Thanks for posting this Theist, its a very interesting article. I'm going to read this properly in the evening. I don't even recall seeing this in the Gita introduction.

Oh no I wouldn't be frightened. I'd be disapointed/saddened. If I had to marry a meat eating girl I'd hold the notion in my head that she may stop the habit and pray that she stopped. How about yourself? Are you married to a woman who matches your ideals, or should you decide to marry what would you desire out of the partner?

Oh I understand what you're saying perfectly, so true. For their record, they weren't actually setting me up I was just telling them about the current condition. They are good parents, they respect me and I respect them. It may be so that a Vaishnava is above the law of parents, but I will always respect their wishes and at least try to fulfill their needs as crazy as they may be. I was primarily trying to stress the general difficulty that is prevalent when trying to find a wife in this current setting.

Thanks for this, I'm going to save this - it's very helpful.

that guy's rockin out!

Sorry to throw the thread off course here. I just wanted to say one quick thing about having to get married in this social setting.. I'm very frightened to get married! Yes I'd like to get married, but to a suitable person. I would like a Krsna conscious wife, vegetarian, intelligent, dutiful/hard working, beautiful, loving, determined etc etc. But as I've even said to my parents who would probably like to arrange a marriage for me in future, "This is a risky business, you see how I act, and ideals I uphold - where will you find such a wife who has similar behaviour/lifestyle or can surpass it in quality?". A compromise would undoubtedly be expected on my part should I have to marry any typical mary jane. Also I can say that a great majority of the indians i've met living in the west would probably not be so suitable for me (not that I'm exclusive to indians only) . Heck, even if I wasn't related to my family they probably wouldn't be suitable for me. Say if my parents arranged for me some girl, I wouldn't be suprised if she was eating meats like cow or was more concerned with fashion and partying rather than spiritual life and family life. I see this sort of thing daily. So what should a young vaishnav do or consider? Wouldn't it be best just to devote life to Krishna fully? But then parents may feel upset. It is kind of an obligation of the son to provide daughter in law for the mother - I don't know why. Something many indian mothers expect.. Even I as well as other young indian boys will try and look for our own wife as our elder siblings had done. That also is a very difficult task. There are too many conflicting lifestyles to ones own lifestyle out there. Sure we could marry a typical smart and pretty wife. But what good will it do for the future of our family if she's not cultured, or has no regard for spiritual life?

Wrong forum anyway.. This is health and wellbeing. Post your question and details in the astrology forum and maybe someone will answer?

I agree with Bija's advice. It's perfect. Also I can relate to your situation, I've been there - but Bija speaks truth when he says " realize true nature and true ego (who am I really)....then what others do will not be so important" Once you can understand that, everything is fine. I still see/associate with friends of that nature, it's different now but still OK. I wouldn't worry about what they think of you either, you can never know unless you ask them directly. Anyway - these mental disturbances are your creation only, they might not even notice anything unusual/different about you?! Don't stress too much over dealings with friends. They are afterall your friends. You should befriend the bhagavatam set! That is the bestest friend! Hope that helps.