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In early 1976 I was a pujari to the Deities at Melbourne Temple, I used to dress Balarama Subadra and Jaganath and and Sri Sri Radha Ballabah. At 9.30 I would go down to Spiritual Sky incense and clothing factory where Urgrashava managed, we had a diety of Ganesh and every morning we had poojah offerings to Ganesha.This went on for months however, when Srila Prabhupada found out, he abruptly ended our worship of Ganesha saying that we are aspiring Vaishnava's and we worship Radha Krishna, Lord Caitanya and Balarama Subadra and Jaganath, we worship the source of Ganasha's and Luxmi's s'akti, who is Lord Krishna. Then Prabhupada quoted the Gita where it says only the less intelligent worship the demigods because they want material gain
Thanks, yes I understand but please read carefully the paragraph above. SP is talking about worshipping Ganesh not for material gain but as a spiritual help. Less intelligent person worship Ganesh for material things but a devote starting his spiritual life, Lord Ganesh is like a Guru, an important link between Lord Krsna and us, because he is empowered for removing all impediments in spiritual life.
So in this point of view I see no fault worshiping Ganesh and begging him: Lord Ganesh please help me in my spiritual life and make all auspicious for developing my service to Lord Krsna......
But if a vaishnava worship Lord Ganesh for material gain and or because He thinks that He is independent of Lord Krsna or above Him, in this case He is less intelligent and his worship will be pointless for his spiritual life
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Hare Krsna devotees. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Here I foud this in the nectar of devotion, is the first time that I heard it from Srila Prabhupada:
One should begin the worship of the demigod Gaṇapati, who drives away all impediments in the execution of devotional service. In the Brahma-saḿhitā it is stated that Gaṇapati worships the lotus feet of Lord Nṛsiḿhadeva and in that way has become auspicious for the devotees in clearing out all impediments. Therefore, all devotees should worship Gaṇapati.
I like what Srila Prabhupada is saying but what about the past acharyas?
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Today I listen to "Talking a Trashy Audience" 1 Jul 74 , Melbourne, doesnt look like these people were more spiritually inclined. There were interjections almost through the whole class at an university.I will check the dvd library
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Srila Prabhupada - ‘No one falls from the spiritual world or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode. (Bhag. 3.16.26, purp.)
This clearly means our nitya-siddha svarupa body can NEVER leave Goloka or Vaikuntha and that WE ONLY DREAM, THINK OR IMAGINE WE LEAVE. In this way the mahat-tattva is the destination for where such dreams go.
It is there in the material creation that the baddha jiva's are provided with temporary bodily forms created by Maha-Vishnu who is dreaming the entire mahat-tattva or material creation aspect of the Spiritual Sky.
In this way it is Srila Prabhupada explaining to us in very simple English that we all originate from Goloka.
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Prabhupāda: You are coming from home. So this is our temporary home. We have got real home. That is the kingdom of God.
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The above is the correct understanding of how we all came to the material world, this I have understood since 1972 when we travelled around Australia in a double decker bus with Mudhuvisa (then) Swami and Caru prabhu.
Caru was with us only for part of the preaching mission to Towns and Villages around Australia however was there when the ‘origin of the jiva’ discussions began. Others on this first travelling preaching mission from Sydney to Cairns were Balarama, Chittahari, Yasamatinandana, Dvaipayana, Ted Spencer, Kuntiboja, Srngi (now Muralidhar_das) Krishna Prema and my self and one or two I cannot remember, lived in the Brahmacari quarters which was the bottom deck of the bus (except for the bus drivers who had a private space upstairs), while the second deck (upstairs) was the Brahmatarini quarters were Ambika, Arti, Kamarupa and Sukla devi-dasi’s resided.
It was at 83 Hereford street Gleb Temple , near the Sydney Uni in April 1972 we began our preaching mission. There were 14 of us on the double Decker Bus, the Brahmacari quarters were down stairs and the brahmatrinis quarters were up stairs. The trip went up north visting all Towns to Cains.
On the way we chanted on the streets of Brisbane for many days. Brisbane was also having their annual 'festive show' and we chanted at the front gates where tens of thousands of people watched us chanting and some recieving BTG.
It was on this bus trip a devotee suggested we came from the Brahmajyoti and started the ‘origin of the jiva’ controversy.That idea was quickly rejected in a letter from Prabhupada that was sent to all Temple Presidents in Australia.
The Srimad Bhagavatam classes delved deeply into the souls origin on this bus preaching mission. We new this was a very auspecious time and new what we were hearing where the deep secrets and explanation of the univers and its creator Lord Krishna. We just new we were very fortunate to be there hearing such wonders of creation. Some of us asked 'what did we deserve to hear the Srimad Bhagavatam, that Madhuvisa read from one of Prabhupadas original volumes he brought with him in 1965 to America'.
Some speculated we were yogis, mystic's, devotee's and even demons from the Satya-yuga. Madhuvisa laughed and simply said 'It is by the causless mercy of Lord Caitanya and Srila Prabhupada that the seeds of Bhakti are sowed in your hearts.
In those days we would chant on the streets for 8 to 10 hours a day. One night at the show grounds we chanted to 10pm because there where so many people. We did this through all the Towns ond cities as we proceeded up north to Cains
At Karanda, just ouside of Cains, Madhuvisa lead a blissful kirtan through the hippie community and hundreds of them, most naked, joined in chanting Hare Krishna and dancing.
Devotees before this had never visited anywhere outside of Sydney or Melbourne. We were the pioneers at the very beginning of Lord Caitanya's very rare Goldern Age in Kali-yuga.
We celebrated Janmastam at a Buddhist colony not far from Karranda; we loaded as many hippies as we could in the double decker Hare Krishna bus, all chanting Hare Krishna and dancing 'on the bus' to the excellent blissful kirtans with Mudhuvisa leading. IT WAS VERY SPECIAL
The following day was Vysa-puj and Madhuvisa had lit a candle under Srila Prabhupada’s photo, the aura, bliss, love and security from that photo permeated the entire bus with an amazing mood of reverence and Krishna Consciousness. They were amazing days and there was a childish innocence about those days, In fact we thought Mudhuvisa was old (he was 24 and Balarama was 29). The rest of us where still teenagers. The present generation I don't think realize how young we were in those beginning years of ISKCON. There was also no hanky panky going on, everyone was very sincere, very dedicated and very attached to Prabhupada, I know I was.
In those early years we only ate offerings to the Dieties and absolutely nothing else (We had a beautiful photo of the Panca-tattva with a wonderful Photo of Prabhupada at their feet), no-one even dreamed of eating anything unprepared by devotees or even drink soft drinks in those blissful days.
Those years were extraordinary. Dwaip cooked up beautiful offerings to Srila Prabhupada while Citta, and Balarama and myself were the Bus Drivers. Yaso and Kuntiboja were the inquisitive philosopher, well, actually we all were. Many times we discussed the origins of the jiva that lead to the famous “Crow-and-Tal-Fruit Logic” letter Srila Prabupada sent to his inquisitive Australian devotees.
You will find many devotee's in ISKCON will not discuss this subject because of that letter however, that was then. nearly 40 years ago. I am convience Srila Prabhupada never meant that we never discuss this subject. In fact he has said in other letters we should undertand this subject and that we were previously actively engaged in Krishna Lila in our original constitional position.
Actually, we are therefore still in Vaikuntha but are 'consciously' caught up within the past, present and future of the material creation that has covered the 'eternal present' of Vaikuntha and Goloka like a cloud covers the Sun.
Also you will find many devotee's in ISKCON will not discuss this subject because of that letter however, that was then. nearly 40 years ago. I am convience Srila Prabhupada meant we never discuss this subject. In fact he has said in other letters we should undertand this subject and that we were previously actively engaged in Krishna Lila.
Actually we still in Vaikuntha but are 'consciously' caught up within the past, present and future of the material creation that has covered the 'eternal present' of Vaikuntha and Goloka like a cloud covers the Sun
Srila Prabhupada - “Your next question, "Is a pure devotee eternally liberated and if so is he at any time a conditioned soul? We are eternally conditioned, but as soon as we surrender to Krishna do we then become eternally liberated? You are not eternally conditioned. You are eternally liberated but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it appears that we are eternally conditioned. Because we cannot trace out the history or the date when we became conditioned, therefore it is technically called eternally conditioned. Otherwise the living entity is not actually conditioned. A living entity is always pure. But he is prone to be attracted by material enjoyment and as soon as he agrees to place himself in material enjoyment, he becomes conditioned, but that is not permanent. Therefore a living entity is called on the marginal state, sometimes this side, sometimes that side. These are very intelligent questions. And I am very glad that you are putting such intelligent questions and trying to understand it. It is very good”. Letter to Aniruddha dasa, Los Angeles 14 November 1968
interesting about what happened in asutralia, also we should remeber in a lecture at australia where Srila Prabhupada was speaking very openely about tha fall from Vaikhunta
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All glories to Lord Ganesh, the Remover of All Obstacles! Lord Ganesh ki Jaya! Jesus ki Jaya!Even the Bible begins with Ganesh Gnss G(e)n(e)s(i)s.
Did you ever see this:
Also Lord Jesus Said that He will Come in the future with another name, the second coming and Lord Ganesh incarnate in the world 4 or 8 times says the vedas to reestablish the dharma. Some people thinks that the second comming is kalki avatar but it is said that Lord Kalki comes in last part of Kaliyuga, so I think that this second Comming is the Lord Ganesha Avatar
According to the Ganesha Purâna, four Ganesh incarnations came on earth during the different periods (yuga), in order to fight the devils. They are :
- Mahotkata with ten arms, seated on a lion, shining like the sun, came during the Krita Yuga to kill the demons Narântak and Devântak
- White-colored Shri Mayureshvar with six arms, riding the peacock, faced the demon Sindhu during the Treta Yuga
- Red-colored Shri Gajânana with four arms, mounted on his rat, destroyed the demon Sindur during the Dwapara Yuga
- Dhûmraketu is the form of Ganesh who will come in the future; we are now living in the Kali Yuga. Two-arms and smoke-colored Dhûmraketu will ride on a blue horse; he will fight all the devils to restore peace and harmony in the world.
- Mahotkata with ten arms, seated on a lion, shining like the sun, came during the Krita Yuga to kill the demons Narântak and Devântak
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31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Lord Ganesh and Jesus are the most famous, there is no celebration where Lord Ganesh is not invoked, even Srila Prabhupada instructed that we should pray to him for removing the obstacles in our spiritual lives. Lord Jesus is know as Lord of the Lords, Lord Ganesh as Ganapatya, LOrd Jesus as the lamb of God, Lord Ganesh as the elephant of God, the simbol of them is the Cross and so on, too many similarities. Some Tibetan monks said me that they are the same person, but this is confidential and in the future will be know by all ppl.
nectar of devotion:
Other rules are that one should not offer foodstuff which is cooked by a non-Vaiṣṇava, one should not worship the Deity before a nondevotee, and one should not engage himself in the worship of the Lord while seeing a nondevotee. One should begin the worship of the demigod Gaṇapati, who drives away all impediments in the execution of devotional service. In the Brahma-saḿhitā it is stated that Gaṇapati worships the lotus feet of Lord Nṛsiḿhadeva and in that way has become auspicious for the devotees in clearing out all impediments. Therefore, all devotees should worship Gaṇapati.
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Anyone commenting on authentic Christianity, namely the Christianity taught by those saints and sages of the Jesus Gurus Saddhu (and their sahstra) must be IN Jesus parampara.The book of mormon says that this Jesus Parampara was broken after the demise of the Apostles and was reestablished with the Book of mormon and Joseph Smith.
It is said that Joseph Smith was wondering when was a child, where are the saints of Lord Jesus? and a Angel cameto meet Him and explain him all this things, it is very interesting. this time when the parampara was broken is called apostasy, anyway I don't believe in the Mormoniac Church, but I belive in the book of mormon
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A thing that piss me off is such people who makes difference between other spiritual paths. I don't call the other paths religions, because religion are made by the man. I mean that the scriptures are revealed by God and religions are an attempt for understanding the scriptures. I don't believe in religions but I believe in the scriptures. So if the three main scriptures says that God is one, there are two posibilities.
a)All are right (we are talking of the same god, the one without second)
b)All are wrong (each scripture have his own sectarian god, obviously that the masses will ignore this).
I know that religious and karmies people will take the second sentence
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What is the reasoning behind this statement Her Servant?akashik records are the same book of life from the bible
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If you want to know about Christianity don't go to a vedic swami, read the bible and ask to a Christian Swami.
The cobbler should stick to his last
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sorry devotes but the first thing that came to my mind reading that articles is Cowdung!
this swami talks like a pharisee
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"In the beginning, from clear consciousness, or the pure state of Krsna consciousness, the first contamination sprang up. This is called false ego, or identification of the body as self. The living entity exists in the natural state of Krsna consciousness, but he has marginal independence, and this allows him to forget Krsna. Originally, pure Krsna consciousness exists, but because of misuse of marginal independence there is a chance of forgetting Krsna… From the status of pure consciousness, the false ego is born because of misuse of independence. We cannot argue about why false ego arises from pure consciousness. Factually, there is always the chance that this will happen, and therefore one has to be very careful. (3.26.23-24)"
Reading the verse above, I would Call the material world the big theater, because the false ego is part of the external energy of the Lord, so if someone descende without the protection of the Lord will get caught sooner or later with this energy and will get material bodies. For material pleasure is a must to have material bodies and this process start with the false ego, "Aham mameti". Here in the material world the souls get envious of Krsna, maybe not before, not in Vaikhunta or Goloka. Enviousness is the side effect of being here.
Therefore the souls who wants to enjoy this material world must cover his spiritual bodies starting with false ego and so on. So this process is like a lila, maybe I was plant, a fish, a demigod, I was killed tons of times, but I am still pure because I am a spiritual soul and the soul can't be contaminated, is my constitutional position, my consciousness is contaminated but not my soul, conciousness can change but not the soul.
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We have been told by the acaryas that 90% of all jivas never come to the material world, so that leaves 10% who become fallen. I cannot at present find the reference for this, but I believe it's in the writings of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur.interesting, try to quote this please if you can or want
anyway that 10% percent is a very big number, endless
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Below Balabadra prabhu suggests that in the spiritual world there can't be freewill since the attraction to be with Krishna completely destroys freewill?Prabhupāda: Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will.
Philosophy Discussions
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda Rene Descartes
DESCARTES.HAY
Devotee: He says that free will can be essentially eliminated. He says you no longer have the choice to be agreeable or not agreeable.
Prabhupāda: No. That is not possible. That is another foolishness.
Philosophy Discussions
with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda B. F. Skinner
SKINNER.SYA
Envy Rules, Kindly Follow!BY: BALAVIDYA DASAJan 10, CALIFORNIA, USA (SUN) —For many years now an idea has been bandied about in ISKCON, and only ISKCON, not in any other Vaisnava sampradaya, that the jiva in Goloka-Vrndavana becomes envious of Krsna, and as a result that jiva is cast into the material world where he rotates in the cycle of birth and death for what may be billions of lifetimes of ignorance and misery.Well, so much for krsna-prema! Apparently it is not at all satisfying, Krsna and His devotee regularly give each other up, and the strong tendency is for the soul to wander off from the rasa-lila for pastures anew down there in the jolly material world. Yes, why rotate in the rasa-lila, when one can rotate in the cycle of birth and death?And what’s all this about Krsna being “All-Attractive”. Apparently this is all just empty propaganda. Krsna actually should be known as the Object of Envy, not attraction. And unlimited, unlimited, unlimited jivas in unlimited, unlimited, unlimited universes have come to this conclusion. “I’m outta here! You can keep Goloka and all that ecstasy! I’m off. Thank God for the Maya-shakti!”Sri Krsna, who’s He? Better to change His Name to “Not so All-Attractive.” Or maybe “Temporarily All-Attractive.” What about “Subject to Envy at Home Planet?”What to speak of “Infinitely-Intelligent”. How Krsna can be infinitely intelligent when He’s made a home for Himself wherein billions of souls are becoming envious of Him? Not really a smart thing to arrange when You are the Supreme Controller. Krsna must be very embarrassed to see all those souls becoming envious and rejecting Him in front of Mother Yasoda. Yes, all those remaining faithful servitors, it must plant a doubt in their minds: “Well, there are a lot of souls going to the jolly party down there in the material world. Maybe I should have a look to upgrade my pleasure by becoming a worm in the stool. Someone else can make the garlands. I’m outta here! ”Is not the point clear? If we accept the theory that the soul falls from an established relationship of pure-prema with Sri Krsna, then Krsna and that relationship are not perfect. Rather that relationship is an on/off temporary affair, and Krsna Himself really quite forgettable once jiva is down there in the material world, chewing the chewed.Actually, for the demoniac, this is the appeal of the fall-from-Goloka theory: It is an insult to Krsna, His servitors, and the relationship between them. From this theory, the clear implication is that these three are very much fallacious. Krsna is not All-Attractive, His servitors are not faithful, and bhakti-rasa is neither perfect, nor satisfying, nor permanent. So by propagating this theory, all three are degraded from their sublime transcendental position to secondary categories that have all the material qualities of impermanence and imperfection.Having insulted the Lord, His servitors, and Bhakti-Marg in that way, the demoniac swell with pride. “Who’s going to be Krsna’s devotee now that I have proved it’s all quite mundane up there? I just killed three birds with one stone.”When these demons are countered with the Vedic evidences that this writer has given in his previous posting “No Contradiction in Teachings of Srila Prabhupada on the Fall of the Jiva”, their response is quite disingenuous: They ignore Vedanta-Sutra, they ignore the Seventh Goswami, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, they ignore Bhagavad-Gita, and they ignore Srila Prabhupada’s conclusion:-
“The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode.” Purport, Sb. 3.16.26.
Instead of accepting this statement, and similar multifarious others, as the “conclusion” of Srila Prabhupada and offering their obeisances as defeated, they latch onto the chance to now denigrate Srila Prabhupada. They have already degraded Krsna, His Servitors, and Bhakti, they now see a chance to attack Krsna’s representative in the material world-the Guru and His commentaries. Srila Prabhupada’s teachings are “contradictory”. This proposed vacillation brings into question whether Srila Prabhupada actually knew what he was talking about. “Maybe he wasn’t sure about the jiva issue?” “Therefore maybe the rest of his commentaries are speculative and we need a good editor in there to change things around. Someone from the BBT.”And why stop at the Guru and his commentaries? Why not have a swipe at the Vedas and Puranas, and their compiler Veda-Vyasa? “Apparently”, Veda-Vyasa has not done a very comprehensive job in compiling the Vedas and Their corollaries. Why? Because in all those sastras, Veda-Vyasa forgot to explain that the jiva falls from prema-rasa in Goloka out of envy. In fact, Veda-Vyasa got it all wrong and throughout the Vedas, Vedanta-sutra, and Bhagavad-Gita made the mistake of clearly stating many times that “No-one falls from the Abode of the Lord.”Let this be the challenge to the fool and rascal purveyors of this groundless fall-from-Goloka theory: Kindly provide one description directly from the Vedas of a fall out of envy of the Supreme Lord of the jiva from Goloka Vrndavana…. Just one!We have heard your self-serving contorted misinterpretations of Srila Prabhupada’s statements. So there is no need for more of that. We know your position on that. We know that in of the vast body of Srila Prabhupada’s recorded teachings that there are statements that can be bent in favor of ‘fall from Vaikuntha’. We know that you are good at word-bending and ignoring what doesn’t suit you. In this way you remind us of the mayavadis that will use the Vedas to prove that Krsna is made from maya and that ultimately the Absolute Truth is formless and impersonal. In fact, not only do you use the same ignoring and word-bending as the mayavadis, but also the implications of your theory make a nice fit with the mayavadis: Krsna and relationship with Him are subject to the rule of Maya-devi. It’s all temporary and imperfect.And what is the ultimate implication of this fall from Goloka theory? It is that “Envy of Krsna defeats Love of Krsna, even in Goloka”. Now you see why it is so appealing to the demons: “Apparently”, Envy is the Power!So purveyors, just give one clear and full description from the Vedas and Purana of the residents of Goloka Vrndavana becoming “envious” of Krsna and falling to the material world. We emphasize, because we know you love to bend words and ignore, that the description must be from the original sastras. Is that clear enough? Just one description from the ultimate authority of the Vedas of something that has happened, according to your theory, literally trillions and trillions and trillions of unlimited times!Now even you cannot say the above request is “contradictory”.We invite the biggest in the wobbly ISKCON superstructure to respond with this telling Vedic tale of ‘Envy in Goloka’. It is well known that Hrdyananda Goswami, Jayavaita Swami, Drutakarma dasa, Dravida dasa, Gopi-paranadhana dasa believe this absurd theory.Oh great pandits! Where’s your sastric evidence…….?We hope this is found helpful,Your servant, Balavidya dasaIs possible to falldown from the spiritual world? NO
Can I come by my free will to the material world? YES
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SB 11.9.5 - Once a marriageable young girl was alone in her house because her parents and relatives had gone that day to another place. At that time a few men arrived at the house, specifically desiring to marry her. She received them with all hospitality.SB 11.9.6 - The girl went to a private place and began to make preparations so that the unexpected male guests could eat. As she was beating the rice, the conchshell bracelets on her arms were colliding and making a loud noise.
SB 11.9.7 - The young girl feared that the men would consider her family to be poor because their daughter was busily engaged in the menial task of husking rice. Being very intelligent, the shy girl broke the shell bracelets from her arms, leaving just two on each wrist.
SB 11.9.8 - Thereafter, as the young girl continued to husk the rice, the two bracelets on each wrist continued to collide and make noise. Therefore she took one bracelet off each arm, and with only one left on each wrist there was no more noise.
SB 11.9.9 - O subduer of the enemy, I travel throughout the surface of the earth learning constantly about the nature of this world, and thus I personally witnessed the lesson of the young girl.
SB 11.9.10 - When many people live together in one place there will undoubtedly be quarreling. And even if only two people live together there will be frivolous conversation and disagreement. Therefore, to avoid conflict, one should live alone, as we learn from the example of the bracelet of the young girl.
So may sensual desires enter the mind and demand attention. "Marry me", "No marry me," between the need for food and the need for sex there is always something pulling us and annoying us.
Living alone in relative peace is one level but then we must learn to genuinely live within in union with the Lord to be beyond the disturbances of outside influences which are trying to entangle us deeper into the material maze.
this,
I woul like this Uddhava Gita and is not in Krishna Culture:crying2:
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HAre KRsna
I heard that the Uddhava Gita will be released soon or is already released, in this case where could I get it?
and what about the 11 canto of SB translated by Iskcon? is bonafide the translation?
Hari Bolo
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In this age of Kali yuga, Kalki Avatar does not come.
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In this Kali yuga the Avatar is Lord Catainya. Devotees have so much faith and love for Sri Caitanya that they believe that EVERYONE will be saved by Lord Caitanya and when Kalki does come, as He does in all Kali-yuga’s, He simply will join in the sankirtan movement of Lord Caitanya and Nityananda. This is a natural selfless emotion by the Vaishava's because they want EVERY LIVING ENTITY trapped in the material world to go back home back to Godhead. Great Vaishnava's even pray that they cannot go home until ALL baddha jivas are liberated
Vedic Predictions Are Always Accurate for those who do not surrender to the Lord, but remember, this Kali-yuga is very, very special.
Sankarshan Das Adhikari explains as follows
There cannot be any discrepancies in the Vedic predictions. Therefore Kalki Avatar will indeed appear at the end of the Kali yuga 427,000 years from now and annihilate the demons. The predictions are so accurate that His father's name and His village name are also predicted. The planet earth will at that time be in a state of total chaos.
The entire human population will be reduced to the size of pygmies and they will all be cannibals engaged in killing and eating each other. Kalki Avatar's killing will be an expression of His unlimited love because anyone who is killed by Him receives immediate salvation. Because their brains will be too dull to comprehend transcendental knowledge, instead of preaching to them the Lord will mercifully deliver them by killing them. And then after they are annihilated a new golden age, the Satya Yuga, will begin.
But remember a devotee of Lord Caitanya is extremely rare, (appearing only in one Kali-yuga in a day of Brahma) and always prays to Lord Caitanya to save the unfortunate souls from the horror at the end of Kali yuga, hence when Kalli appears, he just joins in the chanting of Hare Krishna.
Yes Kalki will appear, but I have a question
If kalki will come in 427.000 years why the Sb list so many incarnation in so little space of time? all incarnations who are listed in the SB have appeared, less kalki and He will come in 427.000 years and all others incarnation in just 5.000 years?
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In this age of Kali yuga, Kalki avatar does not come.
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I think that humans existed on Earth even before the epoch during which the dinosaurs flourished. But I do not know if humans were on Earth only in higher-dimensional continuums during that distant time in the past. However, I know that in Srimad Bhagavatam 8.10.10-12, 'giant lizards' are mentioned (or something closely along those lines anyway). Does anyone here know if there are any other allusions made in the Vedic literature of a possible co-existence between humans and dinosaurs?They have co existed, just take a look to the ica stones, Ica stones have made for a culture thousands and thousands of years ago, is the same cultur which has made the nazca line. They put his life in the stones. they were a civilization from a another planet, and were expert in making brain and heart surgeries, in the stones you can see ufos (their own ships) and dinosaurs, surgeries, prophecies for us and so on....
http://www.crystalinks.com/icastones.html
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Another victim of post-Prabhupada ISKCON.so what, the "vedas" are not the only scriptures in the world and if you reject them well that is your problem and your own ignorance, the christian books are very simple and maybe for that reason people is not interested in them because people today are not simple. Even here in southamerica and Tibet there are scriptures which explain EVERYTHING. In Tibet there are lamas who live in secret places in the himalayas and some of them came to Chile and take some scriptures to Tibet, because here incarnated someone like vyasa, this person writed tons of scrolls and some lamas from tibet came to meet him for bringing back some scrolls
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I would like to know what the bible, the book of mormon and the quoran says about the fall of the jiva. At this moment Reading the book of mormon the fall of the jiva is like the fall of jaya and viyaja, all is a pastime. Some elders came to my house and explain me how and why we were here and is like what Srila Prabhupada have said. I will start again reading the Christian Books
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Here is a little udate, if anyone interested of course:) .I am using gravity boots almost a week now. I hang myself for one minute and feel OK. In coulple weeks, I will increase time to 2 minutes.
My wife tried them once and become very red in the face while hanging and told me that she does not like to use them anymore.
As for me, I saw no visible difference so far, but deffinetly see the point of using them.
can you levitate with that boots?
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I tend to agree at this point in time, but there are some issues. We are given diameters for the universe that barely encompass the solar system. We have the restriction of one sun (I see the sun demigod as having some sort of fractal body whose potency manifests here and there over and over). We have descriptions of the outer coverings and the inability to see out of the brahmanandi. It is quite a puzzle to be sure.I think that there were a time when the brahmanda was tiny, microscopic and now is ever expanding and will stop expanding and will begin to contract and will merge again across the pores of Mahavisnu, so there was a time when the universe was like the solar system.
it is very possible that I am concoting, but I know that the Srimad Bhagavatam are ancient histories, some ocurred millions of years ago and maybe in other creations... there are too many posibilities, maybe the sun is just like an atom of the Big Sun. It is said that in the center of the galaxy there is a big sun and this comes from another sun and this from another, without end. Like a ramification
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Wonderful post Herservant, I agree with you %100
When I read the bible and other scriptures I understand better the Teaching fo Lord Krsna and viceversa. An example is that the Truth is like a sphere and for conceiving his form one should see all possible points of view and one will see that in essence in all points of view we will see no difference, the same spherical shape.