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Why the Srimad Bhagavatam does not talk about avatar comming in the future (only kalki)?

and what will happen between these 427.000 years?

At least Srila Prabhupada in a purport says that if the world is getting worse Lord Krsna would descend again very soon

Perhaps you have had a vision of Krsna in a previous life while practicing bhakti, it is possible.

1. Since Krsna is the the cause of all causes then nothing in the creation

has an impersonal origin, including Krsna's effulgence. The only reason

that Srila Prabhupada refers to the brahmajyoti as impersonal is that

there is no possibility of active devotional service to the Lord there.

There is no Sanskrit word which is literally translated "impersonal

brahmajyoti". Brahmajyoti is literally the light of brahman.

 

2. Srila Jiva Goswami, Srila Rupa Goswami, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur and

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati are not "neo-gurus". Srila Prabhupada's

godbrother, Srila Sridhar Maharaj who joined the Gaudiya Math in 1922

is not a neo-guru. Sripad Narayana Maharaj who joined with his guru in

1946 is not a neo-guru. It is Sarva gattah's apasiddhanta that is

"neo"!

Thanks,

when I talk about neo gurus I am talking about post Srila Prabhupada, they started this issue

I know in the core of my heart that the impersonalist origin and fall down of the soul is not the final true or is not like the neo-gurus explain, and when I read such things cause me pain.

I think that Devotees who accept the conclusion that the jiva has never seen Krsna their lives are very embittered and become guru fanaticals and idolatrous, and I know this by facts, they enter in a hole and wants that all people enter with them. I would like to open a topic talking about what is the practical effect of such theories.

Two days ago a person asked to a guru how the jiva fall and why we are here? this guru instead of saying what Srila Prabhupada taught (we were rebellious, etc) , explain him the impersonal origin of the jiva and this person didn't accept this conclusion, I saw his face after the conversation and was like this .

 

Srila Prabhupada Bhagavad Gita Introduction

The Lord says, na tad bhasayate suryo na sasanko na pavakah. yad gatva na nivartante tad dhama paramam mama. One who can approach that spiritual sky is not required to descend again to the material sky.

 

 

Uddhava Gita with commentary and Purport of Previous Acaryas

 

The Supreme Lord said: My dear Uddhava, the three modes of material nature work under My control, sometimes designating the living entities as conditioned and sometimes granting them liberation. Truthfully, the living entities are never really conditioned or liberated, just as I remain unchanged as the Supreme Absolute Truth, the master of all potencies.

 

 

 

 

COMMENTARY (Srila Vishvanatha Cackravarti Thakur)

 

 

In this chapter, the Lord describes to Uddhava characteristics of conditioned and liberated souls, the symptoms by which one can recognize saintly persons, and the limbs of devotional service. The Lord tells Uddhava that his question is unnecessary because the soul is never really bound by the material nature. It is simply an illusion to think that the materal body, which is created by the influence of the three modes of material nature, is the self. Only due to such illusion does the living entity suffer, just as one experiences distress in a dream. Of course, materal nature is not an illusion—it actually exists, just as the living entities also exist, both being potencies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the dream that he is a part of the material nature that constitutes the illusion of the living entity. Thus, the soul is never actually bound because his existence is always superior to that of matter.

 

PURPORT (Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati)

 

 

The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the master of all potencies. It is only by speculation that the ignorant conditioned souls imagine that the Lord is devoid of variegatedness. Although the living entity is part and parcel of the Lord’s superior potency, he now identifies with the inferior potency of the Lord and thus experiences conditional life. The living entity is liberated when contacts the superior potency of the Lord, which has three divisions— hlädiné, or spiritual pleasure; sandhiné, or eternal existence; and saàvit, or all-pervading knowledge. The Lord’s existence is sac-cid-änanda and He never becomes forgetful. The living entities, however being minute in quantity, are sometimes conditioned and sometimes liberated.

The neutral state of the three modes of material nature is called

pradhäna. When the three modes of material nature interact, they compete for control over the tiny living entities, thus creating a variety of manifestations. When the conditioned soul desires to free himself from the entanglements caused by the modes of material nature, he must take to the devotional service of the Lord, which can elevate him to the spiritual world. In the spiritual sky, everyone possesses spiritual bodies that are not subject to change. In such a liberated state of existence, there is no possibility of being influenced by the three modes of material nature. After understanding one’s eternal nature, one can see that he was never really a part of this material world. On the spiritual platform, there is no existence of the conception of liberation and bondage. Being the marginal energy of the Supreme Lord, one should use his minute independence to engage in the Lord’s devotional service and thus revive his original consciousness, which is eternal, full of knowledge, and full of bliss. In such a state, there is no chance of once again falling into illusion.

A devote said me that His Guru (Disciple of Srila Prabhupada) went to Sridhar Maharaj and He said Him that he should make disciples.

As far as I know The Diksa Guru entrust his disciple to be a Guru, Srila Prabhupada was ordered by His Spiritual Master to be a Guru, but can a Siksa Guru take the position of the Diksa and say to his godbrother's disciple be guru and make disciples?

Thanks!

Hare Krsna!

Uddhava Gita with commentary and Purport of Previous Acaryas

The Supreme Lord said: My dear Uddhava, the three modes of material nature work under My control, sometimes designating the living entities as conditioned and sometimes granting them liberation. Truthfully, the living entities are never really conditioned or liberated, just as I remain unchanged as the Supreme Absolute Truth, the master of all potencies.

In this chapter, the Lord describes to Uddhava characteristics of conditioned and liberated souls, the symptoms by which one can recognize saintly persons, and the limbs of devotional service. The Lord tells Uddhava that his question is unnecessary because the soul is never really bound by the material nature. It is simply an illusion to think that the materal body, which is created by the influence of the three modes of material nature, is the self. Only due to such illusion does the living entity suffer, just as one experiences distress in a dream. Of course, materal nature is not an illusion—it actually exists, just as the living entities also exist, both being potencies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the dream that he is a part of the material nature that constitutes the illusion of the living entity. Thus, the soul is never actually bound because his existence is always superior to that of matter.

The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the master of all potencies. It is only by speculation that the ignorant conditioned souls imagine that the Lord is devoid of variegatedness. Although the living entity is part and parcel of the Lord’s superior potency, he now identifies with the inferior potency of the Lord and thus experiences conditional life. The living entity is liberated when contacts the superior potency of the Lord, which has three divisions— hlädiné, or spiritual pleasure; sandhiné, or eternal existence; and saàvit, or all-pervading knowledge. The Lord’s existence is sac-cid-änanda and He never becomes forgetful. The living entities, however being minute in quantity, are sometimes conditioned and sometimes liberated.

The neutral state of the three modes of material nature is called

pradhäna. When the three modes of material nature interact, they compete for control over the tiny living entities, thus creating a variety of manifestations. When the conditioned soul desires to free himself from the entanglements caused by the modes of material nature, he must take to the devotional service of the Lord, which can elevate him to the spiritual world. In the spiritual sky, everyone possesses spiritual bodies that are not subject to change. In such a liberated state of existence, there is no possibility of being influenced by the three modes of material nature. After understanding one’s eternal nature, one can see that he was never really a part of this material world. On the spiritual platform, there is no existence of the conception of liberation and bondage. Being the marginal energy of the Supreme Lord, one should use his minute independence to engage in the Lord’s devotional service and thus revive his original consciousness, which is eternal, full of knowledge, and full of bliss. In such a state, there is no chance of once again falling into illusion.

yes and is scientifically checked, search for Dr Emoto and his water experiments

Chapter 14: The Ecstasy of the Lord and His DevoteesBhaktivedanta VedaBase: Teachings of Lord Caitanya

here are two kinds of dresses worn in that relationship of conjugal love, and they are called sambhoga and vipralambha. On the sambhoga platform, the dresses are unlimited, and on the vipralambha they are four in number. The ecstasy exhibited before the lover and beloved meet, the ecstasy experienced between them after meeting, the state of mind experienced by not meeting, and the state of mind experienced after meeting fearing separation are called vipralambha. That vipralambha serves as a nourishing element for future meetings. When the lover and beloved meet all of a sudden and embrace one another, they feel an ecstasy of happiness, and the state of mind they experience in that ecstasy is called sambhoga. According to the situation, sambhoga ecstasy is also known by four names: (1) sańkṣipta, (2) sańkīrṇa, (3) sampanna, (4) samṛddhimān. Such symptoms are also visible during dreams.

even we could kick Him out of love!

Twelve million follow the Mormon Church of Latter-Day Saints. Here is a report including video:

 

http://www.pbs.org/mormons/?campaign=pbshomefeatures_2_frontlineamericanexperiencethemormons_2008-02-12

they are comming to my house, anD I live in front of them also they are comming all weeks, it is getting annoying and they know my name!

This post scare me

The drunk looked up at me and I was prepared for him to ask me for some money for his wine. What he did was look me straight in the eye as he said in a strong voice with conviction, "God is spirit!"

is this guara govinda swami the ritvik elected by Sridhar Maharaj?

What is the problem with all the Vishnavas including the Prabhupada (Prabhupada loves the word Rascal a lot, isn’t it?) I used to respect him very much until a moment ago. Just today I read his comments on Sai Baba. Then I thought it is no offense to Krishna if I use the word Rascal to Prabhupada. Because he never hesitated to use this word against SaiBaba. When Saibaba never said a single derogatory comment against any Vishnava why do they want to say things to him. What harm is he causing to you all. Is it his fault that an atheist like me after seeing him just once from far totally transformed and started going to temples, praying, respecting Vaishnavas and hosting them and hosting Bhajans?

Christians and Muslims do not accept Krishna as god, they say that Krishna is a pervert, a thief etc. They say Shiva Linga is a sexual organ of Man and Woman. Can you tell them that Bhagavatam is the only Sastra and not Bible or Koran? In Bible or Koran (they are Sastras for them like Bhagavatam or Shiva Puran for us!) Krishan/Chaitanay/Shiva was never mentioned. Dose it mean that Krishna is not god? Similarly, if few Vishnavas do not accept SaiBaba as god it does not matter to him or to his devotees. Saibaba is not a Rascal or his devotees. I can sing Krishna Bhajans better than many of you Vishnavas, I can chant more rounds than any of you. This is all because of Sai Grace. The only difference is Saibaba never criticized anybody nor taught me to say bad words.

Prabhupada used the word Rascal when refereeing to SaiBaba. Such a shame on him. He should have at least respected him as a saint. If SaiBaba committed a sin by saying he was god, Prabhupada committed even a bigger sin by calling him Rascal. Because all the ISKON people and other Vishnvas stared saying all sorts of things to him with out even thinking if they are qualified enough to say things to him. After all he dwells and preaches love for god all the time. Be it Krishna’s Bhajan or Shivas Bhajan or Jesus Bhajan. He always talks about Vedas, Krishna, Bhagavatam., Ramyan. Which part of it makes him a Rascal? Is it that he tells “Love all Serve All” that makes him a Rascal? “God is Every Where , learn to see him in his might” is it that makes him a Rascal? Or he teaches Bhajan “Murali Gana Lola Nanda Gopa Bala” is it that makes him a Rascal?

When Gopikas can give their CharanRajj to Krishna as ointment for his headache what problem dose it create to say that Krishna and I are one and same. What type of love I or SaiBaba do not have for Krishna that Gopikas had. I am even better than Goipkas. Krishna once left Goipkas but he never leaves me. you and take away all your name fame power

Wake up Guys. You created so many cults in your own religion. If a Muslim tells you that Allah is the only god, Mohammed is the last guru and Koran is the only Sastra, you guys urinate in your lungis and nod your heads. Then you come back and say things to your own religious leaders. Wake Up Wake Up. What a fool Prabhupada was, in spite of coming from the same religion, he did not accept any thing other than what he thought was right and built an empire. He expected people from other race and religion to obey him and his preaching. What happened? They just poisoned him and sacked all of it. Even Krishna did not come to rescue. (I have seen his video, what a pitiful death)If he had not criticized SaiBaba or other personalities may be Krishna would have come to his rescue.

If any body criticizes SaiBaba or me they will meet the same fate as Prabhupada. A bunch of goons will poison and murder . . This is a curse from a SaiVishnava..

SaiKrishna, forgive me for writing like this against Vishnavas. But I could not hold myself.

All ways in Krishna’ Service

KrishnaPriya Dasi

Once a Disciple of Srila Prabhupada met Saibaba's Followers, These followers started saying that Saibaba was God and the Disciple of SP replied :

I didn't know that God was so Ugly!

Saibogus is a rascal!!!! just see this video

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/725298/becareful_with_fake_god_sathya_sai_baba_part_9/

What do you think happens between one birth and another? Anything or is it straight to another womb?

Every Soul after leaving this gross body, Go to the above of Lord Brahma and He judge us according to our deeds, There we can see all our life as a film... is yamaraj an expansion of Lord Brahma?

Since more and more Vaishnavas don't live in temples anymore, instructive lesson by Kesava Krsna dasa:

 

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Jan 29, 2008

We all should have received some basic training on how to respectfully treat sastra. Knowing that none of Srila Prabhupada’s books should touch the ground or other inconsiderate place will make us consign the books to a decent position; but next to the TV! This is a bad idea.

By Kesava Krsna Dasa

If one uses the prajalpa box for no other reason than to watch Krishna related material, then it will be a worthy companion for whichever spiritual books compete for space on the wall unit. The constant visuals and sounds of Krishna katha should transform the TV into a spiritual teaching device.

One may think that simply watching current affairs, documentaries and news programmes are acceptable reasons to keep the square-eyed information loader upon the throne of a centrally prominent place in the lounge. So if, let’s say, the fascinating subject of the mating habits of a reclusive, endangered Madagascan sloth gets aired, will such informative prajalpa be as dignified as the presence of the Srimad Bhagavatam? Yes, even the Grantha-raja literary incarnation of Krishna is sometimes up there in the TV wall unit.

Inevitably, a commercial break will show up between programming, and it is not uncommon to see a roasting, sizzling piece of rotting flesh being paraded to the accompaniment of catchy musical scores to lure the gullible into eating the remains of slaughtered loss of life. With sanitized horror such as this, is it fitting the blabber box share equal kingly status as the Srimad Bhagavatam?

Then we have the case, as in some homes, where the TV more or less stays on, spewing out all manner of entertaining prajalpa, while the books are given 2nd or 3rd rate citizenship, serving as minions to the false king, the TV. If one were to place a functioning TV onto an altar where our worshipable deities reside, it would certainly be unthinkable.

Such an observance as this appears to be extremely high pontificatory summoning from the pulpit of self-proclaimed spiritual righteousness, which may cause one to sit rather uneasily in the sitting place, but there are reasons why this misplaced kingship should be usurped; if not, transferred elsewhere in the home.

A simple analysis will inform us that these situations happen because of ordinary perception, and ordinary chanting of japa. What does chanting have to do with keeping a TV next to Srila Prabhupada’s books? In fact, we should ask, how is it this has been allowed in the first place?

Healthy chanting engenders an awareness and respect for all things connected to Krishna, including sastra. If for some unknown reason some nagging or recurring problem occurs while chanting, it is a reaction to our violation of one, or all of the ten offences against the holy name. In this case, the fourth offence of blaspheming sastra may seem too unsympathetic and over the top. If we look at the third offence ‘ guror avajna ‘ the correlation becomes clearer.

If we take the fourth offence ‘ sruti sastra-nindanam ‘ to be just a verbal form of profanity then we reduce the severity of the wider definition of disrespect towards sastra. For instance, any sensitive devotee would be aghast to discover a pair of unclean shoes in the same bag as, let us say, a Bhagavad-Gita As It Is. Yet the untrained spiritual practitioner carrying the bag would fail to see the harm, because his chanting has not elevated him to this appreciation.

The third offence not only means to disobey the spiritual master, but to consider him an ordinary person. Therefore, when Srila Prabhupada’s and other sacred books are positioned near the TV, we plummet our perception down to the ordinary plane. The consequence of this is that our siksa guru and his life’s ambition to publish books are no better than the riveting and glamorous world of television. Then other devotees come to be seen as ordinary, and so on. ‘He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.’ (BG 16.23)

We have to ask, ‘How can one make spiritual progress’? while keeping sacred books in bad places. We can continue to chant, but it will be like pouring water onto the flames of our japa utterances. If we are serious enough to recognise this as a problem, we should move the bogus monarch away from such high-minded association.

We do not have to be feng shui or vastu experts to realize that warranted removal will have an immediate impact on raising the consciousness, and should help contribute towards a healthy and fruitful household. Srila Prabhupada’s books should have pride of place, rather, sanctity of place in the home, which will earn appreciation that is more respectful, leading to increased knowledge. ‘’. and knowledge is the ornament of everything.’ (Chanakya Pandit)

Having established a room for study and learning, our clearer conscience will enthrone the Srimad Bhagavatam in its rightful place. With a merciful king as this in the home, we can chant a little easier while trying to stop committing the rest of the ten offences. We need all the mercy we can get.

Ys, Kesava Krsna dasa.

My room is 3x2m and next to the computer are Sp books, it is sad because I am reading less and less:crying2:

That is a great price. I never have bought an ebook. But then I likwe the feel of a book in my hands. I do a lot of reading by carrying a book around as I walk, stopping at favorite spots.

 

But then I am an old timer who will never buy a cell phone.

 

Good to have options. How does it read to you so far CCC?

I am still waiting a response from isvara about the ebook:mad2:

I am getting it from http://touchstonemedia.com/ as ebook, it will cost me like $12

You are new to the forum and welcome dear seeker of the Truth.

 

This topic was raised because certain members of hate the mere mention the name Jesus. Simply say the Holy Name Jesus and out come the antichrists with vehement attacks on Christians, the Bible, and everything believed to be sacred by Jesus bhaktas.

 

The Lord certainly does not need my defense, but I decided to create this thread because neophyte devotees use this forum to investigate spiritual topics.

 

Therefore, I believe it is important for devotees to understand that the message, mission and the Lila of Jesus does not conflict in anyway with Vedic scriptures.

 

Rather, Jesus and the Vedas, particularly in this era of rapid information exchange between cultures and people, are meant to be studied together.

 

I agree with Ramaprasad that it is an offense to bring the Lord into such sectarian worldly disputes. Thank you for reminding us of the higher principles .. To Know Him, To Love Him and To Serve Him.

 

To Ramaprasad ... Welcome! Your presence here is a blessing.

 

All assembled devotees, let us leave worldly disputes behind in favor of singing the great glories of God.

 

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya! Jesu Ki Jaya!

The Supreme and Absolute Lord Says: Some says that Jesus is superior, Shiva is superior, Krsna is superior, Vishnu is superior, Brahma is superior, and others says that Jehova is superior, But I say to them that their ignorance is by far superior.

 

 

"Actually there is no birth of the jivas. They are all eternal, like Baladeva Prabhu Himself. Many things in the shastra is said to convince the jivas conditioned in the material world, that their real home is Goloka. There are so many things that sastra has told us, whereas in reality, in Goloka Vrndavana dhama, due to the 'eternal presents', these things will be seen in another way".

 

 

A Tibetan Monk (Kaula) told me and show me a scripture where it says that all comes from Goloka, from the Absolute and Supreme Dimension. He never used the name Goloka because is not vaishnava but is the same thing, He told me that there are three main dimension. In Vaishnava's words: the Material World(gross and sutil) the Spiritual World(Vaikhunta, Brahmaloka) and the Supreme and Absolute Dimension which all is originated from there. Also told me that Lord Krsna, Lord Rama; is the same Suprem Person, ParamShiva with his Consort ParamShakti or Radharani, Sita. Krsna is the Supreme and Absolute Lord and Radharani is his Supreme and Absolute Consciousness. He also told me that the Suprem Lord is not impersonal. Also He told me about Lord Gauranga as an Incarnation of the Supreme Lord, etc....

every ray has a form of light. see the hiranmayena patrena verse in Isa Upanishad (verse 15)

 

 

hiranmayena patrena

satyasyapihitam mukham

tat tvam pushann apavrinu

 

satya-dharmaya drishtaye

 

 

the true form of the Lord is covered by the dazzling light of brahmajyoti. svarupya (achieving the same form as the Lord) is a deeper level of spirituality. in brahmajyoti we are just light.

Where Lord Krsna says: My refulgence, the brahmajyoti, is made of infinite persons?

Brahman (brahmajyoti) is called "impersonal" in the same sense that the crowd of people is seen as "impersonal". Still, in both cases we are dealing with a vast number of individual persons. Each minute ray (spark or particle) of brahmajyoti is actually a living entity, who is a person.

so every minute ray has a trascendental form like Lord Krsna?

I remember that this was always quoted, Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13)

 

"People with less intelligence consider the Supreme Truth to be impersonal, but He is a transcendental person, and this is confirmed in all Vedic literatures. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. (Katha Upanishad 2.2.13) As we are all individual living beings and have our individuality, the Supreme Absolute Truth is also, in the ultimate issue, a person, and realization of the Personality of Godhead is realization of all of the transcendental features in His complete form. The complete whole is not formless. If He is formless, or if He is less than any other thing, then He cannot be the complete whole. The complete whole must have everything within our experience and beyond our experience, otherwise it cannot be complete."

 

Introduction of Bhagavad-gita

 

"The real competition began by being jealous to Kṛṣṇa. Real competition began. Kṛṣṇa-bahirmukha hañā bhoga vāñchā kare. Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme enjoyer. Kṛṣṇa says, bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29]. So our fall down this I have explained the other day is there when we wanted to compete with Kṛṣṇa or become Kṛṣṇa. The jealous, icchā…. Icchā-dveṣa- samutthena sarge yānti parantapa. Sarge. Sarge means this creation, this material creation. We have come to this material creation. We do not belong to this material creation, but we have come here.

Just like one does not belong to the prisonhouse, but by his own action he comes to the prisonhouse. He becomes criminal, and therefore he is put into the prisonhouse. By his own activity. It is not that government wants somebody should live in the prison house and somebody should live outside prisonhouse, free...."

 

Bhagavad-gītā 4.22

by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

Bombay, April 11, 1974

Is not impersonalist to deny the form of the soul and target our origin the impersonal brahman without a personal form?

please theist I would like your comment here

Hari Bol

Yes that is Alfred in his geek expansion. All praise to the computer and internet which allows frustrated geeky hermits like myself and many others to have a voice.

 

Hilarious Sarvah but kinda scarey also in that is not far off from how I really look.

C'mon theist post for us a photo of yourself:idea:

atha--if, however; ca--also; enam--this soul; nitya-jatam--always born; nityam--forever; va--either; manyase--so think; mrtam--dead; tatha api--still; tvam--you; maha-baho--O mighty-armed one; na--never; enam--about the soul; socitum--to lament; arhasi--deserve.

If, however, you think that the soul is perpetually born and always dies, still you still have no reason to lament, O mighty-armed.

There is always a class of philosophers, almost akin to the Buddhists, who do not believe in the separate existence of the soul beyond the body. When Lord Krsna spoke the Bhagavad-gita, it appears that such philosophers existed, and they were known as the Lokayatikas and Vaibhasikas. These philosophers maintained that life symptoms, or soul, takes place at a certain mature condition of material combination. The modern material scientist and materialist philosophers also think similarly. According to them, the body is a combination of physical elements, and at a certain stage the life symptoms develop by interaction of the physical and chemical elements. The science of anthropology is based on this philosophy. Currently, many pseudo-religions--now becoming fashionable in America--are also adhering to this philosophy, as well as to the nihilistic nondevotional Buddhist sects.

Even if Arjuna did not believe in the existence of the soul--as in the Vaibhasika philosophy--there would still have been no cause for lamentation. No one laments the loss of a certain bulk of chemicals and stops discharging his prescribed duty. On the other hand, in modern science and scientific warfare, so many tons of chemicals are wasted for achieving victory over the enemy. According to the Vaibhasika philosophy, the so-called soul or atma vanishes along with the deterioration of the body. So, in any case, whether Arjuna accepted the Vedic conclusion that there is an atomic soul, or whether he did not believe in the existence of the soul, he had no reason to lament. According to this theory, since there are so many living entities generating out of matter every moment, and so many of them are being vanquished at every moment, there is no need to grieve for such an incidence. However, since he was not risking rebirth of the soul, Arjuna had no reason to be afraid of being affected with sinful reactions due to his killing his grandfather and teacher. But at the same time, Krsna sarcastically addressed Arjuna as maha-bahu, mighty-armed, because He, at least, did not accept the theory of the Vaibhasikas, which leaves aside the Vedic wisdom. As a ksatriya, Arjuna belonged to the Vedic culture, and it behooved him to continue to follow its principles.