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You mean these in better quality?

 

yes or hi-res pictures of Krsna

Hare Krsna to all devotees

for many reasons I am not affiliated to any Hare Krsna group, I feel that my Guru is Srila Prabhupada and I read his books. Now I feel that is time to do some sankirtan, I have no experience doing sankirtan and I have made my own homemade books, I took the vedabase edited some books with microsoft word, pirnted them with my epson printer, stapling them with my heavy duty stapler, and so on. I know that the quality is not the same as the book printed in a professional printer but looks very well.

I like all about printing books and I love to make my own books instead of buying them in a temple. Also if I buy them will cost me more, and my main desire is to give them just for any donation, every homemade books cost me like 0.25 dollars and if the person give me that as donation I will be happy because I could print another book and another and another..., but if I buy the books in the temple will cost me maybe 1 dollar each one and I don't want and I can't put a price for a book about the Lord.

So I am making my books, and maybe friday I will distribute them (homemade books is a slow process), I don't know nothing about sankirtan but I think that the Lord and Srila Prabhupada will help me if they are satisfied with my service. Also to get bbt books from my city is a bit difficult.

What do you think about this? Am I too excentric? well I hope that the senior devotees help me in this.

Hare Krsna!

Hare Krsna devotees

I am looking for books covers of Srila Prabhupada books in hi-res, do you know where can I get them, wich website?

thanks

Well, At This moment I have read alot about Anti Sridhar Maharaj and Pro Sridhar Maharaj

My conclusion in this issue about Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers is that I have to read carefully the books translated by Srila Prabhupada and then compare them with the teachings of Sridhar Maharaj....

Sridhar Maharaja divorced himself from any support of the ISKCON gurus.

That is why the ISKCON gurus turned on him and started the war with Sridhar Maharaja.

 

If Sridhar Maharaja was supporting the ISKCON gurus then why did they wage war against him for so many years?

thanks Guruvani, Now is more clear for me. Now my next question is why Narayana Maharaj supported and was friend with some of these eleven, like Tamal Krsna?

Did NM know that they were appointed just ritviks and not initiating gurus?

This is the kind of thing that has ultimately brought me to the feeling that I was never really a disciple of Srila Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada never even knew I existed.

 

I have stood right in front of him on a couple of occasions and he wouldn't even look me in the eyes.

Maybe it is because I am a such a demon?

 

Anyway, I was never a disciple of Srila Prabhupada.

I was a disciple of the senior devotees who trained me up.

I was a disciple of the GBC and ISKCON.

 

ISKCON and the GBC have since become unacceptable to me and I have since rejected ISKCON because of the GBC and the loss of feeling that I am part of ISKCON or that I belong in ISKCON.

 

At this point I don't consider myself a disciple of anyone really.

I don't deserve to be called a disciple of anyone.

 

I truly do not think that I was ever really a legitmate disciple of Srila Prabhupada and I have come to reject the idea that I can be the disciple of someone who doesn't even know I exist.

 

I don't think that it was too much too ask that the guru spend at least 2 minutes with a devotee who had come to give his life to ISKCON.

Especially, if the opportunity was there and a new disciple had come to give his life to ISKCON, I don't think that refusing to give one minute of the spiritual master's time to a person who had given his life to service of the acharya was really the way to treat people who had joined ISKCON after reading the books.

 

I joined the movement in LA because I thought that Srila Prabhupada stayed their quite a bit and I thought I would get to meet him and actually get some personal contact.

 

Sure, he came to LA when I was there, but he didn't have one minute of his time to give to me but he had time for Stilson Judah and some other people that the GBC gave access to Srila Prabhupada.

 

I am done with it.

I am not the disciple of anyone anymore.

I am not a Hare Krishna devotee either.

I am none of the above.

I feel bad reading your post, sorry for your bad experience, maybe such experience broke your heart in the past. Is sad really

What proof do you have that he did?

Do you have evidence or are you just running on hearsay?

 

Please present your evidence that Sridhar Maharaja defended them.

 

He didn't defend them.

These men went to him and told him that Srila Prabhupada has appointed those 11 men to be acharyas, so Sridhar Maharaja tried to support them because they told him that Srila Prabhupada has appointed them to be successor acharyas.

They lied.

Sridhar Maharaja cannot be blamed for that.

He was simply trying to support what he was told was the final orders of Srila Prabhupada.

Sridhar Maharaj is involved in this, why he didn't ask for a proof of this appointment? and after that what happened with the devotees who wanted to expulse all those bogus gurus? they couldn't thanks the advice of Sridhar Maharaj? am I wrong?

What Sridhar Maharaj did after he knows the truth?

thanks

***I would like to know the truth I am not discussing***

Really I dont know why some people doens't accept Srila Prabhupada's letters, because this is the basic plataform between the guru and disciple relationship. The disciple ask intelligent question and the Guru response them, this is the essencial part of this relationship. I don't agree with `people who say that the disciple is not qualified to hear the truth so Sp gives him a fairytale o whatever you want to call it.

Why Sridhar Maharaj defended the post 1977 bogus gbc gurus?

Nice post vigraha thanks

btw who are you?

Evidence, these Prabhupada letters were never treated like that those devotees who got a letter from Prabhupada were told to hire a safe and lock it up there so that nobody else could read. Prabhupada surely never demanded that the recipients of his letters have to hide that letter from others but it was rather like receiving nectar one wants at one point to share and discuss with others. At the same time letters were mainly written because someone had a question to be answered by Prabhupada for his/her own very specific individual situation. However, Prabhupada always answered in such a way like he answered questions after a lecture. And that's the reason why almost all these letters became public, these devotees felt that the content would also benefit others. Just like when you write a letter to the editor of a magazine, your letter and written reply are published to benefit others. That's how Prabhupada saw it, coz sometimes there were letters also published in Back to Godhead magizines. If you get a letter with a very personal/confidential content you naturally wouldn't show it to others, but it was contrawise, recipients of a letter coming from Prabhupada always felt like they have to share this knowledge with others, nectar of spiritual wisdom inspiring the disciples to advance their service for their spiritual master. If you read a letter and feel that this doesnt give your situation anything, you naturally don't get into reading more distinct. But this was not the case, everybody reading the letter addressed to another devotee felt, that this is also benefits him.

I agree with you,

btw where is the webpage with the letters of Srila Prabhupada?

I know from other sources the origin of the jiva if someone wants more info write me a PM

Truly, the Internet has facilitated this "Golden Age of Quarrel". We can meet people from all over the globe and insult them from the comforts of our own homes!!

 

jajajaj que chistoso, saludos desde chile

Although none of the non-ISKCON Gaudiya Camps like Sarvabhavana for a number of reasons some of them secretly admit that his translation may be the most accurate English translation of all.

so you mean that Sarvabhavana is the most accurate?

how can i get that book?

One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. This is called diksä-vidhäna. Lord Krsna states in Bhagavad-gitä, vyapäsritya: one should accept a spiritual master. By this process the entire world can be converted to Krsna consciousness.

 

Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54 PURPORT:deal:

Srila Prabhupada was authorized by His spiritual master in a dream, not just one, two or three also Srila Prabhupada when he was goign to america in the jaladuta He saw in a dream all expansion of Krsna helping Him... something like that

Also, once I heard -maybe in a dvd- a devotee speaking about Srila Prabhupada. This devotee said that srila Prabhupada was crying and he ask him why and Srila Prabhupada said him, because I am seeing Krsna seated in that tree.

And the books have been changed. And how about translations of Jaiva Dharma from different camps. Subtle changes in words used to translate can give different meanings.

 

Only Krsna from within gives realization.

hey thanks theist now I remembered something, I am looking for the jaiva dharma book but it is said that the "gaudiya matha's version" is not as it is and there is another jaiva dharm from the translator of Caitanya Bhagavata, I don't remember his name now but Srila Prabhupada gives him the service of translation.... have you some references?

thanks

Lectures & Classes 740708AR.LA

Arrival Address

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Los Angeles, July 8, 1974

Prabhupada: So I thank you very much for your kind reception. It is necessary.

saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair

uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih

kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya

vande guroh sri-caranaravindam

This is the process, Vedic process, to receive the transcendental knowledge through the parampara system, and the reception or honor given to the spiritual master, it goes to Krsna. Spiritual master is the official collector. Just like in government there is collector. He receives the money, taxes, from the citizens, not for his personal use but for the government. Similarly, this is the Vedic system, to receive knowledge through the transparent medium, guru, and to receive... Guru means the honor goes to Krsna. So this is necessary. This is not an artificial thing, but spiritually it is necessary. Therefore we hold Vyasa-puja day.

So I am very glad to see that you are maintaining the temple standard as good as I saw when I left. That is my satisfaction. And keep this, I mean to say, situation, atmosphere, always, and follow the regulative principles, chant sixteen rounds. You'll remain always happy, because although we are in Los Angeles, we have nothing to do with the material atmosphere of Los Angeles. Therefore a devotee who lives with Krsna or in Krsna consciousness, he does not live in the material world. He always live in the spiritual world. That is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita. Mam cavyabhicarini-bhakti-yogena yah sevate: "Anyone who is engaged in bhakti-yoga with Krsna," sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate, "such person is always above these material modes of nature." Our difficulty or miserable condition of life is due to being under the material laws of nature. So it is very simple method, and you are all intelligent boys and girls in the Western country, and I am very, happy that you have taken it seriously. And continue this. You'll never be unhappy. And not only here but also, as Krsna said, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru, if you simply practice these four principle--always think of Krsna, man-mana, or become Krsna's devotees and offer Krsna obeisances and worship Krsna--these four... We are teaching these four principle in the temple, how to worship Krsna how to serve Krsna, how to become Krsna's devotee, and how to think of Krsna twenty-four hours. And if we do this, there is guarantee. Krsna says, mam eva esyasi asamsaya: "Without any doubt, you will come to Me. You will go back to home, back to Godhead."

Srila Prabhupada: Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 20.107

New York, July 13, 1976

 

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The nitya-siddha never falls victim to maya.

You have fallen victim to maya.

You are not nitya-siddha.

You are nitya-baddha.

Where Srila Prabhupada is saying that nitya siddhas never fall down?

He is saying that nitya siddha MEANS never fall down, Srila Prabhupada is not saying that nitya siddhas never fall down, He is saying nitya siddha means that never fall down because Nitya siddha means eternally liberated so when a nitya siddha fall down he becomes eternally conditioned or nitya baddha and this is relative only. This is in harmony with the letter below

Srila Prabhupada – “You are NOT eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA). You are eternally liberated (NITYA-SIDDHA) but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it appears that we are eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA)’ Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968,

is very simple for me

nitya siddha = eternally liberated

nity baddha= from time immemorial conditioned

The nitya-siddha never falls victim to maya. FALSE

You have fallen victim to maya. TRUE

You are not nitya-siddha. FALSE

You are nitya-baddha. TRUE and FALSE at the same time because at this moment my coverings are polluted but my soul is ever pure

"People want to Be Cheated"

...

This word nitya-siddha is significant. Nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. There are two kinds of living entities. Nitya-baddha means ever-conditioned. Ever-conditioned means those who are in this material world, they do not know when they came in touch with this material world. Neither they do know when they will be liberated. They are called nitya-baddha, ever-conditioned. And similarly, there are nitya-siddhas. Nitya-siddhas means they never come in contact with this material world, and even they come here for some business, they do not forget their position. That is nitya-siddha.

<center>Las personas quieren ser engañadas</center><center>Bhagavad-gita 1.13-14</center><center>Londres, 14 de julio de 1973</center>

Nitya-siddha y nitya-baddha, hay dos tipos de entidades vivientes. Nitya-baddha, significa eternamente condicionada. Eternamente condicionada significa que quienes se hallan en el mundo material, no saben cuándo entraron en contacto con el mundo material, ni saben cuándo se van a liberar, y reciben el nombre de nitya-baddhas, eternamente condicionadas. Y del mismo modo están las nitya-siddhas. Nitya-siddha, significa que nunca entran en contacto con el mundo material, y, aunque vengan aquí con alguna misión, no olvidan su posición; eso es nitya-siddhas.

Mental mushrooms growing on the cow plop of speculation.

Maybe you can cheat yourself like this, but you can't cheat me.

You don't know what you are talking about.

how you can't understand a simply thing that you are a pure soul but your coverings are polluted?

"The soul is atomic in size and can be perceived by perfect intelligence. This atomic soul is floating in the five kinds of air [prana, apana, vyana, samana and udana], is situated within the heart, and spreads its influence all over the body of the embodied living entities. When the soul is purified from the contamination of the five kinds of material air, its spiritual influence is exhibited." (Mund. 3.1.9)

Chapter 2, Verse 23.

The soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, nor can he be burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.

Chapter 2, Verse 24.

This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, all-pervading, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same.

Chapter 2, Verse 25.

It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable, immutable, and unchangeable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.

This how the sleepervadis are stupid and ignorant.

They take a personal letter to ONE disciple and then present that as being applicable to every petty soul groping through the web of illusion.

Srila Prabhupada – “You are NOT eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA). You are eternally liberated (NITYA-SIDDHA) but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it appears that we are eternally conditioned (NITYA-BADDHA)’ Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968,

all of us are nitya siddha, the souls is unchangeable eternally pure is just our material covering that are polluted, even the soul of Sadham, G bush my soul (that is myself) and other big or little demons are pure souls, because the soul can't be polluted, burned, cut in pieces, etc. Is ever pure. This is one of the most basic things in KC, that our coverings are polluted but not the soul. Srila Prabhupada explain that nitya baddha doesn't mean really eternally conditioned, without beginning. Here He is saying since time immemorial, untraceable, therefore it appears that we are eternally conditioned, but before that we were liberated souls and still we are nitya siddha in an absolute way, even if our consciousness and covering are polluted.

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Letter to Rupanuga Dasa, 3 July 1968:

"Yes, those twelve symptoms of the spiritual soul are correct, except for "all-knowing." All-knowing it cannot be, but full of knowledge."

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Mayapur morning walk, April 8, 1975: Jayadvaita: Because we see... For instance, sometimes the acarya may seem to forget something or not to know something, so from our point of view, if someone has forgotten, that is...

Prabhupada: No, no, no. Then...

Jayadvaita: ...an imperfection.

Prabhupada: That is not the... Then you do not understand. Acarya is not God, omniscient. He is servant of God. His business is to preach bhakti cult. That is acarya.

NARADA EXPERIENCES MAYA

Narada is an ancient sage who is said to have lived for thousands of years, wandering freely through all the levels of consciousness from heaven to earth.

Narada was on very intimate terms with the Lord, here in the form of Krishna, so he could ask him all kinds of questions. And while they were walking, he asked the Lord, "Sir, can you please explain to me the secret of this magic called maya?" Sri Krishna hesitated, because to understand maya is to understand the whole of life.

But Narada was utterly devoted to him, so the Lord replied, "Of course. Let's sit down here in the shade and I shall tell you everything. But first, Narada, it's terribly hot; would you get me a glass of cool water?Right away," Narada promised, and he set out across the fields. The sun beat down, and though he was a good walker, the little line of thatched cottages on the horizon that marked the nearest village seemed no closer as he strode along. The heat grew unbearable.

Narada's throat became parched, too; he began to think he would ask for two glasses of water, and drink the second himself. Finally he reached the village and ran to the nearest house. The door opened - and there stood the most beautiful girl he had ever seen. She smiled up at Narada through long, dark lashes, and something happened to him that had never happened before.

All he could do was hem and haw. Finally he blurted out, "Will you marry me?" That is the Indian way, you know; you cannot just say "What are you doing on Saturday night?" The couple settled down to a life of connubial bliss. After a while, children began to arrive.

Narada's became a very animated household. Somebody was always being bathed or dressed; there were meals to get and people to be provided for. Narada and his wife became engrossed in their private little world, quietly building their dreams. Years passed. The children grew up, went to school, got married; in time, grandchildren arrived. Narada became the patriarch of a great family, respected by the whole village; his lands stretched to the horizon.

He and his wife would look at each other fondly and say, "Don't you think being grandparents is the greatest thing on earth?" Then a great flood came. The village fields became a raging river, and before Narada's helpless eyes, everything that he loved and lived for - his lands, his cattle, his house, but especially his beloved wife and all their children and grandchildren - were swept away.

Of the entire village, only he remained. Unable to watch the destruction, Narada fell to his knees and cried for help from the very depths of his heart. "Krishna, Krishna!" At once the raging floods disappeared, and there was Sri Krishna, standing casually on the fields where they had walked what seemed so many years before.

"Narada," the Lord asked gently, "where is my glass of water?"

Can you be more specific about your question? What exactly do you disagree with?

Hi Shakti Fan

is there an example in the history of the parampara where a guru fall down?

On the other hand, we sometimes see the fall-down of a guru who is appointed as successor by his guru. If a sad-guru declares or appoints his qualified successor then it is indeed proper, and if he doesn’t., there is still no harm. The guru-parampara will continue to exist either way.

Is there an example of this in the whole parampara of pure gurus?

 

 

Curious how CBrahma ignored these two public statements made in 1977 3 years after the letter to Rupanuga.

 

They directly clear up any issue about association with Srila Sridhara Maharaja.

 

Hare Krsna

and where are the tapes? is the third time I ask this question and no one reply

who has heard them?