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A Kaula told me that Lord Shiva and Parvati, live in the trascendental world, but they came to the material world just to be the parents of Lord Ganesh. Also He said me that Lord Ganesh is an expansion of the Supreme Lord as Guru and Lord Ganesh incarnates in all planets of the universe as the son of god.

Also He told me that Lord Jesus is the same personality as Lord Ganesha, one is the elephant of God and the other the lamb of god, also both have the same symbol the cross, etc. He said me a lot of things that I don't remember right now.

Is there any scriptural reference that Lord Ganesh is an expansion of the Supreme Lord?

Our real home is Vaikuntha. But we have come here. How we have come, that is a very mysterious thing; but we are part and parcel. Somehow or other… Bhaktivinoda Thakura has sung, anadi karama phale, padi ’bhavarṇava-jale. Somehow or other we have fallen this.

Siksastakam:

"O son of Maharaja Nanda (Krsna), I am Your eternal servitor, yet somehow or other I have fallen into the ocean of birth and death. Please pick me up from this ocean of death and place me as one of the atoms at Your lotus feet."

What I do know is that most Bible thumpers call Krishna the Devil.

You judge a book by it's fruits.

The Bible has produced some of the most envious, blasphemous offenders of Krishna on the face of the Earth.

 

Christians aren't respectful or considerate of the Vaishnava culture and religion.

They are products of the Bible.

The Bible people are the most envious, hateful and offensive people on Earth.

 

I spent years preaching Hare Krishna on the streets of America.

I know what these Bible thumpers are all about.

 

I have no use for them.

Being kind and respectful is useless.

 

As soon as you mention Krishna they turn into demons.

As long as you bend over and take it from them they are nice.

As soon as you mention Krishna they become hostile.

 

Demons.

Just demons.

That is all I see.

The problem is not the scripture, the problem are the religions. Modern Christians are not the product of the bible are the product of the religions. They don't follow the comandments, they kill, robe, say lies... the religions are contaminated by the western way of life. The pope take seat in a golden throne and preach humility, they say that they are poor and have banks, they wear expensive cloths. where the bible teach such things?

so the so-called Christian are not christian at all, it is hipocrecy, they don't follow their scriptures, even they don't read them. The religion are created by the human beings not God, God reveals scriptures according time place and circumstances and then some people create an interpretation then all blind sheeps follow them.

If you have the "original", why would you need to "correct" anything? You'd just reprint the original (in violation of the BBT's copyright, most likely) wouldn't you?

 

If you *don't* have the "original", then how do you know your "corrections" indeed restore the work to its original state?

Hare Krsna

In spanish there aren't original books and many devotees are interested in which are the changes, also I am making a website about this in spanish.

I have the Bhagavad gita and Srima Bhagavatam original versions in english also the old vedabase... So I have just to compare both and correct the changes.

BBT has nothing to do here,

anyway I am not working with them and I don't care if they like this or not, Krsna books has the licences to distribute pre 1978 Srila Prabhupada's books and I have talked with them about this issue, so if Krsna wants all be in a legal way later,,,

Whom To Follow And How Much To Follow Them <hr> <table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="203"> <tbody><tr> <td> Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja

</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Granada, Spain: June 24, 2003 Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja:

One thing more – if you want to develop your Krsna consciousness, don't try to show off your bhakti to others. Keep it like camphor in your heart. If burning camphor is kept in a closed room, its fragrance increases. If kept in an open doorway it evaporates.

Be like Bharata Maharaja, who never told anyone about his advancement in devotion. Only out of mercy he spoke to Rahugana, and not to others, for he was hiding his wealth. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu prayed, "Na prema-gandho 'sti darapi me harau. – I have not a trace, or even a shadow, of prema – I have nothing." If someone would ask Him, "Then why You are weeping?" He would reply, "I am weeping so that all will praise Me. If a fish is taken out of water, she dies at once, in a moment. But as far as I am concerned, I am not meeting with Krsna, and I am tolerating the separation. So how can I say I have prema?"

Srila Narottama Thakura has written in Prema Bhakti Candrika (verse 9), "Apana bhajana-katha, na kahiba jatha tatha. Don't tell anyone, 'I have seen Krsna in my dream. I have realized Krsna. Sometimes I weep bitterly for Krsna. I chant sixty-four rounds of harinama.' Or 'I can speak very nicely; better than anyone.' You must hide everything – if you want to develop your Krsna-prema."

Thanks Shakti Fan, I apreciate very much your post, I will follow the instruction of Srila Narottama Thakura. I used to ask my self should I said this or that or not? Once I told to my Mom and she was not happy since that time I never said such things to people who are karmis or people who knows me, is very delicate, because people who has never experienced this get envious, angry or disappointed, this is a powerful reason to not to say this things. I said such thing not to boast my spiritual life just to say, is real, works, like a testimony, if someone didnt like my post well I am taking it as a warning from Krsna to not to say it again, but somtimes I want to reveal and share this to others, like a child that has discovered something wonderful and wants that all people knows that. thats all thanks

Oh, so you are a sahajiya to boast about things in public?

Now I understand.

 

Only a fool would say such things in public.

 

Go back to your fairytale dream that you are in Goloka playing with Krishna.

Sorry I bothered you in all your ecstacy.

 

It's nice that you come out of trance long enough to post in the forum.

As you, I get very happy when someone is advancing in Krsna conciousness!, why should I not say these things openly? anyway no one knows me here. Is just to show that Krsna conciousness works.

But I know the reason but I dont want to say because is very clear.

But, of course this is what you have learned from your neophyte ISKCON guru.

I am not from Iskcon, I am not an initiated devote by a so called guru from iskcon or gaudiya math, I just read Prabhupada's books chant Hare Krsna and feel the bliss from chanting the maha mantra. Sometimes I cry or laugh or get stunned and fell that a nectar of love flow trhu my body from the heart, sometimes the emotion are so powerfull that I can't check them and are liberated in ecstatics dreams or in a kirtan. Some devotes thinks that I am mad some thinks that I have ghosts whatever... sometimes I don't like to express such emotions but sometimes is out of my control.

I have attain such state reading Srila prabhupadas books, exactly, reading with faith the pastimes of the Lord and chanting with faith. I rememebr the first times I read Srila Prabhupadas books was something so wonderful and the first kirtans that I see in the street attracted me like a magnet...

So, Srila Prabhupada is my Guru, my material life is ever worst so I have no material qualification for being proud. Every time I try to do something not conected with Krsna He disappear and I get mad and I can do nothing at all because I have no other refuge, not money, no material qualifications. I think that is the mercy of Krsna and then He comes again to my heart and I can't control my happiness.

So if soemone is really sincere or trying to be sincer or just desiring to be or just recognize sorry Krsna I am not sincere but I would like to d sometyhing for you Krsna will send him a genuine guru and will give to that soul instructions from within. When I read Srila Prabhupadas books he is living in his books, so when I read Srila Prabhupada's instructions about his godbrothers or whatever I take them seriously.

Hare Krsna!

Just what we need, more "corrections."

 

Well, if it's what the Lord wants...

back to original, do you know how to read?

As it is???? Or as they were mistranscribed (or is that only a claim of yours when you don't like the transcription), misheard, misrepresented? Do you trust your faulty senses so much?

 

You don't *know* what the words of Srila Prabhupada were. Even the words in his books are not *directly* his!!

 

Bull-crap!!!!!

 

As with everything, one must capture the *spirit* of Srila Prabhupada if one wishes to faithfully follow him.

 

Who has captured Srila Prabhupada's spirit? His closest associates! Do you know who those associates are?

you are talking nonsense...

closest asociates? the eleven ones?, Sridhar Maharaj, Narayan Maharaj?, are you kidding me? do you know what are you talking about??

OMG!

Printing books.

very soon I will start to revise the revised version of the prabhupada' books and correct them to the original in spanish and I will start to distribute them.

Anyone here knows how to make homemade books?

you would not know what transpired in GM at that time because you chose to accept the twisted lies and half truths fed to you through the Iskcon propaganda machine. the attitude you people picked up towards SP godbrothers makes Vaishnavas cringe with horror and disgust.

sorry but the history is in my favor, I have accepted the words of Srila Prabhupada as it is

"Despite the spiritual master's order to form a governing body and execute the missionary activities of the Gaudiya Matha, the two unauthorized factions began litigation that is still going on after forty years with no decision. Therefore, we do not belong to any faction. But because the two parties, busy dividing the material assets of the Gaudiya Matha institution, stopped the preaching work, we took up the mission of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and Bhaktivinoda Thakura to preach the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu all over the world, under the protection of all the predecessor acaryas, and we find that our humble attempt has been successful". (C.C Adi 12.8)

Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami, at the time of his passing away, ordered all his disciples to work conjointly to preach the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu all over the world. Later, however, some self-interested, foolish disciples disobeyed his orders. Each one of them wanted to become head of the mission, and they fought in the courts, neglecting the order of the spiritual master, and the entire mission was defeated. We are not proud of this; however, the truth must be explained. We believed in the words of our spiritual master and started in a humble way --in a helpless way-- but due to the spiritual force of the order of the supreme authority, this movement has become successful." (C.C Adi Lila 7.95-96)

The proof that Srila Prabhupada indeed recommended his disciples to get philisophical guidance from Srila Sridhar Maharaj is the fact that the whole GBC went to his matha just months after Prabhupada's tirobhava. Read or listen to those conversations and you will see many leading men at the time like Jayapataka Maharaj, TKG and Bhakti Caru Swami confirming that Prabhupada asked them to come.

yeah sure, then Sridhar Maharaj say them you are gurus now and He made the same mistake in gaudiya math after the departure of Srila Bahktisidhanta Sarasvati

That would mean that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta did not appoint Prabhupada as a guru. Thus he is a self appointed guru just like the 11 SP "did not appoint". This is the "appointment" philosophy you are peddling... Actually, this is just a disappointment..

 

Wake up, smell the cowdung, come back when you are thinking straight.

WRONG! Kulapavana you should read some history

"So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected."

Srila Bhaktissidanta never appointed a guru, hE said that make a goberning body and from there a self effulgent acarya will be selected, Srila Prabhupada's godbrothers disobeyed this order and started to vote for gurus. anyway the self effulget acarya is Srila Prabhupada because he never disobeyed his spiritual master and his master autorized Srila Prabhupada to preach in occident. Also his spiritual master say him in a dream to go and preach in occident, taht means that he has the blesing of his spiritual master

Prabhupada Said:

Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya.

You keep forgetting that it was Srila Prabhupada alone who made them to be the leaders. These were some of his closest, chosen associates. He had every opportunity to pick the people he wanted for that job. He chose them because he had faith in them. Some indeed have been very questionable choices and ultimately proven themselves to be a huge disappointment. Yet at the time SP placed the helm of his Iskcon in their hands.

 

The instruction to go to Sridhara Maharaja for philosophical counsel as presented above is confirmed by a lot of devotees who were around SP at that time. Very few people doubt it is legitimate. And for a short time GBC was consulting with SM and tapes of these consultations do exist. Yet nowadays it is fashionable to simply say "Everything is in his books, just keep reading..."

Srila Prabhupada never appointed gurus, all the elven are self appointed and the tape about Sridhar maharaj is a myth. Srila Prabhupada in tons of letters talks about his godbrothers.

Srila Prabhupada made the same as his spiritual master NEVER appointed a guru.

"Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.

From what I have heard (devotees who actually were around SP during that time period) there definitely was a tape - almost everything was taped at that time. But a LOT of tapes from that time period are AWOL. There are rumors as to who might have taken posession of them but no public record.

so there is no tape, no one have heard that tape.

Hansadutta Das, Tamal Krsna goswami have said that they were appointed gurus by SP and never provided a proof

"In my absence, if you have any question regarding philosophy you may consult my Godbrother, Swami B.R. Sridhara Maharaja at Navadwipa"

Bhaktivedanta Swami, Room conversation with disciples (Tamala Krsna Goswami, Hansadutta Dasa, Swami B. V. Tripurari & others), Vrndavana, India, October 1977.

is there a tape?

SP instructed his disciples to take shelter of Sridhara Maharaja on philosophical matters. That instruction has been completely ignored by most of his disciples. Like you said, these offensive neophytes have polluted Prabhupada's movement with their arrogance and ignorance.

this is completely false provide us a quote where Srila Prabhupada say this

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Free will of the jiva is actually an illusion.

We don't have freedom to accept or reject death.

Death comes whether we choose it or not.

The conditioned jiva does not have free will to choose old age, disease, birth or death.

We have no choice in those matters.

 

Really, the idea of the free will of the jiva is actually a fraud conception as the free will of the jiva is so irrelevant that it is negligible.

 

Free will?

Just another fairytale.

Krishna influences the jiva to fall into maya.

It is not really a choice.

 

Chapter 9: Answers by Citing the Lord's VersionBhaktivedanta VedaBase: Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.9.1

 

 

 

Krishna is the supreme controller.

We have no free will really.

Krishna inspires the soul towards maya or towards devotional service according to his sweet will.

We are just puppets waiting for the Puppetmaster to decide what he wants to do with us.

 

The free will theory is a hoax.

Not a blade of grass moves without the will of God.

We didn't come to this material world except by the will of Krishna - The Supreme Controller.

We control NOTHING.

If that is his sweet decision, How will be his bitter decision, haha

This topic is not about me.

Don't change the subject.

Before you go to critcise then you must first put your whole life up for scrutiny to show that you are in the position to condescend upon others.

 

If you can prove you are faultless, then I will accept your criticism.

Otherwise, let's stick to the topic at hand and not get all up into each other's backside.

actually, the only truly free choice of direction is possible in brahmajyoti, because you have no experience of either side, thus you are not influenced, or biased in your decision.

NO! I never smashed my toe with the hammer and I still know it WILL cause me pain. It is called KNOWLEDGE, as opposed to IGNORANCE, or MAYA.

 

You dont have to EXPERIENCE something to KNOW it. That is a real knowledge.

Free will is only abused by the mentally deranged and ignorant.

Since the liberated souls are not mentally deranged or ignorant there is no possibility of choosing to leave the unlimted nectarean bliss of Goloka to become a worm in stool.

 

The even insinuate that liberated, perfected, self-realized souls at some point misuse their free will and choose to leave the loving service of Krishna is an asinine idea that completely contradicts everything that shastra says about the perfection of the liberated devotees in Goloka.

haha sometimes my right eye flicker heavy. I was afraid maybe it was a kind of parkinson. sometimes I see sparks of light like colorful worms, what does mean?

The Lord grants us our free will, it is not an "inalienable right". The Lord can remove our free will just as easily because the Lord is Absolute. There are no restrictions whatsoever on the Lord.

 

So, to say "Krsna can't do nothing" is to reveal a clear theological misconception. Sri Krishna can do *anything*.

 

When you say:

 

 

 

you are actually *denying* our free will, aren't you? If the Lord knows when we will surrender then just how free are we?

 

When you say "...He knows that He will attain..." why is that second "He" capitalized? Are you saying the jiva-soul is God?

 

Much confusion.