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Hare Krsna! Well I think that there is a very important point that almost all people forget: the difference between religion and scriptures. As far as I know religions and scriptures are not the same. I understand that holy scriptures are revealed by god (directly spoken by him, inspired, etc.) and religion are made by humans to understand them. So sometimes people blame god or his devote but the fault is not of them at all. For example in this case Lord Jesuchrist never founded the Catholic church or a religion and people blame god and or jesus for all atrocities made by the Catholic church. Is a fact that Catholic church was created 500 or 300 years after by Constanino. And before there was a christian parampara from Lord Jesuchrist to the apostles and so on... If you read the bible you could see that these people spiritually were very powerful by the grace of god, sadly they were persecuted oppressed, killed, as all genuine servants of god in this case by the romans.... please read the San Francisco de asis biography, there you can read a true devote of Lord Jesus, you could see there that there is no diference between a pure devote of the Lord, all divine qualities are manifested on him. A lot of devotees who has read this biorgaphy thinks that San francisco de asis life and behavior are not diferent from Vedic great yoguis or saints. Personally when I read some excerpt of his biography I remembered the most merciful incarnation of the Lord and as Devote of himself, Sri Caitanya. In conclusion: Vedic scriptures are given until today by the parampara system, that is not religion, is the genuine way, knowledge is passed from spiritual master to disciple and there are 4 sampradayas with so many branches. In Christian history there is also a parampara system from the beginning, but from the Catholic religion I don't know what happened to that parampara... also it is said that catholic church has changed many verses in the bible and knowledge about reincarnation and other matters. Time Place and Circumnstances, you should not expect the same knowledge as vedas, Israel people were ignorant and very rebellious, They used to kill their prophets, seers, in fact they killed Lord Jesuchrist himself! if you read the bible you will see blood and war from the beginning till the end. on the contrary Indian people has been very peaceful and spiritual in all his history and vedas has 3000 more years than Christianity, moreover the vedas are eternal, just were compiled 5000 years ago. All avatar of God has an intention and it depends in time place and circunstance, it is said that too much light blind the eyes. Personally I think that Prabhupada is a saktyavesa avatar and he comes to the western world at the propitious time and circumnstances. I think that if he could come before, maybe 200 years ago, he would be burned by the inquisition. similarly Jesuchrist came in a propitious time 2000 years ago, the same for Buda, sankaracarya (lord siva avatar?) and son on... Hare Krsna

As prabhupada used to say, If you don't love Krsna, you don't love Jesus and vice versa. Also said that Krsna is not and hindu God, He can descend whatever he wants (also his expansions, pure devotes,etc.). Jesus is a pure devote and a representative of the Lord, is a saktyavesa avatar, so is not diferent from Krsna, because He is imbested with the power of God, he is his representative, and all he did is the will of his Father. You can read that when Jesuchrist was baptized. there we can heard: 9And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Jesuchrist is the Diksa Guru of Christians, that means if you want to follow that path you must take shelter in Him, follow his instruccions, etc. for that reason Jesuchrist said the only way to the father is me, Jesuchrist descent by the will of God, He is not acting whimsically. Is not possible to love Krsna if you don't love Jesus or refuse him or when you heard his name get angry, no, as prabhupada said he is the topmost Devote of Krsna. He sacrifice himself to spread god consciousness, the will of god. He made miracles, He heal ill people, He expeled demons, He was sinless, He resurrected, this is external but is important, Is more important his instructions and teachings. Can you read the Prabhupada's mind? Do you think that his words are not straightforward? Sorry but I think that you should not compare Jesus with Prabhupada's God brothers. Prabhupada said that his godbrothers are several offenders of Bhaktishidanta Sarasvati. You should read the gaudiya math history. Hare Krsna!

Now I understand why the bible says that astrology is forbidden for them. I fact that people had the influence of the demoniac egyptian civilization. I think that is the same about Idol worship, Jehovah forbidde to his flock to worship idols because Idol worship of pagan people were addressed to demoniac idols, they often used to sacrifice her owns childrend and so on. Time place and circumstances

Today the world is ruled by bogus kshatryas (materialistics leaders and armies) bogus brahmanas (institutionalized religions who don't follow their scriptures) and Bogus vaishyas (businessmen, merchants, etc), all of them are linked and working together for their own aims, and sadly we the sudras are the exploited and oppressed. The kaliyugic history is ever the same.

Capitalisms is a demoniac system of life, not divine, there is no such thing in the scriptures. Spiritual Communism is the way all centered in God

With hard work I mean honest work. You can work hard bodily or mentally. ask to our leaders if they get their riches with honest work, mostly all merchants and politicians never get their riches by honest means, you have to cheat, thieve, kill or exploit, that is not intelligence is astuteness. Krsna in the bhagavad gita is exposing all these people. The demoniac, taking shelter of insatiable lust, pride and false prestige, and being thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent. They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus there is no end to their anxiety. Being bound by hundreds and thousands of desires, by lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification. The demoniac person thinks: "So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice." In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance.

Krsna is the Perfect Communist. all in common. all centered in HIM all are his possessions and He is the Suprem Controller. In vayu purana it said that varnasramadharma was created by Lord Brahma after satyayuga because people started to fight each other for material possessions. (In satya yuga there is no "this is mine, or I am this body" all is in common, all are realized soulsand all is shared in common, there is no selfishness) Marx said: Religion is the opium of the people. Krsna said: Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.

They (we) are exploited thanks to our demoniacs leaders pseudo-kshatryas, this is a fact. Is this our karma? I think that the answer is in the Vedic literature. we should take the example of Mother Earth in the tenth canto and others pastimes like from Lord Parasurama in srimad bhagavatam. She was suffering and meet Lord Brahma for help, later Vishnu said that He will descend to the Earth, at least Lord Vishnu never said her, sorry but is their karma. It is said in the scriptures that demonds incarnate in the earth as leaders often and The Lord has to descend to stop them, this world is not a patala loka, so personally I think that not all is our karma. Leaders have the responsability to follow the scriptures injunctions and to protect all people, it is said in the srimad bhagavatam that a good king absorbe a large portion of good karma of all his population and if the king is corrupt and make suffer his subjects, a large portion of the bad karma of the subjects is transfered to the King. First, How that family get the riches? If that family got the riches by ilicit ways and/or are atheist or demoniac by nature so their progeny will not be very spiritual, I mean this is not a really good karma, often people with demoniac minds are attracted to riches, luxury and so on. Personally I have a cousin that is very wealthy, she is from india and they get their riches working very hard. I show her Krsna Consciousness and now is a wonderful devote. Karma is very complex, at least in riches families people is not sufering for hunger or are not concerned with that things. Is very important to have that basic things to progress in spiritual life. In third world countries people is very worried to stay alive and have little time for spiritual understanding, all this thanks to our leaders. Once an owner of an industry said "I you want to get rich, Don't work, let that others work for you, that is the secret."

well, I found this a commentary by Ramanuja explaining that verse 2.20 As the self is eternal for the reasons mentioned (above), and hence free from modifications, it is said that all the attributes of the insentient (body) like birth, death etc., never touch the self. In this connection, as the statement, 'It is never born, It never dies' is in the present tense, it should be understood that the birth and death which are experienced by all in all bodies, do not touch the self. The statement 'Having come into being once, It never ceases to be' means that this self, having emerged at the beginning of a Kalpa (one aeon of manifestation) will not cease to be at the end of the Kalpa (i.e., will emerge again at the beginning of the next Kalpa unless It is liberated). This is the meaning --- that birth at the beginning of a Kalpa in bodies such as those of Brahman and others, and death at the end of a Kalpa as stated in the scriptures, do not touch the self. Hence, the selves in all bodies, are unborn, and therefore eternal. It is abiding, not connected, like matter, with invisible modifications taking place. It is primeval; the meaning is that It existed from time immemorial; It is even new i.e., It is capable of being experienced always as fresh. Therefore, when the body is slain the self is not slain.

no, when you posted I was writting that post. So that means that there are a limited number of jivas? they are innumerable but has a limit, because there is no creation or manifestation of new souls... Now I remember... I have read that there is a unlimited number if jivas and that amount is ever increasing, maybe in Caitanya Caritamrita... I will try to quote

with spiritual birth I mean that the soul has his origin in the spiritual world, but there was a time when that particular soul never existed before and come to being as spiritual soul and by the mercy of the lord was manifested or created. But all these manifestation where in the spiritual realm. All devotees know that the soul has no material birth, but for me that bhagavad gita verse is saying the soul has a spiritual creation.

I have a question about the soul, Krsna says in Bhagavad Gita: "For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (Bg 2.21) "Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be." for me that means that the soul has a spiritual birth and after that is ever-existing, inmortal, unchangeable and so on..... I don't read in english very well, but I think that Krsna is saying that when I make a translation, comments will be appreciated Hare Krsna

Birth: 26-12-1984 Time: 9:10 AM Country: Chile City: Arica Sex: Male A vedic astrologer said me that I will attain spiritual knowledge in this incarnation and Rahu and Ketu have a big influence in my life, In fact I am like an invalid man for the last 3 years and people thinks that I am becoming mad.... Please I need some Advise many thanks