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Let the whole world witness the real unity of the United States of America! I've posted it on `Spiritual Discussions` because I see in all this the indestructible spiritual strength of the greatest nation on this planet. God bless you all!!! An email from Charles Brennan, 18 year old An open letter to a terrorist: Well, you hit the World Trade Center, but you missed America. You hit the Pentagon, but you missed America. You used helpless American bodies, to take out other American bodies, but like a poor marksman, you STILL missed America. Why? Because of something you guys will never understand. America isn’t about a building or two, not about financial centers, not about military centers, America isn’t about a place, America isn’t even about a bunch of bodies. America is about an IDEA. An idea, that you can go someplace where you can earn as much as you can figure out how to, live for the most part, like you envisioned living, and pursue Happiness. (No guarantees that you’ll reach it, but you can sure try!). Go ahead and whine your terrorist whine, and chant your terrorist litany: “If you can not see my point, then feel my pain.” This concept is alien to Americans. We live in a country where we don’t have to see your point. But you’re free to have one. We don’t have to listen to your speech. But you’re free to SAY one. Don’t know where you got the strange idea that everyone has to agree with you. We don’t agree with each other in this country, almost as a matter of pride. We’re a collection of guys that don’t agree, called States. We united our individual states to protect ourselves from tyranny in the world. Another idea, we made up on the spot. You CAN make it up as you go, when it’s your country. You guys seen to be incapable of understanding that we don’t live in America, America live in US! American spirit is what it’s called. And killing a few thousand of us, or a few million of us, won’t change it. Most of the time, it’s a pretty happy-go-lucky kind of Spirit. Until we’re crossed in a cowardly manner, then it becomes an entirely different kind of Spirit. Wait until you see what we do with that Spirit, this time. Sleep tight, if you can. We’re coming. Charles Brennan ------- I think this pretty much sums up the American point of view. The Reluctant Messenger ------- The world's religions and science are pieces to a puzzle that need one another to achieve a complete picture. http://www.reluctant-messenger.com/main.htm ------------------ amanpeter@hotmail.com

I, too, have thought deeply about these points. As long as ISKCON can use us to bolster or authenticate their leadership and present policies, we're welcome. However, appreciating us as individuals, able to offer uniquely valuable contributions, is for the most part impossible within the organization as a whole. As those who were actually present with Srila Prabhupada, we are seen to be a potential threat to those who would misrepresent his intentions for their own purposes. Here in ISKCON Toronto I see how my realizations and experience are needed, but because I could never fit in `politically`, my personal input at every level is subtly discouraged. Don't fret, prabhu. We'll soon be back to serve Mahaprabu in new impoved bodies! Watch out ISKCON!!! Peter/valaya ------------------ amanpeter@hotmail.com

RIGHT ON!

Sounds like you belong in Canada, Tarun prabhu! Got a nice little furnished apartment by the University of Toronto, right downtown. American and Canadian sattelilite T.V. are included along with lots of vaisnava books. The Communist Party of Canada headquarters is only a couple of blocks away, as is the United States Consulate. Perfect for left-wing commie pinko intellectuals to picket! My street is full of outdoor cafes and cheap international restaurants where you could find many to appreciate your particular brand of wit, without confusing it with `twit! Please let me know if you'd like to trade places for awhile. Another miserable dark slushy winter is approaching, but an advanced devotee such as yourself surely won't be concerned by that. You must be anxious to leave all the capitalist sense gratification in Florida. I'd be happy to help! Peter/valaya p.s. This offer is also open to any other American devotees who may not appreciate the blessing of American citizenship and residence in the greatest country in the world. ------------------ amanpeter@hotmail.com [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 09-15-2001).]

Rats! I thought it was 50!

They shouldin' of shot up old Buddha like that...

Try it on yourself?

Only in an impersonal sense. The key is to try and grasp the concept of intimacy. This can be understood, to some extent, through our own most personal relationships.

Right! Enough fearful speculation already. Thread closed!

Right! Enough fearful speculation already. Thread closed!

The beginning of the end..."Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!"

LOL! That would be Ms. Walking Lust, wouldn't it? I agree with your interpretation of the VNN thread, JRdd. Frustration does seem to be an important factor, especially with some of us trying to come to grips with middle-aged bodies. One householder `brahmacari-wannabe` in particular was a major instigator, in my opinion. Wonder where he is now? Maybe one of those `gypsy ladies` he was so concerned with finally plucked him off the street, while he was innocently engaged in the Lord's work!

Prabhu, that thread was already on Vnn and it went into, I think, six pages just before the entire forum shut down! Whether there was a cause and effect relationship , we do not know, but it certainly caused a major and very bitter battle, including a split between many of the men and women. Some of our relationships here may still be tinged by that brouhaha. Is there really anything more to be said by anyone on this particular subject that has not already been discussed several times over? Peter/valaya [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 09-13-2001).]

Now that's one prediction I can test! Uh, you did mean on this thread only, I hope... [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 09-14-2001).]

Now that's one prediction I can test! Uh, you did mean on this thread only, I hope... [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 09-14-2001).]

Prabhu, we may be willing to risk our own lives, but these `people` are completely callous. What if they were holding that knife to a young child's throat? What if your brave foolhardiness resulted in the painful deaths of several others, right in front of your eyes? There is much more to consider than anyone who has not been there, or specifically trained in such situations, could begin to imagine. Sorry to say, the solutions if any are not so simplistic.

Can anyone predict the end of this thread which has nothing to do with Spiritual Discussions!

Can anyone predict the end of this thread which has nothing to do with Spiritual Discussions!

`What's Wrong With Homosexuality?` Well, for one thing, it sucks participants into something which can never reach any mutually satisfying, fruitful conclusion. It just goes on and on, back and forth, similar to this thread itself. There really is no end except to pull out, prabhus...all points have already been made several times by both sides. Why continue to poke at each other in such an obviously unproductive effort?

RE: Alfred E. Suggest large flower in left hand, possibly baseball cap with happy face button.

I like it! Only make it a huge beadbag with his left, instead of his right, hand in it and `what me worry` on his t-shirt. Also, wearing a dhoti and sandals! Now should he be shaved up or with long hippie hair?

Don't forget His girlfriend... [This message has been edited by amanpeter (edited 09-13-2001).]

Mine was for chanting. Of course, if Danavir prabhu hadn't stuck his kartals right in that cop's face immediately after he'd warned us to stop with the "ching! ching! ching!"...

No, that is called giving up, as in "What can I do?". What would you expect Srila Prabhupada to say when `disciples` kept pestering him to condone what he'd already said was wrong? Throwing up one's hands should not be taken as throwing in the towel! valaya

Thank you for clearing that up, prabhus.