Sephiroth

by princeofpeace

2. Qur'an permits Muslims to have non-vegetarian food

The Qur'an, however permits a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food. The following Qur'anic verses are proof of this fact:

 

"O ye who believe! Fulfil (all) obligations. Lawful unto you (for food) are all four-footed animals with the exceptions named." [Al-Qur'an 5:1]

 

"And cattle Hehas created for you (men): from them Ye derive warmth, and numerous benefits, And of their (meat) ye eat." [Al-Qur'an 16:5]

 

"And in cattle (too) ye have an instructive example: From within their bodies We produce (milk) for you to drink; there are, in them, (besides), numerous (other) benefits for you; and of their (meat) ye eat." [Al-Qur'an 23:21]

Er ... Maybe I didn't read properly but could someone show me WHERE did Muslims' Allah allows non-vegetarian food for Muslims?

All the verses above seems to show that animals are for consumptions (meat) only, which contradicts with PrinceofPeace's statement that their Allah permits non-Vegetarian diet.

Humans evolved from animals, so it's possible that humans are 'built' to eat animal flesh.

You do know that there are two types of animals in the World, don't you?

There are Herbivores (plant eaters) and Carnivores (meat eaters). Humans evolved in the same family members as the Chimps and Great Apes (which human link separated from them about over 5 million years ago). This family are Omnivores - eating both meat and plants. However, most Great Apes, Chimps and humans are plant eaters - eat meat ONLY WHEN FOOD WAS SCARCE.

In today's technology and Science, it is possible for humans to abandon completely the meat-eating traditions and take solely vegetarian food. And it is good for the body and mind too.

Dear brothers and sisters,

 

I found this as well on youtube and would like to hear what vaishanavas have to say.

 

 

 

p/s: sorry wrong link was pasted here earlier.. i've chnaged the URL!

 

regards,

hare krishna

Human Body was built to eat animals? No one can be MORE WRONG in this statement. It shows that Muslims (nor Islam) knows anything about how Humanity have developed and become Civilised.

Human race for over 200,000 years have been living as Hunter-Gatherers. Which means that they have hunted wild animals and gathered food. While they were like today's humans (in appearances), they were nothing like us. They were more like the Varnaras in Ramayana.

Human Civilisation began about 10,000 B.C. When humanity started to become into farming communities along the major rivers around the World - like the Nile, Ganges, Yellow River - China and such.

ONLY after humanity have started to become farmers, did small communities banded together to become states and nations. Only after this changes, did humans started to created Art, Writing, Music and so much more. Yes, we did have herd animals for meat, but those were only a small handful. In India, cows are herded as labor force rather than for meat.

Humanity may have started as Hunters (meat-eaters), but we have changed and become better by becoming Farmers.

So, Islam is WRONG if state that human body was created for eating meat. IF Islam was religion of God, it should know how the Human race have changed for the past few thousand years and how they become civilised.

... Jesus as the story goes prayed for his enemies and said forgive them father for they know not what they do.

And that is all there is about Jesus - a STORY. Nothing else.

If you people want to believe in a story, fine.

Lets find out what an all knowing personality has to say-

 

Sri Ramakrishna : "Ah-the jnanis,they want to become sugar..but the bhaktas,they want to taste sugar-how sweet it is."

All-Knowing?

Only God is All-knowing and your Ramakrishna certain ain't no god.

Still, there is no harm believing that Jesus of New Testament is a historical person. It is a positive and a heart warming story, just like the one about Santa Claus. I like the Santa Claus story better, because no religious wars were ever waged in his name.

Do you know what "historical" means? It means that somewhere in the past, that event or person was real.

So how is it that you can say that Jesus was a historical person when there is no evidence whatsoever that such person have existed?

The difference between Santa Claus and Jesus is that, Santa Claus do not damn each and every one who didn't believe in them and allowed his followers to wage war for others' disbelief.

Believing in a LIE IS DANGEROUS.

1960s was an Era of Love and Peace? Right ... now I know this guys are into drugs.

1960s was an era of chaos. US was in war in Vietnam and in Korea, plus it was having Cold War with the Soviets. Matter a fact, the World was one step closer to Armageddon during Cuban Missile Crisis - 1962 (if not mistaken).

Youngsters were doing drugs and indulging in free sex with motto such as "Make Love and not War." Matter a fact, the trend of having premarital sex which still lingers in US and Europe started in the 60s. This went on to produce AIDS/HIV in 1980s.

In Asia (especially India), foolish youngsters get influence with this sort of "fast and furious" lifestyle and lost their ways. Even in Japan where tradition and values are looked highly, the society was still influence by these barbaric customs.

Designer drugs came into the market with the invention of LSD by a so-called Scientists in Manhattan (forgot his name). From that point onwards, others started to design their own drugs and flood the market.

Wrong.

These people need to be saved from this Jesus nonsense so that maybe they will be free to understand the transcendental nature of God.

Just concentrate in India. In Europe and US, Christianity is dying. In another 100 years, it is possible that Christianity could be wiped out of existence in Europe and US.

That is why Romans (Vaticans) are so eager to sell this nonsense to India and China (which has majority of non-believers in Asia). They need a new foothold to ensure that the Christianity doesn't die away.

I find the following in bible(Nt) to support what jeffster said in post 14

 

Matthew 15:24: "But he [Jesus] answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The House of Israel was not lost, it never was. Judaism was a well-managed and organised religion, first of its kind in the Middle-East. But it has one flaw - outsiders (gentiles as they are called) were not allowed to follow Judaism. One can convert into Judaism but he have to circumstate and observe his life as a Jew.

Romans at that time were worshipping Zeus as primary god of Rom, but many have started to turn toward Judaism which offered a better explaination and laws than Roman gods. Rom feared that if this kept going, the Jews could have taken over the Roman empire without a single bloodshed. It was a new type of war for them, one that they never anticipate or fought before.

What did they do? Simple ... they "created" their own religion by borrowing Judaism but still able to bind the Romans to their gods. They created Jesus asa son of a god (Zeus), killed him off in name of sacrificing the son for the sins of Mankind and hook the Romans into it.

And that is how Christianity have come to exist. Probably World's first Man-Made Religion.

Without doubt the most stupid statement I have read in decades.

 

Krishna got Himself killed so by your 'logic' He is not Divine.

Dumb...very dumb.

Krishna was at end of His Physical Life, and He needed someone to release Him from His physical Body. He actually BLESSED the hunter who shoot him (by accident) when the hunter, seeing his mistake fell to his knees and begged for forgiveness.

He did not get Himself killed and end up cursing anyone like what Jesus did. You can clearly see the different mentality of a Divine Being and a Stupid Being here.

Re: John 14:6, when Jesus said that he was the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the father except through him, I take it in the context that he was very likely the most realized personality in Israel at that time, and that in acting in the capacity of guru to his "flock" (congregation), he was suggesting that he could take members of his congregation back to the kingdom of God. I don't feel that he was saying that he was the only guru for all time and circumstances, but he was the only guru available to those people in that place at that time. We will likely never know his exact meaning.

jeffster/AMd

Actually he (supposedly) said that he was the ONLY WAY to God at that time and all others who claims to speak in behalf of God, are false.

Christians believed this for the past 2,000 years and when Muhammad came to power, he repeated the same thing - that he and he alone was the Prophet of Allah and there will not be anymore prophets after him. And that the only way to god was through Islam.

This two jokers have managed to fool the human race into cutting themselves off from God for the past 2,000 years.

When people stop believing that they could communicate with God through Spiritual Practice (like what Hindu sages have been doing for the past 5,000 years), then they will become close-minded. And once that happens, no matter how loud God speaks to Man, Man will simply ignore it.

We should not judge others so that we ourselves won`t be judged. Calling Sri Kalki Bhagavan and his followers worse than murderers is slander. Lovers of God would see you as one of the mob who wanted the same to Jesus. That he be crucified on the cross.

The fact that Jesus got himself killed shows that he wasn't anything divine, did he?

In Mahabratha as well as the Old Testament, God shown to prevails against everything but in the New Testament, their god shown to be killed off by humans. This alone should teach humans that Jesus was not a god nor is any fools who claims himself to be Bhagavan.

Fools nowadays are bold - they do not care or fear that they are damning themselves by claiming to be gods. First Jesus, then Muhammad and this "sickness" continued to the present day as more and more "Bhavagans" appearing here and there.

When God comes, WE WILL KNOW. He doesn't have to claim anything, in our hearts, WE WILL KNOW. THAT IS GOD.

Sonic Yogi :

The Old Testament derived from the Torah is hundreds or thousands of years older than the New Testament which contains a number of gospels written by different authors over hundreds of years.

Should be around 1,000 years before Jesus - when Moses took his people out of Egypt and went to Israel. First teaching to Jews were the Ten Commandments which become the basic for Judaism.

If Jesus is the only way, then what value did "God" in the Old Testament have?

What value should Jesus have to God of the Old Testament? Jesus have nothing to do with Judaism, as much as Christians like to link it. Christianity and Islam has nothing to do with Judaism and Jews do not accept them.

In fact the Old Testament states that God spoke in different times and different places to various peoples.

Yes, He had. In some cases, Angels like Gabriel will come down and talk to people on His behalf. To say that Jesus is the only way is to deny that God (of Israel) have talked or send Angels to communicate with humans.

Plenty of love in corinthians; forget for a moment leveticus, duetoronomy etc

Corinthians 16:22,10:7, 10:10, 7:21- 23

 

Show the Love that you preach. Don't preach the Love.

This is the funniest post and i cant stop my self laughing. In India there are more dirt than anywhere else. Corruption, Poverty, Child Labor,Unhealthy food as a result of lethal capitalism,unemployment,starvation of the good, harm to women,lack of good drinking water, Priests indulged in wrong things, workers given low wages, Good food only for the rich- this don't happen in the western world,caste discrimination and the list goes on.............................

 

This is what should be respected and admirable?

Good ... let the Hindus here read what sort of people Christians truly are.

Hindus have been closing their eyes toward the Harms Christians and Muslims have been doing to them, to India and to Hinduism in general. Your posts will be a valuable lessons from which they learn this harsh lessons from.

blame not muslims and christians also.

Actually, those are the "Blind" whom I have spoken about.

I didn't say blame it on Muslims and Christians if you get lost, I said those who follows the Christians and Muslims (ways) will get lost. At that time, one should not blame God for his own foolishness in following this people.

by melvin

Ans: I live in the Philippines, the only Christian nation in Asia.

And do you know HOW Christianity came to Philiphines? It came with the whips of Spanish Invaders.

Ans: My brother, Sephiroth. Aren`t we all children of God?

I'm ain't no brother of yours. And NO, I have no brothers (or sisters) who are Christians (or Muslim for that matter). My God did not teach me to worship a dead man, nor is my God a dead god.

Great ... more wikipedia links.

Hmph ... those who follow the Blind, shall be lead astray. Blame not God.

But, you seem to forget that the Jewish scriptures forecast the coming of a Messiah.

Paul was a rebel to orthodox Judaism.

He disliked it.

He wanted to modify Judaism and make it something universal and bring the gentiles into the Jewish religion by accepting the Jewish messiah.

 

I don't think you have understood what I was saying. I don't give a damn who or what Paul is.

What I'm saying is - as a Jew (orthodox or modern), they MUST follow the TEN COMMANDMENTS if they were to reach God (of Israel).

In Christianity, they went and created Jesus as a Son of God, produce the Cross as a Symbol and later, the image of Jesus on the Cross. All this is SACRILEGE in Judaism. It broke the Ten Commandments and therefore, anyone who follows such believe WILL NOT REACH God (of Israel).

I'm talking about the Ten Commandments, you're talking about Paul.

The apostle Paul who invented Christianity was a Jew.

He was not even born in Judaea. He was from Tarsus.

Paul was a Romanized descendant of Jews from Tarsus.

 

He was highly influenced by Roman culture.

He manufactured the Jesus myth because he thought it would save Rome from disintegration.

All that shows that Paul was a ROMAN who were interested in Jewish Tradition.

IF he was a Jew, then he could have known and followed the Ten Commandment. He could have also knew that breaking ANY ONE of this Commandments means that he CANNOT REACH GOD (of Israel) no matter how hard he prayed and repented.

The Ten Commandment IS THE CONVENT of God (of Israel) to the People of Israel. One must NEVER break this Convent if he wishes to return back to God (of Israel).

And your ignorance is breathtaking.

Watching your few posts here your motive is clear.

The fact is, the difference will continue to grow as long as people like you try to keep them apart.

Your avatar looks interesting, you mind where you took it from?

 

I'm not sure what's up with your signature you're just a puppet. Once again, as long as people are divided up with differences they almost become unconscious. No body's a puppet, they're "sleepwalking" is more like it.

I'm sorry ... I fail to think on how I should be answering you.

I did. There is nothing in there about evolution.

Then you did not understand.

When Kalki comes, He does not need to call out to others. We will know and we will go there on our own. The ignorant ones will walk the other way.