Ganeshprasad

Jai Ganesh Pranam Hari Bhakta ((You write No advati would say there is another god.)) and that is true. Re (Prabhu, there are many gods. Only the realised souls understand that sweet God Krishn is worshipped by all gods like Siv and Visnu. Krishn is parmatm.) You are over come by your love of Krishna therefore you fail to see the point of discussion. Beless you, dear Prabhu. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh (..God is greater than divine mother too. Because He created her too.) this is not my quote Re (of which God are you talking about? ) he is one with out a second is there an another?. He/ she goes by many names i like what you write about devine mother there is not enough words to describe her glories. Maa tu Bhavani sharnma lege. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (Dear friends I want to know how many of you have been to Tirumala.) Is this same as tirupati? pardon my ignorance. i have been once here but did not spend much time, hope to visit again with his grace and spend more time i was impressed. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (What do you all think of the following?: "Death of a Guru: The Story of Rabi Maharaj) In short not much. If you base your religion purely on miracles you are simply deluding your self. i tell you this is not even a true story it stinks of your conversion practice why? because you quoted. "out of the past came my mother's voice, repeating words I had long forgotten: "Rabi, if ever you're in real danger and nothing else seems to work, there's another god you can pray to. His name is Jesus." No advati would say there is another god. A mere coinsidence is costrued here to be major victory over Hindu. what a pathatic attempt. a snake disturbed would take up a defencive position or attact, if one stops and does not disturb any more it precives no danger then most likly it would run away.praying in any situation is benificial.one can not build a religion on basis of event like this ,i can only say good luck. A rishi would meditate in the thick of the forest amongst all kind of creatures unperturbed. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (Secondly, yes God is greater than divine mother too. Because He created her too. Mother can be selfish for her cause but God is absolute selfless! God is greater than anything else in this world!) God is both father and mother there is no lacking in him/her. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (Maadhav You know y hinduism is not able to stop conversion of hindus, its becos of people like you who thrust your ideas on other, when jesus can understand prayers in Tamil, whats wrong with krishna. If you say i need to know hindi to be a hindu, i would say iam not a hindu.) what is this attack on maadhav, where has he said to be a Hindu you have to know Hindi? There is nothing wrong with Krishna he understand the language of love. those who abandon dharma are ignorants and unfortunates nothing to do with madhavji or hindi. Here is what madhavji wrote in this thread and i quote "i welcome poets to write poems on this theme in indian languates:" by the way i am gujrati and proud of the language and i am sure you are of yours. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Pranam Madhavji Re (tame to saaraa kavi chho.) Nabhai na, khoti kalam na utaro, ame be chopdi bhanelane viakaran nu su bhanpade. Re << Lanchan he hamko dhrma chodne Jo na karsake dushman hamare >> maanuchhu tame aam kahevaa mango chho: Lanchan he unako (jo) dhrma chhod de Jo na karsake dushman hamare) apane bijane su dosh devo potani bhul pote joi toj agad nikli sakye. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu Re (I have to leave on a longish trip and I do not have much time. So, without going into the acrimonious discussions and arguments that might have taken place overnight, I write the following.) May the lord be with you my friend come back soon. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai ganesh Pranam madhavji Chlo hambhi kavi banene cahle Aiye th.e dushman hamare sadiyo purane Eak nahi do aiye lovuKi nadiya bahane loot gaye ham ko kangal banake tod gaye sare devar sthane. Atyachar sahe purvojone dharma bachane Lanchan he hamko dhrma chodne Jo na karsake dushman hamare Hum chal pade astic ban.ne ajke jamane. Kiya majal hai dushman ki jo aiye th.e sadiyo purane. Lekin hum rahe na rahe dharma rahege sada hamare. Bhai bhul chuk sudhari ne vanchje nathi shikyo koidi kavi ni vato aato suratan chdiyu etle lakhi nakhi dil ni vato jai shree krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (You are a confused man. Caraamy means travels with or also pervades them.) Well we will see who is confused, if she is traveling with the devas that would be in her personal form and if she is pervading then it has to be in the form of shakti. But you said and I quote ( Lakshmi travels as Lakshmi always. There is no verse to suggest otherwise and doing so would be artificial and a lie.) The verse clearly states who she support and who she travel with, so be honest and give the true meaning, but I don’t expect that from you, you are simply blinded by following your narrow minded school of thought. Re (DEVI is travelling with Rudras as with any other Devata in order to support them all. This is the import. Is it so difficult to understand this simple meaning Devi is bringing through the verses. ) I am finding difficult to understand your logic if you are traveling with someone is it for company is it for friendship does that mean you hold power over them? Re (No wonder you advaities lost all capacity to understand through your wrong knowledge. Thorw away this false understanding called Advaita from your minds and you would understand verses clearly.) Calling names like incompetent, silly, Advaita (insult to Sankrachrya) will not make you understand the truth or win any argument, and it will only bring disrepute to your own following. Re (As for Gita verses, Lord Krishna is saying I am the real Rudra, who is antaryami of the Deity Rudra, pati of Uma. Lord Krishna is talking about HIS glories. ) First Lord Krishna is responding to Arjun’s Request how may I worship you in different form of yours? According to you Krishna is real Rudra and Uma pati Shankar is pretender wow. Is Krishna separate from his glories? Re (Finally Krishna says that whatever glory you see in the universe, it is because of ME. Lord Krishna enables deities like Rudra to be Rudra.) No Krishna says adityanam aham visnur jyotisam ravir amsuman maricir marutam asmi naksatranam aham sasi rudranam sankaras casmi vitteso yaksa-raksasam vasunam pavakas casmi meruh sikharinam aham Re (The reason that Ambrani Sukta does not refer to Sarasvati is clear from that Sukta only. Devi creates BrahmA too. So obviously it is not Sarasvati. ) Not so obvious, it is your imagination only. I could use the same argument and it is devi Sarsvati and therefore like every one who translate this verse like so, make sense, I Kamaye(love or desire or wish) make Ugra (mighty, fearful) not Rudra he is self dependent, a priest(Brahma) (not ChaturMukh Brahma) or wise. She is not talking about creating or manifesting Ugra Brahma oR rishi. If you ask any one who is predominate deity of speech (Vac) even a novice will be able to tell you it is Mata Sharsvati 1.003.10 May Sarasvati_, the purifier, the bestower of food, the recompenser of worship with wealth, be attracted by our offered viands to our rite. [sarasvati_ = va_g-devata_, divinity of speech]. 1.003.11 Sarasvati_, the inspirer of those who delight in truth, the instructress of the right-minded, has accepted our sacrifice. 1.003.12 Sarasvati_, makes manifest by her acts a mighty river, and (in her own form) enlightens all understandings. [sarasvati_ is the river in this hymn: dvividha_ hi sarasvati_ vigrahavaddevata_ nadi_ru_pa_ ca, tatra sarasvati_tyetasya nadi_vaddevata_vacca nigama_ bhavanti (Nirukta 2.23)] Re (Rest about trinity etc. is based on faulty unVedic knowledge.) Well if the lord does not create, maintain and destroy I do not know of anyone else who can. tasyaaH shikhaayaa madhye paramaatmaa vyavasthitaH | sa brahma sa shivaH sa hariH sa indraH so.aksharaH paramaH swaraaT.h || In the Middle of That Flame, the Supreme Self dwells. This (Self) is Brahma (the Creator), Siva (the Destroyer), Hari (the Protector), Indra (the Ruler), the Imperishable, the Absolute, the Autonomous Being. Prostrations again and again to the Omni-Formed Being, the Truth, the Law, the Supreme Absolute, the Purusha of blue-decked yellow hue, the Centralised-Force, Power, the All-Seeing One. Let this be the fault in me to think the lord is one without a second who create maintain and destruct to bring forth the creation again. Re (If Rudra is self-dependent and does not worship anybody, then why in Yajur Veda is Rudra Deva asking for a VaRAfrom devatas o be pasupati. No logical answer has come out. ) I never quoted any thing about worship but since you bring it Read the purans all the devtas are worshiping each other, they even conspire to kill the asuras, and when it get difficult they pray to Durga to kill certain demons, why don’t you read Markand puran there is a nice devi lila in there. Why did Krishna go to Gurukul? Such questions are irrelevant because they are only asked to make them look small and if that is the intention then the truth will escape us, even if it stares in our face. Re (What do you mean you are not convinced. Why ? The word is pitAram. It means ancestors or fathers. BrahmA is an ancestor of all created beings. So is Manu, Rudra, prajapatis etc. So it could refer to any one of them muurdhAn means highest point. It could mean moksha or Satya Loka which is the highest point on meru mountain. So the verse could mean Devi provides Moksha to our ancestors like BrahmA, RudrA, manus, Rsis, Prajapatis or Devi gave birth to BrahmA in Satya loka or Brahma lokA. If you cannot understand then it is useless for me to argue with you guys. Please do not make a trash out of this post.) Still not convinced you are stating your opinion and if it is” the devi “who gave birth to Brahma, then what it she doing saying I bring forth the father. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (((Since people ask silly questions without putting real effort to know Devi Sukta, I thought to post the verses fully and request Ganeshprasad and others to fully read and try to get the real meaning out.) thank you the more I read the silly I get, what is the real meaning? Devi sukta in my shallow understanding is all about shakti and how she travels. the three predominate shakti are to creat to suatain and to destroy and we all know who the three Devis are, only in the form of shakti they may travel with other devas it would be scralige to think othrerwise. Re (aháM rudrébhir vásubhish caraamy ahám aadityaír utá vishvádevaiH ahám mitraáváruNobhaá bibharmy ahám indraagnií ahám ashvínobhaá 10.125.01 I proceed with the Rudras, with the Vasus, with the A_dityas, and with the Vis'vedeva_s; I support both Mitra and Varun.a, Agni and Indra, and the two As'vins. In the above verse bibharmy means to carry or support. Also caraamy means to pervade, to go along etc. Note the use of bibharmy ie to bear or to support. The intended meaning of the whole verse is therefore to have power over all these devatas. Only the more powerful can bear the powerful. therefore this verse implies superior strength of Devi and advaita has no place here.))) Yes I see it quite clearly bibharmy, only you fail to see it says ahám mitraáváruNobhaá bibharmy ahám indraagnií ahám ashvínobhaá I support both Mitra and Varun.a, Agni and Indra, and the two As'vins.Talk about honesty, where does it say power over all Devtas? She says caraamy( means gati, to travel) with rudras and Others. And in answer to my earlier question I asked in which form does she travel, your first answer was power of course, and this is what you said now and I quote, Lakshmi travels as Lakshmi always. There is no verse to suggest otherwise and doing so would be artificial and a lie.unquote. which one is correct? So my friend tell me what is she doing traveling with rudras and company? You also mentioned when it says rudras Rudra deva is not there or adityas Vishnu is not there and I understand why now, because you want to believe, for obvious reason, Vishnu is not mention in this sukta.But Krishna say Bg [Ch.10 Text 21]: Of the Adityas I am Visnu, Ch.10 Text 23]: Of all the Rudras I am Lord Siva; why should I believe what you say? Re (((aháM sómam aahanásam bibharmy aháM tváSTaaram utá puuSáNam bhágam aháM dadhaami dráviNaM havíSmate supraavyè yájamaanaaya sunvaté 10.125.02 I support the foe-destroying Soma, Tvas.t.a_, Pu_s.an and Bhaga; I bestow wealth upon the institutor of the rite offering the oblation, deserving of careful protection, pouring forth the libation. Note the words aháM dadhaami dráviNaM. It means "I bestow wealth". Again Devi makes show of HER power over somebody. aháM raáSTrii saMgámanii vásuunaaM cikitúSii prathamaá yajñíyaanaam taám maa devaá vy àdadhuH purutraá bhuúristhaatraam bhuúry aavesháyantiim 10.125.03 I am the sovereign queen, the collectress of treasures, cognizant (of the Supreme Being), the chief of objects of worship; as such the gods have put me in many places, abiding in manifold conditions, entering into numerous forms. Again Devi explicitly tells that SHE is the sovereign ruler(queen). The sanskrit word is raáSTrii. Again power over some beings. The second part where DEVI is the chief of objects of worship for even the gods is explained. SHE says that Devatas have put her in many places ie devatas have created or established places of worship with Devi as the Deity. máyaa só ánnam atti yó vipáshyati yáH praáNiti yá iiM shRNóty uktám amantávo maáM tá úpa kSiyanti shrudhí shruta shraddhiváM te vadaami 10.125.04 He who eats food (eats) through me; he who sees, who breathes, who hears what is spoken, does so through me; those who are ignorant of me perish; hear you who have hearing, I tell that which is deserving of belief.))) Yaa Devi Sarvabhuteshu Maatri Rupena Sanstitha Namastasyei (3) Namo Namah Now read this based on Sa_yan.a and Wilson Rigveda Sam.hita_: Mandala 1 1.003.10 May Sarasvati_, the purifier, the bestower of food, the recompenser of worship with wealth, be attracted by our offered viands to our rite. [sarasvati_ = va_g-devata_, divinity of speech]. 1.003.11 Sarasvati_, the inspirer of those who delight in truth, the instructress of the right-minded, has accepted our sacrifice. 1.003.12 Sarasvati_, makes manifest by her acts a mighty river, and (in her own form) enlightens all understandings. [sarasvati_ is the river in this hymn: dvividha_ hi sarasvati_ vigrahavaddevata_ nadi_ru_pa_ ca, tatra sarasvati_tyetasya nadi_vaddevata_vacca nigama_ bhavanti (Nirukta 2.23)]. Now I am not saying like you do that this is conclusive proof that this is only Mata Sarasvati spoken off in VAC because I am firm believer of trinity so all the devis must travel in the form of sakti with their respective partners, it is not as if Devi in her personal form of Laxmi bent the bow for Rudra that does not make sense but Rudra deva bends it with his sakti and we all know who she is. Re (ahám evá svayám idáM vadaami júSTaM devébhir utá maánuSebhiH yáM kaamáye táM-tam ugráM kRNomi tám brahmaáNaM tám R'SiM táM sumedhaám 10.125.05 I verily of myself declare this which is approved of by both gods and men; whomsoever I will, I render him Ugra(one of the names of Rudra), I make him BrahmA(Chaturmukha), a r.s.i, or a sage. ) What is not so evident as you like to put is that she is creating any being, she is saying whom I Kamaye(love or desire or wish) make Ugra (mighty, fearful) not Rudra he is self dependent un born undecaying, tam a priest rishi or a wiseman. It make sense to make some one mighty Re (10.125.07 I bring forth the paternal (heaven) upon the brow of this (Supreme Being)(Moksha is meant here), my birthplace is in the midst of the waters; from thence I spread through all beings, and touch this heaven with my body.) I am not convinced by your answers, who the devi is and who is the father. Truth is far from being monopoly of any one. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (the fact remains: shiva is shakti, and the destroyer. an essential component of the one supreme brahman. the trinity are mere representations of the different facets of the One lord. the functions of creation, preservation and destruction require each other. to argue one is better then the other is pointless. there is a BIG difference between allocating certain qualities of god to different deities, in comparison to various deities having godly qualities in different amounts! its a shame nobody here understands this.) i concur on this point. it is on such squabbles spritulity becomes a farce. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Pranam Madhavji Re (may i suggest we use translations by hindu swamis or aacharyas.) Your suggestions are always welcome.As i said i use many source.Whose translation do you use. Re ( an academic degree is not necessrily a qualification to be an authority in dharma.) true but it can give you un biased translation.if you spot any mistake please let me know. I am glad we agree self control is required. in the end sin or not (and Krishna is quite clear on this)our desires of pleasures sinful or otherwise binds us to this material world which is full of misry.all the time we are doing what we have done over and over again without any gain,we say just one more time one more drag,but there is no sukh simply chewing the chewed. Jai Shree Krishna Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (As usual I think I am arguing with totally incompetent people, who do not take any sincere attempt to understand the verses. ) Well dear guest you do not have to argue, this is an open forum and you have a choice not to respond to totally incompetent person like me at least I want have to learn your arrogance. Re (Mr. Ganeshprasad, please read the verse proprly. 1. The verse says VAC(Lakshmi Devi) travelsz with Rudras(not Rudra). Whenever Rig Veda wants to refer Rudra Deva, it will name Rudra in singular and not plural. Rudra is not included among Rudras when mentioned in plural. Similarly, Visnu is not included among Adityas. 2. The verse also mentions Vausus, Adityas and VisveDevas. Devi is merely telling about HER powers over Rudras, Vasus, Adityas and Here is the verse for your reference again. aháM rudrébhir vásubhish caraamy ahám aadityaír utá vishvádevaiH ahám mitraáváruNobhaá bibharmy ahám indraagnií ahám ashvínobhaá 10.125.01 I proceed with the Rudras, with the Vasus, with the A_dityas, and with the Vis'vedeva_s; I support both Mitra and Varun.a, Agni and Indra, and the two As'vins.) sorry my mistake I should have said rudras, but since when does traveling with some one equate to power over some one? In my opinion shakti goes with shaktiman purash and that is how in the form of shakti she travels with the gods. Re ((Can you read the original verse and get the true meaning ? Here it is for you again. aháM suve pitáram asya muurdhán máma yónir apsv àntáH samudré 10.125.07 I bring forth the paternal (heaven) upon the brow of this (Supreme Being), my birthplace is in the midst of the waters;) On the world's summit I bring forth the Father: my home is in the waters, in the ocean. This was your other translation which you originally quoted. Which one is correct?)) ((So tell me who is the father?) ) Surely, you said Vishnu I ask you again who is the father she brings?. Can she call her husband, father? Where else Vishvadeva clearly say who the father is. My home is in water and you draw a conclusion it is Laxmidevi but you would not allow summit which you would find on a mountain as referring to Rudra. Most interesting of all is Vac is mainly associated with Devi Sharasvati and she is also a river but we will not mention that shell we. Re (I bend the bow of Rudra, to slay the destructive enemy of the Bra_hman.as. Here Devi establishes HER superior power over Rudra Deva. After establishing HER superior strength over Rudra Deva) How interesting you form a judgment like this based on your biased opinion. Yes it is true it is the shakti off saktiman purasha who bends the bow, this was the reason I asked you in which form does she travel with this gods and I know you cant say Laxmidevi because it is in the form of shakti that she travels. Re (SHE further says in verse 7(as stated before), that SHE is the creator of Rudra, BrahmA, Rsis, and wise men. ) Now where does it mention of creating? Re (Vaisnavas are truthful unlike deluded shivites who pretend and hide behind faulty advaita theory. Your position holds no water.) Truthfulness is a virtue not a monopoly of any sect; all I see is a slinging match trying to tear each other apart. Jai Shree Krishna

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Jai Ganesh Re (That said, the older day Hindus had the opinion that preserving the Amogha (Wonderful) Rethas or Virya (I won't translate this because there are too many prudes on this group) should be preserved.) You will find that people in this group are more shocked by your attack on Ram and Krishna then what you might have have translated. Re (They had no idea that once the Rethas goes out, it is created/secreted again in the body.) Oh really. Re (Loss of Rethas has truly nothing to do with keeping the body in high energy and good health.) So what is your energy leval after ejecting? i wonder why the sportsman are advised to refrain before the games. and i suppose there is no energy required to recreate what you loose. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (Merging means void) whose defination is this? what dictionary are you reading?such wild statements serves no purpose except giving a bad name to bhakti. This is what Lord Krishna is describing in attaining brahman realisation, is he talking about VOID? I shall briefly explain to you (the process to attain) that goal which the knowers of the Vedas call the imperishable; into which the ascetics, freed from attachment, enter; and desiring which people lead a life of celibacy. (8.11) Controlling all the (nine) doors of the body, the abode of consciousness; focusing the mind on the heart and Prana in the cerebrum, and engaged in yogic practice; (8.12) One who leaves the body while meditating on Brahman and uttering OM, the sacred monosyllable sound of Brahman, attains the Supreme goal. (8.13) Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Pranam madhavJi Re (may i know whose translation you have used please?) I use several,in this case it was following translator, Dr. Ramanand Prasad, of the American Gita Society. http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/gita.htm Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh. a Bramachari preserve its virya to be able to learn and be strong.Virya = strength do not waste it. There is neither Self-knowledge nor Self-perception to those whose senses are not under control. Without Self-perception there is no peace; and without peace there can be no happiness. (2.66) The mind, when controlled by the roving senses, steals away the Prajna as a storm takes away a boat on the sea from its destination, the spiritual shore. (2.67) And now hear from Me, O Arjuna, about the threefold pleasure. The pleasure one enjoys from (spiritual) practice results in cessation of sorrow. (18.36) This pleasure, appears as poison in the beginning but is like nectar in the end, comes by the grace of Self-knowledge; is good or Saattvika. (18.37) Sensual pleasures appear as nectars in the beginning, but become poison in the end; such pleasures are called Raajasika pleasures. (See also 5.22) (18.38) Pleasure that deludes a person in the beginning and in the end; which comes from sleep, laziness, and confusion; such pleasure is called Taamasika (pleasure). (18.39) I hope this helps. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh (It is krishna's idea of a joke, the ONE BECOMING MANY) Well if it is a joke i am not laughing Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu Ji Re (****** Are you there ******** Why this doubt?) My apology, it must have sounded awful,i have no doubt about your spritual quest and understanding. What i ment was was very simple, so i thougt,as in are you there on line same time as i. Once again please accept my apology. One who identifies with achedeo atma, lives through all. That's how unwittingly Govind ram ji brings in verses that show the truth. SB 3.32.28 jnanam ekam paracinair indriyair brahma nirgunam avabhaty artha-rupena bhrantya sabdadi-dharmina Ma Durge sharanam namah Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (can He not have both? Have a Pure spiritual form and possess impersonal region?) He is one without a second,every thing that be is in him. Re (Lets not fight, just accept Lord Gauranga Mahaprabhu.) Yes I agree,but yours is a choice, choose any colour as long as it is black. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu Are you there Jai Shree Krishna

Vakratund mahaakaay suryakoti samprabha Nirvign kuru me dev (Subha) sarvakaareyeshu sarvada Namaskar Atanu I also have a CD "Chants of Shiva" it is called Himalayan chants, it is also wonderful. Re (translation of the text. Ma has sent it through you. ) I am glad to be of help. Re (I thought of enquiring something of you: Why Vinayaka is never subject of controversy?) Simply because he is the leader. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu I see you are taking shelter of Mata Bhavani, who else can be more loving then the mother. Bhavani Ashtakam A Prayer to Mother Divine,Bhavani - these sacred sanskrit 8 Stanza prayers were written by Sri Aadi Shankaracharya, composed in a high state of devotion and bliss to uplift the devotees. Na Taato Na Maato Na Bandhur Na Daata, Na putro Na putri Na Bhrityo Na Bharta ! Na Jaaya Na Vidya Na Vriteermameva, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (O Mother Divine! Father, Mother,Husband,Wife,Children and Friends- none of these are eternallymine. Knowledge,intellect,mind and will power are also not eternal. O Mother of the universe- You are myonlysaviour, My eternal refuge) Bhavadbhavapaarey Mahadukha Bheeruhu, Prapaata Prakaami Pralobhi Pramatah! KuSansaara Paasha Prabhadha Sadaham Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! ( I have fallen in the ocean of birth and death, and I fear their sorrows. I am trapped by my ego with its countless desires, greed, pride and lust. O Mother of the universe- You are my only saviour, my eternal refuge.) Na Jaanami Daanam, Na Cha Dhyaana Yogam, Na Jaanami Tantram, Na Cha StotraMantram! Na Jaanami Poojaam, Na Cha Nyaasa Yogam, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (O Mother of the universe - I do not know how to come close to you. I do not know any form of worship. Help me, O Mother Divine- You are my only saviour, my eternal refuge.) Na Jaanami Punyam, Na Jaanami Theertham, Na Jaanami Mutkeem, Layam Vaa Kadachit ! Na Jaanami Bhatkeem, Vratam Vaapi Maatah, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (I do not know how to be righteous or find your abode. I do not know how to achieve freedom by dissolving my ego. i am deviod and surrender. I am not strong enough to make any vow. O Mother of the universe- You are my saviour, my eternal refuge) Kukarmi, Kusangi, Ku buddhi, Kudasah, Kulaacharaheenah Kadachaaraleenah! Kudrushtih, Kuvaakya Prabandah Sadaham Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (My mind is always engaged in worthless thoughts and actions. My Intellect has become dull, enslaved by old habits. I am unable to behave honourably and my intentions are unique. My speech becomes harsh and hurting. Save me,O Mother of the universe - You aremy only saviour,my eternal refuge) Prajesham, Ramesham, Mahesham, Suresham, Dinesham Nishiteshwaram Va Kadachit Na Jaanami Chaanyat Sadaham Sharanye' Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (I do not Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra, Surya and Chandra, or any other divinities. O Mother of the universe, you are known for your compassion- You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge) Divaadey, Vishadey, Pramadhey, Pravaasey Jaale Chaanalay, Parvatey, Shatrumadhyae' Aranye' Sharanye' Sada Maa Prapahi Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! ( O compassionate Mother, protect me wherever I am and with whomever I am with in pleasure and in distress.O Mother of the universe - You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge) Anartho Daridro Jara Rogayukto, Mahashkeena Deenah Sada JadyaVaktrah Vipatto Pravishtah Pranashtah Sadaham, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! ( O Mother, I feel like an orphan on this Earth, powerless and without inner wealth, deluded by ignorance and unable to see the light of truth. O Mother of the universe - You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge) Jai Maa Bhavani Jai Shree Krishna