Ganeshprasad

Jai Ganesh Chanting the names of the lord is the easy process recommended in this age for spiritual progress. Reading the scripture is to understand the truth. i find Gita is the best for me. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu Ji, Om Namah Sivayya Time to give back this thread to the original poster, although our discussion is related but i feel we should discusses this separately. i shall respond in due course of time. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu ji Re (Say, by the grace of God, Ganesh Prasad Ji obtains a vision of of the all pervading, all omniscient, and all powerful Lord. Then also Ganesh Ji has to answer Who saw God? ) Wonderful, it will be my good fortune if such vision was bestowed upon me. If I obtain the vision then it must be the one who obtained it will see, is it not? Re (Can a limited being see and comprehend a full Lord? Can i, a small embodied soul see the ALL?) What did Arjun asked to see, having realized Krishna to be the paraBrahman. He obtained the vision by the grace of the lord, but he finally asked to see his two-armed form and gathered his composer. Yes it would be impossible to comprehend the lot but what we perceive is also purna. What does the mandukiya Upanishad says in this relation. He is neither that which is known, nor that which is not known, nor is he the sum of all that might be known. Re (Is God vision the ultimate? ) Yes Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh The height of spiritual discussion. wow Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (That is why India has not progressed to the level that America has and that is why you find that Hinduism in particular is losing out.) (Impart religious and not academic education!! ) i find both your statements very odd. Are you saying America has progressed because of their religious belief? this sounds bizarre to me.Material progress in the western world has largly been at the expance of religion. Although i agree the progress should be made side by side therefore both is important, but the emphasis should be the spritual goals. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu ji Re (It is always a pleasure to debate with you.) The feeling is mutual. Re (Yes Vichara is a thinking process. It is in Vedas that Indra on birth kills his father -- the heaven, and again He alone kills vrittya -- the veil that stops the grace of knowledge. Indra is the divine mind.) Please tell me more how did Indra kill his father? Vrittya I believe is the demon. It is not difficult to see the connection since Indra represent the highest opulent in the material realm, he is forever afraid of loosing it.such is our sorry state, mind is very fickle. Re (Now Vichara deals with very fundamental questions. Since "I" is the primordial ahamkara and the root of all other thoughts, knowing that "I" (which is nothing but OM)and keeping the mind on "I" keeps other thoughts away. But "I" sense has a source -- the pure intelligence of Lord. With mind fixed on "I", suddenly the mind's attachment to the body (the heart knot) melts. Like air within a cup may think itself to be the cup, we falsely think that we are confined within the body and actually are the body. This breaks with Vichara.) The small i and the big I have a relation but to think the small i disappear when the big I found is something I can not fathom. I can understand the example of air or water but the self is different. Simply because the symptom of self is consciousness therefore one can not forget to be conscious. The self is describe as ajo nityo, purano na haniyete haniye mane gaye sarire. That which is eternal can not cease to exist. You may argue there is only one and yes there is only one but we are part of that One who has no limitation therefore we are many with in that One.i have no control, the controller is the lord I see that as a difference not reconcilable. Re (When the mind absorbed in "I", suddenly looses the i sense, the heart knot melts.) I see that as a surrender of will, get out close from this material world. Re (Yes please wonder more. Find out this "I". Actually you will start seeing light and light. You can play with the light and create visions or you can enquire "who sees the light?" ) You may argue this light is pure white, push is through a prism and you will find colors. When you ask who sees one is always presupposes that there is one who see and the other that is seen. Re (It is not silence in the conventional sense of no sound. I mean that to recieve grace the mind has to be tranquil. That is what I mean. Internal silence. Pranayama does it. Japa does it. But finally, one has to enquire "who is calm? Who is seeing?) So please tell me who is receiving the grace and who is giving? Who needs to tranquil the mind? Re (One truly finds that there is absolutely no other apparatus (within you and without you) that is intelligent and can percieve and analyse and memorise and create etc., other than the primal pure intelligence Shivam. This issues as the third eye as knowledge.) Are you suggesting the life is merely intelligence? Re (That is why Ekam Advaitam Sivam is the Turiyatta -- the undescribable goodness. This pure intelligence, that is ever there and ever will be, stays through all states of consciousness---the waking, dreaming and sleeping. But we think the states as real but not the underlying seer of the states.) So who posses the pure intelligence? Re (Yes effort is required for everything. And the day, that effort is seen as the work of Durga, the power of the Lord, no more it will be an effort. In our present state without personal effort nothing can be done. When we see Lord's power doing everything that will be the day. Without losing the small petty personal i, that day will never come. Since, "i have done this" sense will remain.) This is a great balancing act; we can not progress without self-effort at the same time we have to understand who is pulling the strings. Re (Without vichara the sense of doership is not loosened even a bit.) We can not stop the vichara, the trick is to do the duty and forget the result. Karmena adhikaresu mafalesu kadachin. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (-Where does hinduism people go to pray?) Devalaya or Mandir. Deva means divine being Alay means place. Place where the mind finds the resting-place. Most Hindu prays at home almost all will have a shrine of some short where they offer their prayers. Then of course we have Deval sthan where the deities are offered worshiped in line with Vedic tradition. Re (-Wich sacred places, items, animals and similaer things does exist within hinduism?) Whereever the lord resides, that becomes sacred of course we have many pilgrimage places. Char dhama (4 Places) is a well-known place like Haridwar in North, Rameshvara in south Dwarka in the west and Jaganath puri in the east. Vridavan Mathura, Ayodhiya, Kasi and Tirupati are very famous pilgrimage destination. Ofcourse there are many rivers, which is held very sacred, every Hindu would like to have a dip in the Ganga. Other four dham which in the olden days was very difficult to accomplish but many did that bare foot in the Himalayas namely Jamnotri the source of the river Jamuna, Badrinath, Gangotri where Bhagirath performed Tapasaya to bring mother Ganga to earth and Kedarnath one off the twelve jyotirlinga. there are so many places. Every town and village has a special connection that it would be impossible to list them all. All life is considered sacred from plants and tree to animals. The worship of mother cow takes a special place. How can some one not love the most gentle of all the creatures? Every thing of the cow is beautiful, she nourishes the human being by simply eating the grass, her dung is the best form of fertilizer, also the dung is used for fuel, urine is also used for purification and when she dies the hyde is used for shoes and making drums. The cow for its nourishment is revered as mother and the bull as father for tilling the soil. Both lord Krishna and lord Shiva are associated with this most beautiful soul. Re (-Write some about the new religious ways of hinduism who has its origin from the east.) Hinduism is an age-old tradition nothing changes accept the people who follow it, some package it with new warping but the concept remains the same. Re (-What sacred scrifts within hinduism do you know?) I am an old student lost with so much to learn. Re (-What do you know about these scrifts?) Very little. Re (-Write name on all world places hinduism exist) Hinduism is a science of the soul and the super soul. Souls are Jillian the super soul pervades all. Re (Please help me. ) Only the lord in your heart knows all seek him and you will find out the help is not far. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re ( Note: I am 19 yrs old. This will be my Last Post under this topic because I have to prepare for my CS Foundation Examination which is from June 2 to 7. I believe that most of you who post here are elder to me. I seek your wishes to come out of these exams successfully. It is Bharatiya Culture and I give respect to it.) My best wishes for your exams. Re ( Also I am sure that Narayana is with me for He has always shown me the best path. ) Narayan is with all of us, in your battle for supremacy you fail to see this point. you use the argument all names belong to Narayana, but when Krishna says i am Rudra, you actualy deny his statement. how funny that is? Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu ji Re (The ultimate surrender is to be yuktatma. Forget your work, food, etc., etc., For such yogis God does everything. That is surrender. Thinking that I have suurendered is not surrendering.) Of course the show of surrendering has no meaning, but once the process of surrendering has begun the perfaction will come, with his grace. Re (This is the time to tell you something. Everyone has to go through vichara.) Vichara is another way of saying thinking. Re (Japa will tighten your control but will not make you the master of your mind. I have some experience, so I am speaking about this. The moment mind wanders, I enquire "where from this thought" or "who has this thought". The obvious answer is "I". Then enquire "Who am I", with the knowledge that "I" am not the body and the thoughts are not me but the thoughts arise in me. Then who is this me? There will not be any answer but silence after a short time. ) I am often wondering who is this I? Ofcourse you can not see that I, why because the seer and the seen has to be two different person. Silence is not the answer. RE (Since the "I" thought is primordial, the mind comes under control in time. Repeating this whenever mind wanders gives beautiful result.) Controlling the mind is not enough, fixing it on the supreme, from where there is no return, must be the goal. ******Keeping mind on god that is also an effort therefore do not be afraid of making the effort******* re (This effort does not add karma. Or it adds good karma only.) One can not be effortless so do it the way it does not add karma. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (Continous unbroken meditation is work. The biggest work. No work is more engaging and more worthy. Lord has said that yuktatma yogis do not have any work (ie other than meditation). And this meditation is a way to overcome the trappings of Gunas.) He also says those who surrender on to me they easily cross over the three gunas. daivi hy esa guna-mayi mama maya duratyaya mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te Re (Who says so? The one who lusts also says that stilling the mind is impossible. It is the ego and mind that is deciding. That is the trick of the mind.) Arjun said to Krishna the mind is chanchala cancalam hi manah krsna pramathi balavad drdham tasyaham nigraham manye vayor iva su-duskaram Re (It has apparently become independent and a ruler and it is in its present state a shameless thing. It even does not acknowledge that the intelligence is from the Lord. Mind has nothing of its own. In fact, mind is nothing but a bundle of thoughts. It is leading you to think that stilling the mind is like catching wind.) You can not stop thinking, mind is not independent, but every situation provokes a thought in you one acts on it some times by impulse or with intelligence but it is the soul who is thinking through the medium of senses some where along the line Karma plays a big part in it. That is why the lord warns us, karmany evadhikaras te ma phalesu kadacana ma karma-phala-hetur bhur ma te sango 'stv akarmani Re (True, even to attempt to meditate requires the grace but one step of jiva is reciprocated by 10 steps of Lord (that is what I have heard but Lord is not helping me at all).) And that is very true, do not be despondent, this is our real test, every good thing in life comes with patience. If you grow a mango tree it takes time before it gives you fruit. Re (Stilling the mind cannot be done with effort since effort will involve false belief that I am doing it. But keeping the mind on God for some time (about 2-3 minutes unbroken) brings on the still ness automatically.) Keeping mind on god that is also an effort therefore do not be afraid of making the effort, the false belief will disappear once the truth is known. We have to make an effort to get out of this darkness, once in the light there is no darkness. Om Durge Sharanam Namah Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (Yes, mind will not be tranquil until free of desire. And without mother's grace this is not possible.) How very true, even in the mundane world this is so easy to see, there are no words that can describe maa, she comes in many forms and all of them deserve our respect from the one we get our birth to cow to earth, unfortunately we take them for granted, there is no one more benevolent and forbearance then the mother, what to speak of divine mother. Their grace is unconditional accept we do not see it that way, we perpetually run away and fall down but she never fails to pick us up. Let us not lusts after women, except when we are ready to take one as our life partner or else we should treat every one as either a sister or mother. Mata Durge Sharanam Namah. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu ji Re (Yes, our first encounter is with the body but through the senses, which is an indirect experience. On the other hand, the experience that 'I exist' does not require any sensual validation. In deep sleep, when there is no body and no senses (mind has folded into the Lord -- the consciousness), there is pure bliss but we do not know. Only the refreshed state is an indirect proof. ) Falsely identifying with the body to be the self and thus all our actions are outward looking.the whole sansar is indirect proof of real eternal bliss that exist in different dimension, We have no awerness in deep sleep therefore the self-need to attain that state while awake. Unfortunately we chase after mirage which is a reflection of real water in different place Can you see the indirect connection. One does not attain freedom from the bondage of Karma by merely abstaining from work. No one attains perfection by merely giving up work. (3.04) Because no one can remain actionless even for a moment. Everyone is driven to action, helplessly indeed, by the Gunas of nature. (3.05) This is the sorry state of Jiva who is entangled in the web of Maya and the lust is the strongest enemy of all. No matter how hard we try there is this natural tendency to try one more time that we try to give up. Because when we are trapped in the tunnel all direction is darkness even the way out therefore we come disillusioned and give up half way. The branches (of this world tree of Maya) spread below and above (or all over the cosmos). The tree is nourished by the Gunas; sense pleasures are its sprouts; and its roots (of ego and desires) stretch below in the human world causing Karmic bondage. (15.02) Neither its (real) form nor its beginning, neither its end nor its existence is perceptible here on the earth. Having cut these firm roots of the Ashvattha tree by the mighty ax of (Jnana and) Vairaagya or detachment; (15.03) Re (Ram is the bliss inside, which is fleetingly seen (experienced) only when the mind is absolutely still. Ram is within but all seek Him in objects that appear external to one (actually all objects are also in one's own consciousness).) Stilling the mind is more difficult then to catch the wind. We should never the less sincerely try and make it our friend and seek the grace of the Lord. Re (During the fleeting moments during a 'no thought' period between two thoughts or 'a moment before and after' waking, one experiences this bliss, which Siva experiences eternally and which is Sivam.) Therefore we must burn the desires that deludes us, we must seek the shelter of that who can give us the Sivam. Those who are free from pride and delusion, who have conquered the evil of attachment, who are constantly dwelling in the Supreme Self with all Kaama completely stilled, who are free from the dualities known as pleasure and pain; such undeluded persons reach the eternal goal. (15.05) It is not the mind that needs stilling but the desires that binds us in this sansar. The goal (of nirvana) should be sought reaching which one does not come back; thus thinking: In that very primal spirit I take refuge from which this primal manifestation comes forth. (15.04) Re (Like a person sitting in shade does not know that he is in heaven but goes out in heat and then understands. We forget that bliss is the very nature of everyone but seek other to obtain happiness.) Why and how we chose to leave that heaven like shade and chose to burn in this sansar is a mystery. Facts remain we are in this quagmire, how do we get out of it? Does lusting after one thing or the other help? As some one here suggest, that which is natural and should not be condemned, even goes on to suggest those who are bramachari will not attain the supreme, really mind boggles those who have no children especially a son their parents would not attain heaven, due to lack of rights not performed on the banks of a river? Does one reach any destination without the self-effort? Or Like as he suggest just get a son, do all that you want to do never mind any karma at the end of the time the son will perform the rights and bingo the heaven awaits. Wow. Re (We also do not understand why one becomes happy temporarily, on fulfillment of one's desire. We by ignorance think that fulfillment of a desire has made us happy. This is a cause of repeated misery.) Is any one happy really? We carry large burden on our shoulder walk in a blazing son find a shade and sit down. The relief we get we perceive as bliss is it really bliss? When a desire is fulfilled, mind becomes desireless for a brief period and the bliss that is always there is experienced briefly. But then not knowing this the mind makes us desire a new thing and the bliss is gone. Desirelessness is bliss and performing all acts by not owning the doership and the fruits, keeps the bliss eternally. OM Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu ji Re (Because lust is the biggest hurdle so this exercice is worth. I will just give one hint and rest one has to do oneself. Who has the lust? You as a body lust after another body. But neither you nor the lusted beings are bodies. Does one lust for a dead woman? It is the life that is adorable. The Ram. Who has no lust and one cannot lust Ram. You can adore Ram.) Nicely put how can we lust after a dead body? Our first encounter is with the body, consciousness of all living entity is through the medium of form, we perceive all with the use of the body, some thing tangible, which we all can see. Unfortunately the nature of this material world is very temporary that is evident also. Lord Shree Krishna describes this world as dukhalay, full of misery. The soul who is eternal by nature is seeking that eternal pleasure (Ram) but in wrong place that which is temporary and thus the struggle. It is lust which later transform in to wrath is the cause of bondage. There is no easy solution; big yogis fall pray to these lusts? We all know beauty is only skin deep but the desire does not go away it steals the intelligence of a sane person. Goswami tulsidas was fortunate whose wife told him “if only you loved the Lord half as much” Lord Krishna says with constant practice one can subdue the senses.we must learn to discriminate between sat and asat, right and wrong, that which binds us to this existence or liberate us, or else punar punar janam marana. This is what Sankracharya had to say THE WORKS OF SANKARA VIVEKA CHUDAMANI SLOKAS 71 TO 80 71. I come now to a clear explanation of Discrimination. This will help to decide for yourself how to accept the real and reject the false. 72. Composed of the seven ingredients, viz. marrow, bones, fat, flesh, blood, skin, and cuticle, and consisting of the following limbs and their parts - legs, thighs, the chest, arms, the back and the head : 73. This body, reputed to be the abode of the delusion of "I and Mine", is designated by sages as the gross body. The sky, air, fire, water, and earth are subtle elements. They - 74. The first source of delusion is the body, composed of five gross elements (ether,fire,air,earth and water) and five subtle elements (sound, sight, taste, smell and touch). A combination of these give pleasure to the experiencer, the Jiva. 75. Desire is the strong cord that binds deluded persons to such experiences and holds them in the cycle of birth and death, progressing or regressing according to the inescapable Law of Karma. 76. Each sense is enough to cause death in any living being--moth, deer, elephant,fish or bee--hat to speak of man who has all five senses in full. 77. Some objects, more poisonous than a cobra's venom, can cause death when consumed; but the mere sight of some objects can cause death. 78. He alone is fit for liberation who is not enmeshed in these sense objects, and no amount of the knowledge of scriptures can save him. 79. The shark of hankering catches by the throat those seekers after liberation whoi have got only and apparent dispassion ( vairagya ) and are trying to cross the ocean of Samsara ( relative exixtence ), and violently snatching them away, drowns them half-way. 80. Desire is the great crocodile that confronts one who tries to cross the ocean of life, and one has to kill it with the sword of non-detachment . Lord Krishna says nirmana-moha jita-sanga-dosa adhyatma-nitya vinivrtta-kamah dvandvair vimuktah sukha-duhkha-samjnair gacchanty amudhah padam avyayam tat Those who are free from pride and delusion, who have conquered the evil of attachment, who are constantly dwelling in the Supreme Self with all Kaama completely stilled, who are free from the dualities known as pleasure and pain; such undeluded persons reach the eternal goal. (15.05) Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (The entire universe(s) together comprise God. So everything is God, and he cannot be limited to one form. So many forms are created/celebrated for worship. God comes in whatever form his devotee finds him appealing in, so there a billion possible forms of God. And thus, we have a billion gods, all representative of the One God.) Nice sentiment but this leaves open for people to exploit, and people blindly get mislead. Prahlad maharaj recognize god every where but when his father said he was god, he rejected that. We must learn to discriminate or else we bring disrepute to our Dharma. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (My friend is working in TCS(Tata consultancy services) He belongs to Reddy cast, He had received 1 crore as dowry, and in Andhra pradesh it has become a practice to take 1 crore dowry.) So when are you changing your cast? Sounds like Andhra pradesh is very rich. Who needs to work when there is a Reddy every where. RE ( Who cares for Gita? ) I do and most of the members of this forum. I am "readdy" to swap that crore for the grace of that recitar, if only i was that fortunate. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Pranam Saranathan ji I see all your argument hinges on claiming all the names belong to Narayan so much so that Umapati also has to be claimed or else whole of your reasoning falls apart when ever other Devas are extolled you would dismiss it, in this way this doubt will go on for ever, at least for you. A lot of people will see your argument for what it is. We all except Brahma creates, Vishnu maintains and Rudra destroys Lord Krishna clearly says in chapter 10 in Gita, I am the beginning the middle and the end and further in chapter 13 he states avibhaktam ca bhutesu vibhaktam iva ca sthitam bhuta-bhartr ca taj jneyam grasisnu prabhavisnu ca Although the supreme appears to be divided, He is never divided. He is situated as one. Although He is the maintainer of every living entity, it is to be understood that He devours and develops all. You are welcome to hold the view that Rudra is a Jiva. Either Rudra destroys the creation at the end or a Jiva does you have to make your mind up. If it is Rudra who is this Rudra? Claiming all the names for Narayan is appropriate only if he goes by different forms. That is why the vakiya of Vedas proclaims, Indram mitram varuNam agnim ãhuh, atho divyah sa suparNo garutmãn, ekam sad viprãh bahudhã vadanti, agnim yamam mãtarišvãnam ãhuh. They hail Him as Indra, as Mitra, as VaruNa, as Agni, also as that divine and noble-winged Garutmãn. It is of One Existence that the wise ones speak in diverse ways, whether as Agni, or as Yama, or as Mãtarišvãn. Why should it bother you too much, if as you claim all the names belong to Narayan, those who call the father and mother by those names will he not answer? Or do you think in this instance the lord will disown those names? Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (Latin Americans are loving and kind ,not casteist and regional minded and conservative like you. They have learnt lesssons in humanity) why have you lived amongst them? have you heard of the plight of street children? their sex and drug problems? i am not saying this does not happen in India, but hey get things in perspective. I do not know why i got involved here Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Dear Tackleberry you have a very low opinion of your country. Sounds like you are one very frustrated person, you care enough but can not see a way out of this huge mess the country is facing. So what are you doing about it? Do not forget we were plundered for more then 800 years. our education system was destroyed. Not so long ago we were the richest country every one wanted to come to India. If we are properly guided by our Dharma we will rise again just have faith. Please bare this in mind this world is no fun, does not matter where you are it is full of pain. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu For those who are stuck with hierarchy problem can not perceive the truth, it is rather sad for those who wants to see Lord Shiva as jiva. Can you believe a word, for those who claim all names belong to one supreme lord, just to prove their theory? Do they ever call the father by that name? No Re (To Me the 'ONE' who is Narayana is Siva and is Visnu. I see both. While appearing Visnu and while going back Rudra. He is Sivam. He is Achyutam. He is explained as neti neti.) I have always beleived this, you have done a fine job explaining it,this has add strength to my belief. Thank you very much. May Lord Krishna bless you and me and all Jai Shree Krishna Om Namah Sivayya

Jai Ganesh Pranam madhavji Kem che ? aa jagdo kaire matse? apna gujrat ma avo jagdo kadi sambarvama nathi aviyo. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (Dont say that GP. I live here. Here corruption has become so rampant that it does not evoke any reaction at all.) i do understand your problem, curruption is a legacy of brits.but do not think for one minute the corruption is only in India it is all over the world, except in India is very open. Re ( What wisdom are you talking about. India has nothing to offer now.) India still has the Dharma and its culture far exceeds any in the world.i do not wish to slag the country i live in, beleive me it is not what is made out to be. Re (I agree that India was a great country ,but that was a thousands of years back. Dont live in the past.) Think what made India so great? if the past is worth holding on to then do it.you should be the change you wish to see of Bharat that once was. Re (Here people are crazy. They take to the streets to protest non-issues .) this is due to our corrupt politicians. Re (My favorites are the Americans ,they dont slog and slog like Indians. Indians are such geeks who earn a lot but dont spend a penny.All they do is hoard and hoard . Hey,if you want to look at jolly fun loving people my favs are the Latin americans .Look ate all their festivals, so full of vigour and pulsating with energy. They also greet everyone with a warm hug ,though many of them live below the poverty line. They are the real heroes!!!!) dont be fooled by what you see on TV. Grass always looks greener on the other side. or if you are gujrati you will understand that (dur thi dungar rariyamna) meaning from far the mountains looks beautiful. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Pranam Sampath ji Re (As I said before, after completing his student-bachelorhood a young man must take a wife for the pursuit of dharma. The latter should dedicate herself to him so as to become pure within. The purpose of marriage is a life of harmony and the procreation of virtuous children" ) I am afraid you did not make your self clear, before you were advocating free lust. What you say now is pure and Dharmic, even Krishna says Bg7.11 balam balavatam caham kama-raga-vivarjitam dharmaviruddho bhutesu kamo 'smi bharatarsabha I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O Lord of the Bharatas [Arjuna]. 17.14 deva-dvija-guru-prajna- pujanam saucam arjavam brahmacaryam ahimsa ca sariram tapa ucyate The austerity of the body consists in this: worship of the Supreme Lord, the brahmanas, the spiritual master, and superiors like the father and mother. Cleanliness, simplicity, celibacy and nonviolence are also austerities of the body. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaskar Atanu ji nice to see you back Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (I see no hope for India AT all.) Where there is life there is always a hope, India has much more to offer then getting rich. Only India and the wisdom contain in it can guide the world which is heading towards its own distruction. Re ( All I see is corruption and indifference.) this is very sad, only education can stop this, but i have seen the change, every time i go to India there is less of it. Re ( Also the fact that we are now a nation of one billion is discomforting to say the least.The quality of life is extremely poor.) there is room for everyone,quality of life has improved leaps and bounds in the last ten years. even in the hardship i see people genarly very happy, they have time on their hand but in the west there is no time for anything. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Namaste Sampath Re (They escaped only since they saw lord Ram and Krishna in person.Hanuman did not die so this question doesnt arise.) No sir there is no question of escape, they knew Dharma they saw the Lord because of their virtue, there is no bases on what you quoted, it can never be a sin to be Bramachari On other hand Krishna when asked by Arjun what is the root cause of the sin he replied it is the lust, it burns like fire, never can it be satisfied. Re (Sex is god given,beautiful feeling.It isnt sin.Let us enjoy lust.Let us not make it a sin or abuse it by overusing it.Sex within limits and lust within limits isnt sin.For thoughts and feelings sky is the limit.) yes sex is natural but it is also a binding force. Human life has a higher goal. Ponder this TEXT 3 naariistanabhara naabhiidesham drishhtvaa maagaamohaavesham etanmaamsaavasaadi vikaaram manasi vichintaya vaaram vaaram Meaning Do not get drowned in delusion by going wild with passions and lust by seeing a woman's navel and chest. Bodies are modification of flesh, fat and blood. Reflect upon this again and again in your mind. 24 hours, 365 days. TEXT 7 baalastaavatkriidaasaktah tarunastaavattaruniisaktah vriddhastaavachchintaasaktah pare brahmani koapi na saktah Meaning Childhood is lost in play. Youth is lost by attachment to woman. Old age passes away by thinking over many past things. Alas! Hardly is there anyone who yearns to be lost in Parabrahman. TEXT 12 dinayaaminyau saayam praatah shishiravasantau punaraayaatah kaalah kriidati gachchhatyaayuh tadapi na mujncatyaashaavaayuh Meaning Daylight and darkness, dusk and dawn, winter and springtime come and go. Time plays and life ebbs away. But the storm of desire never leaves. TEXT 22 punarapi jananam punarapi maranam punarapi jananii jathare shayanam iha samsaare bahudustaare kripayaa apaare paahi muraare Meaning Born again, death again, birth again to stay in the mother's womb! It is indeed hard to cross this boundless ocean of samsara. Oh Murari! Redeem me through Thy mercy. Jai Shree Krishna