Ganeshprasad

Jai Ganesh This problem will go on for A person who thinks Hindu is a religion. Hindu is a way of life, seeking to explore the supreme brahman,various concepts existed in the vedic times and i dare say will exist in future. Unity has been a natural progresion,it is born out of mutual respect for a soul's eternal quest to seek the truth. although there are different concepts within the Hindus, there exists common approach both external and internal. Externaly we all go to same temples,worships the same Lord in different forms, and internaly we must transend the three gunas. Take Karma out of the equation and all the concepts and the meaning of life falls apart. People from outside calls this Hindu, most of us have no problem with this but someone who has taken up a part of this way of life, wants to be divisive Jai Shree Krishna The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

Jai Ganesh Re (if you are a ksatrya go to make some training... sword, gun, karate instead of coming in a forum to speak ) Maadhav has all the right to be on this forum and speak, all he is doing is warning us of the dangers that we are facing, Let us not keep our head in the sand. Of course you have your right to speak also. Jai Shree Krishna The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second

Jai Ganesh Re (Ganesh is destroying impediment, but you have to know He's not God, he's a powerful servant.) Since time in memorial lord Ganesh has been prayed to first, to remove obstacles. He is worthy of our worship what ever his position in relation to the supreme Lord. There is no need for you to call him a servant unless you are at same level or above him. You are welcome to practice your own sadhna there is no compulsion for you to worship lord Ganesh nor is there any need to change the tradition on your account. Jai Shree Krishna The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

Jai Ganesh As a Hindu we should always up hold ahimsa, that do not make us weak. Failing to protect ourselves does. I also find a lot of people trying to drive a wedge, creating a division, where non exist, between various pratices of hindu worship, a worry. if we remain oblivious to dangers we face, both from within and from out side we are deluding ourselves. Jai Shree Krishna The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

Jai Ganesh Jaya Jaya Hanuman gosai krupa karo gurudev kinayi http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/s/?q=hanuman%20chalisa&c=0200 Jai Shree Krishna The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

Jai Ganesh Our protest against tham is preceived by some as fanatics. how sad. Jai Shree Krishna The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

Jai Ganesh Re (i like useless arguments a little less than you... namaste) Why argue at all? Pranam Jai Shree Krishna The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second. Post Extras: Post Extras:

Jai Ganesh Re (--you are right, so do not do it.. i never do) Oh yes, so who said we could have been, worms in a dog? Re (--you need to read more carefully if you want to exchange ideas with people) i am ready to admit to my mistakes, it would be nice if you can point out. Re (--let us say better some remnants of vedic civilization) some is better then nothing.so let us protect whats left of it. Re (--because in india the dharma has survived a little more... now we are almost all lower class humans.. more animals than humans, all over the world) This is time of kali yug.but that does not mean we stop trying to be good. Re (--if you are a religious man you cannot avoid to help others... the thing to decide is what is the real need of living entities and how to fulfill this need) We try the best we can, we can not deside for others what is good for them. we can only set a good example. Re (--yes, it is upanishad and it has to be put in a context to be understood) I only used part of it as my signature tune, i cant help it if you do not like it.If you want to discussess this may be we make a new thread? The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second. Jai Shree Krishna Post Extras:

Jai Ganesh Re (--again i don't know why you are calling speculation to say a simple truth like we have changed countless bodies) I do not dispute the fact we may have changed countless material bodies, but it would be speculating to sugest which one we had even for the last life. Re (--natural but not good, we are conditionated rebellious came in this world to forget god, if we have the mercy to take birth in a tirtha or if we have the possibility to make a pilgrimage and to have the darshan of deity and vaishnavas, all is ruined if we are proud and if we believe to be something better of others) Personaly if i was proud and puffed up that will be my down fall.but to give respect and recognisation to others for their scrifice is some thing else. Re (--that the west is going to bed with pakistan is not a serious answer... maybe is given by some "hindu nationalist" politicians to plagiarize the poor people) Facts are there for everyone to see, it does not need a genius to work out who the west have been friends with. it has been in their interest to keep the two countries on logerhead,to serve their own purpose,the western country even reward the terrorist state,by calling them their allies. Re (--you have not made a question : "do the indians deserve respect?" otherwise i would have answered "yes, surely"... you have simply assumed that my answers were for lack of respect for this people.. and i have answered that you cannot read despise for india and indians in any word of my message if you do not see enemies everywhere when someone has a different idea from yours) sorry my mistake to assume, but you have not given any indication of your respect, you have tried very hard to minimise the contribution made by the people of india. Re (--so it is not right to say that we had abhorigen in the west when there was vedici civilization all over the world at the times of ramayana and mahabharata) I did not say anything like that, i said vedic civilization still exist in india. Why the west was called yavanas and malechas i do not know. Re ( If you mean this rama is of course already the king and these rascals governments are his instruments to make us suffer for the bad karma that we have to pay) Karma yes we have to pay no escaping that, so we take shelter of lord Ram, but we cant be indifferent to enviroment we live in or ignore it. Re (he is not knowable by perception, turned inward or outward,nor by both combined.he is neither that which is known, nor that which is not known, nor is he the sum of of all that might be known. he can not be seen, grasped, bargainined with. he is undefinable, unthinkable, in describable. --... from a material mind) We are in this material world these are not my words it is in Mandukiya Upanisad Re (the only proof of his existence is union with him. --.. no the proof of god existence is very easy, no need to merging (in this case god would disappear, we would remain (sadly) alONE in the universe), no need even realizing Him and remain eternally and blissfully his devotees and servants . God's existence is logical.. not difficult at all) where is statement of merging. proof of the puding is in eating, that is my understanding of the above Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (--there's countless planets and lifeforms.. it is very possible that we have been not indians neither humans at the mahabharata or ramayana times) possiblities are countless, no need to speculate. Re (--no it is nice and good for our spiritual advantage, but if we do not use the fact that we have holy places in the place where our body is born for increasing our national pride.. that's maya) If it is nice than the pride that follows from it, is only natural, Re (--karma.. everyone in this world have his disgraces.. but our duty is to be truthful and humble, or our karma increases) yes these are very good virtues, only we expect this in others. Re (--this is clearly not a serious answer so i do not bother to comment it) Perhaps you can tell me what is a serious answer? Re (so a little respect to people of that land that preserved the dharma against all the odds --this is your imagination created, as you have said, by your persecution complex) You cant use, my imagination complex, to answer the question either the people of the land deserve our respect or not, my alleged persecution complex has nothing do with it. Re (--the problem is that if you say that at the times of mahabharata or ramayana in india there was bharata varsa and monkeys in the rest of the world you are blaspheming vedas.. if you acknowledge the darwinian evolution even only for a part of the world we must accept that eternity is a fake, a lie and that the narrations of vedas are mythology) you have a nice way of throwing back at me which i do not beleive.read my words i have not any place said that. I do not accept darwinian evolution. Re (--of course, but spiritually he's eternally emperor because he's god, materially he was emperor many thousands years ago) You are not sujesting he has no jurisdiction materially any more? (--world does not disappear, world is a part of god, world is ever changing but is eternal like the spiritual world) you have commented on my signature tune, it is part of mandukya upanisad he is not knowable by perception, turned inward or outward,nor by both combined.he is neither that which is known, nor that which is not known, nor is he the sum of of all that might be known. he can not be seen, grasped, bargainined with. he is undefinable, unthinkable, in describable. the only proof of his existence is union with him. the world diappears in him. he is peaceful, the good, the one without a second. this is the fourth condition of the self the most wothy of all. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (--absolutely no forgetting... but do not be proud of it , at these times we could have been worms, mycrobs in the stomach of some dog in brazil.. now we can live at 100 km from ayodya, before we could live at 10.000.. so no reason to be proud) No point of speculating what we could have been. To sing the glories of the holy dham is no harm. To point out the facts, where it all started, can not be deemed as feeling proud, unless of course you are envious of that. It would be my good fortune if were to live in holy dham, unfortunately I still live 10000km away. Re (--maybe you have a little persecution complex... ) Well if I did it would not be without reason. Re (West is not spending all his time despising India) West is no friend of India, they would rather go to bed with terrorist Pakistan. Any way this was not my point of discussion. Re (but, as the opposite, sanatana dharma and harinama samkirtana is spreading all over the world.) Which is nice, so a little respect to people of that land that preserved the dharma against all the odds, should not be construed as being proud. Re (And if they were treating you as a monkey it would not be a reason to pervert history at your advantage.. ) Where did I pervert the history? I did not mean to sound in this discussion, as if anyone was treating me like a monkey (although that’s also a fact sometimes) My point was since Darwin has us believe we come from monkeys, and the west still teaches us that concept therefore I stated the west is making monkey out of us, I thought you would be able to see Darwin and monkey and read my statement in that context. Re (no darwinism.. bharata varsa is the world, pandavas and sri ramachandra were emperors of the world.. they're servants of god and god..) Sri Ramchandra is always the emperor of the world, that is why we sing his and his dhams glories. Re (not indian politics ) You are the one who is bringing this on. The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh Re (when mahabharata and ramayana were happening vedic civilization was all over the world) Very true, but do not forget,Hastinapur or Ayodihya was the centre.Still the Vedic way of life is present here despite many difficulties. Re (there's no darwinian evolution for the west nor for the east) right again, but the west is still trying to make monkeys out of us. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh re (to reap the benefit of invasions and aggressions.) This is what the inveders do. Re (isalm has invaded india. the aggresor invaders and their generations are reaping the benefits. we hindus have lost a lot over 1000 years. the agend of islam has not changed.) We can not blame the new generations of muslim for their aggression. also do not forget most of the muslims would be converted hindus, their ancesters would have been hindus. so it would be nice if we can bring them back to the family.their is no need to further alienate them. I do not think you are a fanatic, as others might want us to believe. you see a problem which needs addressing, otherwise we might become minority in this devabhumi. You are right agenda of islam as praticed,by the fanatics is not good for Hindus. Jai Shree Krishna

Jai Ganesh One I know is to follow the Dharma Followed by our ancestor. What i see today in India is the opposite. young people are more interested in following the west. Jai Shree Krishna