maadhav

praNAm ganeshprasad ji, good to hear from you. one day i will retire from this forum. i am glad that some hindu here do understand my points. i pray they continue spreading the truth, and keep making efforts to unite the hindus. deep jaltaa rahe. tej phailataa rahe. prem baDhataa rahe. sangaThan jamataa rahe. dushman darate rahe.n dharma jitaa rahe. ghante bajate rahe.n deva darshan hote rahe.n gita gaate rahe.n shanti phaili rahe. arjuns jagrita rahe.n jai jaikaar hote rahe.n

<< Hmmm ... I begin to agree with Maadhav that Caste problem is not as big as what is described. I have been watching Indian News reports (11 at night, every night in Astro - Malaysia) and I have not seen a single riot because of caste yet. >> malpractice of varna began when varna was determined just by birth,and then higher caste expecging respect from the lower, and not trating lower caste with due human dignity. this however did not do anything bad to the muslims or xians. while the musmins converted higher castes by force, the xians chose to lure the lower class by enticement. they the portugese did a lot conversion by brute force and violence in Goa. every riot in bharat is started by muslims, just for trivial reasons, and more hindus are killed in riots than muslims. no shudra has killed any hindu (or muslims) in riots. malpractice of varna is going away now, for good.

yes i know you the resident guest since years. << First do that, then worry about the politics of who rules what country... >> knowging/realizeing god take a long time, even several births. but you have to live under a gov. each moment of life. if there is poisioon smoke or chilli smoke you your home, you cnnot do any sadhana, and die. so, politics (who whoud rule devotees) cannot be ignored. it has priority. << Modern so-called Hindus want freedom from Muslims - first get freedom from the dictation of your own material senses. >> live in a muslim state and practice your chanting or sankirtana before poking nose in teh matter in which you undestand the least. if you are a krishna devotee, then that is because a vedic person - prabhupada - introduced you to bhakti. he taughty you that by saying it is not hinduism or a prt of it. this was like cheating a child to give it right medicine. you fail to understand it and keep singing and thinking youare not a hindu. well, islam will not keep you unharmed. you ae just as kafir as a hindu is to islam. if you are getting any time to do chanting or kirtana, then it is because a gov. and is police and military had make you secure to do it. so, thank them because you are under that political system. your message indicecty pushes one to disunite for political reason. but unity is needed. what is achieved by yoy Hks is beaue of the unity under prabhupada. so, try to understand. you aer not helping your mother-culture and its people. however, if you are so selfish that you personally want to get krishna and go to him without caring for the rest here, then that is your choice, not ours. we, want a "smoke free" home country. without it we have no chance to do any sadhana. this is simple to understand but perhaps not for you.

Love for the self Love for what is yours Love for culture Love for truth Love for god Love for serve god Love to serve matru-bhoomi These various loves of the people of the world create motivations to act in certain ways, and the ways collide and cross. Thus wars/conficts are un-avoidable in this material world. After the end of the cold war, the only fault lines remain that cause conflicts are between the civiliations, says Samuel Huntington. Now we need to identify who we really are - the vedic people, what is our home country - hindustan, what is our culture and dharma - vedic, what is ur persuit - the truth and live per the truth. what we strive for - peace and bliss for all, why we unite and fight if necessary - for preserving the vedic culture in the vedic land bharat. Please read short articles at below link. http://www.alamut.com/subj/economics/misc/clash.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/clashofcivilizations.htm It requires some intelligence to find out which culture is better for world peace, and all do not have it. so, even the good guys will get truuble from the bad guys if the good guys remain weak or act weak like gandhi. the bad guys only understand the strength of an iron fist. so, the good guys need to have it ready all the time. we use it only if it is absolutely necessary to keep dharma and check adharma or aggressions on the vedic culture and land and people. Samual Huntington is a professor of political science, not a saint or mystic, but he made predictions in early 1990s that are coming very true. let us hindus learn from his book.

<< I have no idea why Indian society emphasize on Gurus so much. >> because krishna says in gita: tad viddhi praNipAten pariprashnena sevayA upadekshyanti te GYanam GYAninas tatva darshina when one guru us genuine, then the vedic litrature says one to think: gurubrahmA guru vishNu gurudevo maheshvara guru sAkshAt parabrahma tasmai sri gurave namaH a serious vedic sadhak alwasy prefers to have guru. the shishyas unite under a guru. so when the gurus unite, then we get the hindu unity we need very. the probability of one's success in realizing god is more when he/she has a good guru, than if he/she does not have a guru. it is like you can win a court case with the help of a lawyer easily than without a lawyer. if you need teachers even to pass 3rd or any grade, you sure need a guru to get god. the scriptures describe the gunas of a good guru. accordingly one shoudl choose a goru very intelligently. if the choice is found wrong later, one can part for that guru.

caliph is a wrong word to associate with a Hindu state. in hindustan, those who are following anti-hindu religion, need to give that religion up. we need to help them do it. it is possible without himsa with unity, economic means, strength, improving laws, etc.

against islam, not muslims necessarily; and mostly educate the world that islam is not a good choice as a religion for any one if world peace is desirable.

caste is not as big a problem as many think. when pak was created in 1947, the shudras (the janitor class) chose to migrate to india, but the muslims forced them to stay, so that they coudl say that hindus are just good to clean the tiolets of the muslims. cast system is gog wasy, and i pray and wish that varna dharma be estiblished again according to guna and karma, and no one malpractices it. islam spreads mainy by child production like pigs, and by foreing money pouring in to sprad islam. also, islam is aggresive, and they are united and violent whereas hindus tolerate to avoid violence. xianity spreads because it also is aggresive and its methods are like military operations. they also use foreign money and manpower. both aim to wipe out hinduism or any one competing agains them. we do not have a few hindu preachers in each vilalge to keep the villegers united and hindu. Hindus who are rich need to care for the poor hindus by giving them jobs and treat them with human dignity. gurus need to unite, no matter from which sampradaya they belong. and form a single global hindu authority org. we are suffering because hinduism is not (so far) organized. consequently many who do not know hinduism nor practife it correctly pose themselves as hindu authorities and confuse others.

yes, however, hindus do need a safe and secure place/country where their religious practie is not challanged by any anti hindu. that place is hindustan, the cradle of the vedic civilization. if hindustan is not saved for the hindus, then hinduism can survice hereand there, but hoindus will get the kicks from the anti-hindus, and that is not the way to live; not it helps sustain/propagage the vedic culture. hAr hindu ke hridaya me ke tivra bhAvna rahani chAhiye ki hindustan hamArA hai.

a better question is where did Dr. Bhabha's plane vanish? if you can find the answer, then we can think of finding the answer to your question.

true. we need many brahmana quality people who undertand hinduism well, practife it well, and preach it well. and we need them united, and unite all hindus.

<< Yeah, put that's not possible, living in a democracy. Only communist countries can ban religion and they'd ban all religions. >> it is possible with unity. democracy is the gov. of the people, by the people for the people. if the world tolerates almost every muslim counry that has only Islam as legal, no one whoudl complain about only islam as illega in a mon muslim country. besides, hinduism is inherently secular, and so it does not need foreign concept of secularism imposed on it. we are sovereign, and we can make our laws as we want it to suit our needs. only god is above us; no one else.

or make islam illegal in non muslim countries. democracy and islam do not mix because: - democarcy is illegal per islam. - producing children like pigs and enforcingislam on them is dangerous for democracies.

to say hindism is same as other religion is like saying milk is same as acid.

<< Why cannot we dress up god in jeans and tee shirts? >> the nudists will ask why god or you need any clothes on the at all. do you have any anser for it? what will your mother say?

<< why Gandhi wanted to fight for freedom? Was it purely because he was thrown out of the train in South Africa? >> yes. initially he had no thougt of getting the brits out of india. he actually stuided law in London. << Or was it because India was not supposed to be ruled by a foreigner? >> no one is suppoded to be ruled (unjustly) by another in the god conscious society. <<.. is there any mention about what Ram Rajya was as per Gandhi? >> no. his concept just was that muslim and hindu live together and like loving brothers. Hindus tried hard like that for 1000 years, and no result. the concept of ram rajya - a vedic government on the vedic land - is from ramayana which shows how rama ruled. << Anybody has any thoughts on this? I am also not aware that once we got freedom, did he have a clear plan (or did he atleast attempt?) on how to form our constitution? >> no. he just did not want physical fights, (and at the cost of the hindus). << Did he want to base it on Sanatana Dharma? or Islam? or Christianity? or rather a much better religion of how he wanted it that beats all other philosphies. >> not xianity. but he just wanted indians to live in peace. as they were living prior to the coming of the brits. << I still have no hatred for Gandhi because from the beginning I did not have that much love too. >> actually i do not hate him. he did have some saintly qualities. but he failed to help the hindus in hindustan. he jsut favord the invader ideology followers muslims. i cannot find reason to live him as i love krishna and many other hindu saints who really were mahatmas. << To me Godse really had a clear picture of what he wanted India to be... this was surely based on Sanatana Dharma - the universal Dharma for all. >> i think so. after independece gandhi knew/realized he will not be able to keep peace between hindus and muslims. he almost resigned from politics. just became passive. he did not think of spreading bhagavat dharma even when prabhuoada invirted him for it. no hamatma does that. my only wish/prayer is that we hindus think more of krishna than gandhi.

very good response! Thanks.

yes, and also that vaali had a boon that woould give him half the strenght of his face to face opponent in addition to his own. cosequently it was not possible to defeat vaali in face to face combat.

from which exact source you learned that fiction please?

<< why should god who is common to all time periods wear the dress of people of the past? >> - god loes us all like a father does to babies. so , if babies dress godn in any kind of dress god will wear it happily. he doe snot mind, he enjoys it. - if everyone dresses god in different ways, then it will really cause confusion for the people, they will ask "who is this" each time. so, there is a useful tradition per scriptures that describes how god dresses, and we keep that tradition. that way all know just by the look who is who.

wish you luck. it is the longest way, several hundreds of births.

1. it is the oldest religion. 2. it is universal 3. it is more scientific than any other religion. 4. it gives maximum freedom of thought and action 5. it is most tolerant of other faiths. 6. it makes followerd skin color blind and race blind. a hindu sees far beyond skin color or race. 7. etc.

definitely. just make sure you do not disturb those who are asleep.

your subject line says that you believe in god, and that you know god follows the vedic culture. see, as we hindus know, god is not jealous. if you want to worship him in jeans and guns, go aahead, and stick with that sadhana. you and we and god all will be happy. would you do it?

according to the vedic literture, the best times for sadhana are teh sandhyas, that is: at sunrise, sunset, and noon times. of these, the best time is brAmha muhUrta, that is the time from two ours before sunrise to the sunrise. a serous sadhak does sadhan withotu fal at these times. however, there is nothing wrong to pray or chant at any time, except when you are excreating or urinating. chanting while taking a bath is common vedic practice. pArtha naiveha nAmutra vinAshas tasya vidyate na hi kalyANakR^it kshchid durgati.m tAta gachchhati say krishna in gita 6.40