Bhakta Don Muntean

Yes very nice comparison - I am sure that you see that even though satan is fiction - it still makes for a basis of contrasting 'people' - within western terminology - as you indicated.

Today's world has an undisguised problem with some western based propagandists - this post discusses some aspects of this propaganda and - its purpose. It is now custom to see in televangelist’s TV and radio broadcasts and leaflets and now web-sites - intolerance propaganda which declares - Hindus, Jews, Muslims [and other non-evangelical Christians] etc., shall go to hell - for not rejecting their ‘anti-christ and satanic faiths’ - to embrace the ‘true’ Jesus and ‘true’ Christianity. Yes there is a history with war and religion - and the Satan myth is a big big part of the fuel. When I think of the 'Satan Myth' - I like to consider this good Bhagavata Purana verse: "A rope causes fear for a bewildered person who considers it a snake, but not for a person with proper intelligence who knows it to be only a rope. Similarly, You, as the Super-soul in everyone's heart, inspire fear or fearlessness according to ones intelligence, but in You there is no duality." [srimad Bhagavatam 6.9.37] The concept of 'Satan as a powerful adversary of God' - did not exist in Judaism prior to the 6th century B.C.E. Babylonian exile. This is [partly] evidenced through texts that are ‘pre-exile’ such as - Isaiah 45.7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the lord do all these things" There was a wholly-evil figure within the Persian religion - the archetype of today’s Satan. In the Persian pantheon - the god Ahura-Mazda - was opposed [co-eternally] by a powerful evil being known as - Ahriman or Shaitan. This concept of a wholly-evil entity was integrated into Hebrew teachings [correlated as a tester] - during the 6th century B.C.E. exile - later over time this interpolated allegorical idea became distorted into the fictitious adversarial Satan of the New Testament. Two Old Testament passages - Isaiah 14.12 and Ezekiel 28.11-19 - have been advanced with much apologetics to provide a depiction of [so-called] Satan. Even though historical evidence confirms that these texts were addressed originally to the King of Babylon and the King of Tyre [in that order] - still many ill-informed people believe the false teachings that the reference is to the fictitious Satan. Let’s take a look at these two texts [of course there are many more]: Isaiah 14.12: "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" - 'context' is found in texts 11 and 20 - "All your pomp has been brought down to the grave, along with the noise of your harps; maggots are spread out beneath you and worms cover you." - then see text 20 - "you will not join them in burial, for you have destroyed your land and killed your people" - then again look at text 16 - "Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: "Is this the MAN who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble,.." As we can see [in proper context] Isaiah 14.12 is talking about a long expired MAN - not a fictitious Satan. In referencing Ezekiel 28.11-19 [which is an allegory] - it only appears that there is a discussion about - ‘Satan in the garden of Eden’ - text 13: "You were in Eden, the garden of God;..." In the footnote to this text the New International Version Translation states: "...The meaning of the Hebrew for this phrase is uncertain." We do know the text is about the king of Tyre - it is an allegorical text - nothing in the Hebrew understanding of this verse actually accepts it as an evidence of the existence Satan/Lucifer. Clearly these two texts reflect something 'very different' than a fictitious Satan - that these are the two oft most quoted ‘biblical texts’ to prove [scripturally] that there is a so-called Satan - makes no-sense without elaborate apologetics. Why do so many groups cling to this illusion - preaching that Satan is real - with all the ill-delusional myths which go with it? In the political arena this fiction called Satan has entered - with such dangerous features for all! It seems that most biblical extremists think that there is a Satan - and they claim that their enemies are acting on his direction and glorification. There are so many examples to be given - so let's just say 'without' those examples - extremist Christians [from various schools] and extremist Muslims [from various schools] and extremist Zionist Jews [from various schools] are converging in a global arena. It seems that these parties are all focused on a so-called end-times scenario [in differing capacities] - and this focus is [in the least] creating a sick propaganda from these groups - propaganda directed at the masses - in the nations in which each various group reside. For example - the propaganda regarding an Antichrist and a global satanic government - is heavily preached by evangelicals through all major medias. Their view is that a 'satanic revived roman empire' shall - 'devour all tongues and peoples' - through a global dictatorship. Clearly - global events are increasingly showing that the Iraq invasion/occupation and the war on terror could actually vary into some kind of ‘modern’ variant on the ‘Crusades’. When the ‘invaders’ are [brace yourself] shoving pig flesh and liquor into the mouths of [Muslim] ‘prisoners’ and making them - ‘thank Jesus for their lives’ [incidents in the Abu Grahb prison scandal] - we can cringe at the thoughts of what they might do to others - under the wrong circumstances! Or how about the violations of the Sacred Scripture of Islam - in a place that defies justification - a place called 'the gulag of our times'? Incidents such as these are not a good trend - in light of the proclivities of their graveyard consciousness. Really now - what an offence - to everyone - and that it all still goes on...!? What exactly is it going to take to oblige the innocent masses of the west - to envision - the hell that some in our western world are trying to induce everyone into? Indeed - there are ‘western’ based religious extremist activities which if left - unchecked - shall eventually arise as a direct menace to the innocent masses. What I am getting at is clandestine religious extremism - it has been said that - religion without philosophy is fanaticism and philosophy without religion is sentimentality. We can appreciate that there have been [variant grades of] extremists incipient from all faiths - it becomes more dangerous - when aggressive political leaders and religious leaders are extremists. Innocent minded people do not know [the reasons] that the mainstream fundamentalist Christian groups are [for decades now] widely preaching faith-based intolerance and hate. This ‘preaching’ has no place in a burgeoning pluralistic global society - their propaganda centers around a maledicted teaching of an emerging ‘world government’ - ‘the beast government’ - which they say is [at this time] the ‘European Union’ - declaring the E.U. - to be a so-called - "satanic revived roman empire". "Christian history boasts a long list of godly men and women who understood the mandate to act in behalf of Jerusalem. The list is too long to print here...throughout Christian history there were some who clearly saw this mandate. Some saw Israel's rebirth even before the Jews themselves were interested." - [bridgesforpeace.com] What was that?! "Some [Christian fundamentalists] saw Israel's rebirth even before the Jews themselves were interested."!? Many Zionist groups take political help from evangelical leaders [and their lobby groups] - thinking that these care about them [and middle east peace] - but the truth is otherwise - and they are more and more knowing this. Many people - including Israelis and other internationally situated Jews are well aware of the fact that evangelicals posit - grounded on a calculated and mistaken interpretation of Zechariah 13.8 - that there must [still] be at some point - a devastating war in the middle east - in which two-thirds of all the Jews - will be massacred. In their Armageddon Theology they passionately posit that the leader to emerge as the ‘peace maker’ in the middle east - shall actually be the so-called ‘prophesied’ anti-Christ. In fact - it is widely asserted by them [by twisting the Old Testament Book of Daniel and New Testament Book of Revelation] that the rebuilding of the third Temple in Jerusalem is to be brokered by this so-called ‘prophesied’ anti-Christ! They claim the awaited Hebrew [human] messiah is really going to be the 'Antichrist'! The evangelical propagandists and machinators have an extensive history of two way goading and manipulating of Muslims [in particular Arab Muslims] against Jews and in particular - Zionists. Thus seeing that their Armageddon Theology posits that the leader to emerge as the ‘peace maker’ in the middle east - shall actually be the so-called ‘prophesied’ anti-Christ - and that the rebuilding of the third Temple in Jerusalem is to be brokered by this so-called ‘prophesied’ anti-Christ - proves that evangelicals do not really care about what is best for the Muslims and Jews in the middle east - as evidenced by their constant ‘preaching’ efforts to stir up world war III in the middle east. Millions of Jews and Muslims [and an honorable ‘peace-making’ leader whom they shall designate as the so-called ‘prophesied’ anti-Christ] may wind up dead - but they don’t care - it will be good for sales of their offensive Armageddon books and videos - hawked on televangelist broadcasts and web-sites. The extremists in the other camps won't care either - in their minds - it'll justify their ill-extremist reactions. The eagerness of evangelicals to get a war going in the middle east - along with their vehement Arab-bashing and Muslim-baiting - must be evaluated in context of their belief in the nefarious Armageddon Theology - which dictates that ‘two thirds’ of all Jews shall perish in a coming ‘final’ world war. As noted - the mainstream evangelicals are waiting for this ‘war’ and will designate it as - "Armageddon" - with dangerous ambitions to cheat the innocent masses - into thinking that a so-called 'prophesied' "end-times scenario" is taking place. This will create even bigger disturbances - as many more people become suspicious of the qualified "Providential" World Administration that must soon emerge. Those that don’t properly understand biblical prophesy - but nonetheless embrace it and thus preach the evangelical propaganda - will then induce so many more who were even less inclined to search for truth to fight against a Providential "World Administration" - based on a blind faith in gross misconceptions of so-called "end-times prophecies". One area they will fight is real peace in the middle east! Republican America's apparently ineffectual 'Road Map' for a Palestinian Statehood cannot be [but most likely is] some ‘little revised' facsimile of the failed and inequitable U.N. Resolution 181 - [u.N. Partition Plan - dated November 29, 1947]. Their Road Map states: "...Parties reach final and comprehensive permanent status agreement...on the status of Jerusalem that takes into account the political and religious concerns of both sides, and protects the religious interests of Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide..." First - the foremost religious interest of Jews, Christians and Muslims worldwide - should be real peace for all those living in the middle east - otherwise - what is the meaning to their ideas of a far-away Holy Land? Can pilgrimage in a terror ridden war zone be transcendental? Clearly hindsight and a common sense rationality may [purposely] elude the Road Map coordinators - it will NOT suffice - neither now - nor ever - to offer each party 'a balance of land' - ‘split 50/50 with fewer broken borders'. It must be clearly understood that the central 'Jerusalem issue' demands Just resolution - once and for all. This disagreement on [the proper and final status of] Jerusalem cannot be ‘resolved’ in a manner that was espoused within U.N. Resolution 181. As much as they would like to hope and think that [even for a limited time] an "international Jerusalem city state" - is the 'best and most fair [interim] solution' - these same people dismiss [with calculation] that this scenario would be an untenable situation. We are not ever going to see any success with a so-called: "...Governor of an international City of Jerusalem [who] shall have the right to...make decisions on the basis of existing rights in cases of disputes which may arise between the different religious communities or the rites of a religious community with respect to such places, buildings and sites..." [From U.N. Resolution 181] Who cannot 'predict' the many ill-factional games that would quickly emerge within 'this' scenario - of course - a "dispute" of "sites" is a very predictable event - as are its consequential dangers and potentially [irrepressibly] violent outcomes! We must face the reality that part of the 'Justice' here 'naturally demands' that Jerusalem is going to have be again a fully Israeli City. This city is the Hebrew 'Spiritual Center' - or 'tether'. Indeed Muslims - in particular - can see 'why' it is thus important to Jews - through a comparison to their own 'Spiritual Center' - 'Mecca'. Will this reality [of a change for Jerusalem] be - 'need fully' concluded - "honorably" and through - "Justice" - or "dishonorably" - through the so-called leaders of the World's 'singular' Superpower [with their evangelical machinators] - cultivating a future 'need less' "Violence and Urban War"? The only course to see success in this connection is one that presents FULL Justice to the suffering Palestinians and - then 'historic move' of the 'Dome and Alaqsa Mosque' to its new location can take place - BEFORE the building of the third Temple can begin. We now see daily 'attempts' [by Zionist extremists] on the Dome and Mosque compound - and with all the other regional violence - it may end up that the 'clearing' of the mutually holy site of the ancient and Sacred "Dome of the Rock" [and compound] will take place with a so-called "Errant’ Rocket attack or worse - in a terrorist attack. Thus - if old Jerusalem is going to EVER see her new third Temple - then this Honourable "move" is the first step. If it be a so-called ‘Errant’ Rocket [or terror] attack which eventually get the Temple "building process" underway - then material nature and common sense logic dictate: NO amount of Diplomacy or Political Manoeuvring shall promote "Resolution" - what to speak of "Peace and Security"! When the Historic move comes - Israel, Great Britain and America [the original 'partners in this partition'] should 'rightly' and "instantly" pay out the Billions of Dollars needed to move the 'Dome of the Rock' and Mosque Compound - ‘Stone by Stone’. Move them onto - say 'the border of Jordan' - ‘there’ the Palestinian peoples must be - "Empowered by the World Community" [and (in real time) financed by the above mentioned three States - with 'other' international help] to create a NEW ‘State of the Art Capital City’ - THIS must be done for the Palestinians - they must now get their deserved New State. A State whose "borders" must NOT be marginalized into "a few miles" or into a "city-state". As noted - the foremost religious interest of Jews, Christians and Muslims worldwide - should be real peace for all those living in the middle east - otherwise - what is the meaning to their ideas of a Far-away Holy Land? So the idea of the illusional Satan is a dangerous idea and it has growing political significance. Srila Prabhupada the founder of the Hare Krishna movement wrote: "...This age of Kali [quarrel] will certainly be full of all activities of Kali [quarrel], but this does not mean that the leaders of society, the executive heads, the learned and intelligent men, or above all the devotees of the Lord should sit down tightly and become callous to the reactions of the age of Kali [quarrel]. In the rainy season certainly there will be profuse rainfalls, but that does not mean that men should not take means to protect themselves from the rains..." [srimad Bhagavatam 1.17.28, purport] If one has any real faith in biblical prophesy - then one MUST consider that for an Absolute God there are no contradictions - only diverse followers - who see contradictions. Scriptures tell us that there will be a multi-faith 'messianic' Future! One good point to consider is that we learn from Jewish prophesy that during the messianic age it shall be 'multi-faith' - consider that! "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it. 'For all people will walk every one in the name of his god', and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever." So we should think about Jesus' parable about - "many mansions in my father's house"...

The Supreme Personality of Godhead, who had many, many arms, first uprooted Hiranyakashipu's heart and then threw him aside and turned toward the demon's soldiers. These soldiers had come in thousands to fight with Him with raised weapons and were very faithful followers of Hiranyakashipu, but Lord Nrsimhadeva killed all of them merely with the ends of His nails.

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Yes I agree - the points in the title post are not correct! At best - it may be that Mother Earth and the Demigods are sending more bad weather and natural disasters etc., because they are sick and fed-up with humans on this Golam/Earth. Quote: First of all, Lord Narasimha killed ONLY Hirankyashabu. He did not harm ANYONE else... Reply: Not exactly - in Srimad Bhagavatam 7.8.31 it states: The Supreme Personality of Godhead, who had many, many arms, first uprooted Hiranyakashipu's heart and then threw him aside and turned toward the demon's soldiers. These soldiers had come in thousands to fight with Him with raised weapons and were very faithful followers of Hiranyakashipu, but Lord Nrsimhadeva killed all of them merely with the ends of His nails. So as we can see - the Lord killed more than just Hiranyakashipu. Besides that - we have no other information about the Eternal Activities of Nrsimhadeva - to say that He killed only one demon is to ascribe a false limitation on Him. Just thought you might like to know that.

"...This age of Kali will certainly be full of all activities of Kali, but this does not mean that the leaders of society, the executive heads, the learned and intelligent men, or above all the devotees of the Lord should sit down tightly and become callous to the reactions of the age of Kali. In the rainy season certainly there will be profuse rainfalls, but that does not mean that men should not take means to protect themselves from the rains..." [srimad Bhagavatam 1.17.28, Purport]

Peace Plan for the Middle East...continued... Fri, 04 Apr 2003 04:54:46 -0600 don <djkm@imagewireless.ca> pm@pm.gc.ca, webmaster@kingabdullah.jo, thomas.klestil@hofburg.at, press@president.bg, vouli@..cy, INFO@FIJI.GOV.FJ, office@presidpress.gov.ge, minfor@sdnp.org.gy, info@president.lt, webmaster@admin.ch, webmaster@primeminister.ministry.se, ambsec@bahrainembassy.org, mail@primeminister.gr, postur@for.stjr.is, miniszterelnok@meh.hu, posteingang@bundespraesident.de, presidentti@tpk.fi, webmaster@aras.irlgov.ie, mofi@uae.gov.ae, info@gov.ps, Apostolische_Nuntiatur@t-online.de, ioniliescu@presidency.ro, amghar@pm.gov.ma, beeldrecht@cedar.nl, stm@stm.dk, cumhurbaskanligi@tccb.gov.tr, poi_sug@rb.nic.in, saham@neda.net, paavo.lipponen@vnk.fi, inquiries@un.org, kfb@saudinf.com, embassyofpakistan@hotmail.com, dip@mid.ru Please accept my full respects: Forgive my bold nature - as an ordinary "commoner" - I still have a mind with good insights - PLEASE forgive me for sending this Message to all your addresses in 'one' mail out! Seeing all the 'undue' respect that will be [soon?] lavished though Intrigue onto Bush and Co.'s "Road Map" to Palestinian Statehood - there are some points to bring to your attention now: Bush and Co.'s 'Road Map' for a Palestinian State cannot be [but most likely is] some little 'revised' facsimile of the failed and inequitable U.N. Resolution 181 - [u.N. "Partition Plan" dated November 29, 1947]. Clearly hindsight and a common sense logic allude that it will not suffice - neither NOW - nor ever - to offer each party 'a balance of land' - split 50/50' with - 'fewer broken borders' - it must be clearly understood that the central 'Jerusalem issue' needs redress and resolution - once and for all - it cannot be "resolved" in a manner that was espoused within U.N. Resolution 181 - as much as they would like to hope and think that [even for a limited time] an "international" Jerusalem "city state" - is the 'best and most fair solution' - these same people cannot see [or is it a calculated refusal?] that would be an sure 'untenable' situation. We are NOT EVER going to see any resolute successes with a so-called; "...Governor of an international City of Jerusalem [who] shall have the right to...make decisions on the basis of existing rights in cases of disputes which may arise between the different religious communities or the rites of a religious community with respect to such places, buildings and sites..." [From Resolution 181] Everyone can 'predict' the many ill political games that would emerge within 'this' scenario - of course a "dispute" of "sites" is very a predictable event - as are its 'consequential' dangers and 'irrepressibly' violent outcomes. If Bush and Co. calculates that they can [now or ever] deal with the 'issue of Jerusalem' in 'this' manner they demonstrate little clear foresight - [if they proceed to do so in spite of these facts - it is clear evidence of a criminality of calculation...] - we must understand that a solution 'this' way cannot happen. We must face the reality that part of the 'Justice' here demands that Jerusalem is going to have be a fully Israeli City - will it be - 'need fully' concluded - "Honorably" - and through - "Justice" - or - "dishonorably" - through the leaders of the World's 'singular' Superpower's inciting of a 'need less' "Violence and Urban War". There will NOT be any real "peace" without a full and 'honorable settlement' of this 20036 day old Partition/Occupation - this 'Jerusalem' issue directly prevents this "settlement". So it begs asking; - where does 'that' leave Bush and Co.'s [yet to be published] "Road Map"? Seeing that Israel is now demanding "100 + changes" to their [non published] "Road Map" - is an indication that the 'issue of Jerusalem' has not been dealt with in a 'time sensitive' nor 'realistic' manner. Further - it must not be Bush and Co. who 'Initiates', 'leads' or 'Administrates' this "Peace Process" [for obvious reasons!]. When these 'historic decisions' - to bring the two 'equal' States into Secure and Peaceful coexistence are made [and it must be soon!] - these 'decision makers' must present a Plan to the parties which includes a FULL CUT AWAY from each other - there must be TWO "Independent" States [not that one is 'provisional' and the other is not] - with a 50/50 - 'non fragmented' - allocation of the territories [minus the city of Jerusalem] - a 50/50 share in water and ALL other natural resources - a 60/40 [israel gets 60%] share of existing national/international market and investment segments/sectors - and Palestinian currency becomes on instant 'par' with Israel's. Palestine must receive [without debt] as 'instantly' as possible - a comprehensive new "State of the Art" Capital City - and proper infrastructure - with international assistance to create full [supporting] Urban and Rural Communities - for two plus million exiles [in addition to the possibility of one to three million living within the Capital] - and there must be FULL 'Reparations' in ALL Respects... There must be an 'instant effort' in this regard - NO more delays - NO more 'false peace plans' - which do NOT settle Everyone's Rights... Bush and Co. are wasting billions x billions x billions - for an 'unprovoked attack' and 'calculated invasion' of/on Iraq - [after which] - they will expect "the world" to - 'bank roll the rebuilding' - when it was their criminal devastation and calculations of Iraq which 'created' the 'need'. So where exactly are the Nations of the Globe going to find resources to [do that and] create this "Palestinian State" by 2005? What if Bush and Co.'s - "Road Map" - to 'Statehood for the Palestinians' fails on their - "Plan A" - scenario - [whatever that plan really is - it will undoubtedly include an Order for 'representatives' from Bush and Co.'s crew to rule within the "provisional" Palestinian's State's government - it will be veiled as keenly 'needed' for "training" purposes - this calculation will be to marginalize] - thus one must ask - has Bush and Co. "invaded Iraq" - as part of its - "Plan B" scenario - is there a future possibility of a NEW forced 'partition' within Iraq [or perhaps Syria or elsewhere in the arab World?] - where all the Palestinians will be "transferred without delay" [by force?] - with so-called lucrative 'future' 'monetary settlements' and "empty promises" etc., - When one looks at probable long term reactions - one must ask these questions... I am not attempting to be ignorant or insulting - but we know that Bush and Co. are not now - nor later - going to solve any of these problems [or other 'global issues'] - to anyone's "mutual satisfaction" - NO - with full calculation they are now manufacturing and setting into action more and more intrigue - generations to come will suffer an unstoppable trend of displaced processes and failed resolutions - with none fewer than all hopes betrayed at each step - already this is the ill history of the last 50 years... Everyone's feelings of a need to act in "good faith" within these matters - shall indeed fall to all-time 'unreachable' levels. The "revised" 'New World Order' Bush and Co. has been forging - will become a direct danger to all - it is a [dis] 'order' of "Power, Wealth and Connections" - you must note that you've evidence of a very central threat through their intrigue and ill advances - one cannot deny that Bush and Co. are drawing complete designs to 'manage' 'existing Leaders and Nations' - additionally - they are planning for more - 'representational or "puppet" governments' in third world nations - which they'll control - all this within specifically 'calculated' global regions - i.e.: they already do have [as evidenced by the realities of today's world!] a strategic 'military and economic' control of almost all global locations. Clearly Bush and Co. are 'creating' problems for 'some' today - in order to 'calculate' "everyone" later... Please - you must all return to the U.N. and under the Wise Guidance of a qualified Leader - seek to restore our 'delicate' International Order [by resolving this real problem now] - which is more quickly dissolving - than is actually apparent... Your Servant,

Peace Plan for the Middle East... Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:45:58 -0600 don <djkm@imagewireless.ca> pm@pm.gc.ca, webmaster@kingabdullah.jo, thomas.klestil@hofburg.at, press@president.bg, vouli@..cy, INFO@FIJI.GOV.FJ, office@presidpress.gov.ge, minfor@sdnp.org.gy, info@president.lt, webmaster@admin.ch, webmaster@primeminister.ministry.se, ambsec@bahrainembassy.org, mail@primeminister.gr, postur@for.stjr.is, miniszterelnok@meh.hu, posteingang@bundespraesident.de, presidentti@tpk.fi, webmaster@aras.irlgov.ie, mofi@uae.gov.ae, info@gov.ps, Apostolische_Nuntiatur@t-online.de, ioniliescu@presidency.ro, amghar@pm.gov.ma, beeldrecht@cedar.nl, stm@stm.dk, cumhurbaskanligi@tccb.gov.tr, poi_sug@rb.nic.in, saham@neda.net, paavo.lipponen@vnk.fi, inquiries@un.org, kfb@saudinf.com, embassyofpakistan@hotmail.com, dip@mid.ru [Note: if your receive this message more than once I am sorry - I have had some issues with this mail out - it seems that there is someone who does not want this message sent!] Please accept my full respects: Forgive my bold nature and PLEASE forgive me in re sending this Message to all your addresses in 'one' mail out! We are on the Eve of global changes which are being improperly directed - as the "U.S." President - George W. Bush CONTINUES with his ever so FORGED - 'Coalition of the Willing'. We must gravely 'note' this tossing around of various RED FLAG Innuendoes within the "U.N." and the global Media - we must 'note' HIS pushing what amounts to global 'Veiled' Threats - that Bush and Co. - can and will without due consideration of the U.N.'s and the world's reactions - put aside the 'authority' of the "U.N." and gamble on - "going it alone" - with an 'unprovoked attack' on matters which are a clear 'diversion' away from the urgent and real Middle East crisis issue - all this leads to another dire point: It IS so very disturbing that the 'option' which Bush and Co. 'lords over' the "U.N." Security Council - nay - the world - is their myriad of weapons and wealth! Mr. Bush has been very openly 'mis' leading a "Peace Process" - he's been 'manufacturing' - [through intrigue and vote buying, etc.,] a very weak attempt at a 'Forced Unity' - one which will NOT hold... His approach to Global Peace is not without its - 'egocentric' duplicity - obviously this ill-push by Mr. Bush and Co. - in what amounts to a - 'manufactured policing role' - is a most ill-declared [to the world] unilateral position. Their actions indicate that the estimation of the Bush administration is that the "U.N." is now - "a useless debating club" and - "irrelevant" - what hope can there be down the road for the "U.N." and those Nations who DO honor it? Will Bush and Co. with their - "Coalition of the Willing" - accept that now ANY Nations can [and some will] claim that the "U.N." [and the Rules] - have become "irrelevant"? In light of this motivated 'diversion': The "real issues” which prevent concrete movements to resolution of our collective bad karmas within the Middle East are centered about - "Jerusalem" and its "Temple Mount" - in direct connection to 'this issue' - is the ignored criminal "Occupation of the Palestinians" - for the last - 20018 days. We must immediately get on with the fact that a REAL end to this Occupation must come NOW -- the State of Palestine has been too long 'stalled' over this point. Resolution must and can move forward – but how long do we evade this noted fact -- logic dictates -- if it takes Israel's new third Temple Site to make them settle these injustices - then so be it. HOWEVER - instead of “clearing” the mutually holy site of the ancient and Sacred “Dome of the Rock” [and compound] with a so-called "Errant’ Rocket attack... [in a soon to manifest urban war] – Israel, Great Britain and America [the original 'partners in this partition'] should 'rightly' and “instantly” pay out the Billions of Dollars needed to move the 'Dome of the Rock' and Mosque Compound -- ‘Stone by Stone’. HERE IS THE CLINCHER -- to move them onto the “*Judicious and Auspicious” border of *Jordan* – ‘there’ the Palestinian peoples must be - “Empowered by the World Community” [and (in real time) financed by the above mentioned three States - with 'other' international help] to create a NEW ‘State of the Art Capital City’ - THIS must be done for the Palestinians - they must now get their deserved New State. A State whose “borders” must NOT be marginalized into “a few miles” or into a “city-state”. Thus - if old Jerusalem is going to EVER see her new third Temple – then this honorable “move” is the first step – if it be a so-called ‘Errant’ Rocket [with more peoples displaced in a "Transfer"] which gets their Temple “building process” underway -- then material nature and common sense logic dictate: NO amount of Diplomacy or Political Maneuvering shall promote “Resolution” - what to speak of “Peace” and “Security”. In our world we are now seeing Mr. Bush and Co. needlessly attacking Iraq [who next?] - and thus he will be 'forcing the world' to spend billions and billions of dollars to "rebuild" Iraq - all the while the urgent creation of a State of Palestine will be ignored - because [in part] the World will then have not enough cash [and resolve] to solve a 5+ decades long Palestinian Occupation. Can we thus trust his "road map" to Palestinian Statehood - and Global Peace? When the State of Israel was 'declared' in 1948 -- there was a great deal of Wealth channeled by Americans [and others] to ‘Fortify’ this State - even unto the present day. There is NO doubt that our world must soon admit that “Security” is NOT measured through -- Power and Weapons -- but by the ‘Qualities’ of those Possessing them. A new ‘trend’ must emerge amongst those so "possessing"…If the truth is admitted – this global war karma – unchecked -- will very soon bring the worst calamities - to the whole planet – which some are “waiting” for and will call “Armageddon” - with serious intentions of cheating the innocent masses into thinking that a so-called ‘God predicted’ “end times” scenario is taking place. This will create even bigger disturbances as many people become [as planned?] suspicious of the “Providential World Administration" - soon to emerge! [no it's not the new world order!] There are many propagandists who neither understand nor follow [biblical] Scriptures - yet - they have entered the public/political scene with 'political motives' and intentions of manipulating [through these Scriptures] world politics [and peoples]. These propagandists will lead so many more people - who may be even less inclined to search for truth -- to fight against a "Providential World Administration” - all based on false representions of so-called [biblical] “end times” predictions! Not intending to be an alarmist - yet - this is poised to become [at some point] the most ‘unfortunate aspect’ of this matter! Today's 'generation' has a Duty to pass on this Planet to future ‘generations’ - WITHOUT - all the heavy baggage of a "Clash of Civilizations” karma - which is to be 'further complicated' by an "end times" political propaganda scam. We must know that we have little time left for collective action -- if we expect to even have a so-called “future” which reflects today's standards. We must see that now it's the right time – In this World we need *ONE [unified] and ‘Qualified’ *Leader of the Leaders* -- one who is NOT afraid to Rally and Fight for ‘True Global Balance and Justice’ -- NOT a ‘Region by Region’ ‘needs’ ‘MIS’-Calculation... Through “Providence” -- God will “assist” *this Leader* [who by this ‘proves’ himself] to reconcile all these issues – to everyone's mutual satisfaction! All the world's peoples are responsible to see that this Palestinian Occupation injustice is resolved - NOW -- without further chaos within the region and world -- we all must understand this... Your servant,

[i first posted this two years ago] Alas it's been long "published" -- and as suspected it falls more than somewhat short - the "Road Map" is seemingly unrealistic - FIRST; it's 'time-lines' aren't 'timely' enough - SECOND: there's the document's overt focus on the Palestinian's latest 'Uprising' - it thus places far too many of the responsibilities on the Palestinians - for the provocation, the violence, and - its end - before steps to resolution of the causative issues themselves - [the Road Map Plan avoids a delving 'deeper' into the underlying issues themselves!]. ---- Thus the 'semi international' "Road MapPlan" does NOT outline in any detail its purposed [resolution] methods - nor even present 'suggestions' on how the parties are to going to deal with these issues - [really it's a plan - without a plan!] - all we are told is that 'later' in a projected "phase three" [in 2005] there will be convened - an "International Conference", to decide the issue of Jerusalem and 'final borders' for both States [just see the pointlessness of a Plan which speaks of 'final borders' which we already know are going to have to be [as far as possible] a non fragmented 50/50 cut - and that's it, that's all!?]. ---- The "Road Map" Plan reads: "...a negotiated resolution on the status of Jerusalem that takes into account the political and religious concerns of both sides, and protects the religious interests of Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide...". ---- This Road Map is sounding like it's navigating into the general direction of a FAILED [in theory and practicality] U.N. Resolution - (#181) [drafted in 1947] - certainly not withstanding everyone's best intentions - an 'International Jerusalem' city-state will not be a workable 'Regional' entity! ---- A logical and fair solution - as outlined within our Peace Plan [in this string] suggests looking at these issues - within a timely manner - with a realistic regard to the Rights of ALL the peoples in THAT Region - i.e.: the Middle East Region - specifically, Rights of the the Middle East populations - to a 'peace and security' - certainly has precedent over ANY - "religious interests" [centered on the region] of 'others' residing "WORLDWIDE"! It seems a simple logical point? ---- Further the most important religious "interest" of - "...Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide..." - should be REAL PEACE for those living in the Region - otherwise 'what' is the meaning to their ideas of a far-away 'Holy Land'? ---- When looking into the past and future of these issues - we can see 'continuous adjustments' have been made by these parties [Palestine and Israel] to cope with each other - thus having at least 'that' as a positive commonality - here is a simple arrangement for them to consider serving as a basis for a fair concession: ---- "...part of the 'Justice' here naturally demands that Jerusalem is going to have be [again] a fully Israeli City...Palestine must receive [without debt] as *'instantly*' as possible - a comprehensive new "State of the Art" Capital City...". [*a "right of return" concession may be bridged through this Plan!*] ---- So within 'that' simple 'concession' - we see the 'direction' to a proper 'resolution' on this Jerusalem issue - of course our Peace Plan [which was sent to various World Leaders] clearly outlines 'how' this HISTORIC "move" should be undertaken - we see no point in suggesting a Plan without practical methods to meet its end! ---- We sincerely pray to God that these realistic ideas can take hold within the portfolio's of those leaders in all the right places - because if they are to employ any 'Road Map' to peace - there better be a Factual Destination...

QUOTE: Oh and DO recall Jesus and his angry outburst in the Temple of God - "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought (animals for sacrifice) in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves..." [Matthew 21.12] - Clearly Jesus' major angry out-burst was in the 'Temple' - directed RIGHT at this animal sacrifice activity. --- We should note the connection of what Jesus said that day - to prophet Jeremiah in ch 7. 7-11 [whom he quoted]: "But here you are, putting your trust in deceitful words to your own loss! Are you to steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, burn incense to Baal, go after strange gods that you know not, and yet come to stand before me in this house which bears my name, and say: "We are safe; we can commit all these abominations again"? Has this house which bears my name become in your eyes a den of thieves? I too see what is being done, says the LORD." Question why evangelicals tell you an interpretation of Matthew 21.12 that says Jesus was responding the cheating money changers. Of course we know that when one went to the Temple in roman occupied Jerusalem to sacrifice - one could not use roman coins [or others] in the Temple - only the coinage of Tyre could be used for the purchases - all other money had to be exchanged for that. So naturally - there were people who exchanged it for them. The evangelicals actually teach a subtle anti-semetic idea of them 'cheating'. In their interpretations they want you to ignore that Jesus was quoting Jeremiah ch 7.11 - and he and his contemporaries knew the 'context' of that quote - it was all to do with a form of - false worship. "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought (animals for sacrifice) in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves..." So in fact the second part of that is a confirmation - 'the seats of them that sold doves' - by turning over these tables - so no one could exchange their coins - meant interupting the 'sacrificial business'. That says it all! We should also note that he saw it as an exploitation of the poor - as the doves were for those who could not afford a more expensive sacrifice. Indeed it is also conveyed by the Prophet 'and' Jesus that it is a 'thieving' from God - to think one can engage in sins and later expiate them - by killing animals. Their interpretations aren't true to the whole and original context of the narration.

Here are series of postings I have made over the last few years - one site [arabia.com] where they were all housed seems to be stuck in time - November 2004 [u.S. election] so in any case here are some important related ideas to the title post of this string. NOTE: The person to whom this post was directed "ACTS10" is a evangelical who was stalking me on line for over a year. Quote: and bhakta_don (MUNTEAN) has made a plan...but God has made an unbreakable covenant and His will be done ---- Reply: HARE KRISHNA - Well "MY" so-called "Plan" follows a simple Logic and Dharma - [prove it doesn't!] - as outlined within the many clear 'Orders' of God, and within 'context' - as outlined within all scriptural traditions everywhere - of course 'you' are in a Stark Defiance against the real 'Orders' of God - you - [with blatant stupidity and/or calculation] - push-on yer sick and twisted evil CULT - one which has 'EVERYONE' - not "born again" - (sucked into your cult) - suffering in an - 'eternal' hell-fire with yer - FICTIONAL SATAN - [and with a calamitous global war before sending them there?] - We do know why YOUR CULT twists only a slight hand full of - 'out of context and misinterpreted' - "bible verses" into your 'Maledicted Performance Sermons' - we've discussed some of these points already and you've admitted it - Prophet Isaiah WAS speaking of a PAST king of Babylon and Prophet Ezekial WAS speaking of a PAST king of Tyrus - not your FICTIONAL Persian "Satan" - oh and yet again - them 'Garden of Eden' stories (which are oh so 'central' to 'your' salvation theory) [interpreted as an allegory by Hebrews] are a Mesopotamian interpolation - there are no REAL biblical connections to your FICTIONAL Persian "Satan" - in fact your Cult's doctrines of a 'mankind infected' with a congenital "original sin" - isn't an original Hebrew doctrine either - It is not even a Hebrew doctrine that the Hebrew's future "Messiah" 'should/would' 'die for mankind's< sins' - NO - the messiah will have a 'sacrificial mission' - to 'redeem' the children of Abraham of their 'sacrificial sins' - nope - all >YOUR< doctrines are Fabrications based on Misinterpretations - [your Cult's "doctrines" are a long time Generational Scam!] - your whole 'sacrificial lamb' connection to Sri Yeshua - is a very dangerous thing indeed - In Isaiah chapter 53 - which 'is' well accepted as a discussion of the future "Hebrew Messiah" [not Jesus!] we see that the Prophet has stated NOTHING about messiah's - 'death on a cross' - or - 'state execution' - [it does speak of a 'prison' stay - but 'where' this is - was not mentioned - we can be sure it 'will' be in Jerusalem] - In chapter 53 the Prophet is speaking of the Apostate Sacrificial issue - when reflecting on the 'future' Messiah [who's a mortal man - a Prophet of the Prophets, as it were - he's not 'God' in the flesh!] - it appears the children of Abraham's collective situation will come 'full circle' - by the time he 'appears' - i.e.: their collective 'test' [temptation] and final experience with him - will become like that of their original patriarch Abraham and his son Isaac - One can see from a clear reading of the Texts - that they will try to - "Sacrifice" - HIM - Text 7: - "... he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth." --- We MUST look at WHAT leads to THAT situation - and we can; from the clear perspective of the Prophet Jeremiah - as recorded in 7.19-26: - "Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces? - Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched. - Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put >your< burnt offerings unto >your< sacrifices, and [instead] eat [the] flesh. - For "I" spake NOT unto your fathers, NOR commanded them in the day that "I" brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning >burnt offerings or sacrifices<: But this thing commanded "I" them, saying, Obey my voice, and "I" will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that "I" have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. - But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. - Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day "I" have even sent unto you >all< my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Yet they hearkened NOT unto 'me', NOR inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers." ---- CONTINUED NEXT >>>> The truth is this bloody burnt sacrifice activity is NOT required - NOT desired - NOR EVER "Requested" from God - as we can clearly see - God states that these animal sacrifice practices come from - "...the counsels and the imagination of their evil heart..." - [and some lowest spectrum ancient pagan interpolations too!] - and 'that' is not hard to understand when looking at this sacrificial activity - so with the figure of 'Abraham' we see that God tells [tempts] him to - 'offer-up his Son as a Sacrifice' [as a 'test'] - which he then prepares to do - then God sends his agent - to intervene at the 'last moment' - then next comes a 'ram' caught up in the 'bushes' near-by - he [is tested (tempted) yet again] and he [fails*] and he 'offers' that 'animal' instead (*he failed only due to his simplicity - he must have misunderstood God's intent in his awe of the request) - so in 'this' we see the start of some interesting points - Did a spirit in fact 'TEMPT' him to provide his son as a burnt offering - to 'test' him? If so - 'was' it really God or 'someone' else? If it was God - what was the 'real' purpose of this 'test'? - The fact that this Abraham was living in an area where this false worship [through animal sacrifices] was very prevalent IS revealing in this context - we're told that God wanted to 'make a pact' - wanted to work with him -- he saw something 'good' in this man - YET God >needed< to teach him that "HE" would NOT accept the all too prevalent FALSE worship - centered about animal sacrifices - We also must think and consider possible latter revisions made to these early Texts - to support the Temple and its 'sacrifices' and of course its Rich and Powerful Temple bureaucracies? etc. etc. etc.,? -- So in any case we see that God does 'everything' to 'discourage' them out of this activity - yet some Prophets - like Moses made grave errors in 'this' regard - in his case - we see that Moses [as a leader] really ticked him off - I don't think it was because Moses claimed that he himself had brought - 'the water from the rock' - no - it 'was' the 'flesh eating' and 'sacrifice' activity - recall they even complained to Moses over their eating only Miracle Manna [instead of un-holy flesh like in Egypt] - Moses knew 'why' GOD took them 'off the flesh' when they were led out from Egypt - we can thus read [chapter 11] in the Book of Numbers to see the terrible 'plague' from God - following their Desert Flesh Feast of Quail - [there were nearly 'mountains' of Quail falling from the sky!] - and then the subsequent 'brazen serpent' narration - now think - does 'not' God say through Prophet Jeremiah - [that they've been doing these terrible things] - "Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt" --- We can also see that in many cases some of the [unrecorded and minor] Prophets were NOT respected for speaking-out with the TRUTH - like with the case of Jesus - they were 'oppressed' and later in Jesus' case - WORSE - of course we CAN see that God has HIS Plan - "I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them" - We can see that after their Temple was last destroyed - [as directly predicted by the Prophet Jesus] - by the Romans in 70 C.E. - the REAL Hebrews then later [rightly] became focused on only the 'Torah of God' and the 'study' of that 'Torah' - they did THIS in the 'stead' of their too long 'aberrant' sacrifices - do yer study - FIND 'who' is it that said [within the biblical scriptures] - '...the prayers of our lips shall be as Bulls in the last days...'? -- Oh and DO recall Jesus and his angry outburst in the Temple of God - "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought (animals for sacrifice) in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves..." [Matthew 21.12] - Clearly Jesus' major angry out-burst was in the 'Temple' - directed RIGHT at this animal sacrifice activity! You need to look at the REALITY of the things you read - No Jesus is 'not' the Hebrew Messiah – however, Sri Yeshua IS - a dear-most Servant and Prophet of GOD - who GOD himself dispatched - to warn of the impending destruction of their Temple and their system of things [status as a State] - it quickly happened as warned - in 70 C.E. - YES - the TRUTH is the TRUTH - neither you nor anyone can change it - NOT with ANY amount of Apologetics and Interpolations... Hare Krishna!

May Allah open your eyes: We all share 'more' than God: Srila Prabhupada has clearly noted the mature position: "...Dharma [religion] is the order of the Supreme Being. [for example] No one can manufacture state laws; they are given by the government. The simplest definition of dharma is that dharma is the order of the Supreme Being. Since the Supreme Being, God, is one, His order must be one. How, then, can there be different dharmas? lt is not possible. Different dharmas are created due to ignorance, which causes people to think in terms of Hindu dharma, Muslim dharma, Christian dharma, this dharma or that dharma. No. Gold is gold. If a Christian possesses some gold, does it become Christian gold? Gold is gold whether possessed by a Hindu, a Muslim or a Christian. According to the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, dharma means surrendering unto that Supreme Being. This is bhägavata-dharma, and everyone should be taught how to surrender unto God. God is one; there cannot be two Gods. When there is competition, there is no God..." Do you see how your spirit of competition means you limit God? Why should he be limited by us? Think this - in 'Bhagavad Gita' Allah has said this to YOU: "...that understanding by which one knows what ought to be done and what ought not to be done, what is to be feared and what is not to be feared, what is binding and what is liberating, that understanding is established in the mode of goodness. And that understanding which cannot distinguish between the religious way of life and the irreligious, between action that should be done and action that should not be done, that imperfect understanding, O son of Påthä, is in the mode of passion. That understanding which considers irreligion to be religion and religion to be irreligion, under the spell of illusion and darkness, and strives always in the wrong direction, O Pärtha, is in the mode of ignorance." [bG 18.30-32] Then we see this very important instruction in BG 18.66: "Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear." One last point from Srila Prahupada: "...So, here the Srimad-Bhagavatam gives a simple definition of the best religion: That religion is the best by which you can develop your devotion and love for the Supreme Personality of Godhead. How nice this definition is! You may follow Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam—it doesn’t matter. But the test of your success is how far you have developed love of God. If you have developed your sense of love for God, you have actually followed religious principles. Religion does not mean that you go to a temple, mosque, or church and as a matter of formality observe some rituals, make some donation, and then come back home and do all kinds of nonsense. That is not religion..." Please let us 'cooperate' for God - not 'compete' for Him! Then when Kalki comes at the end of Kuli yuga - in 400 000 plus years - we won't be around - to be thus kicked-out! Your servant, BDM

[i first posted this over the web two years ago] [This was emailed to world leaders as well] Alas it's been long "published" -- and as suspected it falls more than somewhat short - the "Road Map" is seemingly unrealistic - FIRST; it's 'time-lines' aren't 'timely' enough - SECOND: there's the document's overt focus on the Palestinian's latest 'Uprising' - it thus places far too many of the responsibilities on the Palestinians - for the provocation, the violence, and - its end - before steps to resolution of the causative issues themselves - [the Road Map Plan avoids a delving 'deeper' into the underlying issues themselves!]. ---- Thus the 'semi international' "Road MapPlan" does NOT outline in any detail its purposed [resolution] methods - nor even present 'suggestions' on how the parties are to going to deal with these issues - [really it's a plan - without a plan!] - all we are told is that 'later' in a projected "phase three" [in 2005] there will be convened - an "International Conference", to decide the issue of Jerusalem and 'final borders' for both States [just see the pointlessness of a Plan which speaks of 'final borders' which we already know are going to have to be [as far as possible] a non fragmented 50/50 cut - and that's it, that's all!?]. ---- The "Road Map" Plan reads: "...a negotiated resolution on the status of Jerusalem that takes into account the political and religious concerns of both sides, and protects the religious interests of Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide...". ---- This Road Map is sounding like it's navigating into the general direction of a FAILED [in theory and practicality] U.N. Resolution - (#181) [drafted in 1947] - certainly not withstanding everyone's best intentions - an 'International Jerusalem' city-state will not be a workable 'Regional' entity! ---- A logical and fair solution - as outlined within our Peace Plan [in this string] suggests looking at these issues - within a timely manner - with a realistic regard to the Rights of ALL the peoples in THAT Region - i.e.: the Middle East Region - specifically, Rights of the the Middle East populations - to a 'peace and security' - certainly has precedent over ANY - "religious interests" [centered on the region] of 'others' residing "WORLDWIDE"! It seems a simple logical point? ---- Further the most important religious "interest" of - "...Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide..." - should be REAL PEACE for those living in the Region - otherwise 'what' is the meaning to their ideas of a far-away 'Holy Land'? ---- When looking into the past and future of these issues - we can see 'continuous adjustments' have been made by these parties [Palestine and Israel] to cope with each other - thus having at least 'that' as a positive commonality - here is a simple arrangement for them to consider serving as a basis for a fair concession: ---- "...part of the 'Justice' here naturally demands that Jerusalem is going to have be [again] a fully Israeli City...Palestine must receive [without debt] as *'instantly*' as possible - a comprehensive new "State of the Art" Capital City...". [*a "right of return" concession may be bridged through this Plan!*] ---- So within 'that' simple 'concession' - we see the 'direction' to a proper 'resolution' on this Jerusalem issue - of course our Peace Plan [which was sent to various World Leaders] clearly outlines 'how' this HISTORIC "move" should be undertaken - we see no point in suggesting a Plan without practical methods to meet its end! ---- We sincerely pray to God that these realistic ideas can take hold within the portfolio's of those leaders in all the right places - because if they are to employ any 'Road Map' to peace - there better be a Factual Destination... Your Servant, __________ Lest one continue through with: "Thou hast devised shame to thy house, by cutting off many peoples, and hast forfeited thy life. For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it. {P} Woe to him that buildeth a town with blood, and establisheth a city by iniquity!" [Habakkuk 2.10-12]

"...And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all peoples..." [Zechariah 12.3] See this picture! So here is a quote [following biblical quotes] from the ancient vedic text known as 'manu-sanghita' -or - 'the law-book for mankind' - it is well and good to see the importance of these vedic manu-sanghita quotes and these quotes from the Bible: "'Go and tell My servant David: {S} Thus saith the LORD: Shalt thou build Me a house for Me to dwell in? " [2 Samuel 7.5] "Even them will I bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer; their burnt-offerings and their sacrifices shall be acceptable upon Mine altar; for My house shall be called A HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL PEOPLES. " [isaiah 56.7] "I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices; and thy burnt-offerings are continually before Me. I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he-goats out of thy folds. For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains; and the wild beasts of the field are Mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell thee; for the world is Mine, and the fulness thereof. Do I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? Offer unto God the sacrifice of thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the Most High; And call upon Me in the day of trouble; I will deliver thee, and thou shalt honour Me.' [Psalms 50.8-15] So now we have a basis to understand this: "He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he broke a dog's neck; he that offereth a meal-offering, as if he offered swine's blood; he that maketh a memorial-offering of frankincense, as if he blessed an idol; according as they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations; Even so I will choose their mockings, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spoke, they did not hear, but they did that which was evil in Mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. {S}" [isaiah 66.3-4] "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man-child." [isaiah 66.7] "For I [know] their works and their thoughts; [the time] cometh, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and shall see My glory. [isaiah 66.18] [masoretic translation] Now look at two quotes from manu-sanghita: "If he has a strong desire (for meat) he may make an animal of clarified butter or one of flour, (and eat that); but let him never seek to destroy an animal without a (lawful) reason. As many hairs as the slain beast has, so often indeed will he who killed it without a (lawful) reason suffer a violent death in future births."

I am pleased that people are seeing this! May Krishna Bless and Protect them!

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Hari Bolo! Quick question? Quote: <font color="red"> </font color> even in mahabharata it was clearly written that though the age of kaliyuga is 4,32,000 years but it will get reduced to 5,000 years due to human's evil activities over the earth Reply: Could you please give us the quote? Hari Bolo! Thanx!

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CITIZENS OF SASKATCHEWAN HAVE LOST LEGAL AND HUMAN RIGHTS TO SGI On June 05, 2002 I attended to a DENTIST in Regina Saskatchewan [Canada] and the following INJUSTICE took place: “…As I [Don Muntean] arrived to the dental chair I noted that all the dental instruments etc., were already in place and after brief introductions - YOU [Dr. NAME REMOVED FOR NOW [then] at NAME REMOVED FOR NOW] administered a local into my palate near the extraction site - telling me that it was - ‘a very good product’ – [stating that the particular brand used worked well to eliminate bleeding] – we then discussed the use of N2O [nitrous oxide] and I was told by YOU that YOU did not wish to use N20 – stating I - ‘should be fully aware’ - for this procedure. We then discussed a prior extraction [of a similar upper tooth on the right side] – that that dentist [different clinic] was very easily able to remove that tooth whole – I then asked if I could have the extracted tooth and YOU [while looking at me with some peculiar attending behaviors] stated – ‘we will see’. During the next eight to ten minutes - while ‘waiting for the local to take effect’ – YOU and YOUR assistant went [a short distance] to the back of the clinic – where I observed a wall - open on the right – YOU and YOUR assistant were standing at the open end of this ‘wall’ - talking to [NAME REMOVED] and - looking out at me. A moment [or so] later I noticed that some outside light appeared behind the wall – [apparently when a rear door was opened] – at that point YOU and YOUR assistant and [NAME REMOVED] - disappeared behind the wall - a moment later - the outside light disappeared [apparently when the door was closed] and then yet another moment later – YOU and YOUR assistant returned to the dental chair – and [NAME REMOVED] - was not seen again! As YOU and YOUR assistant were walking the short distance toward the chair – I noted YOUR assistant was carrying a stainless steel dish containing a pair of flexible tweezers and two white spheres around the size of a pea [rolling around noisily like marbles in the dish] – YOUR assistant then held the dish right out in-front of me - YOU took it from her and placed it somewhere on the counter - behind the chair. Then YOU commenced to extract the decaying tooth – the tooth was not badly decayed and could have been easily extracted whole – instead YOU moved it slightly back and forth – after failing to drill a ‘crevice along the gum line’ so as to have something to grip onto. YOU then claimed that YOU would have to crush my tooth and drill it out - YOU thus used your dental pliers to quickly crush my tooth – followed with extensive drilling - for around fifteen minutes – I became aware that this included drilling into the area over the tooth [ultimately you were drilling into the sinus area] - to the left of the extraction socket. Following YOUR excessive drilling – recall that YOU stated there wasn’t any bleeding at all to speak of! Then YOU picked up the stainless steel dish noted earlier [i heard the spheres rolling around again - as it was handed to the assistant] and handed it to YOUR assistant who then again - held it out in front of me – under my face. YOU then reached for the flexible tweezers [within the dish] and at this point YOUR hand was trembling badly – YOU then reached into the dish with the flexible tweezers to grasp the first sphere - as YOU lifted it out [trembling and grasping it with excessive pressure] I observed that it was indeed white, solid and, semi-glossed - around the size of a pea – due to the position of the sphere in the tweezers and the excessive pressure of the flexible tweezers upon the smooth solid round surface – the sphere popped out of the tweezers – and it fell to the floor and bounced a couple of times - rolling to the baseboard at the right of the chair. I then sat fully upright in the dental chair and asked YOU what it was - as YOU reached for the second sphere YOU quickly stated that it was - ‘for clotting’. I again sat back [silently questioning YOUR excuse - considering the lack of any bleeding - due to the so-called ‘very good local’ YOU administered!] – YOUR hand still shaking - YOU [supposedly] placed the second sphere into the open extraction socket with the tweezers - [actually it was placed into the LOWER SINUS over the tooth right next to the open socket] – this was quickly followed by packing gauze within the extraction socket – I was told to leave the gauze pack in place…I then left the dental chair and looking down at the first white sphere - which had fallen to the floor – while I walked by it; I wondered what it really was and where it really came from…” Dear Fellow Citizens: In Saskatchewan we have a GOVERNMENT INSURANCE COMPANY with an IN-HOUSE INVESTIGATION DEPARTMENT called the SIU – This company known as SGI has been creating a massive computer DATA BASE – with EXTENSIVE INFORMATION on each and every person within this Province [not just insured drivers] – YOU NEED TO ASK - what EXTENSIVE INFORMATION does SGI’s DATA BASE contain about YOU and YOUR loved ones? – SGI and the NDP Government is secretly INVESTIGATING into YOUR LIFE – Did YOU know that residential wiretaps are now a routine procedure with SGI [with the assistance of the Provincial Justice Department] – Dear Friend - YOU owe it YOURSELF [and your loved ones] to know what is going on within this Province and to speak-out about losing YOUR RIGHTS - Please SPEAK-OUT to our TEMPORARY administrators and government leaders [so-called servants of the people?] – It is time for us to reform SGI and end their making of ‘hopeless hostages’ of the citizens in this Province – All it took [for me to have this problem] was being hit by a car and then subsequently – a four year [now six] fight with SGI [over fair compensation] that ultimately led to MY being covertly Implanted with a Surveillance Device by a Dentist – SGI has destroyed hundreds and even thousands lives and – they continue to - each day – Please CALL your MLA and complain about this NOW – If SGI continues their SPY ‘program’ any longer - YOU too may have to say ‘good-bye’ to all YOUR RIGHTS. CALL Saskatchewan’s Premier LORNE CALVERT - at: 787.9433 - or - his Chief of Staff - at: 787.1910 - and let this so-called ‘leader’ know that YOUR RIGHTS are important and that an SGI without REAL REFORMS - is simply not acceptable. PLEASE do ask why he appointed the same person [NAME REMOVED FOR NOW] as the POLICE COMMISSIONER and SGI’s CEO [Chief Executive Officer] [this ‘appointment’ lasted until Mr. Cody was arrested in a drunk driving incident in 2003] Ask Lorne Calvert if he has any other ‘conflict of interest’ “appointments” heading the crowns, commissions and public departments - which the public should know about – Please share this flyer with others and consider that - The only thing worse than an Insurance Company – is a Government Insurance Company - Thank-you!

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