Avinash

Let us first understand how to pronounce sh of shree. Make your tongue lightly touch the lower palate (palate just behind teeth) and then pronounce sh. Keeping tongue in that position pronounce sh and immediately after that r in such a way that the two sounds appear as conjoined.

 

Radha plus Krsna= Radhakrsna( Fusion). The energies when merged generates light/heat.

Radhakrsna when split by a colliding atomic particle= Radha...Krsna(Fission). The energies released is like an exploding atomic bomb.

 

In fusion also energy is released, as in hydrogen bomb.

 

If king Dasarath had a daughter, why she never came into highlight throughout Ramayana?

 

She is mentioned in Baal-Kand of Valmiki Ramayan. Ramayan contains more details of her husband (Rishyashring) than her. Rishyashring was the one who did the yajna after which the four princes were born.

Kamren. Let me know the pronunciation, then I can write it in Sanskrit. I guess Kam is pronounced like cam (of camera) and ren is pronounced like rain. Let me know if this is correct.

What is this 'q' And 'a' And 's'? Do you want translations of single letters?

Yes, that is true. Rama had an elder sister named Shanta. Dashrath was her biological father but Dashrath gave her to his friend Romapad. Thus Romapad brought her up. Shanta's husband was sage Rishyashring. Rishyashring was the chief priest, who conducted the yajna after which Ram, Bharat, Laxman and Shatrughan were born.

As of now, I neither agree nor disagree with what Theist's point is. I am just discussing on it with him considering it as logical possibility.

I am going through that BBT link that you posted.

So, you are saying that we are in Golok. We feel we are on Earth because we dream of being on Earth. What about those living in Vaikunth? Are they really in Vaikunth or are they in Golok and dreaming of being in Vaikunth?

 

P.s. I hope Theist is not offended by using him as an example

On the contrary, I think he must be feeling very proud and elated that he is being used as an example.

 

But what about the idea that we in reality never were factually in the material world at all. best example in when we wake up from a dream of being chased by a tiger through the jungle and realize we really are safe at home on our sleeping mat. The whole idea of the dream world is gone in a flash.

 

The other residents were not dreaming your dream have no conception at all of your dream world and don't see you in any jungle at all. Presently you are with them as you always were.

 

So, let us consider the possibility that we are still in spiritual world but dreaming ourselves to be in material world. Those who are in Golok at present are not dreaming but we are dreaming. Suppose those residents look at what you are doing in 2007. What do they see? They see that you are dreaming. Of course, they are not dreaming. But they see you dreaming. They see that you are factually in spiritual world but you are dreaming of being in material world.

 

If we are factually not in material world and we are only dreaming to be in material world, then is it possible that material world does not even exist in fact? Its existence is merely a dream?

What happens to the knowledge they had before they entered Golok? Does that knowledge get wiped out?

I agree that Golok is land of love. I never said it is land of knowledge. I can see with my eyes what is happening on my monitor at present. It does not mean that I am very good at speculative knowledge. Likewise, residents of Golok can see various points in time even though they have thrown off speculative knowledge.

 

Interesting 'viewpoint' but when thiest is in Goloka, is he really going to care what material body he was in 2007?

He may not care but he will be able to see when he is doing in 2007. If he does not want to see, then he will not but he will be able to. For example, if I want I can right now see what is happening behind me. All I have to do is just look back. But if I do not want to see, I will not.

 

 

After all, he has had billions of them.

He can see any of these billions as he wishes.

 

 

Isn't the eternal 'present' beyond the concept of past, present and future in the material world?

It is different in the sense that one is able to observe all points in time axis unlike in the material world where we can see only one point at any given moment.

 

 

Which means thiests' Krishna Consciousness will have no interest in what he was in the past in the material world, nor the future in the material world because Thiests is too absorbed in his devotional service in his 'present' to Krishna. Such loving service, thinking of the object of ones love and service, does not allow him the memory of past, present and future of the material world and its bye product of decay, forgettfulness, changing bodies, to exist. Why would he want to remember 'that which is not' (Maya)?

He will not need to remember. He can see. Whatever you are seeing at present, is it because of any remembrance of past incident? No, because you are seeing it at present. Likewise, when Theist will be in Golok, then he will be able to see the events at various points in time - no need to remember.

 

 

However if Thiests looks up into the Spiritual Sky, he will see a dark cloud but that cloud (mahat-tattva) will only remind him possibly (we do not know Thiests eternal realationship with Krishna) simply of Krishna's complextion (the color of a monsoon cloud)

When Theist is in Golok, then there is no need of anything to remind him of anything. He can see what is happening at any time coordinate.

 

Interesting and enlightening Avinash. Not sure if I agree with goloka vision part but not sure I disagree either. Not sure even if I understand it properly. But it is worth serious prayerful consideration.

 

Here is what I was thinking when I wrote that:-

Sometimes it so happens that it is dark. We feel that somebody is hanging from a wall and he is moving his feet. We switch on lights. We find that it is not any human being but the feet of a trousers moving. We say that we were in illusion because of darkness. When there is light, then the illusion is gone.

 

Now consider this material world. The very fact that we are not liberated proves that we are still in darkness(meaning ignorance). Therefore, we are in illusion. Mistaking trousers as some human being is "illusion within illusion". When we are in Golok, then we are in knowledge and therefore no illusion.

 

When we swtich on lights, then we come to know that it was not a human being but a clothe. So, our perception of that object(clothe) now is different from what it was when it was dark.

 

Likewise, is it not possible that our perception of our current life at present will be different from what it will be when we will be in Golok? Our perception of the clothe is more accurate when lights are switched on. Can't we say that our perception of the current life in this material world will be more accurate (or may be completely accurate) when we reach Golok?

 

This problem is only solved with the elimination of our notions of past present and future.

 

Here is how I understand it. In this material world, we have space and time coordinates to describe an event. We can observe various points in space but our senses are limited in such a way that we can observe only one point in time. To give an example, when I look at the wall in front of me, then I can see various points on that wall. This is what I mean by saying that we can observe various points in space. But when I can observe things at 8 PM of 21 Nov 2007, then I cannot observe events at any other time. This is what I mean when I say that we can observe only one point in time.

Because we are able to observe only one point in time, we have the notions of past, present, and future. The point in time that we can see is called as present, the points which we cannot see but remember having seen belong to past and the points yet to be observed belong to future.

 

Consider a world whose inhabitants are conditioned to see only one point in time and only one point in space at any given moment. They will have notions of past, present, and future for both space as well as time unlike us who have such notions only for time.

 

The residents of Golok are able to see various points in both space and time. Therefore, there is no notion of past, present, future there.

 

In 2007, you are in this material world. Suppose that in 3007, you are in Golok. What will those who are in Golok before you think about your location in 2007?

 

I feel that they will say, "Theist is on Earth in 2007. He is in Golok in 3007."

It is important to note the word "is" and not "was" even when talking about 2007. They need not use past tense because they can see all time instants.

Will they say that "Theist is in Golok in 2007"? They will provided they treat Earth also as part of Golok. This is what I also feel. I feel that when you go to Golok, you will be able to see (not video recording but directly see) what you are doing on Earth. Since you can see that, you will think that you are in Golok in 2007.

I have read that Bhisma recognized Arjuna when the war started. Bhisma said it to others. This means Karna knew that it was Arjuna.

Yes, it is true that most of the warriors fainted. But who made them faint? It was Arjuna. Why was Karna not able to make Arjuna faint?

Did Arjun ever use the art of taking aim on the basis of sound?

As I understand, according to Gaudiya Vaishnavism, there are genders in Goloka. Brahm Vaivart puran talks of gopas and gopis in Goloka.

Did Laxman really live without food for 12 years? Did he not eat anything in these 12 years?

He must have eaten roots and fruits in the jingle.

Thanks. But I was talking about the Ram-Ravan war in which Indrajit goes into hiding and showers various lethal weapons on Ram and Laxman. The arrows shot by him turn into snakes and these snakes cover the bodies of Ram and Laxman completely.

If Rama knew sonic archery, then why did he not attack Indrajit when Indrajit became invisible?

Oops sorry. After making the above post, I noticed that Ganesh Prasad already gave the answer.

 

Queen of Hastinapura, the chaste and wonderful wife of Dhritarasta whose name escapes me now in my old age...

 

Her name was Gandhari.

Thanks. In Ramayan, Mahabharat and Puranas I am aware of only two stories in which somebody displays his knowledge of "shabd bhedi baan" - one of Dashrath and another of Eklavya. I am interested in knowing other stories in which somebody displays this knowledge.