Maitreya

ex? For his sake I hope he didn't whine about it.

What use in calling myself a Christian, Vaisnava, Muslim or anything else unless I am ready to renounce the conceptions of this world? If I do accept these labels upon myself as a another designation of this world then the term so-called can rightly be applied to me. If everyone that claimed to be a discple of Christ or Caitanya and His devotees actually was the world would have a totally different appearance. Let's not pretend. It doesn't help us.Most of us are so-called followers.We are improving and progressing towards the ideal but we may have a long ways to go.Let our lives as a whole declare our faith and not just our lips or the button on our lapels.Christ never called Himself a Christian and neither did His followers.Outsiders called them Christians when they saw how their lives were resembling Christ. From The American Heritage Dictionary: Christian- manifesting the qualities or spirit of Christ,also one who lives according to the teachings of Jesus. MC

Nair wanted to contest and cheat Krishna but Krishna is the greatest game player.He simply reclaimed his life air.Check mate. MC [This message has been edited by Maitreya (edited 06-17-2001).]

Yes and Jesus had Judas.And a great list of fanatics who have done horrors in his name after that. Muhummad has scores of people even today bombing in his name[see the world review forum]. What world teacher doesn't have such people commiting atrocities while disquised as their followers? Fly or the bee,which one is me? YS MC

Mr.Nair was fortunate that the devotee thought of him at all.There he was trying to cheat the progressive movement of Lord Caitanya and he was checked by Krishna from committing further insults.He was shown mercy. Afterall death is certain in any case.

So Einstein is correct, in that our problem is identifying with the actions and reactions of our material forms. I wonder how clear he was on the nature of the one who is falsley identifying.

Dharma, I am finding that the message of Christ is Bhakti and not salvation.He taught and exemplified Bhakti only."Not my will but Thy will be done".100% service in love. The so-called Christians of today are mostly salvationists.Of course all of us that are stuck in the modes are in some degree desiring salvation even though philosophically we may be able to conceptualize past it.Presently I see myself as suffering and want it to end so I can't take a superior position to them. YS MC

shvu, I understand that would be your definition of a vaisnava as you are coming from an impersonalistic perspective. Here is where I get my definition. So this is the definition I will stick with. Satyaraja, I can't understand what you are saying in your post.Sorry.You seem to be saying that their is no distiction between Krishna and His effulgence.I see oneness and distinction. Perhaps shvu had won you over to his side afterall. Hare Krishna MC

Jesus said: "In our Fathers' Kingdom there are many mansions.." edit: Whoops. Forgot the word Kingdom first time. One God many names. [This message has been edited by Maitreya (edited 06-13-2001).]

kailasa, I find this very interesting.Are you saying that Lord Caitanya or His devotees travel in Vaikuntha to increase the realizations of the residents there to more intimate levels?

Any Hare Krishna's in France that feel threatened?Let us here from you.

Are there no torn clothes lying on the common road? Do the trees, which exist for maintaining others, no longer give alms in charity? Do the rivers, being dried up, no longer supply water to the thirsty? Are the caves of the mountains now closed, or, above all, does the Almighty Lord not protect the fully surrendered souls? Why then do the learned sages go to flatter those who are intoxicated by hard-earned wealth? Srimad Bhagavatam 2.2.5

I was also surprised.We all can disagree from time to time and still keep it civil.

Bhaja Sri Krishna Caitanya Prabhu Nityananda Jaya Advaita, Gadadhar,Srivasadi Gaura Bhakta Vrinda Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

That's a good one alfa1.I don't know the first thing about science.Just the idea of Einstein's theory on relativity being relative. MC

That was a very powerful story Gauracandra.

Satyaraja how are we to take that story?I am left with the picture of two people in Vaikuntha who don't want to be there.How can that be? Somewhere along the trip there must be a change of heart. Of course, what ever is gained in devotional service is never lost. I don't mean to be offensive to the Padma Purana, so please help me understand this story in a fuller way. Thanks MC I mean why preach and try to attract people to KC? Why not just sprinkle everyone with Yamuna water whether they like it or not and send them home? [This message has been edited by Maitreya (edited 06-12-2001).]

I brought this up in another forum and got an angry response. Some Christians think that by undergoing a baptismal rite that they are now secure in their spiritual fate. Similar to that some think that undergoing a fire sacrifice guarantees them eternal discipleship staus irregardless of what they do. The difference may be reincarnation is added.So in this scenario the spiritual master has to keep coming to back to find you irregardless.Birth after birth. We forget the two way nature of the realationship.And that the purpose is to help us develop a change of heart at the most core level.A process that the disciple must keep sincerely engaging in. The Christians are most unclear on what 'saved' is.Saved from what we ask?Saved from hell they answer.Well, hell is desiring apart from Krishna's[God's] desire.So we must be saved from our very core. It's the serving two masters dilemna.Can't work. YS MC

That butcherer of Waco has the nerve to consider running for Governer of Florida.No shama, no conscience. Hey randOM I hear Horiuchi[sp], that demon FBI murderer may have to stand trial in Idaho.Any info?

There may some useful info at this link. http://www.ivu.org/history/east/buddha.html MC

I am pretty much in agreement from all the posts so far. I strongly support the voucher system and any othe rproposal to decentralize the educational system. Another point we all know is that the main problem with our educational system is they don't give knowledge, as in sambandha jnana.In fact to do so in a public school is actually against the law.a failure from the start. YS MC

Audarya lila, but from the angle of the States responsibility what should be the law? I see the death penalty as having a compassionate component even if those administering it don't.Less to suffer for next time around. Your point of Jagai and Madhai is well taken.Same with Paul from the Bible.He was a Jewish zealot that went around killing Christians until Jesus confront him with his mercy on the road one day.But those are extraordinary cases aren't they? "Among all means of surpressing lawlessness I am punishment..."Bg 10.38 What about a society where the citizens have to bar the windows of their homes for fear of the criminals? How do we balance mercy and justice? YS MC

Today in the USA the mass murder Timothy McVeigh was executed for his bombing of a Federal building and killing 168 people in 1965. Tim McVeigh had apparantly been driven mad by becoming disillusioned by witnessing the atrocities of the American Government. Some people here and many in Europe condemn his execution by lethal injection as a barbaric act. I support the death penalty myself and think it should be used far more liberaly.Child rapers for example. What do you think?In India is the death penalty still enforced?What do Indians think of this? YS MC