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First I want to thank the several individuals who were kind enough to respond to my first posting. Thank you. But I see that a lot of very odd speech has entered my first posting and I feel that what's below got lost in all the vulgar...except for a nice comment from Mitreya. Thanks for that. But now on to my other thoughts....taken from my first thread that I am no longer going to enter. I would bet that there is more to my misgivings than I realize. The truth can be hidden beneath many layers, requiring a great effort to reach. I may never understand it. I just can't help wondering about somethings. I remember being told how SP would be singing in class and go into deep spiritual trance. The implication that he was deeply intimate with Krishna. Or how he would just meet somebody in an elevator and presto, with uncanny spiritual vision and inspiration, give him first and second initiation on the spot. This was told to me by a very senior devotee. And there are other examples to illustrate the point that SP was spiritually charged by the grace of Lord Krishna. There are books written on this subject. He was on par with the best of the best. This proved that SP was faultless. In SP own words, "A God-conscious person having a bad character, it is incompatible. It is not possible. You cannot find fault with him. That is God conscious." "You cannot find fault with him"....I just can't figure out why such an elevated God-conscious saint would select and empower the kind of men he picked to give the greatest power to. I mean, spiritual power is so great. It is nothing to mess around with. And yet I don't like what I see. Especially when you look back at the history of these individuals after the SP era. One man was caught having an affair with a young girl. One man was having sex with little boys in the holiest place in India. One man was taking LSD and had his head chopped off. Even though SP said that a KC person is without fault, one "guru" was stripped for a time of his powers due to his bad deeds. One was caught with automatic weapons in the truck of his car and later thrown out. I mean, the list goes on and on. I just wonder...and I wonder respectively, without ill intent...how is it that SP...so close to Lord Krishna...could have selected such a bunch of rotten apples? And these men he empowered inflicted to much pain and suffering on others. Am I wrong to see fault here? And if there is fault, what about the quote I just mentioned from SP? How is one to view this? R I will post another response this Sunday. Thank you.

First I want to thank the several individuals who were kind enough to respond to my posting. Thank you. I would bet that there is more to my misgivings than I realize. The truth can be hidden beneath many layers, requiring a great effort to reach. I may never understand it. I just can't help wondering about somethings. I remember being told how SP would be singing in class and go into deep spiritual trance. The implication that he was deeply intimate with Krishna. Or how he would just meet somebody in an elevator and presto, with uncanny spiritual vision and inspiration, give him first and second initiation on the spot. This was told to me by a very senior devotee. And there are other examples to illustrate the point that SP was spiritually embodied by the grace of Lord Krishna. There are books written on this subject. He was on par with the best of the best. This proved that SP was faultless. In SP own words, "A God-conscious person having a bad character, it is incompatible. It is not possible. You cannot find fault with him. That is God conscious." "You cannot find fault with him"....I just can't figure out why such an elevated God-conscious saint would select and empower the kind of men he picked to give the greatest power to. I mean, spiritual power is so great. It is nothing to mess around with. And yet I don't like what I see. Especially when you look back at the history of these individuals after the SP era. One man was caught having an affair with a young girl. One man was having sex with little boys in the holiest place in India. One man was taking LSD and had his head chopped off. Even though SP said that a KC person is without fault, one "guru" was stripped for a time of his powers due to his bad deeds. One was caught with automatic weapons in the truck of his car and later thrown out. I mean, the list goes on and on. I just wonder...and I wonder respectively, without ill intent...how is it that SP...so close to Lord Krishna...could have selected such a bunch of rotten apples? And these men he empowered inflicted to much pain and suffering on others. Am I wrong to see fault here? And if there is fault, what about the quote I just mentioned from SP? Again, I am not participating here out of hate. OF course, years ago I would have NEVER asked such questions. How could I have? Is it wrong to ask now? I realize that these are not nice questions. If you think I should just drop out of this Web site, I will. I certainly don't mean to upset anyone. Again, thank you for providing me the opportunity to participate here. Sincerely, R

I wish I could say that my 5 years within ISKCON had left me full of good faith, but rather the opposite is true. At first I felt that a long, sincere approach was most appropriate...of course...one that did not challenge. Who was I to Challenge? This reminds me, who am I now? Just a very confused jerk. The jerk part never changes. Please don't let my words appear holy. I've described myself. But where does one go in my state? My mind remembers something once said: "that a holy tree cannot produce bad fruit." I love that. But it only deepens the confusion. I couldn't help notice the way or manner that SP walked...his head up so high. So easy for him to accept worship, as the go-between, between us and Lord Krishna. Where's the bottom line? Why would the holy tree produce such an abundance of bad fruit? What does this mean? Just to confuse me? More bad fruit. This man...SP...creating so much bad fruit? How odd now that I think about it. And there is no question that he did create it. Am I allowed to ask? I mean no harm. I think after all of this, I should be able to wonder. I don't know up from down. I will wait for a week before saying more. Sincerely, R