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Online darshan 13th September 2007 if you click on a date of the calender you get each time the Deities outfit of that particular day, http://www.vrindavandarshan.com/vdthumbs.php?thumbdate=13sep2007&calyear=2007&calq=q3

There is surely good basic approach in your posts but somehow things quickly tend to divert into intellectual/spiritual meaninglessness. I would greatly appreciate to have more sastrical niveau and content when taking the time to surf to the contributions of a senior Prabhupada disciple. Calcutta, 13 September 1970 "Yes, I am so glad that your center is doing so well and all the devotees are now appreciating the presence of their Spiritual Master by following His instructions although He is no longer physically present--this is the right spirit. Please keep me informed of your activities regularly. Hope this will meet you in good health. Your ever well-wisher, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami"

Somehow I'm missing Guruvani prabhu speaking about the ongoing privatization of ISKCON and how this is opposed to a movement which is meant to forward Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Sankirtan Movement and to spread the rays of the benediction moon. Without the sanctioning of the great acaryas turning the Sankirtan Mission into a private business, how to expect that this movement is able to deliver the fallen souls and reveal the mercy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu? Already we see that ISKCON leaders admit, nobody wants to join anymore - Nobody wants to join "the prime benediction for humanity at large" and "the ocean of transcendental bliss and ecstasy", anandambudhi-vardhanam? Could it be that all these qualities have already left the ISKCON private org? cheto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha--davagni-nirvapanam shreyah-kairava-chandrika-vitaranam vidya-vadhu-jivanam anandambudhi-vardhanam prati-padam purnamritaswadanam sarvatma-snapanam param vijayate sri-krishna-sankirtanam Glory to the Sri-Krsna-Sankirtana, which cleanses the heart of all the dust accumulated for years and extinguishes the fire of conditional life, of repeated birth and death. This sankirtana movement is the prime benediction for humanity at large because it spreads the rays of the benediction moon. It is the life of all transcendental knowledge. It increases the ocean of transcendental bliss, and it enables us to fully taste the nectar for which we are always anxious.

This is the first English report of a country with 1000 Vaishnavas since 20 years - a world premiere so to speak. Child's Play Down on the Farm http://www.praguepost.com/articles/2007/09/12/childs-play.php By Elisabeth Amante Heys For The Prague Post September 12th, 2007 For a closer view of rural life, a trip to Krišnův dvůr, a farm near Benešov run by Hare Krishna devotees, won’t disappoint. Children will be charmed by the tethered she-goat, awed by the vast fields of grain and eager to take the bullock cart ride, pulled by a white Hungarian bull with a horn-spread of at least 2 meters. (Schedule your ride in advance).Krišnův dvůr is no sanitized Disneyland. The 40-hectare (99-acre) property is a real farm that demands a lot of hard work. Nearly 20 Krishna devotees live on or near the farm, producing enough to sustain themselves plus supply two Prague restaurants, a Prague bakery and a retail Web business. They stone-grind their own grain and package 400 kilograms (8,818 pounds) of flour weekly.On Sundays, children are invited to make bread. The end product, a salty Indian puri, is thoroughly appreciated after seeing how the grain is sown, harvested and milled, using oxen as well as machinery.Watch out, kids may fall in love with Tilak. He’s the horse with a white brow mark resembling the painted designs that Hare Krishna followers wear, in yellow, on their own foreheads. The mark is called “tilak,” hence the horse’s name. While on the farm, youngsters may have a chance to experience some face-painting of their own, using mud dyed with turmeric to achieve the desired ochre and vermillion hue. With advance notice, little girls can get a sari-wrapping demonstration and a chance to wear a sari, the traditional dress of India. As for worship, a service (in Czech and Sanskrit) begins at 2 p.m. every Sunday, and the public is invited. It is quite lengthy, however, and may not hold a child’s interest, although the instruments are fascinating: cymbals, harmonium, the mridanga drum and, of course, voices raised in chant. At the very least, kids will enjoy a peek inside the temple, which is really just a smallish meeting room with a raised altar and two lavishly dressed deities. These are brothers and incarnations of Krishna, according to Krišnův dvůr spokesman Priya-kirti das, 33. The statues are not worshipped, but they are revered. The Sunday Feast occurs after the temple service, usually around 4 p.m. And a feast it is, with devotees and guests picnicking on the grass (in good weather) as peacocks hoot and caw from the trees above. The portions are more than generous and flavorful, but not hotly spiced. Most everything served is grown on the farm and made fresh, including the paneer, a light curded cheese. For dessert, you may be served a mouth-watering apple-raisin samosa, lightly dusted with powdered sugar.Priya-kirtidas, a medical engineer, joined the Hare Krishna movement in 1991 and now lives near the farm with his wife and newborn son. Asked what kids might get out of a visit to Krišnův dvůrr, he says, “A sense that life can be lived every day in nature. Children come here, they meet our children, and they have a pleasant day at our farm. It’s a good time — inspiring, healthy, tasty.”We would concur.For preschoolers: Young children can be accommodated, with advance notice, for a half-day of age-appropriate activities including face-painting, bread-making and singing.For families: Attend the Sunday Feast, arriving at about 3:30 p.m. to catch the end of the temple service, staying on for supper and briefly touring the farm after.For groups: Eight or more may schedule a ride around the farm in a bullock cart, visit the temple and, on Sunday, stay for the feast. Cost: A free-will offering is requested; 125 Kč ($6.15) for adults and 75 Kč per child would be appropriate for the feast and a self-tour, a bit more if special arrangements are required.How to get there: Take the train to Městečko u Benešova, changing at Benešov u Prahy for a short ride to the Městečko station. The farm is 100 meters (328 feet) down the road from this stop. A return trip is three hours.Contact: To make special arrangements or reserve the bullock cart, e-mail Priya-kirti das at pkd@krisnuvdvur.cz. For more information, check www.krisnuvdvur.cz. Elisabeth Amante Heys can be reached at tempo@praguepost.com

You're surely correct here - times have changed and walking 8000 miles across Canada like Bhakti Marg Swami makes one "a member of the Vaishnava guru parampara," so there is "minimal qualification and maximum pooja." Maybe the best qualification for their pure devotees appointment should be: whoever collects the most beer cans for recycling, at least then we'd have some useful action going on not like presently, Vaishnavas on the tramp through Canadian wilderness....and finally we read in the books of history that "the assistants of the gopis" are "falling down" -- ??? Already it is stated in the dictionairies about World Religions, http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2904151/k.D116/Hinduism.htm "There is no clear concept of salvation in Hinduism. Moksha (freedom from infinite being and selfhood and final self-realization of the truth), is the goal of existence. Yoga and meditation (especially raja-yoga) taught by a guru (religious teacher) is one way to attain moksha. The other valid paths for moksha are: the way of works (karma marga), the way of knowledge (jnana marga), or the way of love and devotion (bhakti marga ). Hindus hope to eventually get off the cycle of reincarnation. They believe the illusion of personal existence will end and they will become one with the impersonal God."

This might be correct but in order to make such statements on must be in the position of having set up an alternative with quite some impressive success - otherwise will it be believable from the point of to walk the talk? And therefore you'll find that the GBC just goes on as supplied before. Prabhupada would never comment with one word although seeing right in front of his eyes how the GM became like a ship without a captain - still he kept silent. More or less his reply were deeds, may be a few words, but mainly deeds. His comments based upon deeds.

Guess you're right - Krishna is presented in the best way possible, nothing can be done better!

Could be that it is all these millions of masterpiece paintings like this one of Botticelli. Indians somehow presented only pretty much naive art about Krishna-lila. http://www.uni-leipzig.de/ru/bilder/passion1/bottic01.jpg

But this is the actual point - Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's life was never put in film properly - I mean really first class.

Good point, but there has to be first a disciplinary hearing.Another thing is, millions of high value paintings of Jesus were painted.... Since through the Middle Ages there was no TV or modern printing press, all those paintings were done with such great care, nobody is able to paint like that today. Now I heard that many ISKCON artists left their job to paint Krishna-lila art and work for the karmis. In this way, how we can expect that Krishna-lila is getting prepared in such a way to reach the Westerners perception?

The actual thing what happened is the picturization/film adaptation of Lord Jesus Christ's life and all the many different consequences up to all those films about Jean d'Arc and the life of the apostles, or the Name of the Rose. Hollywoods work, that is what made Jesus really getting into peoples mind. All those films made in India are just flub compared to what Hollywood did. Are there films being made about Lord Caitanya? Only stuff you better don't look at. It is all like embarrassing laymen theater what they produced in Bollywood about Krishna-lila and Lord Caitanya. And here lies the crux - Westerners grow up with tv - because they made so many wonderful films about Jesus therefore he will always be number one in the West. Bollywood is a great disservice and a shame. And just imagine the wonderful backdrop of India's landscape they had. Now these Bollywood idiots make hundreds of stupid films in Switzerland and Austria - they think the Alps are beautiful.

It is probably that all this is NOT presented properly for the understanding of the Westerners mentality. It is all presented in such a way that Westerners can't be fascinated. What could that be, faulty packing, missing film adaptation? Yes, it is Bollywood! Bollywood didnt make wonderful films about Ramayana etc, all cheap halfhearted botch. The many film adaptation of Jesus' life is done first class.

This is of course right - thing is probably that Jesus' biography is so heartbreaking for all kind of people, it's hard to surpass this scenario of dieing on a cross and at the same time this is being done to extinguish your sinful living. Next, how he was born, his parents were on the run, he was born in a cowshed, etc. It is all so dramatic. Is there something similiar in Vaishnavism? At least it doesnt move the heart of Westerners like Jesus did.

Another thing could be that bhajans like this are missing - bhajans who are so full of real devotional feeling. Only HH Vishnujana Swami came close to it.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Guruvani prabhu being the JESUS of ISKCON. But, I do not limit the Gaudiya sampradaya to only being represented by ISKCON as long ISKCON seems to stuck....

vedanta-krid veda-vid eva caham. Krishna says, "I am the compiler of the Vedas and I am the knower of the Vedas." This is how it could be that all those sages could know.

I would say there were/are dozens of charismatic Vaishnava leaders who would have been honoured even more than Prabhupada was honoured during those 10 years, due their being 100% loyal towards their guru. But because these Vaishnava gentlemen couldnt remain humble and presented themselves as servants but demanded to be recognized as genuine mahabhagavats, spiritual masters, pure devotees, bonafide acaryas etc etc etc, they were not only rejected by people in general, spiritual laymen but by the majority of Vaishnavas as well. The Jesus of Vaishnavism would be a devotee like Vishnujana Swami, who first of all doesnt demand to be the biggest leader but has enough intelligence how to remain humble. As you see, this is to be found nowhere, instead the opposite happens, people demand reservation of building ground for their future great acarya samadhis next to Srila Rupa Goswami's samadhi and that SRILA is put in front their names although their preaching performance is still invisible. In sum the consulting service of all these probands for a genuine Vaishnava leading figure doesnt actually function at all - even the materialists are better counseled when it comes to set up proper publicity campaign to put someone in perspective..

"Die" means to stop to follow, there's no other meaning. 9 September, 1972 Dallas My Dear Krsna das, Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter from Fresno dated September 6, 1972, and I have noted the contents carefully. You may know it that I am eternally your guide, but if you don't accept me as your guide what can I do? Unfortunately, if my disciples do not take my guidance, what can I do? By bad association it so happens, so I remain silent. I see the pricks of maya. When you went to Europe last time, I was hopeful that you would organize in Sweden. You have got the capacity to do that, you are one of my old disciples and you have proven your abilities to organize things very nicely. You went to Germany and organized very nicely. I know you have got that capacity. Why you have come back? You could have organized Sweden very gorgeously. You are very intelligent and also your wife is intelligent. Formally you were alone, now you are assisted by your good wife. Husband and wife equal double strength. You can do nicely anywhere. You know very well how Gurudasa, Mukunda, and Syamasundara. organized the London center with great labor and hardship and now it is one of the first class temples. Syamasundara induced George Harrison to cooperate with us and he paid us nineteen-thousand dollars for Krsna Book. So there are so many works, if someone wants to work there are so many things. So eternally I want to remain your guide provided you want to accept me. You mentioned that your pathway has become filled with stumbling blocks, but there are no stumbling blocks, I can kick out all those stumbling blocks immediately, provided you accept my guidance. With one stroke of my kick I can kick out all stumbling blocks. You are always welcome. All of your doubts will be cleared up either personally face-to-face or by correspondence with me. I am gong to Los Angeles, you can come to live with me and all your doubts will erased. In the beginning there were no doubts, but by bad association you have now got doubts. Regarding your questions you say that amongst the elder disciples there are still symptoms of greed, anger, strife, bickering, etc., but you are one of them. You are one of the old students, so you fall in that group. So the fighting is among that group, but not amongst the real workers. There was fighting amongst the gopis also, so we cannot expect there will be some utopia without fighting, there is even in the spiritual sky transcendental greed, lust, envy, like that. But that is transcendental. Hamsaduta is maintaining his position of service, so why, even if a little fighting, you should go away? We should never give up our duty. My godbrothers always discouraged me but I did not give up, I am doing my duty and always keeping my spiritual master in front. Even there is some difficulty or hardship, or even my godbrothers may not cooperate or there may be fighting, still, I must perform my duty to my spiritual master and not become discouraged and go away, that is my weakness. As for the second question I do not know what you mean by this statement, but we accept Jesus Christ as a very good son of God. So far His preaching is concerned, that was with reference to the people amongst whom He preached. Just like "Thou shalt not kill." That means they were accustomed to killing. So you can just imagine what class of men they were. It is simply a difference of mode of teaching, that is all. But we accept Him as the son of God, and He talked about God consciousness. That much we accept. So far the audience is concerned, it is a proof they are not very elevated, otherwise how they could kill Jesus Christ? That means they are not very enlightened. [...] Hoping this meets you in good health. Your ever well-wisher, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami ACB/sda

But isnt the whole concept of Vaishnavism more or less the doctrine of following the beloved servants of Krishna? That even all those illiterate Vaishnavas who couldnt read and write but kept in their hearts to obediently follow the great devotees, that they were blessed with Krishna's mercy in full? And thus revealed such strong spiritual rasa and transcendental ecstasy that made people to surrender to Vaishnavism on the spot? To become a scholar of Vaishnava literature might be worthwhile but is it really the ultimate spiritual discipline to attain Krishna's mercy and become situated in pure devotional service? One thing should be clear, Krishna doesnt want to be enjoyed - He never agrees to this, He wants His devotees to make Him enjoy. This is the goal of bhakti. I mean to say, how can you keep Prabhupada in the center and make him pleased with such kind of logic?

You mean things like below - modern scientists now considering that peoples minds became so dull that they won't figure what is actually a living cell? Scientists a step nearer to creating artificial life http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/sep/06/2 New progress towards synthetic organism · Hope of fuels, drugs and ways to fight pollution James Randerson, science correspondent The Guardian Thursday September 6 2007 To the untrained eye, the tiny, misshapen, fatty blobs on Giovanni Murtas's microscope slide would not look very impressive. But when the Italian scientist saw their telltale green fluorescent glint he knew he had achieved something remarkable - and taken a vital step towards building a living organism from scratch. The green glow was proof that his fragile creations were capable of making their own proteins, a crucial ability of all living things and vital for carrying out all other aspects of life. Though only a first step, the discovery will hasten efforts by scientists to build the world's first synthetic organism. It could also prove a significant development in the multibillion-dollar battle to exploit the technology for manufacturing commercially valuable chemicals such as drugs and biofuels or cleaning up pollution. The achievement is a major advance for the new field of "synthetic biology". Its proponents hope to construct simple bespoke organisms with carefully chosen components. But some campaigners worry about the new technology's unsettling potential and argue there should be a moratorium on the research until the ethical and technological implications have been discussed more widely. One of the field's leading lights is the controversial scientist Craig Venter, a beach bum turned scientific entrepreneur who is better known for sequencing the human genome and scouring the oceans for unknown genes on his luxury research yacht. The research institute he founded hopes to create an artificial "minimal organism". And he believes there is big money at stake. In an interview with Newsweek magazine earlier this year, Dr Venter claimed that a fuel-producing microbe could become the first billion- or trillion-dollar organism. The institute has already patented a set of genes for creating such a stripped-down creature. Ultimately, synthetic biologists hope to create the most efficient form of life possible, with the fewest genes needed to allow the organism to grow, replicate and proliferate. But researchers have approached the problem from two radically different directions. Dr Venter's team is starting with one of the simplest forms of cellular life known to science - the bacterium Mycoplasma genitalium, which causes urinary tract infections. By stripping out each of its 482 genes and observing the effect on the organism they have calculated that a core of 381 are vital for life. In contrast to this top-down approach, Dr Murtas, at the Enrico Fermi research centre at Roma Tre University in Italy, and Pier Luigi Luisi aim to build a living thing from the bottom up. "The bottom-up approach has the possibility of creating living systems from entirely non-living materials," said Tom Knight, an expert in synthetic biology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "That's the real power of synthetic biology ... If you can take it apart into little bits and pieces and shuffle things around and put it back together and it still works, you can have much more confidence that you really understand what is going on." The Italian team's advance is to make simple cells which are essentially bags made up of a fatty membrane containing just 36 enzymes and purified ribosomes - microscopic components common to all cells which translate the genetic code into protein. The primitive cells are capable of manufacturing protein from one gene. The team chose a fluorescent green protein found in jellyfish because it was easy to see, using a microscope, when the protein is being made. "We are trying to minimise any system we put in place for the cell," said Dr Murtas. "We can prove at this point that we can have protein synthesis with a minimum set of enzymes - 36 at the moment." He hopes the project will teach him about the earliest stirrings of life in Earth's primeval slime some 3.5bn years ago. "It's impressive work," said Prof Knight. "Protein synthesis is a wonderful place to start, partly because it is so well understood and ... you can figure out what is going wrong relatively easily. But there is a lot more involved in making cells that are alive ... I think the bottom-up people have a long way to go." Dr Murtas acknowledges that his bags of enzymes are a long way from a fully functioning cell, but it is an important proof of principle - being able to make proteins is key for the cell to acquire new functions. Giving it the ability to grow, divide, partition components into daughter cells correctly and replicate DNA will be a major challenge, though. The team will report the work in the journal Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications. Dr Murtas is now working on making cells which are capable of division - crucial if they are to be truly alive. As the membrane grows, the team hope it will reach a point where the cell becomes too big and so gives rise to a pair of daughter cells. In June, Dr Venter's research team announced that they had discovered how to carry out a "genome transplant". They showed they could move the genetic recipe of one species of Mycoplasma bacterium into another closely related species.

this is a full version explaining vedic mathematics 1 (40 MB) http://rapidshare.com/files<wbr>/36377918/Mahatma.zip

You're so right prabhu, it's a great relief to give up all these endeavours of explaining things into people's present brain capacity what is like beating an empty husk to get the grain. Material brains can only perceive material input - it's that simple. Although there're materialists who spent more time to live in the cyber-world of bits and bytes at http://secondlife.com/ than in their "real world"- fully identifying with a virtual avatar body, still materialists can't grasp the meaning that there're other realities beyond our brain capacity. Btw, didnt they open a Hare Krishna temple at secondlive.com?

When associating with devotees in the temple we easily get so much into higher realms of bhakti-yoga that we lose contact with the so called reality of the karmi world. Loss of reality syndrome what materialists call it when talking with devotees. At this point we have to get to those facts which are understandable reality for the karmis who attack us. What the karmis are living for doesnt relate to the immortal soul but to the material body - and this temporary vehicle, this material body, will end when death comes. The soul is like a bird that is presently caught in a cage, this body, and the foolish materialists are only trying to improve that cage, trying to have a golden cage. However, there's no difference if the cage is golden, brass, iron or plastic. So this is the materialists foolishness, he only takes care of his body although he knows that this body will end at the graveyard in a couple of years. Is there any difference between the rich man's bones and the poor man's bones? But why preach to such people? Better to stop preaching to such gross materialists and give them prasadam! Prasadam will gradually wake up his soul and then the preaching will be effective. Devotional art by Jagattarini dd - http://www.gopinatha.net/

Prabhupada, 1972 September 9 : "With one stroke I can kick out all stumbling blocks provided you accept my guidance. Eternally I want to remain your guide provided you want to accept me." Such kind of drawbacks are surely removed when becoming a disturbance for the spreading of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Sankirtan movement which is supposed to exist for the next 10,000 years.

I remember Prabhupada once metioned that Euphrates-Tigris are holy rivers for the Christians, could be that these are all different branches of the Ganges. Another thing is that from Earth the Ganges flows to other lower planets: