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So what?

They believe Swami-Narayana is an incarnation of Lord Sri Krishna. Who appeared not long ago [about 200 years ago]. But some believe Swami-Narayana was actually a Jiva-tattva empowered to teach Krishna-Bhakti. Just like Narada is an incarnation of Krishna as a Sage of the Demi-gods. I have specifically seen Radha-Krishna diety in Swami-Narayana Temples, though they mainly chant the Swami-Narayana Mantra [swami-narayana]. They also has to 2 factions. One is called Baps [they hold Swami-Narayana as Vishnu-tattva] the other calling themsleves Original don't. In this way, both worship Sri Radha-Krishna. But myself I don't find any need to go into thier teachings. Since the Goal is Krishna-Bhakti in gaudiya Vaishnava Teachings [Krishna-prema]. The goal in Swami-Narayana is Mukti [Liberation].

Noted from a lecture I heard by Vaishnava- It is our benefit, no benefit to Krishna, Krishna doesn't require our chanting, but we require to chant His Name. Because we want to go back to Him, we want to join Him. Without us His pastimes are going on. He is missing each one of us in His pastimes, though still his pastimes are going on. He will recieve our service, from Vaithuntaloka or Goloka. So we have to chant for our benefit. If somebody chants our name we become happy, so same way Krishna becomes happy in spiritual Rasa. Krishna becomes so greatful that He chants our name. So how to get into the heart of the Lord? Then one should chant His holy names, then Lord recogzines us.

Is that Achintya Bhedha-Bhedha? [simultaneous oneness and difference from God] This Docrine quite easily gives absolute knowledge. That we are one with and different from God, Impersonal aspect, Personal aspect, and Jivas are all talked about in this doctrine. Though the difference is more prominant that the oneness aspect.

Well he says he saw Sakshad actual Radha-Krishna. He also says he still eats meat. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Hare Krishna I heard this person said, [he is meant to be a devotee]. That while meditating he say his spiritual self [his exact word] in white body or cloths, serving the REAL Radha-Krishna. This person also claims to 'maybe' be Buddha or Kalki. He doesn't want to accept a Guru. I tried talking some sence, re-read what I just said, tell me if I am loosing the battle.

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In this issue we take another excerpt from: Our Srila Prabhupada – A Friend To All – Early Contemporaries Remember Him – Compiled by Mulaprakrti devi dasi. 2004 Gopavrindapal dasa. <font color="red"> Pujari from Sri Adwaita Acarya's house in Santipura, West Bengal </font color> <font color="blue"> This story was heard in Mayapura in 1980. A man came to the ISKCON's Caitanya Candrodoya Mandira carrying with him a copy of the Back of Godhead article about Srila Prabhupada, entitled A Lifetime in Preparation.</font color> "Just recently an amazing realization occurred to me that I wanted to share with devotees everywhere. I have been the pujari and sevaite at the house of Adwaita Acarya for many years. I was also there back in the 1940's and 50's. At that time, I noticed that one grhasta Bengali devotee used to come to the temple quite regularly. He was dressed in a white khadidhoti and kurta and he always came alone. He would sit in the back of the Mandira without speaking, and would chant harinama on his mala very quietly and deeply. I noticed that he came on the weekends, usually once every month or two in regular way. After chanting there for many hours, he would always thank me when he left. His presence was profound and I became attracted to him. Since his devotions were solitary, I never spoke to disturb him. Sometimes I happened to notice that while he was chanting, his eyes would be full of tears and his voice would be choked up." "Then, for a very long time he did not come. However, I distinctly recall that in August of 1965, I saw a saffron-clothed sannyasi sitting in the back of the Mandira. In a moment I recognized him to be my old friend from before. Again he sat for a long time chanting Hare Krsna. I could see his beads moving, his eyes closed in concentrated devotion. He was weeping unabashedly even more than he used to while he took the Holy Name. Finally, as evening came, he paid his dandavat pranama for long time. When he arose he came up to me and again thanked me for my seva here at Adwaita Bhavan. I asked him. Who are you? I remember you from so long ago.'" "He replied, 'My name is Abaya Caranaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. I am an unworthy disciple of His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, Srila Prabhupada, my divine master. I have been coming here for such a long time because my Gurudeva has given me an impossible mission. His desire was for me to go across the ocean to the Western countries and spread the sublime teachings of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. There are countless souls there who have never heard of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna and so they are suffering greatly. I have not known how this mission of his will be successful, so I have been coming here to this special house of Adwaita Acarya, where he, Nityananda Prabhu, and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu would gather together to plan the sankirtana movement. It was here that they launched the inundation of love of God that swept India and continues to this day. Thus, I have been praying very earnestly here that they will all give me their mercy that somehow they will empower me and guide me. I want to satisfy my gurudeva's desire, but I am feeling unqualified to do this.'" "As he was speaking to me, I saw tears falling down on his cheeks again. Then he continued, 'Tomorrow I am leaving for Calcutta to go upon a ship across the ocean to America. I do no know what will befall me there, but I am praying most earnestly here for help.' Then he very humbly asked me for my blessings. I was indeed moved by this Vaisnava's sincerity and determination was I watched him depart upon his journey." "It was a few years later that I began noticing, for the first time, white Vaisnavas coming to Adwaita Bhavan. They were wearing dhotis and saris and chanting on tulasi-mala. I never spoke to any of them but then one of them gave me this "Back to Godhead" magazine from America. As I looked at the photographs, suddenly I recognized a painting of the Founder-Acarya who had brought Krsna consciousness to the West. It was a picture of my friend, Bhaktivedanta Swami, who had come and prayed here so many times before. Then I realized that he has actually accomplished that impossible mission of his Gurudeva. I saw that it was indeed he, starting alone and without pretense, who had accomplished this glorious miracle against all odds." "As soon as I saw this, I came here to his temple in Mayapura to tell you this information. I know that he has gone from this world now, but I though perhaps you might want to know this story about you and my beloved Srila Prabhupada." 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YES, if not undertaken properly under the shelter of a true guru. That is why Shankara says that one should never undertake the study of vedanta by oneself even though one may be a great learned scholar. -- Only way in this age is to chant. Bhaja Govindam. Even for impersonal realization, you need to chant. Both. Chant and read. But I don't see many who follow Sankara by chanting.

Ego means not wanting to serve Krishna. The rest of your rant [i've been wanting to use that word since forever]. I don't really agree. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Krishna says He is absolute. So its includes Universal self, His impersonal aspect, and His Personality and Form.

Because there is no such thing as Hinduisum.

Depends who intrepretates the words /images/graemlins/cool.gif I find so some quotes of Prabhupada are misrepresentated and used for political things. But mostly when I find something I contemplate on it more. Sometimes it takes weeks to find an answer.

Only in the way that its a selfish interest, impersonal liberation doesn't do any service for Krishna. Becoming Void doesn't do anything for Krishna. In fact all the previous inflate your ego even more. No Bhakti, no substance, Nothing. This is not what is taught in the Gita. Gita teaches Pure Bhakti.

Want to merge into the Impersonal Brahmajyoti, Buddists are one step backward from this. Its basically spiritual suicide what they teach. Complete negation of JIva's blissful nature. For example If I am standing on a seaside, and I look into the water, I could think I want to merge into this Water, though sooner or later I would want to come out, and engage in various actitivies. So the natural inclination of the soul is ananda, it want variety. Some Mayavadis say so many things, like Maya cut them up etc. Then they say they are God when they healed. Even a fool in this Age wouldn't take this as truth. I am so foolish I couldn't even do well in school. But this is so amazinly flawed. God is flawless. That's the basic princliple of WHO God is. Actually people want to be fooled. So Krishna gives them a chance.

Now whoever your are, are speaking like a Buddist. Truth is Krishna. Not all paths lead to Krishna, only a fool will say this. If I want to goto London, and I goto Manchester, thats not going to London. Same in material and same in spiritual sence. Ramakrishna taught this, 'all paths lead to one'. He first thought He was something then later he said he was something else, all these kinds of nonsence. Then he said that Vishnu is poor. Dardidra Narayana. He may have knew some things [who doesn't] but people followed him foolishy even until this very day. People just don't even enquire that they are so stupid and thick, how they can ever become God etc. Anybody comes upto them provides some 'evidence' you can become God, they agree. This is how the Buddists were convinced, they didn't know any better. Nor did they have a desire to serve Krishna. I said enough.

I know the conclutions of Buddisum, and Mayavadi. The GOAL. After all its the GOAL which is what we want. They are not the same. Sorry to disturb and go, but I am busy with others things. Hare Krishna Sadhana and Sadhya.

Paravati is also Durga who is called Maha-Maya. Shiva is very powerful almost on the same level as Narayana. Still Shiva always serves Narayana. Theres not much to it. Simple is best, I gtg go, not posting. Sorry. Busy. My add is pankaja_dasa@

I think this is by Sriman Sankrcharya. Whom Gaudiya Vaishnava regard as Achraya. Due to Him being an Incarnation of Lord Shiva. Other than this we reject everything he said, because he taught covered Buddisum. Buddisum is Voidism. And Sankrcharya taught Covered Buddisum. He said due to the covered of Maya we have become Jivas, but when this coverering is removed we become God. Also with some verses from the Vedas [called the Maha-vakya by Mayavadis]. The Doctrine was established. And many were brought back to reading the Vedas. For this reason Vaisnavas are ever thankful to Him. Just as Lord Buddha stopped the killing of animals, in the name of the Vedas. We also do NOT read the commentantaries of Sriman Sankrcharya because we know His purpose. He taught we are all God, but he did hint that only Krishna is God or Vishnu. But there is not even a hint of Bhakti in this Doctrine. But Many Mayavadi Sannyasi have become devotees of Lord Sri Krishna, because before they were very strict in thier practice. So they reached Brahman realisation. But could not find any happiness in this. That is why so many Mayavadis were converted to Vaishnava Dharma in India, at the time of Madhavacharya. And also when Gauranga [Chaitanya] Mahaprabhu was present. But you will note that there were no Mayavadis in Mayapura, the Dhama of Mahaprabhu. Before of After the Appearence of Sriman Sankrcharya. Hope that wasn't too long to read.

I am not sure whos Translation you are reading, maybe that is the Problem. This is one by Iskcon:- See verse 45 /images/graemlins/smile.gif http://srimadbhagavatam.com/11/14/en I already tried to explain the verse in question. But you saying to me to read between the lines. You refuce to listen to what I am saying.. Chapter 14: Lord Krishna Explains the Yoga System to Sri Uddhava Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Srimad Bhagavatam SB 11.14 Summary SB 11.14.1: Sri Uddhava said: My dear Krishna, the learned sages who explain Vedic literature recommend various processes for perfecting one's life. Considering these varieties of viewpoint, my Lord, please tell me whether all these processes are equally important, or whether one of them is supreme. SB 11.14.2: My dear Lord, You have clearly explained the process of unalloyed devotional service, by which a devotee removes all material association from his life, enabling him to fix his mind on You. SB 11.14.3: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: By the influence of time, the transcendental sound of Vedic knowledge was lost at the time of annihilation. Therefore, when the subsequent creation took place, I spoke the Vedic knowledge to Brahma because I Myself am the religious principles enunciated in the Vedas. SB 11.14.4: Lord Brahma spoke this Vedic knowledge to his eldest son, Manu, and the seven great sages headed by Bhrigu Muni then accepted the same knowledge from Manu. SB 11.14.5-7: From the forefathers headed by Bhrigu Muni and other sons of Brahma appeared many children and descendants, who assumed different forms as demigods, demons, human beings, Guhyakas, Siddhas, Gandharvas, Vidyadharas, Caranas, Kindevas, Kinnaras, Nagas, Kimpurushas, and so on. All of the many universal species, along with their respective leaders, appeared with different natures and desires generated from the three modes of material nature. Therefore, because of the different characteristics of the living entities within the universe, there are a great many Vedic rituals, mantras and rewards. SB 11.14.8: Thus, due to the great variety of desires and natures among human beings, there are many different theistic philosophies of life, which are handed down through tradition, custom and disciplic succession. There are other teachers who directly support atheistic viewpoints. SB 11.14.9: O best among men, the intelligence of human beings is bewildered by My illusory potency, and thus, according to their own activities and whims, they speak in innumerable ways about what is actually good for people. SB 11.14.10: Some say that people will be happy by performing pious religious activities. Others say that happiness is attained through fame, sense gratification, truthfulness, self-control, peace, self-interest, political influence, opulence, renunciation, consumption, sacrifice, penance, charity, vows, regulated duties or strict disciplinary regulation. Each process has its proponents. SB 11.14.11: All the persons I have just mentioned obtain temporary fruits from their material work. Indeed, the meager and miserable situations they achieve bring future unhappiness and are based on ignorance. Even while enjoying the fruits of their work, such persons are filled with lamentation. SB 11.14.12: O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification. SB 11.14.13: One who does not desire anything within this world, who has achieved peace by controlling his senses, whose consciousness is equal in all conditions and whose mind is completely satisfied in Me finds only happiness wherever he goes. SB 11.14.14: One who has fixed his consciousness on Me desires neither the position or abode of Lord Brahma or Lord Indra, nor an empire on the earth, nor sovereignty in the lower planetary systems, nor the eightfold perfection of yoga, nor liberation from birth and death. Such a person desires Me alone. SB 11.14.15: My dear Uddhava, neither Lord Brahma, Lord Siva, Lord Sankarshana, the goddess of fortune nor indeed My own self are as dear to Me as you are. SB 11.14.16: With the dust of My devotees' lotus feet I desire to purify the material worlds, which are situated within Me. Thus, I always follow the footsteps of My pure devotees, who are free from all personal desire, rapt in thought of My pastimes, peaceful, without any feelings of enmity, and of equal disposition everywhere. SB 11.14.17: Those who are without any desire for personal gratification, whose minds are always attached to Me, who are peaceful, without false ego and merciful to all living entities, and whose consciousness is never affected by opportunities for sense gratification -- such persons enjoy in Me a happiness that cannot be known or achieved by those lacking such detachment from the material world. SB 11.14.18: My dear Uddhava, if My devotee has not fully conquered his senses, he may be harassed by material desires, but because of his unflinching devotion for Me, he will not be defeated by sense gratification. SB 11.14.19: My dear Uddhava, just as a blazing fire turns firewood into ashes, similarly, devotion unto Me completely burns to ashes sins committed by My devotees. SB 11.14.20: My dear Uddhava, the unalloyed devotional service rendered to Me by My devotees brings Me under their control. I cannot be thus controlled by those engaged in mystic yoga, Sankhya philosophy, pious work, Vedic study, austerity or renunciation. SB 11.14.21: Only by practicing unalloyed devotional service with full faith in Me can one obtain Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. I am naturally dear to My devotees, who take Me as the only goal of their loving service. By engaging in such pure devotional service, even the dog-eaters can purify themselves from the contamination of their low birth. SB 11.14.22: Neither religious activities endowed with honesty and mercy nor knowledge obtained with great penance can completely purify one's consciousness if they are bereft of loving service to Me. SB 11.14.23: If one's hairs do not stand on end, how can the heart melt? And if the heart does not melt, how can tears of love flow from the eyes? If one does not cry in spiritual happiness, how can one render loving service to the Lord? And without such service, how can the consciousness be purified? SB 11.14.24: A devotee whose speech is sometimes choked up, whose heart melts, who cries continually and sometimes laughs, who feels ashamed and cries out loudly and then dances -- a devotee thus fixed in loving service to Me purifies the entire universe. SB 11.14.25: Just as gold, when smelted in fire, gives up its impurities and returns to its pure brilliant state, similarly, the spirit soul, absorbed in the fire of bhakti-yoga, is purified of all contamination caused by previous fruitive activities and returns to its original position of serving Me in the spiritual world. SB 11.14.26: When a diseased eye is treated with medicinal ointment it gradually recovers its power to see. Similarly, as a conscious living entity cleanses himself of material contamination by hearing and chanting the pious narrations of My glories, he regains his ability to see Me, the Absolute Truth, in My subtle spiritual form. SB 11.14.27: The mind of one meditating upon the objects of sense gratification is certainly entangled in such objects, but if one constantly remembers Me, then the mind is absorbed in Me. SB 11.14.28: Therefore, one should reject all material processes of elevation, which are like the mental creations of a dream, and should completely absorb one's mind in Me. By constantly thinking of Me, one becomes purified. SB 11.14.29: Being conscious of the eternal self, one should give up association with women and those intimately associated with women. Sitting fearlessly in a solitary place, one should concentrate the mind on Me with great attention. SB 11.14.30: Of all kinds of suffering and bondage arising from various attachments, none is greater than the suffering and bondage arising from attachment to women and intimate contact with those attached to women. SB 11.14.31: Sri Uddhava said: My dear lotus-eyed Krishna, by what process should one who desires liberation meditate upon You, of what specific nature should his meditation be, and upon which form should he meditate? Kindly explain to me this topic of meditation. SB 11.14.32-33: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Sitting on a level seat that is not too high or too low, keeping the body straight and erect yet comfortable, placing the two hands on one's lap and focusing the eyes on the tip of one's nose, one should purify the pathways of breathing by practicing the mechanical exercises of puraka, kumbhaka and recaka, and then one should reverse the procedure (recaka, kumbhaka, puraka). Having fully controlled the senses, one may thus practice pranayama step by step. SB 11.14.34: Beginning from the muladhara-cakra, one should move the life air continuously upward like the fibers in the lotus stalk until one reaches the heart, where the sacred syllable om is situated like the sound of a bell. One should thus continue raising the sacred syllable upward the distance of twelve angulas, and there the omkara should be joined together with the fifteen vibrations produced with anusvara. SB 11.14.35: Being fixed in the omkara, one should carefully practice the pranayama system ten times at each sunrise, noon and sunset. Thus, after one month one will have conquered the life air. SB 11.14.36-42: Keeping the eyes half closed and fixed on the tip of one's nose, being enlivened and alert, one should meditate on the lotus flower situated within the heart. This lotus has eight petals and is situated on an erect lotus stalk. One should meditate on the sun, moon and fire, placing them one after the other within the whorl of that lotus flower. Placing My transcendental form within the fire, one should meditate upon it as the auspicious goal of all meditation. That form is perfectly proportioned, gentle and cheerful. It possesses four beautiful long arms, a charming, beautiful neck, a handsome forehead, a pure smile and glowing, shark-shaped earrings suspended from two identical ears. That spiritual form is the color of a dark rain cloud and is garbed in golden-yellowish silk. The chest of that form is the abode of Srivatsa and the goddess of fortune, and that form is also decorated with a conchshell, disc, club, lotus flower and garland of forest flowers. The two brilliant lotus feet are decorated with ankle bells and bracelets, and that form exhibits the Kaustubha gem along with an effulgent crown. The upper hips are beautified by a golden belt, and the arms are decorated with valuable bracelets. All of the limbs of that beautiful form capture the heart, and the face is beautified by merciful glancing. Pulling the senses back from the sense objects, one should be grave and self-controlled and should use the intelligence to strongly fix the mind upon all of the limbs of My transcendental body. Thus one should meditate upon that most delicate transcendental form of Mine. SB 11.14.43: One should then pull the consciousness back from all the limbs of that transcendental body. At that time, one should meditate only on the wonderfully smiling face of the Lord. SB 11.14.44: Being established in meditation on the Lord's face, one should then withdraw the consciousness and fix it in the sky. Then giving up such meditation, one should become established in Me and give up the process of meditation altogether. SB 11.14.45: One who has completely fixed his mind on Me should see Me within his own soul and should see the individual soul within Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thus, he sees the individual souls united with the Supreme Soul, just as one sees the sun's rays completely united with the sun. SB 11.14.46: When the yogi thus controls his mind by intensely concentrated meditation, his illusory identification with material objects, knowledge and activities is very quickly extinguished. --- The above bold verse explains Achintya Bhede Bheda. Inconcievable oneness and difference from God.

I know what it means. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Your reading outside of the line. Ps. Are you a devotee of Krishna /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Ok I am happy your find me refesrhing. You won't find any contradictions in Krishna words. I tried to explain already what Nature means. You talking everything like its easy to understand krishna words. Even great Philosphers find it difficult to understand even one verse in Gita. You know and I know it, you need to be a devotee to understand. Lord Krishna spoke Gita to Lord Uddhuva [His devotee, whom He [krishna] regards as dear to Him as even Shambu, Lakmi,].

22 May 2005 SundayCaturdasi Nrsimha Caturdasi: Appearance of Lord Nrsimhadeva Full fasting till dusk. /images/graemlins/wink.gif Then no grains or beans till after sunrise next day /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Amsterdam, Athens, Berlin, Birmingham, /images/graemlins/ooo.gif Budapest, Dublin, Frankfurt, Helsinki, Lisbon, Madrid, Paris, Rome, Stockholm, Tallinn, Vienna, Warsaw /images/graemlins/confused.gif HARE KRISHNA /images/graemlins/cool.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

A person who perfectly meditates on Me acquires My nature of being the supreme ruler and controller. His order, like Mine, can never be frustrated by any means. ____________ Dandavats, hare krishna Nature is Krishna spiritual world. Thats what you get. What does Nature mean? And what does meditate mean? Why would Krishna say He is God, then say somebody else can become God. How stupid can you get. Only a complete fool would say this. Not saying your a fool or anything. Ok maybe I am a little. [don't be offended] .. Ok Maybe be a little offended. That's ok. Now in your anger, tell me what the verse says. Bet is looks really different. What mode of nature are you in now? Krishna is saying by thinking of Him, you go to Him, in the spiritual world. As far as Supreme Ruler and Controller is, that's Uddahva-Gita, I don't know why your reading this. Its very advanced, you don't seem to even understand the concept of God, Jiva, Nature etc. May Lord Nityananda Mercy be with you. Gaura-Nitai! Your servant pankaja_dasa

But all I have to say is, scientists don't give credit to Krishna. !