Pankaja_Dasa

I hope I don't act like that when talking to your friend. Do you have the Folio Infobase. Google search? heh. Just kidding though. First of all Lord Siva is devotee of God.{Krishna} --- That verse which your friend mentioned is I think this: {I am no genious but it's got to be this) Also this verse is to those who deride Krishna /images/graemlins/wink.gif. Goto vedabase.net and see the rest. On this chapter. Krishna says the famous verse 'Fools deride me...' read Purport. It explains fully Bg.9.4 By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them. PURPORT The Supreme Personality of Godhead is not perceivable through the gross material senses. It is said, atah sri-krishna-namadi na bhaved grahyam indriyaih sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah (Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu 1.2.234) Lord Sri Krishna's name, fame, pastimes, etc., cannot be understood by material senses. Only to one who is engaged in pure devotional service under proper guidance is He revealed. In the Brahma-samhita (5.38) it is stated, premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hridayeshu vilokayanti: one can see the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda, always within himself and outside himself if one has developed the transcendental loving attitude towards Him. Thus for people in general He is not visible. Here it is said that although He is all-pervading, everywhere present, He is not conceivable by the material senses. This is indicated here by the word avyakta-murtina. But actually, although we cannot see Him, everything is resting in Him. As we have discussed in the Seventh Chapter, the entire material cosmic manifestation is only a combination of His two different energies -- the superior, spiritual energy and the inferior, material energy. Just as the sunshine is spread all over the universe, the energy of the Lord is spread all over the creation, and everything is resting in that energy. Yet one should not conclude that because He is spread all over He has lost His personal existence. To refute such an argument the Lord says, "I am everywhere, and everything is in Me, but still I am aloof." For example, a king heads a government which is but the manifestation of the king's energy; the different governmental departments are nothing but the energies of the king, and each department is resting on the king's power. But still one cannot expect the king to be present in every department personally. That is a crude example. Similarly, all the manifestations that we see and everything that exists, both in this material world and in the spiritual world, are resting on the energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The creation takes place by the diffusion of His different energies, and, as stated in the Bhagavad-gita, vishtabhyaham idam kritsnam: He is everywhere present by His personal representation, the diffusion of His different energies. --- Bg.7.21 I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity. about the impersonal form AND Supersoul Bg.8.4 Physical nature is known to be endlessly mutable. The universe is the cosmic form of the Supreme Lord, and I am that Lord represented as the Supersoul, dwelling in the heart of every embodied being. Bg.13.14 Everywhere are His hands and legs, His eyes and faces, and He hears everything. In this way the Supersoul exists. Pankaja_dasa thats the supersoul. I used search facility on Folio its good tool to have /images/graemlins/smile.gif jai SRI NITAI!

Hare Krishna So go get a monkey for a Guru, have some faith. Pray to Lord Nityananda. Its not easy. His not just going to come knock on your door and give you Harinama Diksa. jai SRI NITAI!!!

For me it's about trust. I don't trust them at all. I can't see what benefit there is from them. Better even not be a devotee maybe. I also don't really see the benefit of going over this debate. You made some very nice points. Become a Guru Today YES! YOU TOO CAN BE A 'PROXY' all you need to do is sign declaration that you will Blasphmeme all Guru's in Iskcon henceforth. No payement needed this will come later...

If you would like to see qualifications of Ritviks goto their site, and watch and learn how they speak. I used to talk to one when I first came to KC. One of the things he said was this: Goto Iskcon Temple see the Deity BUT Don't converse WITH THE vaishnavas... He was saying basically we should not mix with them. Maybe I should have become a spy;) I don't class them as devotees at all. But I tolerate. Haribol

This whole thread may/not be deleted so.. From your post you sound VERY confuced, so right now I would not make any rash conclutions at all. If you read the Final Order without the extensive and overblown intrepretation given by Ritivk Scoler. Then you will see it is clear enough what Prabhupada wanted and indeed desired. We are all His Divine Graces debtors. Repay it.

wire £100,000 to my Uk account & Keep asking questions but more than anything listening and trying to adhere to make it a practise.

Going on one forum, http://www.iosh.co.uk/index.cfm?go=discussion.view&forum=3&thread=8839&page=1 /images/graemlins/wink.gif I said Hare Krishna at the end. I am so clever.lol jai SRI NITAI!

You must be doing something about this.. Or are you all talk;) Prabhuji jai SRI NITAI! HARE KRISHNA.HARE KRISHNA.KRISHNA KRISHNA.HARE HARE./HARE RAMA.HARE RAMA.RAMA RAMA.HARE HARE

Who is lower. End of the day we all all lowly. haribol jai SRI NITAI!

You can ask same for any prohfit. Reasons differ. We are all on different levels. How we choose depends on your devotion. What do you desire? Prohfit. Mercy of Krishna ___ Looking at it they all lead to God. Impersonal/Personal/Merge {spiritual suicide to Vaishnavas}. Brahmajyoti-all different paths. /images/graemlins/frown.gif Sunshine-Brahmajyoti--Sunglobe-Impersonal aspect-- Core of sun-Krishna. Now what is the best? What do you desire? Ghari always says 'what do you want from God?' Ask that to your Muslim friend. Maybe. jai SRI NITAI

ever heard this saying? You never met a pure devotee. Then you must not trust the potency of Krishna. Who can make Pure devotees. I've never met Bill Gates doesn't mean he doesn't exsist. If you can see the similarity then good. When I hear 'show me the pure devotees' If there are some. I feel the need to say well I know who is not a devotee. {take a look in the mirror} We live in a dual world so there must be many. Take Krishna's hand and let Him guide you. Haribol!

Ok don't take my word for it, here are some quotes. You'd do well to REMEMBER these next time anybody says Islam is not bona-fide. --------- When our constitutional position or dharma is deteriorated due to the contaminations of matter, the Lord Himself comes as an incarnation or sends some of His confidential servitors. Lord Jesus Christ called himself the "son of God," and so is a representative of the Supreme. Similarly, Mohammed identified himself as a servant of the Supreme Lord. Thus whenever there is a discrepancy in our constitutional position, the Supreme Lord either comes Himself or sends His representative to inform us of the real position of the living entity. __On the way to Krsna: The way of chanting and knowing Krsna ... Not in your country. Of course, it was preached in Central Asia, but now Christianism is spread all over. So Lord Jesus Christ, he also preached God consciousness. And Mohammed, Hazrat Mohammed, he also preached God consciousness. __Initiation of Jayapataka, Montreal, July 24, 1968 Prabhupada: Buddha is saktyavesa-avatara. We accept Lord Jesus Christ also, saktyavesa-avatara; Mohammed, saktyavesa-avatara. saktyavesa-avatara means a living entity especially empowered and he preaches the philosophy on behalf... That is called saktyavesa-avatara. There are different types of avataras. Gunavatara, manvantaravatara, yugavatara, lilavatara, saktyavesavatara, like that. They are described in the Caitanya-caritamrta. About avataras. You find out Teachings of Lord Caitanya, avataras. Innumerable avataras. Come here. Find out this chapter. Avatara sankhyeyah. It is compared, just like in the river, the waves are flowing. You cannot count, or in the... What is that? Avatara. Read, read that chapter. __Room Conversation with Prof. Regamay, Professor of Sanskrit at the University of Lausanne, June 4, 1974, Geneva

But are you of Muslim family? The way you talk suggests you are, if your not then my bad. If you are then jai! Tell us all about it.!

Jai! Keep your interest in chemistry just know that you may never become a chemist. Desire. Now theres a good solution to the problem of desiring sence gratification. It's there just leave until in time it should indeed be purified. I was wondering for how to reply to you. So sorry for the delay. Haribol..jai SRI NITAI!

its easy for a devotee? I will have to think about what I say I feel its not for me then. Ok another plan..

I am posting way to much again! This is indeed propaganda by Muslims. I am not quite sure of their motive except. There is one BIG flaw. Like you said Kalki Avatara will come to extablish Dharma and Satya Yuga is to commence. Well you answered your own question. Also if the arguemnt is that it will 'take some time' doesn't wash. Kalki avatara is not like Krishna, Kalki is with a special mission. He comes in kills the miscreants and then leaves. This all started with a somebody with too much time on thier little mind. And viola! Like Buddists they take from Vedas {reject the rest} Now we have Muslims doing the same. Not unheard of! Jai Sri Nitai!

But like you said I am mad. I try to be sane, but my 'real' personality just comes out. If you don't believe check out my posts. They are never consistant lol

One devotee said to me that Srila Prabhupada said it was indeed easy, is this true at all? I wouldn't mind doing one..but not quite sure.

But NO? 2nd q' ....{{{{good luck}}}} jai sri nitai

dya offer oblations? they are telling you something? How you goona call Krsna Ghost Busters! 0800 Krsna

Even Srila Prabhupada Guru deva did not I heard {read the post here} Canto 10 {Rasa-lila} until he was much much older... So it is very amazing to find any devotee who can exhibit these symptoms without wondering if it is true or not? Maybe they can who am I to say? But you have to wonder..is it a hoax. And is their some deep motive behind it? Or If I may tell the truth is it for pride? I think its more experience....you know like when you have a Crush {american word for fancy a girl or boy}. Its when its exploited thats when the trouble starts...thats what Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja fighted to get rid of. Thats why we have certain Bhaktas who talk ill of Maharaja. And if you ARE at that stage {highest} then you can do NO wrong. At this point I would like to provide a ...wink?!

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Work all day like donkeys. What your working for? A new chair? A good Double Bed..? Work Work.. Do you know what your working for? Well DO YOU? Ok say that to your parents at your OWN risk.

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