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ok im sorry

These two lines are contradicting. If your vision is right then why are you seeing even talking whats the difference between you and him .everything is the soul .why are you talking also then ,why do you want to talk to maya. Jai shri radha shyam

what are the basics sir.

Yes such things do happen.That is why people are losing faith. But not all are like that.How would you feel if i said ramakrishna was hungry to eat meat that is why he went on to follow the vaman marg. no this is wrong.

I simply said that different people can have different views about spiriutality. You simply dont know about working without attachment. Such things happen hwen you simply ignore the gita and think those are karam yogis to be non spiritual.Nonsense tantric texts have corrupted your mind. The vedas Mostly talk about living a life as a karam yogi and that is why the yagnas etc.if you think that going to the forest or going to the himalyas just is spritual then youre not fully correct.of course such things do have an impact but what kind of yog will you do if you dont have vairaagya.Vairaagya doesnt necessarily come by going to the forest.

No Dont compare him with others. the tulsidas is not shastra but his ramayan is loved by people all over. It is based on the adhyaatman ramayan. God and his ways are beyond our understanding.It is out of our logic mind. Our logic is based upon the amount of knowledge we have.

Whats the condition according to you to beleive or not to beleive in a scripture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhumavati

wiki Spirituality is matters of the spirit, a concept tied to a spirit world, a multidimensional reality and one or more deities. Spiritual matters regard humankind's ultimate nature and purpose, not as material biological organisms, but as spirits with an eternal relationship beyond the bodily senses, time and the material world. Spirituality implies the mind-body dichotomy, which indicates a separation between the body and soul. Another adj. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul. Of, from, or relating to God; deific. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural. Swami chidanandSpirituality is the essence of life.It is the light that shines on our lives,illuminating our paths,bringing light light to darkness,joy to the sorrow, and meaning to the incomprehensible.And the essense of spirituality?Essence of spirituality is service.As one goes deeper on a spiritual path and one gets closer and closer to realisation and elightenment,one realises That the divine resides in everythin.One begins to see Gods presence in every person,animal and every plant. end. Sambya youre trying to explain your own definition of spiritual.Is it one from vivekanadas books. One who has started enquiring about his existense and is living in such a way is considered to be spiritual. There are different ways people take spirituality to be.

Just now your tilte of your thread says so.

Kaiserose to an large extent we are the crator/maker of our own destiny

Devi bhagwatam -34. Nârâyana said:-- “O Devarsi! The egg (born of Mûla Prakriti) that was floating in the waters for a period equal to the life period of Brahmâ, now in the fullness of time separated into two parts. Within that egg there was a powerful Child, lustrous like one thousand millions of suns. This child could not suck mother’s milk, as it was forsaken by Her. So being tired of hunger, the child for a moment cried repeatedly. The child that will become the Lord of countless Brahmândas (universes), now an orphan having no father nor mother began to look upwards from the waters. This boy came to be denominated afterwards by the name of Mahâ Virât, when he became gross and grosser. As there is nothing finer than radium so there is nothing grosser than Mahâ Virât. The power of this Mahâ Virât is one-sixteenth of that of S’ri Krisna, the Highest Self. But this boy, (born of the Prakriti Râdhâ) is the Sole Stay of all this Universe and he is denominated by the name “Mahâ-Visnu”. In his every pore countless universes are existing. So much so that even S’ri Krisna could not count them. If it were possible to count the number of dust particles, it is impossible to count the number of universes. So there are endless Brahmâs, Visnus, and Mahes’varas. In every Brahmânda, there is Brahmâ, Visnu, and Mahes’a. Each Brahmânda extends from Pâtâla to the Brahmâloka. The abode of Vaikuntha is higher than that (i. e. it is situated outside of Brahmânda), again the abode of Goloka is fifty koti yojanas (50 x 10 x 4 x 2 million miles) higher than Vaikuntha. This Goloka Dhâma is eternal and real as S’ri Krisna is eternal and real Sri krisna is golokinath the highest spiritual planet that is why he is supreme. Maha vishnu,narayana is the lord of everything he is non different from krishna. whatt is your query please tell i dont understand

i meant that only. The Shiva Mahimna Stotra is very popular among the devotees of Lord Shiva and is considered one of the best among all Stotras (or Stutis) offered to Lord Shiva. The legend about the composition of this Stotra is as follows. A king named Chitraratha had constructed a nice garden. There were beautiful flowers in this garden. These flowers were used every day by the king in worshipping Lord Shiva. One day a Gandharva (Singer in the court of Indra, the Lord of the Heaven) named Pushhpadanta being fascinated by the beautiful flowers, began to steal them, as a consequence of which king Chitraratha could not offer flowers to Lord Shiva. He tried very hard to capture the thief, but in vain, because the Gandharvas have divine power to remain invisible. Finally the king spread the Shiva Nirmaalya in his garden. Shiva Nirmaalya consists of the Bilva leaves, flowers, et cetera which have been used in worshipping Lord Shiva. The Shiva Nirmaalya is considered holy. The thief Pushhpadanta, not knowing this, walked on the Shiva Nirmaalya, and by that he incurred the wrath of Lord Shiva and lost the divine power of invisibility. He then designed a prayer to Lord Shiva for forgiveness. In this prayer he sung the greatness of the Lord. This very prayer became well known as the `Shiva Mahimna Stotra'. Lord Shiva became pleased by this StotraM, and returned Pushhpadanta's divine powers.

YA thanks ill listen to it some time But this stotram was sung by pushpadanta. Where is this shiva mahima stotram writtrn is it a part of shiva puraan.

I know it is mentioned in the bhagwatam also shiva is beyond 3 gunas.But which one. where is this from may i ask hindustani ji.. Is this from shiva mahima stotram.

I dont have a problem With people worshipping shiva for liberation. But shaivites as usual dont want to look at other texts and when they wont accept vishnu also in the same category and come up with their tamo guni puraanic stories.But then their philosophy makes them advaitin when the say shivohum.This is not even vedik.If they dont want to look at other texts and do as they like then they do as they like. ho am i to judge ,they do as they like. Shiva grants them liberation so it is valid. shiva is same as vishnu so it is valid.

can you give an example i dont understand . the vedic yagnas performed are not spiritual? I thought vedas are perfect

I said maybe i never heard of Such a flower not being offered to vishnu Where did you get this from. Please tell me. I remember shri ram eating jhootha fruits offered by shabri. So such a thing doesnt apply. If any shastra says it then well talk.

So i think it is the hibiscus only what i heard of.

1. Importance of flowers in puja ritual There are subtle frequencies of deities active in the atmosphere. These frequencies are attracted towards certain flowers. These frequencies are then emitted back into atmosphere and are then known as ‘ pavitrak ’. Before we come to the topic of spiritual benefits of offering flowers, let us first see the difference between frequencies and pavitraks . The subtle principle of deities attracted to a flower from space is called frequencies while the same deity principle when gets emited into atmosphere is called as pavitrak . The frequencies are subtle most and comparatively more unmanifest ( nirgun ) form of deity principle while a pavitrak is the subtle and manifest form of the same deity principle. Let us now see the subtle drawing of a Hibiscus flower The Ganesh principle present in the universe gets attracted towards the central space of the red coloured Hibiscus flower and is emitted in the form of circles. The Ganesh principle which is absorbed by the stem of the flower gets emitted through the petals in the atmosphere. The stamen of the flower absorbs the Ganesh principle present in the atmosphere and emits the particles which donate vital energy or pranshakti . The Hibiscus flower is of raja-sattva nature. As a result divine energy ( shakti ) and divine consciousness ( chaitanya ) are emitted from its petals. Thus this subtle drawing must have made it clear to our viewers as to how the frequencies of deity principles are attracted towards flower and how through the medium of various parts of flower the same deity frequencies are emitted in the atmosphere in the form of pavitraks . Thus it is quite clear that the emission or projection of deity principles and pavitraks is a process taking place at a spiritual level. The effect of this process is multifold. One of this is reduction in the strengh of raja-tama principle present in the atmosphere. The negative energies present in the atmosphere get distressed due to the deity principle pavitraks projected by the sattvik flowers. Their tama component dominated energy or what we call as black energy is either reduce or gets destroyed. In short the sattvik flowers fight with the negative energies present in the atmosphere by emitting frequencies of deity principles. Such flowers when brought into contact with a person suffering from the distress of negative energy then the negative energy which has entered the person subsides. To understand this topic clearly will have to first know the distinction between ‘Negative energy’ and ‘black energy’. There are some distressing energies in the atmosphere which trouble us. They are subtle in nature. They are called ‘negative energies’. The energy of deities is known by the terms such as chaitanya (divine consciousness), bliss( ananda ) and shanti (peace) while the energy of negative energies is known as ‘black energy’. The deities are sattva predominant while the negative energies are tama predominant! A deity looks after our welfare whereas negative energies does us harm. When a person is severely affected by the negative energy distress, his control over his mind, body and intellect is reduced and that of negative energy is increased. This affects the thoughts, emotions etc of the person. Such an affected person when come in contact with an atmosphere predominant in sattva component then there is friction between the positive sattva atmosphere and negative energy. This can manifest in various forms. This may be in the form of a simple thought of leaving the place or a violent reaction. Sometimes these destructive thoughts can become manifest on a physical level. Under such circumstances the negative energy may manifest grossly in the form of sudden burst of anger, shouting, throwing of objects and not only this, it may take any form of destruction such as plundering and breaking of surrounding things. This must have definitely introduced you to the topic of distressing or negative energies. So let us move back to the original topic where we are going to see the effect of sattvik flowers on negative energies. Let us see the effect of hibiscus flower on the woman suffering from distress of negative energy in the subtle dimension with the help of a subtle drawing. Shri Ganesh principle frequencies present in the universe get attracted to the Hibiscus flower. The attracted frequencies get converted into shakti and chaitanya and are emitted in the atmosphere. The emitted energy is of destroyer type that it reduces the covering of black energy generated by the negative energy around the woman. There is formation of chaitanya in the heart of the woman as a result of emitted chaitanya . The subtle particles of destroyer form of energy are projected in the atmosphere. This subtle drawing must have helped you to understand the importance of sattvik flowers. When we offer such sattvik flowers to a deity during puja then the deity frequencies are emitted from the flowers on a large scale. This not only benefits the worshipper but also makes the surrounding atmosphere sattvik .

where is such a thing written. iv never heard of it. One reason can be because these flowers can be tamasic or rajasic and vishnu is considered triguna sattvic maybe thats why. But ive never heard of such a thing. Remember ramayan. This is not a petty issue i just asked a question about the logic behind such rituals of offering only males also ive mentioned the reason which you still dont accept. Anyway those who had to understand and i hope youve also understood why i posed this question.Im sorry if i hurt intentions. A man can do yagnas,it is mentioned in the bhagwad gita.It is a part of karama yoga. So u cant call it non spiritual. Bhagwad gita is perfect knowledge and i hope you understand that.

Easy for people like you to run off when you cant answer and accept your own weaknesses.

Interesting so you agree sacrificing rituals are not spiritual. Your hibiscus arguments dont enter here. Sacrifices are said to be part of vedas so is that not spiriual i dont thinks so. But they are to be performed By brahmins under conditions. I criticize this ritual sacrifice above because the reason is not very appealing and is in a way feminine......

I know sambya or any shakt wont answer this. The answer is because the female principal is worshipped as mother and so they wont sacrifice females. But isnt the male father. Thats an answer in itself when someone asked me why vaishnavs here call shakth religions foolish.

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