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Bhagavadgita 10:23 Of all the Rudras I am Lord Siva; of the Yaksas and Raksasas I am the Lord of wealth [Kuvera]; of the Vasus I am fire [Agni], and of mountains I am Meru. So people, stop crying that prabhupada was implying lord siva is demigod. Krishna himself said he is SIVA.(As per prabhupada translation). Thanks smiley for bringing that up.

Here is my two cents on this: Krishna(god) doesnt know what shirt i am goining to wear tomorrow.If he knew it means he has FIXED it.Why god fix such an inconsequential thing? God knows about something when he makes it happen And i think GOD doesnt bother about running the affairs of world on a day to day basis.

An excellent discussion here indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/445621-kalki-avatar-2.html. People should search the forums before opeing threads to avoid repeat posts.

Amlesh, Egoism is not a bad thing in itself.But your problem is stupidity and shallowness; and your own stupidity hurts your ego. Let me illustrate your stupidity in this thread. Iskconite have every right to be biased and if u want to show that they are wrong, use logic and scriptures and not a missionary article which says gita is copied from bible. BTW what is lovely about a missionary thoughts that gita was copied from bible?. If ur shallow and stupid mind thinks Gita is not known what business u have writing here? except To show ur stupidity. Really? ARJ who endorses this article that gita is not the spoken word of God is better than Iskonite?. Amlesh, just reread what u wrote and u will know what is ur problem.

Animal fat is not healthy especially when derived from sedentary animals. nal.usda.gov/fnic/dga/dga95/lowfat.html

Have a look at this youtube.com/watch?v=_EWwzFwUOxA The child in this video apparently said things which he couldnot have heard. This could be one of those many proofs provided the parents are not lying.

Thanks; May be the egoistic people realise this truth and stop this nonsensical fighting.

Well said

I backed up what i say regarding arj.He is a christian posing as a hindu. Do u have any evidence for your wild personal allegations against me? Just show one evidence for your wild fanciful allegations. I asked you for the answer it seems you are avoiding it Is that the basis for your wild allegations rofl ARJ spent about 2 years on this forum and he says ( indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/449697-marriages-gods-2.html) Amlesh the point here is why a hindu who is on board at this forum for 2 years make such stupid posts... BTW have a look at your posts on page-1 about me What makes you change your opinion so drastically?

U need not be surprised.That is the way a missionary mind works. For example missionaries say Brahma(prajapathi) mentioned in vedas is actually jesus. Jesus promises in bible that the people of the place who dont want to listen to his gospels will be punished with fire and brimstone at the day of judgement. Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. . Jesus referring to Sodom and Gomorrha in OLD TESTAMENT (GENESIS 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;) that is the doctrine of christianity.The christian god cannot tolerate not worshipping him or his son jesus.

Have we met before?? How many times? Hmmm , arent you making too many guesses How does it make you sick? BTW did u read the posts of arj in this page?

indiadivine.org/audarya/hinduism/23319-does-vedas-approves-krishna-supreme-god.htm idaM viSNurvi cakrame tredhA ni dadhe padam samULhamasya pAMsure || RV 1.22.17 || trINi . vi cakrame viSNurgopA adAbhyaH ato dharmANi dhArayan || RV 1.22.18 || As you can see, these mantras name Vishnu as the preserver of the world, and indicate that He traversed the whole world, which is collected as the dust in His footprints. All attributes of a Supreme Deity, wouldn't you say? tad viSNoH paramaM padaM sadA pashyanti sUrayaH divIva cakSurAtatam || RV 1.22.20 || This states that the seers see always that "Supreme Abode" of Vishnu. Hmmm, "supreme abode..." does that, like, mean He's God or something? tad viprAso vipanyavo jAgRvAMsaH samindhate viSNoryat paramaM padam || RV 1.22.21 || And yet another reference to the "Supreme Abode" of Vishnu. Is it me, or do you see a trend here? Now here is a reference to Vishnu as the creator of the three worlds: viSNornu kaM vIryANi pra vocaM yaH pArthivAni vimamerajAMsi yo askabhAyaduttaraM sadhasthaM vicakramANastredhorugAyaH || RV 1.154.1 || Hmmm, so not only is He the preserver, but also the creator? All functions of a supreme Deity, wouldn't you say? pra tad viSNu stavate vIryeNa mRgo na bhImaH kucaro giriSThAH yasyoruSu triSu vikramaNeSvadhikSiyanti bhuvanAni vishvA || RV 1.152.2 || Now this says that the three worlds abide in Vishnu's three paces. So, again, we have an explicit reference describing Lord Vishnu as the maintainer of the three worlds. That hardly sounds like the function of an administrative devata. Or maybe you think such a position can be applied for? pra viSNave shUSametu manma girikSita urugAyAya vRSNe ya idaM dIrghaM prayataM sadhasthameko vimame tribhirit padebhiH || RV 1.154.3 || And another reference to Vishnu, "who alone made, by three steps, these three worlds." Gee... He did that all by Himself with three steps? Does that make Him, OMNIPOTENT or something? And what is one of the qualities of a Supreme God? yasya trii puurNaa madhunaa padaanyakShiiyamaaNaa svadhayaa madanti ya u tridhaatu pR^ithiviim uta dyaam eko daadhaara bhuvanaani vishvaa || RV 1.154.4 || And yet again, Vishnu as the maintainer of the three worlds. Hey, Atlas only held up one world. Vishnu holds up all three! tA vaM vAstUnyushmasi gamadhyai yatra gAvo bhUrishRN^gAayAsaH atrAha tadurugAyasya vRSNaH paramaM padamava bhAti bhUri || RV 1.154.6 || And yet again, the "Supreme station" of Vishnu. Hey, who does this Vishnu guy think He is living in that Supreme Station? Oh wait, He's the Supreme God. That's right. Yeah, those dumb Vaishnavites. Maybe they should read the following shruti: agnirvai devAnamavamo viShNuH paramaH || aitareya brAhmaNa 1.1.1 || Oh wait, that says that among devatas, Agni is "lowest" and Vishnu is "highest." So, that supports what the Vaishnavas say! Oh, well never mind. We don't agree with that, so let's ignore it! Those poor, dumb Vaishnavites, they should have read the following shruti mantra: aniravamo devatAnAM viShNuH paramaH || taittirIya saMhitA 5.5.1 || Err, wait a minute! That's also saying the same thing, that Vishnu is the highest devata! I'm sorry, poor dear! asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viSNoreSasya prabhRthe havirbhiH vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat || RV 7.40.5 || This makes it abundantly clear that Rudra derives his power from worship of Vishnu! The person arj claiming to be hindu and being a member of this forum from december 2006 didnt read those excellent posts and pose silly questions is surprising....

indiadivine.org/audarya/hinduism/23145-lord-vishnu-supreme-also-worship-lord-brahma.html quote from the above link Quote: <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-left: 3ex; padding-right: 3ex;" bgcolor="#e0e0e0"> The Vedas say little about Lord Vishnu, which is surprising if he is supposed to be the supreme God. </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- END TEMPLATE: bbcode_quote --> It is time for ignoramus idiots like you to stop posting irritating posts like this. Read below. idaM viSNurvi cakrame tredhA ni dadhe padam samULhamasya pAMsure || RV 1.22.17 || trINi . vi cakrame viSNurgopA adAbhyaH ato dharmANi dhArayan || RV 1.22.18 || tad viSNoH paramaM padaM sadA pashyanti sUrayaH divIva cakSurAtatam || RV 1.22.20 || tad viprAso vipanyavo jAgRvAMsaH samindhate viSNoryat paramaM padam || RV 1.22.21 || viSNornu kaM vIryANi pra vocaM yaH pArthivAni vimamerajAMsi yo askabhAyaduttaraM sadhasthaM vicakramANastredhorugAyaH || RV 1.154.1 || pra tad viSNu stavate vIryeNa mRgo na bhImaH kucaro giriSThAH yasyoruSu triSu vikramaNeSvadhikSiyanti bhuvanAni vishvA || RV 1.152.2 || pra viSNave shUSametu manma girikSita urugAyAya vRSNe ya idaM dIrghaM prayataM sadhasthameko vimame tribhirit padebhiH || RV 1.154.3 || yasya trii puurNaa madhunaa padaanyakShiiyamaaNaa svadhayaa madanti ya u tridhaatu pR^ithiviim uta dyaam eko daadhaara bhuvanaani vishvaa || RV 1.154.4 || tA vaM vAstUnyushmasi gamadhyai yatra gAvo bhUrishRN^gAayAsaH atrAha tadurugAyasya vRSNaH paramaM padamava bhAti bhUri || RV 1.154.6 || agnirvai devAnamavamo viShNuH paramaH || aitareya brAhmaNa 1.1.1 || aniravamo devatAnAM viShNuH paramaH || taittirIya saMhitA 5.5.1 || asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viSNoreSasya prabhRthe havirbhiH vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat || RV 7.40.5 |

Ohh i see; So u want to SAVE the christians :rolleyes:. U havent yet answered the question.Is jesus your savior.Not that i have any objection.But be honest.

Ohh yes, his expert knowledge on hinduism is derived from christian sources(His thread is based on christian sources)

Plight? nope.I am trying to put things in perspective.. No need to adopt the kind of attitude displayed by missionaries.But i do call bluff when i see one..

I said, i gathered ,not concluded No need of algorihms; i spent time discussing religion with christians and muslims, so i know how things works. The reason i suspect that he was a muslim is his vocabulary(kaafir). Have u heard a hindu talking abt kaafirs in a matter of pure hindu spirituality?? i know lot of christians criticize krishna for killing kamsa and sisupala.. and add it to his article from christian sources..u know what he is batting for... How do u know amlesh? have u read all of them.Sorry, if i am blunt.

Amlesh , ARJ is not attacking iskonites or vaishnavaites; he is attacking hinduism.What i can gather from his posts is He is a born muslim converted to christianity.His posts concentrating on killing of shisupala and kouravas makes it clear that his next agenda is to show jesus is superior to krishna. ARJ come out of your closet and tell us; do u think jesus is all about love????. Do you think jesus is unconditional in his love? Be honest.

I am not a vaishnavite .U can easily deduce that fact from my earlier posts(they are few, btw) Plss be honest; tell us, are u a born muslim? Hindus never use islamic words like kaafir,PBUH etc

Gandhiji must have learnt his lesson when his concept of AHIMSA failed miserably in stopping the genocide by muslims during partition of india. He also must have realised that the only way to fight evil is with might and not with ahimsa.

. ROFL, who said their duty is to kill?????. I havent seen such a foolish comment till now. ARJ, tell me are u a closet muslim?.I can gather this from your previous posts referring to kaafirs and pbuh kind of words.

This thread is hijacked by commercial people.. :mad: As explained by Ravindran faith in god is all that is needed. Just pray to your ishta deva.

unable to know Him the Supreme Lord...That is the key phrase.The worshippers of the demigods worship for the sake of material benefits here and hereafter and so they are granted their wishes accordingly. U will be a fool if u worship Shiva as a granter of ur wishes.But if u worship Shiva with a view to be with Supreme Lord then u will reach the god.Name is not important it is the intent behind the worship. BG 9.22: But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My transcendental form — to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they have. BG 9.23: Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kuntī, but they do so in a wrong way. BG 9.24: I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down. Another key phrase here is "Recognising the transcendental nature". Worshipping for the sake of grants is explained as "seeking the heavenly planets" in 9:20 below. BG 9.20: Those who study the Vedas and drink the soma juice, seeking the heavenly planets, worship Me indirectly. Purified of sinful reactions, they take birth on the pious, heavenly planet of Indra, where they enjoy godly delights. BG 9.21: When they have thus enjoyed vast heavenly sense pleasure and the results of their pious activities are exhausted, they return to this mortal planet again. Thus those who seek sense enjoyment by adhering to the principles of the three Vedas achieve only repeated birth and death. Again no punishment really . You get what u pray for .

Where did it say that people go to hell for worshipping other than krishna?