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  1. Or as SP used to say, imitating them:

    "Bring black money, white money, just bring money!"

    Golly gee, sounds like I$KCON to me! Surely we all have stories to tell of how monies were `acquired`...nowadays, poor renunciants do seem to be discouraged, particularly if they are physically unable to do so-called `practical` service. A religion that focuses on externals, at the expense of internals, loses it's soul. Ignoring the poor and less `fortunate` in favour of maintaining a well-established congregation, heart is lost as well. Street sankirtan (as Tarun so rightly continues to point out), is the life blood of Sri Caitanya's movement. If mercy is not shared, how can it be expected to grow? My experiences recently are mostly with the Toronto temple. Please do not take offense if this does not apply.

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    Just another dejected rejected fallen soul

    ...valaya

     

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com


  2. Originally posted by Bhaktavasya:

    When the poets unite

    in praise of Her

    We forget how to fight

    In love we're secure

     

    Even Krishna is defeated

    By Her mysterious ways

    May Radhe remain seated

    In our hearts, night and day

    Nice, prabhu! In our heart-of-hearts, are we not all poets? Please note my corrected version of 'Love Minus Zero' above--found a website with all the lyrics for Bob Dylan's songs. Have you heard Leonard Cohen's new album? I saw a documentary on him the other night.

     

    valaya

     

     

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com


  3. Dear Jijai prabhu, Can't let this vividly beautiful thread of your's slip away without some positive comment. I really enjoy these descriptions of Mother Kali--wild or what, eh? Please don't misinterpret or be offended if I say she's my kinda gal!

     

    Of course, my perspective is that everything and everyone is included in Sri Radhika as the basis of Krsna's internal potency that supports all His other energies. Some may consider Radha merely a sweet, innocent young girl. She does have another side, though...at least to my mind! Haribol!!!

     

    valaya

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com


  4. Originally posted by krsnaraja:

    I surrender unto the supREME LORD, sRi Krsna`s internal poTency, Srimati Radharani. May her divinelove blessings shower to whom she has FavOred. Who can resist Her.Even the Lord Sri Chaitanya Krsna Mahaprabhu was captivated by Her beauty. How much mOre I`m just a puppet tied on strings to Her wonderful digits. Even if She severs my ties to Her, I will always remain a dancing puppet who comes to answer her call to be with Her on the dance floor in case Her Beloved sRi Krsna`s not arOund. May Her Lady, the Supreme Goddess be merciful to me.

     

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    Very sweet, prabhu!

     

     

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com


  5. "The Art of Spiritual Life"

     

    Remembrances of Srila Prabhupada by Jadurani Devi Dasi

     

    Respected brothers and sisters, Dandavat pranamas. Jaya Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga.

     

    I am in the midst of writing a book of my experiences with Srila Prabhupada. It will take some time for the actual book to be published. Some proof reading and other work is still required. In the meantime, I am respectfully submitting to you the almost final version. It has all the information the final book will have, but it has some typos here and there. Please excuse me for whatever mistakes are there. In this way you can start reading it now, if you like.

     

    My so many thanks to the devotees who have helped ready this publication, especially to Srimati Madhurika devi dasi, Srimati Premavati devi dasi, Srimati Radha-kanta devi dasi and her husband Sriman Mayapura dasa Adhikari, Srimati Sita devi dasi, Ratna Stone, Sriman Yogesvara dasa Adhikari, and Sriman Satyaraja dasa Adhikari.

     

    Your aspiring servant, Jadurani dasi

     

    The manuscript has been posted at the Gaudiya Vedanta Library in web-page format, .rtf-format, and Acrobat Reader format for easy reading at:

     

    http://www.gaudiya.net/art/


  6. I've been using an electric kefir maker available from Teldon, Canada with soymilk. Kefir is like yogurt, but not as thick (electric maker not essential). However, it can be drained to make a kind of cream cheese.

     

    The culture consists of tiny grains that last indefinitely. Room temperature or a bit more than 100 degrees F. is fine and sterilization of containers is not so important as it is with yogurt. Natural or 'original' flavour must be used and certain brands work better than others. Vitasoy or Soydream is good. My favourite is So Nice Original (Canadian).

     

    The grains are contained in a little plastic container that floats on the surface of the milk. They must be kept with the milk in the fridge when not in use. Once used with Soy, the same culture cannot be used for dairy milk, and vice versa. Kefir soymilk is more easily digested than regular and has similar benefits to yogurt cultured dairy.

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 01-08-2002).]


  7. Sorry, here are the proper lyrics:

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    LOVE MINUS ZERO/NO LIMIT

     

    Words and Music by Bob Dylan

    1965 Warner Bros. Inc

    Renewed 1993 Special Rider Music

     

     

    My love she speaks like silence,

    Without ideals or violence,

    She doesn't have to say she's faithful,

    Yet she's true, like ice, like fire.

    People carry roses,

    Make promises by the hours,

    My love she laughs like the flowers,

    Valentines can't buy her.

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 01-09-2002).]


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    S a n g a  Sunday, December 9, 2001

     

     

    Re: From Honoring All Beings to Causeless Love

     

    "For the spiritual practitioner, true morality and compassion for others beyond convention is the result of seeing God in the world. The neophyte lacks strong moral fiber and compassion for others due to his

    underdeveloped realization of the all-encompassing nature of his object of love."

     

    Q & A with Swami B.V. Tripurari:

     

    Q. In your October editorial you wrote the following: "Compassion for humanity is the shadow of spiritual compassion that one must pass through to enter the heart of God-conscious empathy." Could you write

    more about this?

     

    A. Thakura Bhaktivinoda says it like this:

     

    sakale sammana korite sakati deho 'natha yatayatha tabe to' gaibo hari nama suke aparadha ha'be hata

     

    "O Lord! Give me the power to properly honor everyone equally, for then I will be able to chant the holy name happily, free from offense."

     

    Our perfection lies in chanting purely, free from offense, and this involves appropriately honoring all living beings. Others are not to be seen as objects of exploitation, which is the unfortunate result of material attachment. When we become materially attached to someone, we objectify him or her and deny them their own life in relation to God, making them objects of our sense indulgence. We are to see all living beings as manifestations of God‹his sakti.

     

    For the spiritual practitioner, true morality and compassion for others beyond convention is the result of seeing God in the world. The neophyte lacks strong moral fiber and compassion for others due to his underdeveloped realization of the all-encompassing nature of his object of love.

     

    Q. Can books on morality or positive thinking be helpful to those who want

    to attain the ideal of bhakti?

     

    A. Books discussing the value of moral life and good character can be helpful for those who come to bhakti without these things in place. Indeed, many of Prabhupada's purports focus on these and other subjects that are not core Gaudiya material, but are foundational to spiritual life. Ultimately we must broaden our understanding of the object of our love such that it includes all things animate and inanimate, seeing them as Krsna's energy. Then we will cease to exploit the world for the purpose of our senses and utilize instead everything in the service of Krsna. Thus the circle of moral life is included within the larger circle of spiritual experience.

     

     

     

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  9. Originally posted by talasiga:

    Frozen Heart

     

    I see a moonlit Radha

    Under a lonely maple tree

    The snow that came to imprison her

    Is captured in her jewellery

     

    I see a moonlit Radha

    Standing on an icy throne

    Her warm feet make holy water

    For the thirsty and forlorn

     

    Some say she is only found in India

    Others say she has no home

    Some do only find her

    When they begin to roam

     

    Some say she is the closest Goddess

    Others say she can never be met

    But those who sing, "Radhe"

    Will come to know her secret

     

    I see a moonlit Radha

    Under a lonely maple tree

    Her warm feet make holy water

    As she stands on an icy throne.

     

     

     

    Beautiful! Thank you, Talasiga. Radhe Radhe always Radhe!!!

     

     

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 01-06-2002).]


  10. Mystic Christmas

     

    Christmas is upon us. In many countries around the world, an

    almost frantic activity descends as the pressures of the

    holidays mount. However, there is another way to view

    Christmas, and that is through the eyes of the mystic.

     

    Mysticism is concerned with non-attachment to the material world

    and with oneness with God.

    Mysticism looks past the illusion of the material and is focused

    on the true nature of reality, which is God.

     

    Christmas is about Christ. Lets take time to see Christmas from

    a mystical perspective. On the one hand, Christmas seems very

    focused on Santa Claus. Santa plays a very important role in

    Christmas, because Santa is the Christmas symbol of illusion.

    Santa seems very real to children around the world because its

    considered part of the spirit of Christmas to perpetuate the

    illusion of a jolly fat man, dressed in red, bringing gifts if

    you have been good. Just as children grow up to learn that

    Santa is not real, also we must learn to see past the illusion

    of worldliness and focus on the truth of Christmas, which is

    Christ.

     

    Several months ago the popular American comedic actor Drew Carey

    was interviewed on an equally popular television talk show, The

    View. Mr. Carey surprised the audience when he addressed the

    value of telling children the truth about Santa Claus.

     

    "I don't think you should tell kids that there is a Santa

    Claus," he said. "That's the first lie you tell your children."

    Instead, "tell kids that Santa's a character we made up to

    celebrate a time of the season." Otherwise "when kids get to be

    5 ... they realize their parents have been lying to them their

    whole life."

     

    How did Santa Claus enter the picture? Why is this mythical

    figure so closely aligned with the Christmas holiday? Many books

    are available to shed light on the origins of this popular

    character.

     

    "Santa Claus" is an American corruption of the Dutch form "San

    Nicolaas," a figure brought to America by the early Dutch

    colonists (The Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th edition, Vol. 19,

    p. 649, "Nicholas, St."). This name, in turn, stems from St.

    Nicholas, bishop of the city of Myra in southern Asia Minor, a

    Catholic saint honored by the Greeks and the Latins on Dec. 6.

     

    He was bishop of Myra in the time of the Roman emperor

    Diocletian, was persecuted, tortured for the Catholic faith and

    kept in prison until the more tolerant reign of Constantine

    (ibid.). Various stories claim a link from Christmas to St.

    Nicholas, all of them having to do with gift-giving on the eve

    of St. Nicholas, subsequently transferred to Christmas Day

    (ibid.).

     

    How, we might ask, did a bishop from the sunny Mediterranean

    coast of Turkey come to be associated with a red-suited man who

    lives at the north pole and rides in a sleigh pulled by flying

    reindeer?

     

    The trappings associated with Santa Claus-his fur-trimmed

    wardrobe, sleigh and reindeer-reveal his origin from the cold

    climates of the far North. Some sources trace him to the ancient

    Northern European gods Woden and Thor, from which the days of

    the week Wednesday (Woden's day) and Thursday (Thor's day) get

    their designations (Earl and Alice Count, pp. 56-64). Others

    trace him even farther back in time to the Roman god Saturn and

    the Greek god Silenus (William Walsh, The Story of Santa Klaus,

    pp. 70-71).

     

    If Santa symbolizes illusion and we are to learn to see past

    illusion to the true nature of reality, then what is the true

    nature of Christmas? Of course, it is Christ himself and his

    message.

     

    Christ said "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30)

     

    Christians know this verse well, but some forget that later

    Christ prayed the following:

     

    John 17:

    15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world,

    but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

    16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

    17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

    18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent

    them into the world.

    19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might

    be sanctified through the truth.

    20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall

    believe on me through their word;

    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I

    in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may

    believe that thou hast sent me.

    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that

    they may be one, even as we are one:

    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in

    one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and

    hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

     

    Please note verse 23, where Jesus prayed that "I in them, and

    thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one." The message

    here is oneness plain and simple. Oneness with Christ and

    through him, oneness with God the Father.

     

    Mysticism is also about non-attachment to this world. Christ

    also taught this.

     

    Luke 12:

    22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: "Therefore I tell you, do

    not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your

    body, what you will wear.

    23 Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes.

    24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no

    storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more

    valuable you are than birds!

    25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life [2]

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    26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry

    about the rest?

    27 "Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet

    I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed

    like one of these.

    28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is

    here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more

    will he clothe you, O you of little faith!

    29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do

    not worry about it.

    30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your

    Father knows that you need them.

    31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you

    as well.

    32 "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been

    pleased to give you the kingdom.

     

    Jesus taught us not to get involved in materialism for our focus

    is not on this current world, but our relationship with God, for

    we are the children of God.

     

    Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit

    that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then

    heirs--heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we

    suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

     

    How much more wonderful is it to allow Christmas to be a time of

    fellowship and peace with our family as we realize we are all

    children of God. Our destiny is so awesome because we will

    someday share the divinity of Christ, for we are heirs of God

    and joint heirs with Christ.

     

    "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" (John

    10:34) Thus Jesus answered the Jews, when they accused him of

    blasphemy for telling them, "I and my Father are one."

     

    As Jesus put it, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall

    see God" (Matthew 5:8).

     

    The mystical message of Chrismas then, is not to focus on the

    illusions Christmas offers, but to focus on what is important,

    which is your relationship with Christ and his message of

    seeking the Kingdom and of striving to be one with God and your

    fellow man. Christmas is truly about peace on earth and good

    will towards men. Focus on the love of Christ and let that be

    your greatest gift to others as you celebrate this time of gift

    giving.

     

    2 Corinthians 4:6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine

    out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light

    of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus

    Christ!

     

    Have a Mystic Christmas!

     

    The Reluctant Messenger

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    The world's religions and science are pieces to a puzzle

    that need one another to achieve a complete picture.

    http://www.reluctant-messenger.com/main.htm

     

    P.S. Feel free to share this with others as a gift of Christmas.

     

     


  11. Hinduism: This is the sum of duty--do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you. Mahabharata 5:1575

     

    Buddhism: Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful. Udana-Varga 5.18

     

    Confucianism: One word which sums up the basis of all good conduct...loving kindness. Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself. Confucius Analects 15.23

     

    Taoism: Regard your neighbour's gain as your own gain, and your neighbour's loss as your own loss. T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien, 213-218

     

    Sikhism: I am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all. Guru Granth Sahib, pg.1299

     

    Christianity: In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets. Jesus, Matthew 7:12

     

    Unitarianism: We affirm and promote respect for the independent web of existence of which we are a part. Unitarian principle

     

    Native Spirituality: We are as much alive as we keep the earth alive. Chief Dan George

     

    Zoroastrianism: Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself. Shayast-na-Shayast 13.29

     

    Jainism: One should treat all creatures in the world as one would like to be treated. Mahavira, Sutrakritanga

     

    Judaism: What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole Torah; all the rest is commentary. Hillel, Talmud, Shabbat 31a

     

    Islam: Not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself. The Prophet Muhammad, Hadith

     

    Baha'i Faith: Lay not on any soul a load that you would not wish to be laid upon you, and desire not for any one the things you would not desire for yourself. Baha'u'llah, Gleanings


  12. I used to appreciate his cutting humour far more. That show was mostly just gross! A few good fart jokes, for old farts like me, but otherwise he loked like an ignorant a..hole and proud of it.

     

    Seems to be losing whatever class he might have had and pandering to the least intelligent. Might have gone over at a bar full of drunks or perhaps a rock concert...

     

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  13. jijaji:

    "To be a true lover, one must be able to make a frog dance in the mouth of a snake" (which means the lover, while playing with dangerous passion, nay, while apparently running even to the very mouth of destruction, must possess the self- control to return unhurt). "This love may be attained by one who can suspend the highest peak of Mount Sumeru in the air with a thread, or bind an elephant with a gossamer."7

    I found this true through painful personal experience, possible only with the shelter of Sri Radha. The path is certainly not recommended for everyone, but the shelter is. JAI RADHE!

     

    valaya RR

     

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  14. If Lord Chaitanya is seen simply as another appearance of Krsna or Vishnu, re-establishing religious principles (vaidhi) like any other avatara; rather than completely immersed in the mood of Sri Radha (raganuga), refusing to be identified as anything other than a devotee Himself and wishing only to distribute Her love unconditionally to everyone, the true essence of this `hidden avatara` remains lost in religion.

     

    To actually realize His Divine Grace requires surrender to Her in Him with the faith of a raganuga bhakta, something few are immediately capable of, thus the attempts to vaidhify His teachings in an effort to distribute the chanting of the Holy Names more widely.

     

    It behooves us all to delve deeply and become essence seekers as recommended by Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur and Srila Sridhara-deva Goswami Maharaja, otherwise there is the risk of becoming trapped in the negative trappings of evangelistic religion and similarly entangling others.

     

    Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada spread the Holy Names world-wide as never before and established preaching centers and an international society so that the association of pure devotees would be readily available to all. He used so many `trappings` to great effect, thereby casting a very wide net indeed.

     

    It is up to each of his followers to realize for themselves that Rupanuga means relating with Radha, not Krsna. He (Krsna) brings us to Her (Radha), not the other way around. It is She alone, as the internal spritual potency, that puts the devotion in devotees and enables pure devotional service.

     

    valaya RR

     

     

     

     

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  15. From "The Nectar of Instruction" by Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (pp.36-37):

     

    "Devotional service is so pure and perfect that once having begun, one is forcibly dragged to ultimate success. Sometimes a person will give up his ordinary material engagements and out of sentiment take shelter of the lotus feet of the Supreme Lord and thus begin the preliminary execution of devotional service. Even if such an immature devotee falls down, there is no loss on his part. On the other hand, what is the gain of one who executes the prescribed duties according to his varna and asrama but does not take to devotional service? Although a fallen devotee may take his next birth in a low family, his devotional service will nonetheless resume from where it left off. Devotional service is ahaituky apratihata; it is not the effect of any mundane cause, nor can it be terminated by any mundane cause or permanently curtailed by any material interruption. Therefore a devotee should be confident about his engagement and should not be very interested in the activities of the karmis, jnanis and yogis."

     

    Often, being "forcibly dragged to ultimate success" can bring out negative reactions in those that cannot yet perceive Divine Love behind the `force` or understand just what `ultimate success` entails.

     

    Sometimes a child will sit down in the middle of a busy sidewalk and refuse to continue on with the parent, throw a temper-tantrum or even run away and attempt to hide...

     

    valaya RR

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 11-17-2001).]


  16. Originally posted by leyh:

    Mahak prabhu:

    How would you use Vaishnava philosophy to explain the apparently exclusionistic words in the Bible attributed to Jesus Christ like:"I am the way, the truth and the life,no man cometh to the Father except by Me."?

     

     

    Wasn't that explained already? The key to realization is submissive inquiry...Mahaksadas, suggest you save yourself the trouble of a detailed explanation without first checking my previous reply to this same question from Leyh. The thread is ` Topic: I'm the Way, Truth and Life.`

     

    http://www.indiadivine.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000823.html

     

     

     

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  17. Originally posted by Dharma:

    What about sentimentality? It is a "by-product" of Kali Yuga very much evidenced in the way man attempts to relate to God and others. Where there is no sacredness mere sentimentality remains.

    From "The Nectar of Instruction" by Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (pp.36-37):

     

    "Devotional service is so pure and perfect that once having begun, one is forcibly dragged to ultimate success. Sometimes a person will give up his ordinary material engagements and out of sentiment take shelter of the lotus feet of the Supreme Lord and thus begin the preliminary execution of devotional service. Even if such an immature devotee falls down, there is no loss on his part. On the other hand, what is the gain of one who executes the prescribed duties according to his varna and asrama but does not take to devotional service? Although a fallen devotee may take his next birth in a low family, his devotional service will nonetheless resume from where it left off. Devotional service is ahaituky apratihata; it is not the effect of any mundane cause, nor can it be terminated by any mundane cause or permanently curtailed by any material interruption. Therefore a devotee should be confident about his engagement and should not be very interested in the activities of the karmis, jnanis and yogis."

     

     

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