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Originally posted by jndas:
You are confused as to the purpose of Krishna's pastimes. He does not descend for any mundane reason such as stopping "cruel and unusual punishment". He Himself, as a king, ruled according to Manu's law and gave out direct punishment to many people.
What is the purpose of Lord Krishna's descent? The Bhagavatam states it is to reclaim the lost conditioned souls.
Any other mundane purpose which we attribute to His divine descent is just our own inability to differentiate between the divine and material natures.
Firstly, it was Krsna's pastimes that were mentioned which does not necessarily refer to his descent(s) as avatara.
Secondly, His descents are `to restablish religious principles` (whose meaning and purpose continue to become twisted by human-beings in spite of various sampradayas, scriptures, gurus and sadhus), but mainly to please His devotees.
Thirdly, by contemplating the Goloka pastimes of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna one can become freed from material consciousness, or at least begin the process.
Finally, Krsna as Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared in the mood of Srimati Radharani not to establish more principles of religion, but to transcend them, as does Radhika Herself by Her very nature.
This present Age of Kali is certainly rife with confusion. It is, after all the `age of quarrel and hypocrisy`...Still, great saintly personalities are most grateful that simply chanting the Lord's Holy Names can deliver each and every one of us in these the darkest of times.
All glories to that Krsna in the mood of Radha, who desires only to freely distribute Her ultimate form of purest Divine Love even to the least qualified.
JAYA NITAI-GAURA! JAI SRI RADHA!
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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I only have one small cat, but with maybe 20 more and perhaps a few dogs I wouldn't have to bathe at all! Can't say this isn't a clean joke, though probably not a very good one...valaya a la maya
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Originally posted by jndas:
The world review section deals more with mundane news and politics.
Understood! I was thinking it might be beneficial to discuss a widening of forum selections and also provide a less restrictive `Istaghosti` where participants could communicate on any topic or simply with each other. For instance, this thread is entitled `To Tarun` yet is posted here because there is no specific place to put it. I understand that such changes would probably tax your energies even further, jndas, when you already are so constructively engaged elsewhere, but maybe someone here could help out. Unfortunately not moi, as I'm just a fumbling fool stumbling through the confusion of computerdom. Nor am I ungrateful for these facilities you've already provided us.
valaya
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Don't know whether this is at all relevant to the thread or topics under discussion, but since it was brought up in the previous post I must say that the movement of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has little or nothing to do with religion as such. In fact, it distills the essence of all religions into their purest form as a loving interpersonal relationship with the Absolute Supreme Divinity. His teachings can only be truly realized from the perspective of Raganuga, sometimes called para-bhakti, while blindly following regulated vaidhi can often be a hindrance to progress, individual or institutional.
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Don't know whether this is at all relevant to the thread or topics under discussion, but since it was brought up in the previous post I must say that the movement of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has little or nothing to do with religion as such. In fact, it distills the essence of all religions into their purest form as a loving interpersonal relationship with the Absolute Supreme Divinity. His teachings can only be truly realized from the perspective of Raganuga, sometimes called para-bhakti, while blindly following regulated vaidhi can often be a hindrance to progress, individual or institutional.
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Originally posted by jndas:
I didn't see it, but perhaps it wasn't a "spiritual discussion" as the forum suggests.
May I suggest that all topic headings and descriptions of their content be reviewed, with regular posters offering ideas as to how we might communicate more effectively? I for one would like to see an `Istaghosi` section where polite exchanges amongst individuals might be permitted on any topic. Also, mundane `Politics` could be allotted it's own place so those of us without such a bent could remain at a safe distance...respectfully, valaya
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Dear Atma prabhu, what is meant by "Patronage against" and "Representation"?
We must not be wise according to the flesh. Rather we must be simple, humble and pure. We should never desire to be over others. Instead, we ought to be servants who are submissive to every human being for God's sake. The Spirit of the Lord will rest on all who live in this way and persevere in it to the end. He will permanently dwell in them. They will be the Father's children who do his work.
from a letter written to all the faithful by Saint Francis of Assisi
"Jesus is happy to come with us, as truth is happy to be spoken, as life to be lived, as light to be lit, as love is to be loved, as joy to be given, as peace to be spread."
Saint Francis of Assisi
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Originally posted by Gauracandra:
Guess what Jayaradhe? Yesterday someone bought me this book out of the blue. As a gift. It is very nice. I only wish the book had a few more pictures. But all the stories and remembrances are very uplifting. I too would highly recommend this book.
Gauracandra
If we are speaking here of Jayananda das, the disciple of Srila Prabhupada who started the Rathayatra festivals and built the first carts, you might want to contact Dasaratha-suta as I seem to remember he was putting on some kind of video/slide show associated with the book he'd worked on.
He also translates exceptionally sweet books from former acaryas and great devotees, distributing them as `Nectar Books`, P.O. Box 574, Union City, Georgia 30291. If you wish to Email him, write me and I'll forward it. For anyone interested, his books are available as a complete set and well worth the cost in sweetness.
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Originally posted by zeytindali:
Bhagavad Gita
Chapter 18.65
man-mana bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yaji mam namaskuru
mam evaishyasi satyam te
pratijane priyo 'si me
Always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.
hare krishna
Easy for Him to say, eh? Our good ship floats, but not on quotes...
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Originally posted by zeytindali:
Bhagavad Gita
Chapter 18.65
man-mana bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yaji mam namaskuru
mam evaishyasi satyam te
pratijane priyo 'si me
Always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.
hare krishna
Easy for Him to say, eh? Our good ship floats, but not on quotes...
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada:
VAsudeva Datta, the nineteenth branch of the SrI Caitanya tree, was a great personality and a most confidential devotee of the Lord. One could not describe his qualities even with thousands of mouths.
PURPORT
VAsudeva Datta, the brother of Mukunda Datta, was also a resident of CaTTagrAma. In the Caitanya-bhAgavata it is said, yAGra sthAne kRSNa haya Apane vikraya: VAsudeva Datta was such a powerful devotee that KRSNa was purchased by him. VAsudeva Datta stayed at SrIvAsa PaNDita's house, and in the Caitanya- bhAgavata it is described that Lord Caitanya MahAprabhu was so pleased with VAsudeva Datta and so affectionate toward him that He used to say, "I am only VAsudeva Datta's man. My body is only meant to please VAsudeva Datta, and he can sell Me anywhere." Thrice He vowed that this was a fact and that no one should disbelieve these statements. "All My dear devotees," He said, "I tell you the truth. My body is especially meant for VAsudeva Datta." VAsudeva Datta initiated SrI Yadunandana AcArya, the spiritual master of RaghunAtha dAsa, who later became RaghunAtha dAsa GosvAmI. This will be found in the Caitanya-caritAmRta, Antya- lIlA, Sixth Chapter, verse 161. VAsudeva Datta spent money very liberally; therefore Lord Caitanya MahAprabhu asked SivAnanda Sena to become his sarakhela, or secretary, in order to control his extravagant expenses. VAsudeva Datta was so kind to the living entities that he wanted to take all their sinful reactions so that they might be delivered by SrI Caitanya MahAprabhu. This is described in the Fifteenth Chapter of the Caitanya-caritAmRta's Madhya-lIlA, verses 159 through 180.
Mahaprabhu, the Golden Avatar,
Embraces hearts of gold;
Radha-dasi manjaris
Deepen Her mood in Him,
Divine Love unconditional
Unlimited endless Grace.
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Transferred from `The Gospel of Jesus Christ` thread, with thanks to Gauracandra:
Siddhaswarupananda then quotes the Bible:
quote:
Matthew 22:36-38
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
The first and foremost commandment is to love God, not to seek salvation. Jesus is teaching unconditional love for God. But do not confuse love of God with serving one’s own desires.
The problem with Salvationism is your continual concern with your own future. But this is not love. If you want to know love then look at the life of Jesus Christ. He wasn’t concerned with his salvation. He wasn’t afraid of going to hell. His mind was on someone else. The central focus was not on himself but on God. When it was time for him to be crucified, because it was God’s will he let himself suffer.
Haridas Thakur was a disciple of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He too has confirmed that love of God is higher than salvation. The chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord is like the rising sun. When this sun rises in the heart of the devotee it automatically cleanses away all sinful reactions. But this cleansing is a natural by-product but not the goal. The chanting of the Holy Name will give one the positive taste for love of God. And there is no way to describe it, you have to taste it to know it.
And it is love of God that Christ is teaching. It is love for God that all saints have talked about. The characteristic of love is that the interest is on the one you love. Your interests, pleasure, your very life is on God.
And the second commandment of Jesus was:
quote:
Matthew 22:39:40
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
If we truly love God we will love everyone else. This is the true message of Jesus Christ. Become a lover of God.
True salvation lies in recognizing Our Eternal Beloved in each other, and acting accordingly, through His Divine Grace. Devotional service is the Supreme gift which can neither be earned nor repayed, only accepted with grateful humility. In material conciousness others are merely accessories, but in God conciousness the roles are reversed... valaya
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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The Kingdom of God is not so much a place as it is purified conciousness. Goloka Vrndavan and all of it's residents (including those forms of Sri Krsna we find most adorable) is pure hladini potency, Divine Love personified as Srimati Radharani Herself. She is the end and the means for all Gaudiya Vaisnava devotees. Devotional service is Her gift awarded through Lord Caitanya, Jesus Christ, Srila Prabhupada and so many others--past, present, and future. There may be `different strokes for different folks` but the ocean remains One. For the personalist, realization means relationship.
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Before becoming vegetarian, learn to appreciate and enjoy fasting. Before becoming an aspiring devotee, learn to appreciate and enjoy Harinam. In Kaliyuga, nothing is perfectly pure and confusion reigns in this Age of Quarrel and Hypocrisy. There is no other way than to take complete shelter in the Holy Names! HARIBOL!
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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...and a hearty Hare Krsna to you, too! Welcome aboard, but be careful--the decks can get slippery and we're a long way from shore...
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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...and a hearty Hare Krsna to you, too! Welcome aboard, but be careful--the decks can get slippery and we're a long way from shore...
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Chanting and dancing like madmen!
Fused together in sreet HARINAM!
Spontaneous rushing rapids
Drown us in that River of Love,
Where giving and receiving are one.
Who will not be swept away
By Mahaprabhu's Supreme Mercy?
Chanting, dancing, distributing prasadam
That's what we all want to see and do!
When did we allow collecting
and manipulative preaching
To tear us apart
and alienate us
from those we
must become
one with...?
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All glories to Sri Krsna Harinam SANKIRTAN!
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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All are devotees!
All are vaisnavas!
As the least of all
We are servant to all!
One who cannot
See God and guru
In all
Does not see
God and guru
At all...
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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There is a similar Buddhist boddhisatva (spelling?) vow that asks for all others to be saved first, or something to that effect. Goes to show we can never really tell who is praying what, let alone their motivation...
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Originally posted by InvidShockTrooper:
The muslim god is named "Allah". Allah was the name of the moon god, in the old Arab Pagan religion. Look closely at the flag of Islam. It is green background, with a star and moon.
Guess that makes the star Radha--hey, I knew it all along!
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Originally posted by InvidShockTrooper:
The muslim god is named "Allah". Allah was the name of the moon god, in the old Arab Pagan religion. Look closely at the flag of Islam. It is green background, with a star and moon.
Guess that makes the star Radha--hey, I knew it all along!
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Best to alternate between hot and cold to stimulate the circulation! Loofah sponge is also highly recommended. Finishing with the water as cold as possible helps clear phlegm (spelling?), too. BTW I prefer lukewarm from start to finish--keeps my chanting more steady! valaya
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"The svarupa-sakti, or internal potency of Krsna, which is spiritual, functioning as His own personal power, has manifested His pastimes of Goloka. By Her grace individual souls who are constituents of the marginal potency can have admission into even those pastimes." (Sri Brahma-Samhita, purport to text 6)
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Seems the U.S. military is hard at work developing a massive stinkbomb for crowd control. KAPUEE! No word yet on whether BB is involved...
Is the Koran derived from Manu Samhita?
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Firstly, it was Krsna's pastimes that were mentioned which does not necessarily refer to his descent(s) as avatara.
Secondly, His descents are `to restablish religious principles` (whose meaning and purpose continue to become twisted by human-beings in spite of various sampradayas, scriptures, gurus and sadhus), but mainly to please His devotees.
Thirdly, by contemplating the Goloka pastimes of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna one can become freed from material consciousness, or at least begin the process.
Finally, Krsna as Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared in the mood of Srimati Radharani not to establish more principles of religion, but to transcend them, as does Radhika Herself by Her very nature.
This present Age of Kali is certainly rife with confusion. It is, after all the `age of quarrel and hypocrisy`...Still, great saintly personalities are most grateful that simply chanting the Lord's Holy Names can deliver each and every one of us in these the darkest of times.
All glories to that Krsna in the mood of Radha, who desires only to freely distribute Her ultimate form of purest Divine Love even to the least qualified.
JAYA NITAI-GAURA! JAI SRI RADHA!
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
amanpeter@hotmail.com
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