valaya
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Ah yes, America defends the free world but who defends America? From the tone of some previous posts on this forum, apparently not even some `Americans`...
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Would that be Sriman Boy George?
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Looks like they may have to moooove...sorry, couldn't resist!
valaya a la maya
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So what's this all about, or do I not want to know? valaya
January 18, 2002 VNN7102 Comment on this story
Prabhupada Plaque
BY NIMAI DASA
NEW YORK, Jan 18 (VNN) — Recently i was kicked out of the Brooklyn temple because I was passing out invitations to the inauguration ceremony for Srila Prabhupada's plaque being placed at the infamous NYC Prabhupada tree (see VNN Story 6981).
I was really shocked that devotees from ISKCON Brooklyn were not supportive of this monumental event because of the IRM temple's involvement in organizing it. It also seemed as if their rebuttal of the plaque was really a distaste towards the IRM movement; rejecting mother Vani's tireless years spent pursuing this land mark for Srila Prabhupada and all of his devotees.
This event was about Prabhupada, and all devotees should have attended no matter what camp they were from. The event was spiritual nectar and it is unfortunate that all devotees could not share in it's sentiment.
Hare Krsna
Nimai dasa
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--all karmis are not demons--
...and all so-called devotees are not devotees, though we are taught to accept them as such under threat of committing offenses. Might I humbly suggest that so-called karmis may become the best of devotees through the sincere association of even one true devotee, and that our fear of offensiveness should be extended equally to our association with `them`? Let us all try to become that one devotee in all our dealings!
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Originally posted by Tarun:
No. Not until the 1990s Alachua Phenomena at which point...
the matzoh balls & kafta balls starting flying...
Passive resistance was called for. But who could resist?
Any photos available?
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Originally posted by Gauracandra:
I just read this one. Must have missed it along the way. That was bad...
Bad you say? It stinks! (pun intended).
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I think that the proper policy toward Iskcon management would be similar to the US policy toward Iraq; sanctions, inspections and constant pressure. But also with dialog, constructive engagement and rewards for good behavior and reforms.
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Rewards for good behavior?! How about little maha treats for sanyassis? Maybe call them `Yassis` and they could be tossed towards the speaker during lectures, when someone in the congregation approved of what was being said..." Good boy, Yassi, good boy!"
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Originally posted by darkangel:
And as for why America is hated? Why is anyone, anything, or anywhere hated? It is hated simply because it is powerful and basks in that power. And we as human beings with egos, different religions, ideals and patriotism can't stand that.
Those dependent on others generally resent it in some way, especially if it's constantly waved in their face. Forced co-operation by a greater power breeds frustration and therefore repressed anger, as well. All this becomes evident in our own relationship not only with each other, but with the Supreme Power that we identify as God.
Variety may be the spice of life, however you might say that co-operation is the splice of life! Unfortunately, for many of us it remains elusive and often must be forced...
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
[This message has been edited by valaya (edited 01-20-2002).]
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Originally posted by Nithya:
Dear people,
I have this question for a very long time in my mind and I am still waiting to get an answer for it.
The question is:
Like Christians have Bible and Muslims have Quaran what do we Hindus have.
I want a clear-cut answer. I hope I will get an answer for my question.
Thanking you all in advance.
Luv
Nithya
The answer is: That and so much more. Reading is one thing, realizing quite another. The goal remains self-realization, not book-realization!
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Originally posted by valaya:
Would that I could earn an honest day's wages at some menial unpleasant task, then be embarrassed when someone attempted to personally pay me! No wonder Gandhi called the `untouchables` "Children of God"...thank you for sharing this experience.
Lest this post be misunderstood, it is simply a spontaneous offering of my humble and respectful obeisances to one possessing that which I regrettably lack...
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First realize complete helplessness
Then accept absolute dependence
On His Divine Grace alone.
Clinging only to Her
As a humble servant
Always unworthy
Less than all.
We see Guru
As that One
In everyone.
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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All alone am I
Ever since your good-bye,
All alone
With just the beat of my heart.
People all around,
But I don't hear a sound,
Just the lonely beating of my heart.
No use in holding other hands,
For I'd be only holding emptiness;
No use in kissing other lips,
For I'd be thinking just of your caress.
All alone am I
Ever since your good-bye,
All alone
With just the beat of my heart.
People all around,
But I don't hear a sound,
Just the lonely beating of my heart.
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Originally posted by Gauracandra:
Sorry I might just be slow on the uptake. But it just isn't clicking with me.
It may have been aimed at our resident conspiracy theorists...would mention their names, but I'm reluctant to do anything that might increase the present level of paranoia on this forum!
valaya a la maya
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Hey, I too get stuck sometimes! Crawling on my belly while whining piteously seems the only way out...
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Originally posted by Citta Hari:
" It's the old Diksa vs Siksa guru argument that never seems to die."
Mark, the argument does not die because there are those whose understanding of the siddhanta is rather limited but haven't figured that out yet. That in itself is not a problem, but too often such devotees of tender faith and little realization are the champions of their limited conceptions of the truth, which can (and obviously does) unfortunately take the form of opposing those who actually do understand and accurately represent the teachings. We are cultivating the ability to see Sri Guru everywhere, and until we can we are in a somewhat dangerous position. If we can't see our Guru in everyone and everything then we must seek out competent guidance. It's reasonable, is it not? Yet there are those who, in the name of being 'chaste' and so forth vehemently oppose such an idea. Their lack of understanding of guru-tattva is made obvious by their dealings with other Vaisnavas. Usually the best we can do is respect them from a great distance.
-Citta Hari dasa
Right on fer sure!!!
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Originally posted by gHari:
Darwin,
It is good to avoid drugs, especially those offered by dentists, like novocain and laughing gas. For remember, our goal: transcend dental medication.
Dr. gHari<font color="#dedfdf">
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Look's like gHari's on a roll--now where's that rock? nyuck nyuck
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Would that I could earn an honest day's wages at some menial unpleasant task, then be embarrassed when someone attempted to personally pay me! No wonder Gandhi called the `untouchables` "Children of God"...thank you for sharing this experience.
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Originally posted by shvu:
Forgive them Bhakta Shab, for they know not what they are doing. Remember Krishna pardoned Shishupala a hundred times and draw inspiration from that example. Always pardon people of their offenses as much as you can, including the Mayavadins. Pray to Krishna that he may have mercy on them and may redeem their souls by removing their ignorance.
Hare Krishna
Aha! Just as I suspected--shvu's a vaisnava in disguise! So, will the real vaisnava please stand up...
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But what if there was a serious Mayavadi polluting the forum with subtle, clean but offensive remarks in reference to the Supreme Lord's names, forms, qualities and pastimes all being of the nature of illusion?
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shab.
Why bhaktashab, you'd just have to lash 'em, smash 'em, bash 'em, slash 'em, and mash 'em, of course! Then pass them onto me so I could flash 'em, which would surely send anyone running off, screaming and crying out for God's mercy...
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The essence of Bhakti is a submissive spirit, expressed through tolerance and humility. Lord Jesus Christ submitted to crucifixion although He remains guiltless. This post from Audarya Lila dasa is a perfect example of submission, on behalf of another no less.
Dear Jahnava Nitai,
I know that it is certainly your perogative to block any of us you wish to block and that your history has shown you to be very accomodating and tolerant with regard to offensive posts or breach of etiquette. Given your gentle nature and your true forgiving vaishnava character, I am asking you to forgive Talasiga for whatever his breach of conduct was and give him facility to post on this forum if that is what he wishes to do.
Sincerely,
Audarya lila dasa
The Old Testament provides many examples of `eye-for-an-eye` justice as do Vedic scriptures prior to Lord Caitanya whose humility, tolerance and submissiveness are exemplified in Nityananda Prabhu. Material strength entails one's becoming bigger, while seeking spiritual shelter demands quite the opposite. Is this forum intended solely as an arena for `discussion` where Gaudiya Vaisnavism reigns supreme by `victory through quotes`? Is it not meant also as a place for devotee association? Some call what separates us from complete immersion in Divine Grace offenses, yet their overemphasis on the offensiveness in others prevents their own salvation. I call separation from Divine Grace apaRADHA, for She remains the personified source of His Divine Grace.
Of course, those who identify only their own guru as His Divine Grace may believe they are somehow free to act offensively, or even obliged to, as part of their so-called devotional service. Perhaps they don't realize they are actually crucifying their guru, or do they consider that Sri Gurudev's role is to die for their sins? Since Srimati Radharani is also the personified source and supreme controller of devotional service, that too is major apaRADHA.
Worse still, I believe, are those who gleefully gloat over others' defeats, misfortune, or vanquishment. Don't they realize that `there but for the Grace of God` go they and they're setting themselves up for a similar fate somewhere down the line? Most likely all of us here on this forum have many more lives to go, when our roles might very well be reversed...
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Now now, jijaji prabhu...Darwin, before stumbling any further into the lair of the beast, I humbly request you place yourself in the capable compassionate hands of a genuine `mental health professional` who is so much more as well. For you personally I would advise contacting, and visting if at all possible, HH Tripurari Swami. You can Email me if you'd like to discuss this, or anything else. valaya a la maya
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Radhe Radhe always Radhe!
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Haribol mawab! Seems our politics might agree somewhat, though I much prefer to avoid the subject altogether. Think you got the name of our resident demonut wrong though--the correct spelling is Ms Takun...just punnin' TK, I know how you luv it!
valaya a la maya