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  1. Originally posted by clare:

    PAMHO

    Do you know what happens if a person eats food that has been accepted by a bhuta?

     

    Does chanting the Maha Mantra counteract these effects?

     

    Chanting the mahamantra does not merely counteract all negative effects, it also provides all positive effects. Unimpedable, the purification affects not only the one chanting, but everyone and everything else as well. Still, the effects are more quickly realized if the Holy names are approached in a deeply personal way without regard for technical considerations.

     

    Srila Prabhupada encouraged us to chant like a drowning person, or as if we were calling out for our mothers. Easy to see which of these is more personal, but both include a certain desperation and helplessness.

     

    As our conciousness becomes increasingly purified, our inner realizations will guide us to better connect emotionally and thus our attachment deepens. Then too, our motivations change so that offenses simply evaporate.

     

    There are certainly `no hard and fast rules` that can restrict chanting, although it is highly recommended to associate with the Holy Names constantly, somehow or other. Initially the mind tries to trick us into stopping, but this will surely pass if we just keep starting again! Soon we won't be capable of stopping for very long and the mind will have become our friend.

     

    Prabhupada tells us that we can expect the dust to fly while cleaning our house. Just keep on keeping on, with faith in God's Loving Grace rather than yourself, and rapid results are absolutely guaranteed!

     

    valaya

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com

     

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  2. Originally posted by leyh:

    Taking the part of Radharani, Caitanya tries to love Krsna as Radharani loved Him. Krsna was always amazed by Radharani's love. "How does Radharani give Me such pleasure?" He would ask. In order to study Radharani, Krsna lived in Her role and tried to understand Himself. This is the secret of Lord Caitanya's incarnation. Caitanya is Krsna, but He has taken the mode or role of Radharani to show us how to love Krsna. Thus He is addressed: "I offer my respectful obeisances unto the Supreme Lord who is absorbed in Radharani's thoughts." (From Introduction to Teachings of Lord Caitanya By His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

    Also from `Teachings of Lord Caitanya` (p.278):

     

    "As no one can understand the expansion of spiritual energy of the Supreme Lord without the causeless mercy of the Supreme Lord, similarly, no one can understand the transcendental sex life between Radha and Krsna without following in the footsteps of the damsels of Vraja. There are different names for the associates of Radharani: they are called Sakhis, or personal associates, and also the Manjaris, the near assistants.

     

    It is very difficult to express their dealings with Krsna, as they have no desire to mix with or enjoy Krsna personally. But they are always ready to help Radharani be with Krsna. Their affection for Krsna is so pure that they are simply satisfied when Radha and Krsna are together, and they simply enjoy the transcendental pleasure of seeing Radha and Krsna combined, united."

     

     

    valaya: Srila Prabhupada reminds us in his first sentence of our need for Krsna's causeless mercy before we can understand the spiritual energy (or internal potency: Sri Radha) and His Divine Grace (Srimati Radharani as Her girlfriends) can then unveil a more intimate understanding of the transcendental sex life between Radha and Krsna. This will automatically free us from attachment to our own mundane sex lives, both gross and subtle. Another way to put it is "From God we get guru, then guru gives us God." From God to a more personal intimate relationship with God through Sri Guru.

     

    Since Lord Caitanya appears in the mood of Sri Radha, His closest associates are responsible for deepening that mood. The sakhis (girlfriends) and manjaris (youngest girlfriend maidservants) therefore appear with Him.

     

    Radha-dasi manjaris are highly unique and access to this most intimate of relationships is very rare indeed. First Mahaprabhu Himself must appear, for no other avatar will do, and also the parampara must be manjaris themselves, at least for the most part, siksha and/or diksha.

     

    Although Prabhupada has said here that it is `very difficult to express their dealings with Krsna`, some has been previously written and much has been revealed since, for those with the necessary raganuga `greed` who are driven to enter into these amazingly intimate personal relationships with the Supreme Absolute.

     

    In fact, the purity of the manjari is respected by Krsna as the highest possible attainment. Their desire to see only Radhika Herself enjoying with Him transcends all the usual relationships with Krsna, and though they are maidservants of Radharani, they're situated in the highest madhurya lila.

     

    Manjaris as many may know are the small flower buds, while Radha is the creeper embracing Krsna and Her sakhis the leaves of that creeper. Those tiny budding flowers are the most precious and exquisitely beautiful. Their focus is solely on `love for the sake of love`, accepting nothing (including Krsna!) in return. Indeed, their service within Sri Krsna-Caitanya's sankirtan movement is to fulfill Her mood of unconditional unlimited love by delivering Him to everyone, without consideration of qualification or disqualification, while considering themselves the most fallen and least worthy of all.

     

    This, of course, is what Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami did and wishes to continue to do through all of us. Realizing the teachings he gave in a deeper more meaningful way will help us to further realize our own uniquely wonderful position and thus inspire us to fulfill our personal part in His most magnanimous mission to drown this entire planet in pure love of God.

     

    valaya

     

     

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com

     

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  3. The most beautiful thing I ever saw in this particular life?

    On a Bombay sidewalk about 3 blocks from Munshi Marg near Chowpatty I saw a husband & wife marry, cook, rest & raise a family.

    No complaints.

    I have a similar vivid memory of a family living in a small railway station. When our train stopped, I beckoned the husband/father over and tried to hand him money. He just looked at me closely, with an amazing prideful dignity and intense eyes, before he turned and walked back to his little family. I learned something that night I have yet to fully appreciate...

     

    valaya

     

     


  4. Originally posted by Gauracandra:

    Leyh,

     

    This is partly the line of thinking I was considering. I had heard the idea of process theology before, and there are some parts I would likely disagree with. Still, part of me found it an interesting idea within Gaudiya Vaisnava theology.

     

    For instance, you can talk of Radha and Krsna's love as being supremely complete. But their love is ever increasing. So in one sense God is in a process of continually experiencing higher and higher levels of love with His devotees.

     

    Gauracandra

     

     

     

    Although we know Krsna as the Supreme Enjoyer, how many can appreciate that His greatest enjoyment lies in serving His devotees. The highest form of service being pure love, His personal relationships in Goloka Vrndavana with family and friends is where this mutual reciprocation reaches the pinnacle of intimacy.

     

    Our God is totally unique in that He longs not to be treated as God, but to see His pure devotees glorified, even at His own expense! How wonderful is that Krsna?

     

    He comes as Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu in the mahabhava mood of Sri Radha, longing to experience Himself through Her and better understand how She enjoys. Is this merely greed for some selfish pleasure? Of course not, selfishness is our consciousness in the material world, not His in the spiritual world.

     

    Krsna wants only to deepen His loving exchange with His most beloved Radhika, and thus all of Her parts-and-parcels...including us, pure or not.

     

    All glories to Gauranga! All glories to Gaurangi! HARIBOL!

     

    valaya

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com

     

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  5. Originally posted by leyh:

    I'm not sure whether I remember correctly,butdidn't Srila Prabhupada write somewhere that even Krsna cannot understand Radha and that He has to descend as Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu to understand Radha's devotion?

     

     

    Krsna responds to Radha's everfresh, always increasing, spontaneous devotion. She is like a bonfire that He cannot contain! Though His desire is to fully reciprocate with all of His devotees, in Her case He simply cannot and is continually forced to admit defeat.

     

    This is especially pleasing to Sri Radha's girlfriends, the Radha-dasi manjaris in particular. They shout, "Jai Radhe! Jai Radhe!" in great exuberation. Actually, it is these same girlfriends that control Radhika by their own single-pointed devotion and the pastimes between Radha and Krsna are in fact constantly evolving according to their desires, Her most intimate parts-and-parcels.

     

    While we are well aware of our constitutional postion to serve the whole as Sri Krsna, we tend to neglect the fact that He Himself is the servant of all. The `interface` for both is in Srimati Radharani. She provides our connection to him, somewhat impersonally as devotional sevice and most personally as Herself in Goloka Vrndavan.

     

    The key to understanding everything is to realize Her, which is possible only by His Divine Grace personified as Sri Guru. Through Her our relationship with Krsna, as well as Her own and ours with Her, are wondrously revealed somehow or other.[/]

     

    Thank you so much for raising this amazing topic, Leyh prabhu. It made me feel shivers!

     

    valaya

     

     

     

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com


  6. Originally posted by jndas:

    Many demons such as Kamsa, Hiranyakashipu, etc., thought about the Lord constantly, but they thought of Him as an enemy. Despite their hatred for the Lord, their full absorption on Him brought them ultimate good fortune.

    Say, I can personally attest to that!

    valaya

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 02-02-2002).]


  7. I don't think this has been posted here already, although I quickly checked all five pages my eyes and memory aren't what they were...valaya

     

     

    From :

     

    "Syamarani Dasi" <syamarani@hotmail.com>

     

     

    To :

     

    bvnmbillboard@, harikatha@

     

     

    Subject :

     

    [bvnmbillboard] Prabhupada, George Harrison, and Bold Preaching:

     

     

    Date :

     

    Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:26:16 -0800

     

     

    Respected Maharajas, Prabhus and Didis,

    Dandavat pranama. Jaya Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga.

    Usually you receive, from this address, the recent darsanas and

    lectures of

    Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja, and on the odd

    occasion you

    receive one of his older darsanas or lectures. Today you are

    receiving an

    old darsana of Srila Prabhupada Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaja,

    which took

    place in July of 1974, and which came from one of the few

    cassettes that had

    never been typed for folio.

    George Harrison was sincerely trying to be one of Prabhupada's

    'new

    bhaktas', and he posed the same types of questions and doubts

    that many of

    us have, even at present, regarding enthusiastic and bold

    preaching of Krsna

    consciousness and proper siddhanta in the face of obstacles and

    potential

    enmity. My revered Gurudeva, Srila Narayana Maharaja, is always

    encouraging

    his disciples, followers, and friends to boldly preach the

    mission of Sri

    Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the mission of our Srila Prabhupada, and

    Srila

    Prabhupada is doing the same in this darsana.

    My god-brother, Sripad Sarvabhauma dasa Adhikari of Maui,

    Hawaii, was kind

    enough to lend me his cassette recording for the following

    transcription,

    which I pray will be pleasing to the devotees.

    Aspiring for the service of the Vaisnavas, Sevanandi dasi]

     

     

    Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

     

    A UNIQUE ROOM CONVERSATION

    July, 1974

     

    [George Harrison:] Syamasundara and I were talking just on the

    way here, and

    it's like when you commit yourself to something, in a way it's

    like putting

    your head on the chopping block.

     

    [Prabhupada:] Not chopping block.

     

    [George Harrison:] Because somebody can turn around and chop it

    off, or it

    may be you're lucky and it doesn't get chopped off. I find that

    the more

    commitment I've made, though it's such a little commitment

    relatively

    speaking, it's such a little one, now I'm getting in the area

    where I find

    that people are...it provokes…

     

    [srila Prabhupada:] Thoughts.

     

    [George Harrison:] Sometimes it provokes bad reactions.

     

    [syamasundara dasa:] Sometimes people become agitated by his

    words.

     

    [srila Prabhupada:] Murkhayo 'padeso hi prakopaya na santaye.

    There is a

    verse, which states that if one is foolish and if you give him

    good

    instruction, he becomes angry. Payam panam bhujanganam kevalam

    visa-vardhanam. The example is given that if you keep a snake

    and give him

    milk, the result will be that his poison will be increased.

    Sometimes it

    happens that if one is foolish and you give him good advice, he

    becomes

    angry. But has it happened like that? No, I don't think so.

     

    [George Harrison:] I can feel that a little animosity comes from

    people who,

    and I don't know for what reason, but people...

     

    [srila Prabhupada:] Enviousness.

     

    [George Harrison:] And in some ways the more committed you are

    to the thing,

    and the stronger you are in what you do, then the stronger the

    animosity.

     

    [srila Prabhupada:] The other side

     

    [George Harrison:] Sometimes I get the feeling that maybe

    there's one person

    who it means something real to and ten people who it doesn't

    mean anything

    to; and I'm not sure how or if it all balances out in the end.

     

    [syamasundara dasa:] But if you reach one person...

     

    [George Harrison:] But say you don't reach any people, and then

    you have a

    choice of reaching people, and you only reach one, and by

    reaching that one

    you have twenty people who are annoyed.

     

    [srila Prabhupada:] Yes, sometimes it happens.

     

    [syamasundara dasa:] His question is that if you preach and you

    meet many

    men, ten men, you may make nine of them enemies but one will

    become helped

    by your preaching. So how is that...

     

    [George Harrison:] But if you don't say anything, then maybe all

    ten of them

    are quite friendly.

     

    [syamasundara dasa:] So how is that beneficial?

     

    [srila Prabhupada:] Yes, the preaching is different. You see,

    when one

    preaches he must tell the truth - just like Lord Jesus Christ.

    People did

    not like his preaching, but he did not stop his preaching. That

    is another

    point. In the preaching propaganda there is possibility of

    creating

    animosity. Yes, there is possibility.  Unnecessarily, some of my

    god-brothers [unclear - in a certain temple], although we are

    innocent, we

    are simply worshipping, we have given them money, and everything

    is all

    right, but they are creating some animosity.

     

    Especially in God consciousness such things are possible, you

    see? We have

    to pay sometimes. Even Prahlada Maharaja. He was a five-year old

    boy, and

    his only fault was his Krsna consciousness. His father became

    his enemy,

    what to speak of others. Because his father did not like God

    consciousness,

    he became the enemy of his child, even though the child was only

    five years

    old. So there is possibility of such things.

     

    [syamasundara dasa:] Those who take the biggest risk for Krsna,

    even though

    they stand the risk of losing everything, Krsna always comes to

    help and

    protect them.

     

    [srila Prabhupada:] That is the history of everyone. Just like

    the Pandavas.

    They were bereft of their kingdom, bereft of their wife, they

    were insulted,

    so many things. Still, at last they came out victorious. Arjuna

    and

    Yudhisthira. And the other party was defeated the Kuruksetra

    war. That is

    fact; Krsna protects His devotee. That mercy is there. Kaunteya

    pratijanahi

    na me bhaktah pranasyati .

     

    So you have this record album, Living in the Material World, and

    I heard

    that it was appreciated by so many people. Even one teacher was

    telling

    me...

     

    [syamasundara dasa:] Our teacher came to visit Prabhupada. He

    said he played

    your record in his classroom, he teaches religious education,

    and they were

    standing, the children, and one of them began to pray. It had a

    great

    effect.

     

    [George Harrison:] There is one song in particular, which is

    directly the

    result of the conversation we had when you came...

     

    [srila Prabhupada:] Yes, in your house.

     

    [George Harrison:] About fame and fortune and...

     

    [srila Prabhupada:] So the record is now received well there...

    the people

    are seeking after something, about spiritual enlightenment.

    That's a fact.

    Especially in the Western world. That is a fact. We have to

    administer very

    cautiously and carefully, and then it will be taken. One thing

    is when you

    speak of restrictions, the four principles, that is when they

    become angry.

    Because everyone is addicted to these things.

     

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 02-02-2002).]


  8.  

     

    Ritviks also do not understand that bhakti is only transmitted to anyone's heart by the grace and krpa (mercy) of Sri Guru. You cannot get bhakti from only books and tapes. Srila Prabhupada states very clearly on this point in many of his lectures when he says that reading the medical library is insufficient for becoming trained as a medical doctor. One MUST have the association and first hand training and hear from other bona fide physicians.

    I remember when devotees in the temples started wearing walkmans and retreating into their own little rooms/spaces, instead of chanting aloud together while happily engaged in service and confiding in each other just before falling asleep side by side as a group, like we all used to do so long ago. How inspiring it was to hear each other's personal realizations and so very intimate to comfort and reassure another's doubts.

     

    Not long after tapes replaced personal living interaction, it seems, a certain fearful alienation arose and devotees began using scriptural quotes along with `Prabhupada says` in more negative than positive ways, to discourage rather than encourage individual self-expression. The right way became the only accepted way, although what was `politically acceptable` kept changing month by month. Personal emotions were no longer shared so openly, if at all.

     

    Those who were unable or unwilling to play the game and appear to go along with the group-think were shunned, isolated, and ultimately rejected without the slightest gratitude for all the service they had performed. Former friends turned away from them when they tried to continue associating by visiting the temple, while living on the `outside`. What were once shoulders to cry on became cold almost overnight. Of course most `fell down`, so that simply living apart from the temple became synonymous with blooping. This was then used as further confirmation by those remaining inside of the need to huddle even closer together, increasingly fearful of `demonic influences`. The GBC was guardedly spoken of more like the KGB! Group association had transformed from helpful and enlivening to fearful and cultlike.

     

    So it went, prabhus, from being each other's sikshas and godbrothers/sisters to mistrusting and alienation. At least, that's how I saw it and still do, unfortunately. Would this not perhaps be a good place to let the healing begin through mutual understanding and at least a little sympathy?

     

    valaya

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 02-02-2002).]


  9. "Society Without Envy"

     

    This is the society for Krsna consciousness formed by Srila Prabhupada. One who becomes a member of this society gets the opportunity to develop complete Krsna consciousness, to see Krsna everywhere.

     

    Yo mam pasyati sarvatra

    Sarvam ca mayi pasyati

    Tasyaham na panansyami

    Sa ca me na panasyati

    (Bg. 6.30)

     

    This is the goal. Prabhupada has written in his books, "The Krsna consciousness movement aims at creating an atmosphere of non-envy. Of course, it is not possible for everyone to become Krsna conscious, but the Krsna consciousness movement can create an exemplary society wherein there is no envy." Where is the question of enviousness? One who is envious is not a Krsna conscious person. In other words, he is not a Vaisnava. A real Vaisnava sadhu is not at all envious. He sees every jiva as Krsna's jiva. Krsna is the object of his love, so how will he be envious?

     

    Enviousness means lust. What does that mean? Pride is your enemy, crookedness‹kapata. If someone is making advancement on the spiritual path, others become envious of him. They cannot tolerate it. "Oh, he is making such advancement." They start to speak all nasty things about him. Combining together, they start pulling down on him and attacking him. This is enviousness. In a society of Vaisnavas that should not be done. A Vaisnava is not envious at all, atra paramo nirmatsaranam satam vedyam. Who understands bhagavata-dharma- tattva? Only a Vaisnava, who is non-envious can understand. Others will speculate, "Oh, this is that, this is that." Only speculation will go on because they cannot understand. They are not Vaisnavas, they are all envious persons. Prabhupada says, "One who is envious of the success of a Vaisnava is certainly not a Vaisnava himself but an ordinary mundane man." He may be pretending to be a Vaisnava, but actually he is only an ordinary mundane man.

     

    If the purpose of forming his society fails, how will Srila Prabhupada be happy ? This is a most important factor. So here it is said, "Generally when we find someone more qualified than ourselves, we become envious of him." This is the general nature of people who are avaisnavas‹who are not Vaisnavas, they become envious when they see a person more qualified than themselves. But a Vaisnava, who is completely Krsna conscious, he'll never become envious. "Instead of being envious of a more qualified man one should be jolly to receive him." Krsne prema krsna-bhakte maitri acarana-he who develops krsna-prema, he develops friendship with Vaisnavas, krsna-bhaktas. And when he sees a more qualified Vaisnava than himself he becomes jolly. That is a real Vaisnava, a pure Vaisnava. This is the purpose for which Srila Prabhupada formed this society for Krsna consciousness."

     

    Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj

    "A Society Free from Envy"

     

    http://www.vnn.org/world/WD9902/WD20-3111.html

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com


  10. Originally posted by Tarun:

    Definitely. That why we do HarinAm at Timessquare!

    SankIrtan cannot become truly ecstatic until we become possessed.

    Read "Kabe gaura vane" translation for details.

    Without madness, chanting has no meaning. Only vain repetition.

    Consult RAmAnanda-samvAd for fathomless, boundless, careless joy.

    Demons also participate by breakdancing & chanting along.

    If you're asurik, wear clothes you won't mind getting ripped a bit.

    Yep, that's how I remember it! Unfortunately, Bhakti Marg Swami is strictly into choreography on chanting parties these days. His real joy lies in producing, directing and acting in plays for the pleasure of the ISKCON Toronto congregation. Must admit, they are good, though. Would be great if the shows could travel more.

     

    I'm not criticizing him in any way. His main concern is simply with the `congregation`. At least they, almost all Indians, seem happy at festivals and Sunday feasts. Otherwise, few actually live in the temple and public sankirtan is mostly a memory. There is one brahmacari however who is into book distribution I think.

     

    Hope you can visit soon. Winter just started here with our first snow. Usually there's a warm spell sometime in February. If we get along well with each other, perhaps I could drive you back to NYC (via New Vrindavan?)...

     

    valaya

     

     

    http://www.iskcon.net/toronto/index.html

     

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 02-01-2002).]


  11. Originally posted by Tarun:

     

    If one wants to advance in bhakti, he should try to understand these topics.

    Simply thinking, "Not this, not this, not this, will not suffice." If

    positive understanding and moods are there, then you will be successful.

    Along with absorption in the positive there must also be negation of the

    negative, otherwise, you cannot advance. At the same time, absorption in

    negation will not help you very much.

     

    The gopis told Krsna, "We cannot live without You. We cannot maintain our

    lives without You. It will be better if You to come to Vrndavana, and that

    Vrndavana is not different from our hearts. If You do not come, You will see

    that Vrndavana will be completely lifeless. Everyone and everything there

    will die."

     

    suniya radhika-vani, vraja-prema mane ani,

    bhave vyakulita deha-mana

    vraja-lokera prema suni', apanake 'rni' mani,'

    kare krsna tanre asvasana

    (CC Mad 13.148)

     

    "After hearing Srimati Radharani's statements, Lord Krsna's love for the

    inhabitants of Vrndavana was evoked, and His body and mind became very much

    perturbed. After hearing of their love for Him, He immediately considered

    Himself to be always indebted to them. He began to pacify Srimati Radharani

    as follows:

     

    prana-priye, suna, mora e-satya-vacana

    toma-sabara smarane, jhuron muni ratri-dine,

    mora duhkha na jane kona jana

    (CC Mad 13. 149)

     

    "My dearest Srimati Radharani, please hear Me. I am speaking the truth. I

    cry day and night simply upon remembering all you inhabitants of Vrndavana.

    No one knows how unhappy this makes Me."

     

    Hearing the pathetic words of the gopis, and especially of Radhika, Krsna

    became restless and could not control Himself. He thought, "I cannot repay

    the Vrajavasis." He began to pacify all the gopis, and especially Radhika.

    He began to weep as He replied, "Prana-priye, suna, mora e satya vacana. My

    most beloved, I am telling you the truth with My pure heart. Toma-sabara

    smarane, jhuron muni ratri-dine, mora duhkha na jane kona jana. My body is

    there in Dvaraka, but My heart is with You in Vrndavana. I am always

    restless, day and night, and I am feeling so much separation. There are none

    in Mathura to whom I can reveal My heart. I sent Uddhava to Vraja to be

    admitted in the school of gopis so he could learn something about the

    meaning of prema. I thought that if he would become expert, upon his return

    I could describe to him the extent of My separation, and he will realize My

    heart. But I see that I cannot even share My heart with Uddhava, nor with

    Rukmini or Satyabhama. I continually lament."

     

    vraja-vasi yata jana, mata, pita, sakha-gana,

    sabe haya mora prana-sama

    tanra madhye gopi-gana, saksat mora jivana,

    tumi mora jivanera jivana

    (CC Mad 13.150)

     

    Krsna continued, "All the Vrajavasis, including My father and mother and all

    My cowherd-boy friends, are all equal to My life. Mora jivanera jivana tanra

    madhye gopi-gana. Among them, all the gopis are like My saksad jivana,

    direct life air. And You, Srimati Radharani, are THE LIFE OF MY LIFE".

     

    toma-sabara prema-rase, amake karila vase,

    ami tomara adhina kevala

    toma-saba chadana, ama dura-dese lana,

    rakhiyache durdaiva prabala

    (CC Mad 13.151)

     

    "I am controlled by Your love and affection. NOW I AM ONLY YOURS. I AM YOUR ETERNAL SERVANT. The creator of this world is very cruel-hearted. He has

    taken Me very far from You and I am helpless." We are all helpless in the

    matter of stopping our death. We are helpless in every way. Similarly,

    Krsna is saying, "Now I am helpless, and You are also helpless. That creator

    has forcibly taken Me very far away from You, and from My birth place in

    Gokula, Vrndavana. This is My misfortune."

     

    Tarun, thanks for posting this. valaya

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com

     

     

     

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  12. Originally posted by Avinash:

    Some words related to marriage:

    monogamy, monogyny, monandry, polygamy, polygyny, polyandry, bigamy, digamy, deuterogamy, trigamy, exogamy, endogamy.

     

    Which of these do you like most? Posted Image

     

    Actually my personal favourite is missing: adultery!

     

    valaya a la maya

     

     

     

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  13. Originally posted by Tarun:

    It's always a question of personal individual inspiration.

    These not (yet) inspired must avoid verbal offense.

    Those already inspired must avoid overzealousness.

    Inspiration and realization may be individual, but they are coming from the same place. Like spokes on a wheel, the nearer they get to the centre, the closer they are to one another. Is it really that difficult to see ourselves in each other, or is that the last thing we want to admit seeing? Come to think of it, how can we expect to see anything else? Self-realization and God realization are simultaneous, are they not? Looking for the best in others might just help us to recognize the best in ourselves. Raganuga requires zeal, only it must be directed within...

     

    valaya

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com

     

     

     

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  14. Originally posted by Gauracandra:

    From my current favorite book "The Imitation of Christ", I thought this quote applied:

     

    Beautiful! Whatever we do, depends on Divine Grace. Whatever we long to do, depends on Divine Grace. Wherever, whenever we always depend on Divine Grace regardless. Ultimately we are not the doers, yet all things are possible through Divine Grace. Not knowing Divine Grace personally, my life is bereft. Not seeing Divine Grace everywhere, my whole world is empty. My only prayer is for complete oneness in Divine Grace, that I may see and be nothing but...

     

    valaya

     

     

     

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    Radhe Radhe always Radhe!

    amanpeter@hotmail.com


  15. Originally posted by Citta Hari:

    JN dasa wrote:

     

    "His disciples couldn't understand the language, but he still refused to write his own purports to Brahma Samhita because Bhaktisiddhanta had already done it personally in the English language.

     

    He reasoned that it was spiritual sound, and simply by hearing the transcendental sound of Bhaktisiddhanta's purports, one would be purified and brought to the position of understanding the spiritual subject matter therein.

     

    "Why should we change it? Let it be presented as Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati has given..." "

     

     

    This is a single case and Prabhupada's actions in others does not follow suit, as has been pointed out already. Swami Tripurari addressed this point in his commentary on Bg 4.2 thus: "When one representative passes the torch to another, this is the formal institution of guru-parampara ("from one to another"). However, its essence is that in bearing the torch the current link sheds new light."

     

    We should carefully consider that "by faithfully repeating what we have heard from our gurus we should in time be able to draw down something ourselves." (Swami Tripurari).

     

    Let those who have not yet gotten insight simply repeat; there is certainly dignity in that. But the problem comes when those who, due to attachment to a kanistha adhikara conception of guru-parampara, oppose those who have genuine insight by the grace of their gurus and thus the ability to shed new light on the words of the purva acaryas. This opposition of those who represent the spirit of the teachings is undignfied to the extreme and represents the very mentality that Swami Tripurari's commentary seeks to educate.

     

    -Citta Hari dasa

    Right on! "One way or another, gonna getcha getcha getcha, One way or another..."(from a song by `Blondie`)

     

     


  16. Originally posted by gHari:

    Darwin,

     

    It is good to avoid drugs, especially those offered by dentists, like novocain and laughing gas. For remember, our goal: transcend dental medication.

     

    Dr. gHari<font color="#dedfdf">

     

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    Don't fret, Doc., I got it...guess ya gotta be transcendental, eh? Now c'mon, we got work to do! nyuck nyuck

     

     


  17. Much to the obvious consternation of many, the Absolute Truth will continue to be revealed through Divine Grace in ever increasing depth. Those who seek contentment and satisfaction in certitude that they posess all the answers and are themselves firmly situated on the one correct path for all time, can be expected to encounter far more personal challenges.

     

    The best is surely yet to come as anyone and everyone is touched by Love of God in some way, shape or form. Or did y'all think you had the only mould and had cornered the market, so that all `others` would be forced to play by your rules? The Supreme Authority is way beyond any limitation, including sampradayas and their supposedly authorized scriptures, what to speak of petty authoritarians.

     

    HH Tripurari Maharaj is to be congragulated on the successful launch of his new translation and commentary on Srimad Bhagavad-Gita. I can only imagine the extensive work and deep devotion that went into it.

     

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  18. After Prabhupada encouraged all of us to write and distribute books about Krsna, one of my godbrothers commented, "We are simply your puppets, Srila Prabhupada. You're giving us the books."

     

    This did not seem to satisfy Srila Prabhupada, as he made the following reference to the guru-parampara. "No. We are all puppets of Krsna. I am also a puppet. This is disciplic succession." While he humbly gave all credit to his own guru and Krsna for anything he had accomplished, he implied that becoming the puppet of Guru and Krsna in a dynamic sense as he had done involved not merely circulating one's guru's writings, but writing books oneself. This was the example he set. While writing his own books, he considered that he was merely acting as a puppet of Guru and Krsna. Becoming the puppet of one's guru is about getting a spiritual life, and thinking for oneself within the parameters of that which is actually spiritual.

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