valaya

All this talk of hygiene, eating habits, and so on appears to confirm an obsessive-compulsive behavioural personality disorder. That, along with a completely irrational pride that cannot allow even the possibility of anyone else on these forums having realizations that he so obviously cannot, might explain his adamantly offensive nature as desperate defensive posturing in an increasingly futile attempt to avoid facing the inevitable truth, which he unwittingly reveals to everyone but himself. In other words, the poor man has driven himself nuts, batty, round the bend, loony-tunes, and irretrievably whacko! Perhaps gentle sympathy is warranted more than confrontation since that only enables him in feeding this pernicious mental disorder which lies at the root of his confused behavior. Comments, prabhus? valaya RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-28-2001).]

29, eh? Well that explains it all! You're just a young WHIPPERSNAPPER! Now don't make me come out there and give you what for with my cane...! RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-28-2001).]

Dear Talasiga, Please forgive any wrong assumptions or misperceptions on my part. I do like what you write, though often I'm not at all sure of my ability to grasp much of your meaning. You are obviously a deep, sensitive devotee and that's why I originally reached out for a closer personal connection by phone. I sense that you may appreciate the value of painful separation in love which enables each one of us to individually relate emotionally with Srimati Radharani. That, as you and everyone else here must know by now, is my sole area of interest which I see as the key to everything else. What does bother me is that sometimes a poetic response may not be appropriate and can even seem trite. Certainly, too much of even a good thing can provoke a negative reaction. Do you really want to communicate or just be cute? Others here use flowery glorification of gurus, or vast scriptural quotations, to avoid truly personal sharing. After awhile those that appear to be refusing/unable to go deeper on a more intimate level start appearing to me as more like Krsna than Radhika, and my concern is only with Her. Since I believe we are all part and parcel of the internal potency personified as Sri Radha, those who hold onto Krsna exclusively and actually begin to emulate Him, even at His most charming, quickly become distasteful to me. This includes provocative teasing beyond a certain point... My position is absolutely clear: when Krsna's `playfulness` brings pain and tears to Radharani and Her girlfriends, including His abandoning them to leave Vrndavana, my sympathies lie ONLY with them; while my anger, resentment, bitterness, etc. focus ENTIRELY on HIM. I am not at all interested in hearing any philosophical or shastric explanation that these are just `playful pastimes`. For those that are involved, they are very serious indeed. At least that's my reality. Maybe when I become more purified, I will see things in a wholly different perspective. For now, I take this as deadly serious and my entire emotional self is firmly committed at the expense of everything else, including close relationships with other human beings (family, friends, romance, etc.). I had thought you might be desirous of reciprocating such subject matter heart-to-heart, but you are not so alone as I since you do have a wife, at least. I'm also doubtful that your living situation is at all similar to the wretched sordid poverty of my own. That is not to say you, or anyone else, is not capable of experiencing what I'm describing, just that the cutting edge of desperation may not be quite so sharp... valaya RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-28-2001).]

Probably the pudding, prabhu...

You do the cooking And I'll start to bail!

IP: Logged ___________ So when is a post not a post? When it takes up an entire PAGE! One big difference between men and women is that men prefer solving problems to talking about them! I know, it makes you feel better, but it drives us NUTS! Alright already! I never abused women, in fact they abused me! O.K.? As for these so-called `men` you speak of, I certainly would like to speak with them and even meet them. Not so much to discuss though, but so we could SOLVE the problem! I say we because I know other men here would feel the same way and want to act, not talk, talk, talk ad nauseum. This thread, which appears to have killed the `relationships` thread it split off from, is entitled `sexism`, not `MALE sexism`. The topic of abuse by ISKCON husbands is another separate thing altogether. Yes, I realize everything is related, but we mere men can't deal with it coming at us all mixed up like this. Our minds and emotions don't function like yours! Somehow you manage to lump everything into one big indigestible chunk, as evidenced by such enormously long posts, confusing the hell out of us; then we get beaten about the head with that same heavy chunk for not listening enough to understand correctly or, God help us, trying to offer some explanation of our own personal problems with women. Maybe we understand more than you think, after all we're here, are we not? Try to appreciate that one point at least, otherwise you'll end up `discussing` with each other with no one to help sort out the muddled mess. Yes, we approach things differently, which enables the sexes to compliment one another. Hear that, prabhus? COMPLIMENT one another! Please consider what I've said here deeply. Thank you. valaya RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-28-2001).]

Tarun, you're really too clever for your own good...

All prescribed practices are valid, but some have increased potency due to being more personal. Absolute Truth is a person possessing all power and the more intimate our relationship, the more powerful the connection. Personal relationship always transcends impersonal religion, by it's very nature. External packaging can be confusing, but `it's what's inside that counts...` JAI RADHE!

Thank you, Bhaktavasya prabhu. RR

Guess I should have said, enter slowly with full awareness, but dive deep once you're fully immersed. Then, for a few moments at least, you're all alone and fully surrounded by Her. Wish I'd never come back up! RR

Valaya is certainly a `muckta`, though hardly a hypocrite. Valaya has obtained the `special causeless mercy` of Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada personally. Krsna (Hari) has taken everything away from Valaya and left him wretched, forlorn and alone in this world. However, Valaya has been blessed by Srimati Radharani Herself for which he can only be humbly grateful. Again Satyaraja, I'm sorry to find myself unable to share all of the above with you. Maybe next lifetime, eh prabhu? valaya RR

You are right about the turtles, of course. From `discussed` to `disgust` and guess whose to blame, as usual?!! RR

I hear you! BTW don't let anyone stop you from diving right into Radha-kund. This may be your one and only opportunity. Look on it as full-immersion baptism! Contrary to popular opinion, the turtles don't actually bite, though they may nibble a little...RR

That's what got me into trouble in the first place!

Too bad formerly married couples aren't both posting here at the same time! Next best thing might be happily married couples. At least they could shine a more positive light on male-female (oh, alright! Female-male...) relationships. I hope...RR

Who knows? Who cares? Why bother?

Ask Radhika, but you'll have to make friends and that means sharing your secrets with Her first...RR

Are you inferring that your co-worker calls you `Supercow`...? moooo!

When it comes to manic-depressives, I much prefer the depressives...more real, in my humble opinion, not to mention stable. Maybe it's my increasingly old age. Just too tired of the roller-coaster! Besides, it upsets my stomach. RR

I prefer to try and look for the essence and thereby bring out the best in others, whenever possible, rather than using them to justify my own position as superior in any way. Sometimes that entails voluntarily assuming the position of inferior myself. You may feel obliged to be more aware of "inaccuracies as they occur", but I am not similarly inclined, so please refrain from use of the word "we" in this regard. My role is neither defined nor controlled by anyone other than myself and God. Thank you. valaya RR

When it takes most of one's energies to avoid getting caught up oneself in this nonsense, there is little left to use in mediation attempts, let alone trying to encourage or inspire. Like I've said before more than once, if I had any other life...this is my `devotee` association and service, probably better than I deserve. As far as I'm concerned, my next body can't come soon enough! RR

You were offered the same opportunity for more personal interaction, but preferred to remain hidden while sniping at us with `poetry`. Sad...

Suryaz: My post was in reply to the one made by Maitreya and addressed to him personally. It was done by clicking on the `Reply with Quote` icon which autmatically quotes the post being replied to. I don't alter posts, except to edit my own. When the boys refuse to play, they can't be forced to. We're not married to you, after all, and can share ourselves or not, as we please. Of course you can try to `seduce` us, but I doubt you'll have much luck now that we've seen the only game going on here is `Pin the Tail on the Donkey.` Besides, what have you got left to `seduce` us with? RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

Dear leyh prabhu, you really need to know the history on these forums, personal and philosophical, even to begin to understand what's happening, let alone why. Also, many of us have another history with ISKCON and it's environs, going back 20-30 years. My advice is to not get into it too deeply with those who seem to be making a career, or at least a hobby, out of dissention. Why shvu would want to waste his time with fools such as we is quite beyond me. Still, he is obviously highly intelligent and has many other qualities that help keep things interesting. His unique sense of humor is one trait I personally appreciate. BTW how's your spoken English? Maybe we could speak by phone sometime! valaya RR

Time for valaya to vamoosa! You started two good threads, JRdd. Both owe much, if not most of their vitality to male input. Again a word of caution: emasculation will destroy everything you're trying to achieve here and elsewhere. When the women start revealing themselves personally and admitting certain negative gender characteristics, perhaps I will be inspired to participate further. Real communication and confidential confession is a two-way street. Little girls never seem to understand why little boys are so uncomfortable playing house or why they don't want to sit through their carefully orchestrated tea parties. valaya RR