valaya

At least it doesn't have any advertising and seems pretty comprehensive. Unfortunately, the page is offside to the right of my screen. Wish I knew how to correct as this also happens with some forum threads.

That's a just a bunch of superbull, supercow!!!

You, or anyone else for that matter, is welcome to visit and see for yourself who I am and what my so-called `life` is about. There's an older brazilian devotee here that I've known for a few years, Kuladeva das. Perhaps you would like to speak with him or both of us by phone. Maybe I could just send pictures, doctors' reports, family letters, etc. You could also call Bhaktimarga Swami at ISKCON Toronto, as he has known me since 1971 when we lived together in the temple as brahmacaris. That's the best I can offer for now, prabhu. Sorry again...RR

Priceless, prabhu!!! RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

Thanks for the gentle reminder, prabhu. Nice to hear from you personally! `From dust to dust...`

Perhaps if you'd listened to Srila Narayan Maharaja when he suggested you curtail your reading, Satyaraja dasa...now it appears to be a case of, "Physician heal thyself!" Acceptance of Sri Guru means much more than initiation, at least in the narrow sense that you seem to understand it. Don't blame others for your inability to take the medicine as prescribed. Many here are more than willing to help in any way they can, but without the proper attitude on your part, they ultimately become frustrated and alienated. I'm truly sorry, prabhu, that I can't do more personally. valaya RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

Maitreya prabhu, I'm sorry that your post appeared just prior to the big departure. This is not the time to disturb your mind by entering into such a `discussion` here. Of course, women often seem to sense when a man might be a little more vulnerable or off-balance and time their attacks accordingly, conciously or unconciously. Certainly they never forget perceived wrongs and indeed seem to store them, festering away somewhere deep in their psyches, as ammunition for some future surprise attack. Never mind, brother, they'll still be here when you return, just itching to get their little claws into you! Maybe you'll have some extra ammo of your own by then... please remember what I said about Radhika. She really does hold the key to all of this and, in fact, everything else. What more can I say? Give your `manhood` to Her only, along with your heart and soul. You and I are not family people and there's a big difference between them and us...wish I could share more, but I'm sure you understand why it would prove impossible on these forums, at least right now. Insist on belonging only to Her, not Krsna or anyone else, and She will care for you in the most personal, intimate ways UNCONDITIONALLY. valaya RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

Perhaps this could start a separate thread, if only I could figure out what `non-compusmentus` means...Suryaz prabhu, Maitreya seldom reveals himself as Alfred, so please don't make him retreat simply because you aren't satisfied with the way he's expressing himself. It ain't easy, sister! RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

New highly infectious dis-ease rapidly spreading within various groups worldwide, but mainly involving Arab and Muslim males. Spread by word of mouth and now approaching epidemic status, it's known as `BUSH FEVER`!!! [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

Now if only `supercow` could be fixed...chop!

JAI GAURANGA!!! JAI GAURANGI!!!

Am I wrong in thinking that, although this is only virtual reality, we are becoming increasingly real to each other, or at least trying our best to? If so, I am most grateful, prabhus. Of course there are limits to what can be accomplished here, but miracles are possible, are they not? If only we can keep faith in our real selves and the eternal relationship between us, birth after birth. There is so much to digest, I must chant and pray for awhile until hopefully the right words appear and I can reply in kind. Then again, maybe if I just sleep on it... ALL GLORIES TO THE ASSEMBLED DEVOTEES!!! RR

OHOH Gottago!

Hey JRdd, I didn't know you were a bank robber, too! How's about a heist sometime? RR

Gotta stop reading these jokes while I'm eating!!! This one really makes me wish I had a printer, prabhu...a classic for sure. I'd like to see it as a play with the same girl fending off all the different guys, one after another. Kinda' like batting practice! RR

Suryaz: Prabhu, with all due respect, any realization is enabled through His Divine Grace acting as the via medium, due to perfect purity achieved by complete surrender unto their lordships Sri Sri Radha-Krsna. It is not our position to read into each other's words lack of realization on their part, nor should we believe that we may somehow be capable to help them in that regard. Although we ourselves may have some realization, and surely we all have a glimmer at least, we are not necessarily empowered to share it with anyone else. Inevitably we end up just attempting to beat it into each others' `thick skulls`, usually to the detriment of whatever it was we were trying to accomplish in the first place. Often we men come to the conclusion that women will never be satisfied with our `performance` and since you mean SO much to us, more than we are ever likely to be capable of expressing, it can be completely dispiriting. In other words, you can end up destroying whatever it is you're attempting to perfect in us. In some ways, we never really `grow-up`, only older and more set in our ways. Men are seldom comfortable communicating intimate emotions, although they may need to desperately. Madhurya-lila includes all the others. The mother-child relationship must also be there sometimes. No offence intended, Suryaz, but for Rishidas to question your gender speaks volumes... It would be a real shame if this thread went the way of the one on VNN, which might actually have cost us the entire forum there. Thank you for your consideration of these points, prabhus. valaya RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-26-2001).]

meme teeheehee! [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-26-2001).]

All conditioned souls are continually exploiting the material energy in their attempts to achieve pleasure and avoid pain. Body after body, pain inflicted becomes pain received and vice versa until finally, by causeless divine mercy, the association of a pure devotee is granted. Then the identification with the body as enjoyer begins to fade and understanding of true identity and purpose is naturally aquired. Seldom does this process happen overnight, therefore a certain amount of patience, tolerance and forebearance is generally required. The choice is always there whether to drag our heels or embrace Divine Grace wholeheartedly. Blaming others will not help us. Humbly accepting the lowest position as servant of all will. Ultimately, there is no escape from the pain, in fact we're told that eventually it's transformed into bliss, as devotional conciousness matures. It seems the question is whether we're in this for the long run, eternity, or merely looking for some temporary improvement in our material position. From bhakti comes more bhakti. Anything else is simply not bhakti and only bhakti will end this cycle once and for all. The responsibility to commit to pure devotion resides with us alone. It is a personal decision of the heart for each individual. Having taken that step, however, there is no turning back... The husband belongs to the wife and the wife belongs to the husband, but both belong to God. So what then is the real obligation of each towards the other? Those who seek others to assist them in fulfilling their personal obligations themselves become debtors. Surrender must be done all by oneself, whether one is alone or within a family. I would like nothing better than to discuss such topics as pure devotion, surrender and Srimati Radharani. Unfortunately, most appear to have other priorities and those that don't are too busy performing their own sadhana and service to allow themselves to become entangled in these endless me-vs.-you and us-vs.-them what-is-truth and who-is-responsible squabbles. Actually, they tend to avoid these forums like poison, as I myself have been advised to by everyone I've approached for help in these matters, so-called karmis and devotees both. They can see how the conflicts distress me. Only a complete fool whose miserable empty life consists only of pain would continue rehashing all this over and over again, without any evident benefit to anyone. Talk after all is only talk, isn't it? For now I see you all as my family and thus a personal responsibility I've taken on, but should I be presented a way to extricate myself from all this, I surely will. That, along with every other aspect of my fallen existence in this wretched body, depends on the One to whom I belong. Guess that's my way of evading personal responsibility, eh prabhus? At least it's not getting dumped on any other embodied soul. The muck stops here! valaya RR [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-26-2001).]

O.K. little brother, you're on your own. Haribol! RR

Smothered with scripture and drowned in dispute...so what else is new, eh? RR

Moi, prabhu, moi...

No rest for the wicked, prabhu, but thanks for kind thoughts. RR

Apparently 70 was not sufficient motivation. As I understand it from good authority, the correct number is 72, and those last 2 are real beauties!

rishidas: Dear prabhu, Thank you for your honest personal contributions to this thread. Also thanks to Audarya lila dasa. I do hope that we can transcend blaming the male gender or particular individuals here and encourage the intimate emotional sharing that many of us find so difficult. RR

In wartime, perceived threat is identical to threat and treated accordingly. So far as Krsna, Srila Prabhupada, devotional service and devotees are concerned, you continue to prove that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Once again, telling some one they're acting like an idiot is not identical with calling them an idiot, although they may in fact actually be an idiot. Wishing another dead and wanting to kill them are two different things, but if I were you I wouldn't push it...as pointed out previously, I am not the one you should worry about.