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But the western devotees with ten years in the movement were liberated siddhas and so they can be regular gurus.?

BB Vishnu Maharaja: quote:

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Then that would be a defect. The ability to choose the wrong thing would be a defective feature of the liberated souls. As long as a soul has the potential to fall down then he is defective. Perfection is when the possibility of falling down is overcome. Krishna says his pure devotees are infallible. If they had the possibility of falling down then they would be fallible. Krishna removes that fallibility from his pure devotees and the possibility of making the wrong decision does not exist in the heart of the nitya-siddhas. When the material coverings are removed and the soul is established in the internal svarupa-shakti there is NO chance that they could do something that stupid and choose to leave Krishna to become a worm in stool in the material world. Hence.......... infallible.

Good question. But, the orders of the spiritual master cannot be neglected no matter how advanced one becomes. It is not a matter of not being qualified to be "regular guru". I am not saying Govinda Maharaja is not qualified. I think that he is and was. Still, the orders of the founder-acharya of SCSMath have to be maintained as it was his will and his orders. Qualification is not the issue. The orders are there. They must be followed at all times and forever by the ritvik successor who was appointed as such by the determination of the acharya. One never becomes TOO QUALIFIED to execute the orders of his spiritual master. No matter the qualification, the orders of Srila Sridhar Maharaja must be followed as that was his best judgement for how the Math should continue after him. There are so many ifs, ands or buts that we can use for an excuse. But, the order of the acharya should not be questioned. It should just be followed.

The pure devotees of Goloka do not consider that being refused the option to become a worm in stool in the material world to be a bad thing. They are not thinking "Krishna will not allow me to become a worm in stool, this is such a terrible thing". They are grateful that Krishna protects them from that eternal hell. They don't have a problem with that.

It probably wasn't so much as a rejection by Govinda Maharaja but a rejection by all the little cronies hanging out at the Matha. Still, I think Govinda Maharaja should have not been coerced by the small-timers into reliquishing his ritvik status. All the little cronies said "no, Maharaja you are not ritvik, you are acharya". So, in this way Govinda Maharaja was robbed of his ritvik appointment by the little position seekers. Several of the top men responsible for the fiasco fell down.

Free will in Goloka is the freedom to decide which kind of flower to pick for Krishna, which kind of fruit to pick for Krishna, which kind of sweetmeat to prepare for Krishna etc. etc. The freedom to choose maya is NOT an option from Goloka. So, when I say there is no free will in Goloka I mean there is no option to choose maya. When I say there is free will in Goloka it means that there is some choices to make in which way to please Krishna. The freedom to choose maya is just not one of the freedoms available from Goloka. It is not a freedom that anyone wants in Goloka. Nitya-siddhas would not consider that as freedom. They are free to travel all over the spiritual world. They have that freedom. The freedom to take up the service of maya is not a freedom that is included in the Goloka menu. Krishna does not allow his devotees there to be tempted. He protects his devotees perfectly and absolutely.

Sridhar Maharaja: So, from this we can see that Srila Sridhar Maharaja actually initiated Govinda Maharaja as his ritvik representative and gave him japa-mala as to signify his initiating Govinda Maharaja to be his official ritvik representative.

The jiva still has free will in Goloka, but the option to choose maya is not available. Maya is not accessible from Goloka as maya is not allowed to enter there. The option to leave Krishna and go to maya is just not available in Goloka. So, as Srila Prabhupada advises: So, obviously we must give up the maya option to enter Goloka and lose that option for eternity in divine slavery of Krishna. Krishna advises "stop your so-called free will and surrender to me". So, Krishna makes it clear that we must give up that so-called free will if we want eternal life in Goloka as his servant/slave. Divine slavery ki-jaya!!

When he arrives can you ask him to comment on these orders of Srila Sridhar Maharaja in his official declaration of spiritual succession that he delivered on Gaura Purnima, 26th March, 1986 at SCSMath? These were the final words of Srila Sridhar Maharaja on the matter of disciplic succession. We would like to know how and why this ritvik appointment got rejected by Govinda Maharaja.

BB Vishnu Maharaja:

Srila Prabhupada: so, to get Krishna we must give up this false idea of free will and become the slaves of Krishna. When you enter into that divine slavery there is no getting out of Krishna's slavery. It is fixed for eternity.

Srila Sridhar Maharaja says: If that person is a bygone acharya or devotee then who is to say that one cannot accept that person as guru? The idea that we can only accept a living person as guru completely nullifies the value of the bygone acharyas and the instructions they left behind for all time to come. The guru is not limited by time and space. The guru is beyond such relative limitations. There is no such concept in shastra as "living guru". If there is, then I would like to see it. Bhaktivinode says that the Vaishnava dies to live and living spreads the Holy Name around. So, I guess Bhaktivinoda advocated that dead Vaishnavas can still spread the Holy Name around. There is no such thing as a "dead guru". The real guru is "sat guru" or eternal guru. Guru is not some fleeting phantom that appears for a little while and fades away like a shooting star.

Sridhar Maharaja: Our free will is such a bad choice. We need to give up this false idea of free will and accept that we are the slaves of Krishna eternally. We can either be slaves of his maya or slaves of his love. Free will? Our only option is to choose rotting in hell or eternal freshness as a slave of Krishna. Use your free will and make your choice.

I was just in town and I found a cell-phone on the street. I called a number on the phone and found the owner. Well, it wasn't a million dollars. I probably would have kept the million dollars and retired.

Srila Sridhar Maharaja: thus, I contend that in Goloka free will of the jiva is a myth. There, it is about eternal slavery to Krishna. There ain't no coming back once you get to Goloka. The maya option is not offered there. Eternal slavery is the situation.

Jaiva Dharma ch. 15.

That's an interesting point.Where did you find that story and what is the reference? I don't remember reading that in the books of Srila Prabhupada. I must have missed that part. anyway, you won't find it in Gaudiya books that I know of. That tale is told by Shaivas who claim the story comes from the Siva Purana. When we start using Shaiva texts translated by bogus Shaivas to debate Gaudiya siddhanta we have strayed way off track. Personally, I think such accusations against a parshada of Krishna is outragious. The Siva Purana was compiled by Romaharshana - the guy that Lord Balarama killed with a straw of grass for being a puffed-up fool.

Well, there is plenty of picking and choosing going on in the lives of devotees with "living gurus" so that argument is bogus and proves nothing.

Not a single soul has fallen from Vaikuntha since time eternal. Jaya and Vijaya did not fall down or reject the Lord. They didn't want to leave the Lord's service. So, I don't call that a falldown. They caught some jnanis trying to enter Vaikuntha and they did their job and stopped them. They committed no offense. But, Lord Narayana wanted the incident to occur for his own pleasure and pastimes. Jaya and Vijaya did not falldown. They came to the material world to serve the Lord according to his pleasure and his mission.