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LOL, you're only saying that b/c you have no shastric evidence for your bigoted opinions. If you did, you'd give us quotes from the Puranas, the Gita, the Vedas, and the Upanishads to support your opinion. However, none of them support it, so you can't prove it.

Where in the Gita does Sri Krishna say, "If you worship Shiva, you don't get Moksha." ???

Is that because there's no proof for either one being supreme over the other?

You said that Bhaktajan was right in his opinions and ramblings. Bhaktajan thinks it's wrong to worship Shiva and that you can't express bhakti to Shiva. Don't say you agree with someone if you don't know what they're actually saying.

Why, if it is wrong to worship Lord Shiva, did Lord Rama set the example by doing so? He is the embodiment of Dharma. Why would He do something so "adharmic"?

What truth has he spoken? And, what is your proof that it is truth? He says that Shaivas and Shaktas are not bhaktas and equates their devotion to Shiva with that of a whore's devotion to sex and drugs. He says that any god other than Krishna is a demigod and the only reason why people worship them is because they are selfish. Surely you don't believe such dribble?

How does this negate the idea that one can reach eternal bliss from bhakti to Lord Shiva and attaining Him? And Lord Sri Rama worshipped Lord Shiva. He is immersed in Shiva Bhakti. I'm not seeing how this proves anything. Vishnu worships Shiva, Shiva worships Vishnu. That doesn't make either one of them a demigod.

This is silly. When Krishna says He is seated in everyone's heart, He means that He is seated in everyone's soul. In the place where love and compassion come from. He doesn't mean, "There's a little incarnation of me with a little condo living inside of your heart which is located toward the left-side of your chest." Please

Bhaktajan, can you even make a real argument? Or, is endless rambling your specialty?

Try: a frustrated little boy who has a superiority complex and communicative disorder.

Did you ever think that it's because they've had to act that way in order to survive? Maybe you could try to be empathetic to her situation, and, if she is drug-addicted, do an intervention and get her in rehab and counseling?

How so? Can you explain, or are you just making a baseless accusation because you don't know how to rebut the evidence I've provided for you from your own religious tradition? How is it not obvious? Her names are those of Saraswati and Parvati. Do you have a different interpretation of names like Brahma-Patni, Kailasha Vaisini, Shiva Bhakta, Shiva Bhakti Daa, Shiva Shakti Swarupa, Nava Durgika, Shambu Kanta, and the many other names that identify Her with Saraswati and Parvati? It appears as if you have no other interpretation for the names of your own goddess, so why not accept the obvious one (that She incarnates as Saraswati and Parvati)? Aww, poor baby Bhaktajan doesn't know what to do! He can't even offer a decent rebuttal! Well, then I guess Radhika (who is both Shiva Bhakta and Shiva Bhakti Daa) isn't a Bhakta. LOL! I love it that you can't offer a real rubuttal. All you can do is ask me to surrender to you [not Krishna] with no given reason (other than that you can't admit defeat). You are SO humble, Oh great saint Bhaktajan!

Very beautiful, Baobabtree Thx for posting it for us!

And Radharani (Shiva Bhakta, Shiva Bhakti Daa) and Rama are Shaivas. Get over yourself.

Indulekha Ji, I think you understand a lot more than you think. Bhaktajan just doesn't make much sense.

Bhaktajan, why haven't you responded to the point I made through Radha Sahasranam? Isn't it obvious that Parvati and Saraswati are none other than Radha Herself? And, if Radha is Parvati and Saraswati (as is evidenced in Her sahasranam), then Krishna is none other than Shiva and Brahma. Oh, and, do you still refuse to acknowledge Shaivas as Bhaktas? Well, then I guess you don't consider the very embodiment of Bhakti Herself, Radharani, a Bhakta, since She is both Shiva Bhakta (a devotee of Lord Shiva) and Shiva Bhakti Daa (the giver of devotion to Lord Shiva).

In Radha Sahasranama, one of Her names is 'Sri Hara'. Therefore, 'Hare' can either be the invocative of 'Hari' [Krishna] or 'Hara' [Radha], depending on who you wish to call on. I often chant this mantra Thx for putting it out there!

It just never ends, does it? You people are actually arguing over whether a stone in an Islamic building is a Vishnu Padam or a Shiva Linga... neither of which are the interpretations accepted by Muslims. This is so foolish.

^ Umiya Ma ^ Does anyone know anything about Her (lila, mantra, etc...)? Thx in advance! Om Sri Jagadambeyei Namaha!

Yea, it is from the Narada Pancharatna Yes, this is very true. All the Devis are but forms of Jagadambe (or, such is my understanding). Yes, this is true I'm glad you brought it up. In the Devi Mahatmyam, it also devotes a capter to the birth of Durga Devi from the bodies of the Devas and Devis.

I'm sorry if I'm going off into other scriptures here, dearest Radha Mukunda, but I would like to point out ot Bhaktajan that, in the Radha Sahasranama (which is held to be especially sacred to Gaudiya Vaishnavas), Radhika is revealed to be the same Goddess as Parvati and Saraswati. Saraswati is just as divine as Radhika, and so is Parvati. Bhaktajan, I beg you to please actually take the time to realize the truth that Radhika reveals to you through Her holy names. Here are a few of them from Her Sahasranam: Brahmä's wife (brahma-patné), Goddess Sarasvaté (sarasvaté), the beautiful wife of Lord Çiva (çambhu-käntä and sadäçiva-manoharä), the wife of Lord Çiva (çivä and durgä), and the wife of Lord Çiva who destroyed Kämadeva's body (kämäìga-häriëé), Goddess Pärvaté (himälaya-sutä, sarvä, pärvaté, girijä, and saté), She is Dakña's daughter (dakña-kanyä), Goddess Pärvaté (haimavaté), she who is dear to Çiva, Brahmä, and Viñëu (çiva-brahma-hari-priyä), Lord Çiva's wife (çaçi-çekharä), She is Goddess Durgä (anna-pürëä), mother of the universe (jagad-ambikä), She is the Goddess who resides on Mount Kailäsa (kailäsa-väsiné). She is the beloved the mother (priyambikä), the beloved of Lord Çiva (hara-käntä and hara-ratä), and She who gives bliss to Lord Çiva (haränanda-pradäyiné), She is Lord Çiva's wife (hara-patné), Lord Çiva's beloved (hara-prétä), devoted to pleasing Lord Çiva (hara-toçaëa-tatparä), Lord Çiva's queen (hareçvaré), Goddess Saté (Saté), the nine Durgäs (nava-durgikä), stopped Dakña's yajïa (dakña-yajïa-harä), is Dakña's daughter (däkñé and dakña-kanyä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (çivä), a great devotee of Lord Çiva (çiva-bhaktä), and Lord Çiva's companion (çivänvitä), the goddess who resides on Mount Kailäsa (kailäsäcala-väsiné), She is the daughter of Nägaräja (nagendra-kanyä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (nélakaëöha-priyä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (raudrä), She delights Lord Çiva (rudränanda-prakäçiné), She is Goddess Durgä (dhümrä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (çaivä), She gives devotion to Lord Çiva (çiva-bhakti-dä), She is the true form of Çiva‘s Çakti (çiva-çakti-svarüpä), and She enjoys pastimes as the beloved who is half the body of Lord Çiva (çivärdhäìga-vihäriëé), She is the Goddess Gangä (gangä and gangä-jalamayé), She is said to be the Ganges (gangeritä), She of the mountains (parvatädhiniväsä), Her form is that of Durgä-devé (dugra-rüpä), when She sits on Lord Çiva's lap (çiva-kroòä), She is Goddess Pärvaté (haimavaté), She resides in Kailäsa (kailäsa-väsiné), She wears a garland of skulls (kapäla-mäliné), the beloved of Lord Çeña, king of snakes (nägendrä), the mother of the snakes (näga-mätä), Lord Çiva's life and soul (hara-präëä and çiva-präëä), and Lord Çiva's companion (çivänvitä), She is Draupadé (draupadé), who is dear to the Päëòavas (päëòava-priyä), She is Pärvaté (kailäsiné), Her form is that of Raudra's beloved (raudra-rüpä), She is the beloved of Lord Çiva, who wears a deerskin (kåñëasära-carma-dharä), She is dear to Kuvera's master, Lord Çiva (kuvereçvara-vallabhä), She is the other half of Lord Viñëu, Lord Çiva, and Lord Brahmä (brahma-viñëu-çivärdhäìga-häriëé). She is Lord Çiva's beloved (çaiva-çiàsapä). Bhaktajan, you are being foolish in continuing this debate. Radha is Saraswati; Saraswati is Radha. Radha is Parvati; Parvati is Radha. And, if Radha is Saraswati, then Krishna is Brahma. If Radha is Parvati, then Krishna is Shiva. Don't you see the truth that is right in front of your face?

Bhaktajan, stop with this foolishness. Radhika takes the forms of Saraswati and Parvati. And, if Radhika is in the form of Parvati, Krishna is in the form of Shiva. If Radhika is in the form of Sarswati, Krishna is in the form of Brahma! Parvati, Saraswati, Shiva, and Brahma are not demigods. They are incarnations of Radha-Krishna! They are equal! Get off of your high horse and read the Radha Sahasranama. Realize what She is trying to tell you through Her names: Brahmä's wife (brahma-patné), Goddess Sarasvaté (sarasvaté), the beautiful wife of Lord Çiva (çambhu-käntä and sadäçiva-manoharä), the wife of Lord Çiva (çivä and durgä), and the wife of Lord Çiva who destroyed Kämadeva's body (kämäìga-häriëé), Goddess Pärvaté (himälaya-sutä, sarvä, pärvaté, girijä, and saté), She is Dakña's daughter (dakña-kanyä), Goddess Pärvaté (haimavaté), she who is dear to Çiva, Brahmä, and Viñëu (çiva-brahma-hari-priyä), Lord Çiva's wife (çaçi-çekharä), She is Goddess Durgä (anna-pürëä), mother of the universe (jagad-ambikä), She is the Goddess who resides on Mount Kailäsa (kailäsa-väsiné). She is the beloved the mother (priyambikä), the beloved of Lord Çiva (hara-käntä and hara-ratä), and She who gives bliss to Lord Çiva (haränanda-pradäyiné), She is Lord Çiva's wife (hara-patné), Lord Çiva's beloved (hara-prétä), devoted to pleasing Lord Çiva (hara-toçaëa-tatparä), Lord Çiva's queen (hareçvaré), Goddess Saté (Saté), the nine Durgäs (nava-durgikä), stopped Dakña's yajïa (dakña-yajïa-harä), is Dakña's daughter (däkñé and dakña-kanyä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (çivä), a great devotee of Lord Çiva (çiva-bhaktä), and Lord Çiva's companion (çivänvitä), the goddess who resides on Mount Kailäsa (kailäsäcala-väsiné), She is the daughter of Nägaräja (nagendra-kanyä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (nélakaëöha-priyä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (raudrä), She delights Lord Çiva (rudränanda-prakäçiné), She is Goddess Durgä (dhümrä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (çaivä), She gives devotion to Lord Çiva (çiva-bhakti-dä), She is the true form of Çiva‘s Çakti (çiva-çakti-svarüpä), and She enjoys pastimes as the beloved who is half the body of Lord Çiva (çivärdhäìga-vihäriëé), She is the Goddess Gangä (gangä and gangä-jalamayé), She is said to be the Ganges (gangeritä), She of the mountains (parvatädhiniväsä), Her form is that of Durgä-devé (dugra-rüpä), when She sits on Lord Çiva's lap (çiva-kroòä), She is Goddess Pärvaté (haimavaté), She resides in Kailäsa (kailäsa-väsiné), She wears a garland of skulls (kapäla-mäliné), the beloved of Lord Çeña, king of snakes (nägendrä), the mother of the snakes (näga-mätä), Lord Çiva's life and soul (hara-präëä and çiva-präëä), and Lord Çiva's companion (çivänvitä), She is Draupadé (draupadé), who is dear to the Päëòavas (päëòava-priyä), She is Pärvaté (kailäsiné), Her form is that of Raudra's beloved (raudra-rüpä), She is the beloved of Lord Çiva, who wears a deerskin (kåñëasära-carma-dharä), She is dear to Kuvera's master, Lord Çiva (kuvereçvara-vallabhä), She is the other half of Lord Viñëu, Lord Çiva, and Lord Brahmä (brahma-viñëu-çivärdhäìga-häriëé). She is Lord Çiva's beloved (çaiva-çiàsapä).

Catholicism changes from country to country. Pictures of Mary, Jesus, etc... take on the nationality of the people they've been brought to. Church architecture is always trying to fit in with what the other buildings look like. Prayers are translated into popular languages. Books are written to make the new religion more 'familiar' to the common people. Nothing knew, really. Just a new country.

I asked because the story seemed to have nothing to do with anything. But, of course, it means something to you that no one else understands. And, that verse proves nothing, Bhaktajan. Brahma didn't create Radha-Krishna, so how can you prove he CREATED (spiritually, since They are spiritual entities) Saraswati or Uma Maheshvara? Don't you realize that Radhika takes the form of all goddesses? Don't you realize that all the gods and goddesses are but forms of Radha-Krishna? Look at some of Her thousand names!: Brahmä's wife (brahma-patné), Goddess Sarasvaté (sarasvaté), the beautiful wife of Lord Çiva (çambhu-käntä and sadäçiva-manoharä), the wife of Lord Çiva (çivä and durgä), and the wife of Lord Çiva who destroyed Kämadeva's body (kämäìga-häriëé), Goddess Pärvaté (himälaya-sutä, sarvä, pärvaté, girijä, and saté), She is Dakña's daughter (dakña-kanyä), Goddess Pärvaté (haimavaté), she who is dear to Çiva, Brahmä, and Viñëu (çiva-brahma-hari-priyä), Lord Çiva's wife (çaçi-çekharä), She is Goddess Durgä (anna-pürëä), mother of the universe (jagad-ambikä), She is the Goddess who resides on Mount Kailäsa (kailäsa-väsiné). She is the beloved the mother (priyambikä), the beloved of Lord Çiva (hara-käntä and hara-ratä), and She who gives bliss to Lord Çiva (haränanda-pradäyiné), She is Lord Çiva's wife (hara-patné), Lord Çiva's beloved (hara-prétä), devoted to pleasing Lord Çiva (hara-toçaëa-tatparä), Lord Çiva's queen (hareçvaré), Goddess Saté (Saté), the nine Durgäs (nava-durgikä), stopped Dakña's yajïa (dakña-yajïa-harä), is Dakña's daughter (däkñé and dakña-kanyä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (çivä), a great devotee of Lord Çiva (çiva-bhaktä), and Lord Çiva's companion (çivänvitä), the goddess who resides on Mount Kailäsa (kailäsäcala-väsiné), She is the daughter of Nägaräja (nagendra-kanyä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (nélakaëöha-priyä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (raudrä), She delights Lord Çiva (rudränanda-prakäçiné), She is Goddess Durgä (dhümrä), She is Lord Çiva's beloved (çaivä), She gives devotion to Lord Çiva (çiva-bhakti-dä), She is the true form of Çiva‘s Çakti (çiva-çakti-svarüpä), and She enjoys pastimes as the beloved who is half the body of Lord Çiva (çivärdhäìga-vihäriëé), She is the Goddess Gangä (gangä and gangä-jalamayé), She is said to be the Ganges (gangeritä), She of the mountains (parvatädhiniväsä), Her form is that of Durgä-devé (dugra-rüpä), when She sits on Lord Çiva's lap (çiva-kroòä), She is Goddess Pärvaté (haimavaté), She resides in Kailäsa (kailäsa-väsiné), She wears a garland of skulls (kapäla-mäliné), the beloved of Lord Çeña, king of snakes (nägendrä), the mother of the snakes (näga-mätä), Lord Çiva's life and soul (hara-präëä and çiva-präëä), and Lord Çiva's companion (çivänvitä), She is Draupadé (draupadé), who is dear to the Päëòavas (päëòava-priyä), She is Pärvaté (kailäsiné), Her form is that of Raudra's beloved (raudra-rüpä), She is the beloved of Lord Çiva, who wears a deerskin (kåñëasära-carma-dharä), She is dear to Kuvera's master, Lord Çiva (kuvereçvara-vallabhä), She is the other half of Lord Viñëu, Lord Çiva, and Lord Brahmä (brahma-viñëu-çivärdhäìga-häriëé). She is Lord Çiva's beloved (çaiva-çiàsapä). Don't you see? There are no 'demigoddesses'. They are all forms of Radha. You don't dispute that Lakshmi is a form of Radha, so why do you dispute that Parvati is, or that Saraswati is?

What? What proof have you given us of anything?