Govindaram

<font color="red"> Morning Walk </font color>

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March 24, 1974, Bombay

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<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: No, actually they are doing. Although we see that from bodily point of view they have become weak, but they don't care for it. They... You see. If they had been weak how they are chanting and dancing sankirtana? They are not weak at all. (Hindi) [break] "Now let me dance." Then I shall jump over your head." (Patel laughs) This is philosophy. "Now I am dasa, then I become your master."

 

Dr. Patel: How can you be master when I am nothing? When I am dasa, then I will be nothing before you.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: That is voidism. You are something. How you are nothing?

 

Dr. Patel: How can you be the master of a master?

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: That is not possible, but these Mayavadis tries for this.

 

Dr. Patel: (Hindi)

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: These Mayavadis, they want to become the master. (Hindi) [break]

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: They are Mayavadi?

 

Dr. Patel: No. They are Vaisnavas. All Vaisnavas.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: But they worship...

 

Dr. Patel: They worship Krsna.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: No. Krsna and their original...

 

Dr. Patel: Guru. They worship you, don't they?

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: No, no. The guru can be worshiped, but...

 

Yasomatinandana: They worship guru as God.

 

Dr. Patel: No. God is God. How can...

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: Hare Krsna.

 

Dr. Patel: They worship guru and God both.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: That is guru. Guru and God...

 

Dr. Patel: And you. You cannot have God without guru.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: And, "Let God go away." Oh, that is not good. That is not good.

 

Dr. Patel: It is not so. I think somebody has wrongly informed you, sir. And I will get you some comparative literatures to... [break] There are no four-hand there. There are no... You have wrongly seen and I have wrongly seen. No. That is...

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: But you showed me the wrong thing.

 

Dr. Patel: It was not right thing, but we have not seen in the dark. It was right thing, it was Krsna's own photograph, and there were no four hands.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: But I saw the picture. The guru has four hands.

 

Dr. Patel: No. We saw it in dark, both of us. And I also wonder... [break]

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: ...in a Rama mandira, but there was no Rama.

 

Dr. Patel: Yes, Rama mandiras have all degenerated.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: There was no Rama. The guru's picture. He's Rama.

 

Dr. Patel: That is Rama. All the temples of Saïjaya (?), there is always Krsna's (indistinct) there. [break]

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: ...(indistinct) What is this?

 

Guest (2) (Indian man): No, no. He is from that sampradaya. [break] They worship God as Swami Narayana. My Lord is Narayana. Swami means the Lord, and Narayana is the Lord. So they say always "Swami Narayana, Swami Narayana." Just like we chant Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, they chant "Swami Narayana, Swami Narayana, Swami Narayana." The Lord is Narayana, God is Narayana, God is Narayana. So Swami is Narayana. You see, actually what did he preach, "Our Swami is Narayana." So they have Swami Narayana song.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: That is Mayavada. That is Mayavada.

 

Guest (1): That is Mayavada, or whatever it may be.

 

Dr. Patel: Everything is Mayavada.

 

Guest (2): Oh, Lord is Narayana.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: As soon as we say, "Our Swami is Narayana," it is Mayavada.

 

Dr. Patel: It is not that. It is... What he says is not right.

 

Guest (1): No, that is, I understand. I have not...

 

Dr. Patel: You read all the magazines that I have read. He accepts... [break]

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: ...Vivekananda has done: daridra-narayana. Here is "Swami Narayana."

 

Dr. Patel: That is different also. You don't put up two together.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: No, no. Same thing. Another...

 

Dr. Patel: Don't get excited or it will be...

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: No, no. I'm not getting excited. You are getting.

 

Guest (1): You also don't get excited.

 

Dr. Patel: I am not getting excited, but it's not that. I will really bring you the real...

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: No, no. I am asking what is the difference between this daridra-narayana and Swami Narayana? That I am asking.

 

Dr. Patel: See, he actually went to Badrinath. When we call Narayana, Narayana, as our Lord, how is it Mayavada? How it comes into Mayavadi?

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: That is explained by Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura. Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastraih. Guru is accepted as good as God. Haritvena samasta-sastraih. Saba-sastra.

 

Dr. Patel: In all sastras.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktah **, it is said. Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih **. And this principle is accepted by great saintly persons. Kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya. He's not one with the Prabhu, but he's very dear servant of Prabhu.

 

Dr. Patel: That is right.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: That conception is Vaisnavism. And as soon as you simply say that "He is God," that is Mayavada.

 

Guest (2): Yes but we are not... But he has wrongly...

 

Guest (1): No, Swami Narayana, what I told you the principle of Swami Narayana is that...

 

Guest (2): Swami Narayana...

 

Dr. Patel: You have no right to speak.

 

Guest (1): No, no. What I understand about this...

 

Dr. Patel: There are three schools of Vaisnavism. But that... In that school, the preaching and everything in the worship is the same, more or less.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: [break] The thing is... This is the conclusion, that guru may be worshiped as Krsna, but the worshiper knows that "I am worshiping my guru not because he has become Krsna, but he is the most confidential servant of Krsna." That is Vaisnava.

 

Dr. Patel: All the Vaisnavas, what he has said. Every time he has said the same thing.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: This is the difference between Vaisnava school and Mayavadi school. Advaita-vada and dvaita-vada. They become very strong, at the same time, remain servant.

 

Dr. Patel: These suddhadvaita-vadis, their upper garment and lower garment the same as... [break] ...you call Mayavadis, they say that this is all humbug and nothing and nonexistence. They... [break] ...both are one and both are right and both are existent and both are... There is no illusion, as you say. The same thing.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: Simultaneously one and different.

 

Dr. Patel: That is a little (indistinct)

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: So unless you accept this difference, then it is Mayavada. Simply oneness is Mayavada.

 

Dr. Patel: That's right. You may... You accept one and the same, separate both or another explana..., another, only Krsna knows and nobody knows.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: No, no. No, why Krsna knows? One who is Krsna's devotee, he knows also.

 

Dr. Patel: All are Vaisnava devotees, aren't they?

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: No, no. This is Mayavada. Not all of.

 

Dr. Patel: Accha. Vallabhacarya's devotees, Vaisnavas are not...?

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: Vallabhacarya is a sampradaya.

 

Dr. Patel: But are they not Vaisnavas?

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: That is a sampradaya. Visnusvami sampradaya. That is accepted. That is accepted.

 

Dr. Patel: Ramanujacarya's Vaisnava was not Vaisnava?

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: Oh yes.

 

Dr. Patel: Then why do you say so? They are all Vaisnavas but...

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: But Ramanujacarya does not say that the devotee is God.

 

Dr. Patel: Nobody says so.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: No. [break] ...oneness with diversity. Yes. That is visistadvaita philosophy. And nirvisesa. Nirvisista-advaitavadi sankhya philosophy. Nirvisista.

 

Guest (1): Nirvisista means?

 

Dr. Patel: Vallabhacarya.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: NirvisisTa means... No, Vallabhacarya... suddhadvaita. Suddhadvaita. That is called kevaladvaita. Kevaladvaita. [break] Krsna is adi. Visnu is in the material world, He's accepted as one of the devas. Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara. So Krsna says, aham adir hi devanam.

 

Guest (1): So Krsna is adi of Visnu...

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: Visnu also.

 

Dr. Patel: Maha-Visnu.

 

<font color="red">Prabhupada</font color>: Yes. No Maha-Visnu is adi. Maha-Visnu is kala-visesa, partial exhibition of Krsna.

 

 

HARIBOL!

 

Hahahaha, you are so right! jaya, thankyou so much for that, namo om vishnu padaya..jaya sri krishna caitanya...

(how i would set it out) from above

 

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But now here is another point. You say, "Show me. Prove it to me." Our common experience is that whenever a proof takes place, there must be three elements. Someone must be there to demonstrate, there is the demonstration itself, and there must be someone qualified to evaluate the demonstration. If a scientist claims he has discovered a new mathematical formula which will solve any theoretical problem, who will evaluate that? There must be evaluation. Who will evaluate it? What if some uneducated low-class person (low-class in a cultural sense) who can't write his own name says, "Let me judge." Well, he's not qualified to judge. So when you request proof, implicit are all these conditions. So therefore when you say, "Prove it to me. Show me," the person who makes that statement is asserting I am qualified to evaluate.

 

Guest: I agree, I'm qualified.

 

Hridy: Well, what is your qualification?

 

Guest: I have all the qualifications...

 

Hridy: Now what are the qualifications to know God? Then we'll see how you have them.

 

Guest: You say God can do anything, so I want to see that entity or personal power who can do anything.

 

Hridy: You're avoiding my question. My question is specifically (I've become addicted to this) what is the qualification to see God? And second of all (I'm going to give you two at once like two barrels of a shotgun), unless you already know what God is, how could you understand what the qualification would be? Because certainly, the qualification to know something is intimately connected to the nature of that which we are trying to understand. To say I have the qualification means you already know what God is. If you already know what God is, why are you so skeptical? You have faith in the doctor, you don't know what the medicine is. Your faith is then transferred to the medicine through the doctor. My point is that first of all what is the qualification to know God? And second, how could you know that unless you already know what God is? If you already know what God is, why are you claiming that we have to show Him to you? So you can begin now your answer.

 

Guest: Ok. First of all, I have never found a person who has seen God.

 

Hridy: That's not an answer to my question. I'm sorry to hear that, but that's not the answer I asked you for. You have to answer my question, not tell me the sad story of your life. I'm asking specific questions involving logic. If your request is unreasonable, it's rejected. Now, I can say to you, "Jump ten feet in the air and whistle." But if my request is unreasonable, it's meaningless. If someone comes up and says jump ten feet in the air and whistle, you'll tell them to go away. You have no right to demand a reasonable answer to an unreasonable question.

 

Guest: My question is very reasonable.

 

Hridy: No, that we are going to find out. We are going to find out if and when you answer my questions. You see, I've given you some questions because at this point we first want to find out if your question is reasonable. So answer my question. What is the qualification to know God and how do you know that qualification unless you already know what God is? How can you know what God is unless you know what God is? And if you do know what God is, you've already experienced Him? So my question is, how do you say you're qualified? And what is the qualification and how do you know that's the qualification?

 

Guest: I'm educated, so I know most things.

 

Hridy: I am very educated is not the answer to my question. Because even though you may be an educated scientists, you may know nothing about Shakespeare. An educated poet may not be able to fix the motor in his car or even change the tire. So therefore to say, I'm very educated is a statement which is so ambiguous, it's practically irrelevant to the discussion. Specifically I want to know, What are the qualifications to know God and how do you know those are the qualifications? If you cannot answer that question,

then your statement is meaningless.

 

As I've already pointed out, the statement 'show it to me' makes sense only if you are actually qualified to evaluate the proof. And you can reasonably consider yourself qualified to evaluate the proof if you have prior knowledge of that which is to be demonstrated. For example,I know Sanskrit. Let us say you claim to also know Sanskrit. I say, "Here's a sloka, now you tell me what that means." You see? You prove to me you know Sanskrit. Now, it's reasonable for me to challenge, "Prove Sanskrit to me," because I know it. Therefore I can tell whether you're bluffing or not. Similarly, let us say you know something about Bombay. I claim I know Bombay. So you say, "Prove it to me." In other words, a person that says "prove it to me" is the person who already has the knowledge in that case.

 

Now in the case where someone does not have the knowledge what he means to say is, "Prove to me you can actually teach this." You see? Now what is the nature of that request? For example, you wouldn't go to the college if you already know medicine. And if you don't know medicine, how do you know who does know? You see? This is the same dilemma you'll find in any process where we have to transmit knowledge. If you already know, you don't have to learn and if you don't know, how do you know who does know? That's the problem. Therefore, there must be some other method by which we build our saddha or faith. There must be saddha in the person. So how do you get that faith?

 

Guest: By seeing it demonstrated.

 

Hridy: No, the student is going to the medical college and the family is paying money. It cost a small fortune in America. Now, if the goal of the process is to get the knowledge, how can you have it before you go through the process? You have to go through the medical college. When you graduate, then you'll know if you got the knowledge. But the point is that you have to have your faith. You can't go to the medical profession and say, "You first prove to me that you can teach me, then I'll learn from you." In any process of education, you begin with a little faith. And then at the end, your faith becomes stronger. So how do you answer the question ??? The first thing I said was, "What is the qualification?" The second point I made was, "How do we know?" The qualification to know God is you surrender. Now I began my discussion by saying if you take the empirical method, it only functions with entities you can manipulate or have access to. Now that eliminates all superior entities. I've had many famous scholars make this point to me. Therefore, if you make your initial assumption that you'll only accept empirical knowledge, you are condemning yourself to live in a world of inferior entities based on the egomaniacal assumption that the only real things are myself and those things I can manipulate. Now imagine the emotional immaturity or the insanity of someone who's initial assumption - not the conclusion of objective investigation - begins with the assumption that nothing is real except me and things I can manipulate. I mean he should see a psychiatrists. Isn't it? I mean that person has emotional problems. And that is the pathological mentality behind this fanatical empiricism. Now if you want to study superior entities that by definition manipulate you, the approach is different. You deal one way with your servants and another with your master. Isn't it? It's a different psychology. So if you want to understand that which is greater than you, it's a different psychological approach. Then you have to surrender.

 

Some things you understand by controlling them and some things you understand by surrender. Just like the police capture a man. So because his status is criminal, he's in a lower position. Now they want information from him so they beat him until he - as they say - sings. Isn't it? By manipulating him they get the information. But now let us say that same criminal wants to find out from the police about his status, "Excuse me sir... " He goes with folded hands, isn't it? ??? And he's begging, Could you please tell me? Because when you are in a higher position you can find out something by manipulating a lower thing. But when you want to understand the higher thing, you surrender. Just like in the university, the professor has the knowledge. If you want the knowledge, you have to please the professor. If he tells you "Jump!" you say, "How high?" Isn't it?

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so what do you think..oh forget it, eh..me and my big mouth..haribol!

 

I can understand what you are saying, offence is very bad, do you think reading KC books, can save you from offences, so the question has to be asked, how can we avoid offences?

Hare Krsna

 

Thank you for explaining again prabhu, sorry I have a really bad memory, you did explain before, also my motto is: presentation is next to godliness, to be truthful I like your posts and I think if they were set out better they would be read by more ppls, contrary to popular belief, just cause you might get 15 'hits'on a post doesn't mean ppls actually read them /images/graemlins/smirk.gif, anyway, hope you didn't mind me saying this, hare krishna!

 

and to associate with a person who does this, is bad as well, you know somebody who overly-critisizes, just maybe going over the boundary..?

 

Hare Krsna

 

Hridya Swami your Guru Maharaja? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Ps. This is not so much of a gripe, but when you posts these conversations, its difficult to read, how about spacing it out a little? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

can this be a factor?

 

 

Hare krishna

<font color="red"> "Krishna Is Very Tricky" </font color>

Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.28

Philadelphia, July 13, 1975

 

Listen

 

 

Nitai: "At the time of death, Ajamila saw three awkward persons, very fearsome in appearance, with ropes in their hands. They had twisted faces and deformed bodily features, and their hair stood on end. They had come to take Ajamila away to the shelter of Yamaraja. Ajamila became extremely bewildered when he saw them. His small child, Narayana, was playing a little distance off, and with tearful eyes and great anxiety, he called the name of his son very loudly three times, 'Narayana, Narayana, Narayana!' " [sB 6.1.28-29]

 

Prabhupada: Is there "three times"?

 

Nitai: It said in the manuscript. The manuscript said "three times."

 

Prabhupada: Who said in the manuscript? There is no three times. Not "Narayana" three times. One time, "O Narayana," that's all. So did I say "three times"? No, it is not said here. You should correct it. Once, "O Narayana," that's all. There is no reason of calling three times. There is no mention here. Once is sufficient. (laughter)

 

sa pasa-hastams trin drstva

purusan ati-darunan

vakra-tundan urdhva-romna

atmanam netum agatan

 

dure kridanakasaktam

putram narayanahvayam

plavitena svarenoccair

ajuhavakulendriyah

[sB 6.1.28-29]

 

Uccair ajuhava, very loudly, "Narayana!" Like that. That's all. Uccair ajuhava akulendriyah. So you edited it? Not yet?

 

Nitai: No.

 

Prabhupada: So you should keep at least what is there. So this is the position at the time of death. Sometimes you will find the dying man is crying, akulendriyah, tearful eyes. He cannot express. He is not practiced. But he was given the chance. Krsna gave him the conscience when the child was born to keep his name Narayana. This is Krsna's mercy, that "This rascal was My devotee, and now he is so fallen. All right, he is attracted to his children." So He gave the conscience, "Now keep your son's name Narayana." Sarvasya caham hrdi sannivistah. Krsna is situated in everyone's heart. Mattah smrtir jnanam apohanam ca [bg. 15.15]. Krsna says, "From Me everything, remembrance and forgetfulness, come." Those who want to forget Krsna, Krsna helps him to forget: "All right, you forget." He does not give. He does not dictate from the within. And one who is foolishly in bad association, unfortunately forgets Krsna, then Krsna gives him chance. Offenders are very nuisance. Krsna... Too much offender, purposefully, guru -- Vaisnava, his position is very difficult. But by chance if one forgets Krsna, Krsna does not forget him.

 

Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita it is said,

 

api cet suduracaro

bhajate mam ananya-bhak

sadhur eva sa mantavyah

samyag vyavasito hi sah

[bg. 9.30]

 

Practiced, we are practiced to so many bad habits life after life in this material condition. So sometimes, one who is engaged in devotional service to the Lord may, on account of old practice, he commits some sinful activities. Krsna forgives him. He knows that he is sincere, but on account of his old practice, he has done something mistake. There is a verse, sah .-mulam bhajatam priyasya(?). Somehow or other, you become recognized by Krsna, priya. Krsna may know that "He is sincerely trying to do something for render..." Krsna does not require your service or my service. He is self-sufficient. If we render service, that is for..., that is good for us. Krsna, He recognizes, "Oh, now he has again begun service. That's nice." So to such person Krsna excuses. Sah .-mulam bhajatam priyasya. That verse. Now I forget. There is a verse like that.

 

So the Ajamila, young man, on account of association with a prostitute, he lost his good character and began to maintain the prostitute by stealing, by cheating, one after another. So by mistake or on account of the age, he became captivated by the prostitute. So Krsna was watching. Therefore He gave him this chance that on account of his affection towards the child, he will at least repeat "Narayana, Narayana.Narayana come. Narayana take your food. Narayana sit down." So bhava-grahi-janardanah. Krsna is so kind. He takes the purpose or the essence. Because the holy name has its effect. So although this Ajamila, by his foolishness, he was attached to the material body of the son, but because he was chanting "Narayana," Krsna was taking that essence, that's all, that "Some way or other, he is chanting." The importance of chanting is so nice. So do not give up chanting. Then Krsna will protect you. This is the example. "Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna," you practice. Naturally, when you are in danger, you will say, "Hare Krsna." This much do. If you are practiced to do something, chant Hare Krsna, then you are safe.

 

So it is not difficult. Sincerely chant. Try to avoid offense. Don't try to fall down purposefully for sense gratification. That is very dangerous. He... Purposefully, he did not fall down. Circumstantially came in contact with a prostitute, could not help him. So circumstantially he fell down, not by willingly. This should be noted. Willingly doing, that is very great offense. But circumstantially, there is every chance because we are fallen and practiced to malpractices life after life. Because the material life means sinful life. You see the whole people. They do not care. They do not know even this is sinful. We say, "No illicit sex, no meat eating, no intoxication and no gambling." So Western people will think, "What is this nonsense? These are the preliminary facilities for a human being, and this man is denying." They do not know even. Some of our students left this institution. They thought that "Swamiji is denying the primary necessities of life." They are so dull that they cannot understand this is sinful. Not only ordinary common man, even a big man, Lord Zetland in England. So one of my Godbrothers went to preach, and Lord Zetland, Marquis of Zetland... He was known as Lord Rolandsey(?). He was governor of Bengal. In our college days he came to our coll... He's Scotch man. So very gentleman and inclined to philosophy. So he asked this Godbrother, "Can you make me brahmana?" So he proposed, "Yes, why not? You follow these rules and regulation. You will become brahmana." So when he heard the rules and regulation -- no illicit sex, no meat eating, no gambling, no intoxication -- he said, "Oh, it is impossible. It is not possible." He flatly refused, that "In our country it is not possible."

 

So it is very difficult job, but if one is able to give up these sinful activities, then his life is very pure. He becomes purified. And unless one is purified, he cannot chant Hare Krsna; neither he can understand Krsna consciousness.

 

yesam tv anta-gatam papam

jananam punya-karmanam

te dvandva-moha-nirmukta

bhajante mam drdha-vratah

[bg. 7.28]

 

This Krsna says. "One who has ended the process of sinful activities and engaged in pious activities, such person can become a firm devotee." So these four principle, as we have recommended, you must follow. There is no question of optional, "I may do it, I may not do." No, you must. Otherwise, the progress will be checked. Krsna will not leave you. Just like the Ajamila. The progress was checked, but because he did not do it willfully, therefore Krsna was giving him opportunity. As soon as possible, again capture him. Because he did not do anything willfully. First of all, this is the condition, circumstantial. Therefore Krsna was very kind. He gave him the son, "Call him. You have affection for your son? All right, chant 'Narayana' by calling your son." This opportunity was given. So for his sinful activities he saw fierceful features of these order-carriers, or Yamaduta. That is going on. If one is not offender, then he has no chance even to see the Yamaduta. But because willfully or nonwillfully he was engaged in sinful activities, associating with the prostitute, and for maintaining the prostitute he was planning so many sinful activities, cheat and take others' money and enjoy, for that reason, he had to see. And if he remains pure, he hasn't got to see. This is the difference.

 

So regular resultant action of sinful life, one has to. Just like Yudhisthira Maharaja. Yudhisthira Maharaja was advised by Krsna that "You go to Dronacarya and tell him the lies.What is that?Now, tell him that 'Your son Asvatthama is dead.' " Because Dronacarya had some benediction that unless he is shocked by the death of his son, he will never die. So Krsna had to take this diplomatic, because it is politics. So Krsna... Because Dronacarya will not believe anyone. He knew that Maharaja Yudhisthira is a most pious man; he never tells lies. So if Maharaja Yudhisthira goes and says that "Your son is dead," then he will believe. Otherwise, Krsna could have gone personally, but He knew that people do not believe Him. (laughter) He is very tricky. (laughter) So therefore no tricky man can excel Him. A man may be very tricky, very intelligent, but he will not be able to excel Krsna. He is more tricky. Just like in His childhood, Krsna was naughty, so mother wanted to bind Him. So Krsna also became tricky. Mother first of all brought some rope and bound, and when it was to be knotted, it was short. And then again she joined another rope. In this way, whatever rope store she had, she brought one after another, and at last, when knotting, it is too... What is called?

 

Devotees: Inches.

 

Prabhupada: Short. So she, Krsna thought, "Mother, nobody can bind Me, and because I have accepted to become your child, you are trying to bind Me? All right, you bring your all ropes. You will never be able to bind Me." This is Krsna. But mother Yasoda is the greatest devotee. So when Krsna saw that "My mother is now exhausted, perspiring. All right, you can bind Me." This is the... You have seen in the Krsna book. So ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham [bg. 4.11]. If you want to play tricks with Krsna, Krsna is the greater trick. You will never be able. That is our mistake, that we think that "I am so intelligent, I can do something without the knowledge of Krsna." That is our foolishness. Krsna says, sarvasya caham hrdi sannivistah: [bg. 15.15] "I am sitting in everyone's heart." How you can cheat Him? It is not possible. Don't try to cheat Krsna. Don't try to cheat guru. Don't try to cheat Krsna. Then your progress is sure. Guru-krsna-krpaya paya bhakti-lata-bija [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. You are singing daily, sri-guru-carana... What is that? Sri-guru...

 

Devotees: Sri-guru-carana-padma, kevala-bhakati-sadma.

 

Prabhupada: No, that...

 

Devotee: Guru-mukha?

 

Prabhupada: Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya **. Don't try to cheat guru. Then progress will be checked.

 

acaryam mam vijaniyan

navamanyeta karhicit

na martya-buddhyasuyeta

sarva-devamayo guruh

[sB 11.17.27]

 

Acaryam mam vijaniyan. Krsna says, "Acarya means I am." Navamanyeta karhicit: "Do not try to neglect." Na martya-buddhyasuyeta: "Do not consider acarya, spiritual master, as ordinary human being and become envious." These things are warned. Acaryam mam vijaniyan navamanyeta karhicit, na martya-buddhyasuyeta [sB 11.17.27]. Familiarity breeds contempt. That is not good. Similarly... Because by the mercy of acarya, by the mercy of guru, you will get Krsna. You sing that, krsna-prapti jaha hoite, what is that? Krsna-prapti jaha hoite. What is that language?

 

Krta-krta: That by his mercy he brings us close to Krsna.

 

Prabhupada: No, no, what is that Bengali language? You cannot... You are singing daily?

 

Krta-krta: Prema-bhakti jaha hoite, avidya vinasa jate.

 

Prabhupada: Ah. Avidya vinasa jate, krsna-prapti haya... So these are the things. Avidya vinasa jate. Avidya means ignorance. We are full of ignorance. So guru's duty is to open the eyes, and by opening your eyes he will give you Krsna. So this is the process. So you should be very much careful not to cheat Krsna, not to cheat guru, and become very sincere and follow. Then it is guaranteed. Guru-krsna-krpaya paya bhakti-lata-bija [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. Two things required. You cannot jump over Krsna, neglecting guru. Then it is finished. If you want to jump over Krsna without favor of the guru, Krsna is not so easy. So these things should be very carefully observed, no offense. Sincerely follow. Then Krsna will protect, and your progress in Krsna consciousness, to go back to home, back to Godhead, will be assured, insured.

 

So this man circumstantially fell down. So Krsna is saving him. Krsna is saving him, and he will be saved. We shall see in the following passage.

 

Thank you very much. (end)

 

prabhupadavani.org

 

<font color="red"> Srirangam Ranganatha temple &

Sleeping Vishnu Swami Ranganatha.. </font color>

 

 

Hare Krsna

 

Hare Krishna

 

It amazes me how much service devotees do for Krishna diety, so much dedication, very inspiring to me, any pictures of the diety would be great to look at, though I doubt there are any, jai sri krishna.

Hare Krishna

 

Not sure who the diety is of, something to do with the pastimes of Lord Ramachandra, somewhere in South India?

 

does anybody have any info?? Please!

 

Hare Krishna

 

Being humble is easy, if you don't get angry /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Theist Prabhu (by the way what is Theist's spiritual name?)

Anyways no matter..come back! and um Theiorize.

 

 

Hare Krishna

 

from-Purport

Therefore devotees in the line of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu must chant at least sixteen rounds daily, and this is the number prescribed by the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Haridasa Thakura daily chanted 300,000 names. Sixteen rounds is about 28,000 names. There is no need to imitate Haridasa Thakura or the other Gosvamis, but chanting the holy name a fixed number of times daily is essential for every devotee.

 

<font color="red"> Sri Caitanya-caritamrita Madhya-lila 7.37</font color>

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Ps.according to my calculations(lol), 300,000 names is about 160 rounds, from the above information /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

 

In Kali-yuga, people cannot undergo severe austerities like those mentioned herein--drinking only water and eating only air for many months. One cannot imitate such a process. But at least one must undergo some austerity by giving up four unwanted principles, namely illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. Anyone can easily practice this tapasya, and then the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra will be effective without delay. One should not give up the process of austerity.

 

Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.5.27-28

 

<font color="red"> One Must Chant in Humility </font color>

 

Explanation of the "triad api sunicena" verse of Siksastaka:

 

To chant the holy name always, one should be humbler than the grass in the street and devoid of all desire for personal honor, but one should offer others all respectful obeisances. A devotee engaged in chanting the holy name of the Lord should practice forbearance like that of a tree. Even if rebuked or chastised, he should not say anything to others to retaliate. For even if one cuts a tree, it never protests, nor even if it is drying up and dying does it ask anyone for water..."One who thinks himself lower than the grass, who is more tolerant than a tree, and who does not expect personal honor yet is always prepared to give all respect to others, can very easily always chant the holy name of the Lord." Raising my hands, I declare, "Everyone please hear me! String this verse on the thread of the holy name and wear it on your neck for continuous remembrance." One must strictly follow the principles given by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu in this verse. If one simply follows in the footsteps of Lord Caitanya and the Gosvamis, certainly he will achieve the ultimate goal of life, the lotus feet of Sri Krishna.

 

This practice of forbearance (triad api sunicena) is very difficult, but when one actually engages in chanting the Hare Krishna mantra, the quality of forbearance automatically develops. <font color="blue"> A person advanced in spiritual consciousness through the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra need not practice to develop it separately, for a devotee develops all good qualities simply by chanting the Hare Krishna mantra regularly... </font color>

 

When chanting the Hare Krishna maha-mantra, in the beginning one may commit many offenses, which are called namabhasa and nama-aparadha. In this stage there is no possibility of achieving perfect love of Krishna by chanting the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. Therefore one must chant the Hare Krishna maha-mantra according to the principles of the above verse, triad api sunicena taror iva sahisiuna...Chanting is very simple, but one must practice it seriously. Therefore the author of Caitanya-caritamrta, Krishnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami, advises everyone to keep this verse always strung about his neck.

 

Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Adi-lila 17.26-28, 31-33

 

From Folio Infobase

 

If they are in another dimension also, so they can't be photographed right? so its a vain attempt, waste of time, cause like you said they are percieved by the mind, anyways I am just wondering about this, because if its possible then you can defect scientists, theory that theirs no life after death..souls exsistance etc.

 

Here is some information that may help you, found it on the Folio..

Some of it I don't understand, but hey what are calenders for!

 

Letter to:

Madhudvisa (excerpt)

England

30 September, 1969

 

His Divine Grace:

Regarding you first question, we observe Ekadasi from sunrise to sunrise. The 12 midnight is western astronomical calculation, but the Vedic astronomical calculation begins either from the sunrise or the moonrise. Generally it is sunrise. Our calculation is like this: when the sunrise is there, Ekadasi tithi (date) must be there. If Ekadasi tithi is not in the sunrise and the tithi begins, say after a few minutes after the sunrise, then we accept that day as previous to Ekadasi. All our ceremonies are calculated in that way. This means we must see the tithi during sunrise. Therefore, sometimes our dates of ceremonies do not exactly coincide like the western calculations. Just like Christmas Day they have fixed up on the 25th December, but our Janmastami tithi is not fixed up like that. My birthday is on the 1st September, 1896, but this year the tithi of my birthday was fixed for the 4th September. So it is very difficult to calculate, therefore we have to take help from the Indian expert almanac astronomers.

 

Letter to:

Gaurasundara(excerpt)

London

20 November, 1969

Srimati Jayasri Dasi sent me some dried banana chips and they are very nice for my Ekadasi food.

 

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Just wondering /images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

Kulapavana seems to be an expert, do you know /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

Haribol!

 

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Please correct me if I am wrong. One thought is that although scriptures may have various things to say, our acarya ...Srila Prabhupada adjusted things for us in Kali yuga. What to do?

 

Eh? Our acarya? and change? contradiction ahoy!

 

<font color="red"> Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada: </font color>

 

It is said that the sun is taking away our duration of life--every minute, every hour, every day--but if we engage ourselves in the topics of Uttama-sloka, the topics of the Lord, that time cannot be taken away. The time one devotes in a Krishna consciousness temple cannot be taken away. It is an asset--a plus, not a minus. The duration of life, so far as the body is concerned, may be taken; however one tries to keep it intact, no one can do it. But the spiritual education we receive in Krishna consciousness cannot be taken away by the sun. It becomes a solid asset.

 

Chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is a very easy thing to do. Time spent chanting cannot be taken away like time pertaining to the body. Fifty years ago I was a young man, but that time has been taken and cannot be returned. The spiritual knowledge I received from my spiritual master, however, cannot be taken away, but will go with me. Even after I quit this body, it will go with me; and if it is perfect in this life, then it will take me to the eternal abode.

 

Easy Journey to Other Planets

 

 

 

you are right, jaya swaminarayana!

 

always chant the Holy names of God,.haribol!

 

Hare Krsna!

 

Room Conversation

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August 25, 1976, Hyderabad

 

 

<font color="green"> Indian man: </font color> I mean the doubt I am having, Gita, I mean...

 

<font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color> Then you, you now you just become out of doubt. That... Just like Krishna says in the Seventh Chapter, mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah asamsayam. Here is asamsayam. No doubt. Why you are in doubt? You do not accept Krishna. You accept somebody else.

 

<font color="green"> Indian man: </font color> Not a question of accepting. We are all ignorant people in the field of...

 

<font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color> Therefore you are in doubt.

 

<font color="green"> Indian man: </font color> We are, we have...

 

<font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color> No. Therefore you are in doubt. If you want to be doubtless, then you accept Krishna. Mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. Asrayah. Not that equal footing. Mad-asrayah. Asamsayam samagram mam yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu [bg. 7.1]. So you have to accept Krishna. If you become, if you want to become doubtless. Otherwise, you'll be put into doubt. Here it is said asamsayam, "without any doubt." That is the process. And if you want to remain in doubt, you continue. You accept this man, that man, that man, that man, that man. That is your business. But if you want to be doubtless, then you have to accept Krishna.