Govindaram

 

Hare Krishna

 

In a lecture by HH Radhanath Maharaja, he talks about when Lord Caitanya sat down on Vyasa of Lord Vishnu and gave benedictions to His devotees, does anybody know where I can read this pastime on-line?

 

Srimad Bhagavatam 1.7.48

 

TRANSLATION

If the kingly administrative order, being unrestricted in sense control, offends the brahmana order and enrages them, then the fire of that rage burns up the whole body of the royal family and brings grief upon all.

 

PURPORT

The brahmana order of society, or the spiritually advanced caste or community, and the members of such highly elevated families, were always held in great esteem by the other, subordinate castes, namely the administrative kingly order, the mercantile order and the laborers.

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The above verse to me is very interesting, that if you are unrestricted in sence enjoyment, then you are bound to offend devotees of Krishna.

 

Haribol.

 

Hare Krishna

 

I can't remember where but I heard that Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that there is actually no hell, could anybody say in which Book he says this at all?

 

though, one persons problems can seem like nothing to another person, and visa-versa, the worst thing samsara, (birth/death, & old age/diseace), when you look at it deeply these are the REAL problems of Life. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

it takes a bit of thinking to imagine a worse planet than this one/

 

(by me LOL)

 

Oh Mind you can spare millions/billions and trillions of years for sence gratification, but you cannot spare 2 hours a day out of 24 hours for that cowheard boy Govinda. Please remain in ignorance if you like, but then forget about that son of Yashodamayi, Krishna. Now do as you like/.

 

What do you think?

 

Haribol!

 

I have to admit also I have many times got angry at Krishna, (i'd like to think it was in a 'rasa'), but its pure ignorance really, I do regret when I do it, but its sweet in a way also that we can get angry at the one we like, (notice I didn't use the word love), I have still have loads of anger inside me, which is only a lack of love for krishna, funny or what?!

 

Hare Krishna

 

Do you think or any nice devotees think that we can, imitate great devotees, the above post by krsna sounds to me like imitation or true, I know I may sound offensive in what I say but I do not mean to, I am only tying to make a point, Hare Krishna!

 

Hare Krishna

 

Can you get this book on-line, if not then anymore nectar on hand?

 

I heard of this book from Living Entity (who due to misunderstanding is Not talking to me) sorry Mata for offending you, Haribol.

 

Haribol!

 

Speaking about Krishna & eating prasadam are two functions of the tongue which should be taken-up as you are, Hare Krsna.

 

Saw it on the above channel, not sure what sampradaya he is from, but I love to watch KC programmes on Tele, so I do!

 

I was kinda shocked by what he said, but maybe he was talking about sada-siva?

 

exact words were in Hindi but in english..

 

"Siva and Narayana are the same"

 

Haribol!

 

In a lecture by a Vaishnava.. he said that Narayana and Lord Siva are the same, is this true, I know Krishna has more qualities than Narayana & Lord Siva, so there is no issue there..Haribol!

 

 

 

I have to agree about the taste of milk, In India my cousins keep cows, and the milk is much much more thick and creamy very wholesome, I had just one glass and I was full up. Cows give so much happiness to this world yet ppls still kill them, if they were gone this world would fall-apart.

 

Any example of ViSNu speedfighting?

 

mmm lol I thought of this a long time ago, thinking about it Lord Balarama is a boxer type don't you think?

 

I was watching a boxing match yesterday and this guy gave an almighty knock-down punch, all this fancy karate fight stuff is just in the movies, can't beat a good swift wallop!

 

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Beat it with a broomstick in the morning

 

and a big ol'brush at night

 

or alternatively a vacumn clearner /images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

also I have no idea what this guest is on about, Lord Krishna in Vrindavana pastimes ate foodstuffs (stealed more like haha), made of milk, thats the Vedas for you!

 

etc, Krishna says gimme Milk!

 

Hare krishna

 

There are a lot of Gurus in Iskcon and elsewhere in other Maths, so my question is esp. about Iskcon, there are many Gurus, but we are supposed too see and test ourselves whether this person is ok for us, so what I'm asking is isn't it an offence to think a person may Not be a pure devotee, I hope devotees understand my question even if I am not saying everything out-right. Haribol

 

 

From Krishna Conscious Play Scripts (new 98)

 

<font color="red"> The Boatman And The Scholar</font color>

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CAST: Narrator, Professor, Boatman. PROPS: The professor wears a long coat and hat, small wire-framed glasses and carries a briefcase. In the briefcase is a copy of Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 1. He also carries an umbrella.

 

 

SCENE ONE

 

Narrator: Our scene opens on the bank of the Ganges river, opposite to the city of Benares. The professor is in a hurry to cross the Ganges in time for his scheduled lecture as a guest speaker at the prestigious Institute of Futurology.

 

Professor: (irritated, in a hurry, talking to himself) I can't believe it! The bridge is destroyed from the flood last week! Typically India! Typical, typical! How am I supposed to get across this blasted river now? I simply must be at the university on time! (sees Boatman sitting and mending something) Hey there, you! Tell me, how on earth and heaven is one supposed to get across this river when the bridge is out, huh?

 

Boatman: (detached) Well, you could take a boat.

 

Professor: A boat. Not a bad idea. (still irritated) And where might one find a boat under these conditions? No doubt there are thousands of people trying to get boat rides across the river under these conditions!

 

Boatman: Well, I've got a boat for hire.

 

Professor: Really? I do say? (feigning indifference) What's your price?

 

Boatman: One way, or round trip?

 

Professor: One way.

 

Boatman: One person?

 

Professor: One person. (emphasizes words in his impatience)

 

Boatman: Five rupees, fifty paisa.

 

Professor: (astonished) Five rupees, fifty paisa!? That's insane! Forget it. I'm not going to pay that much. In my country that's called thievery...

 

Boatman: As you like. (continues mending) But I don't think you'll find anyone cheaper. That's the price these days. A man has to earn a living to support his family...

 

Professor: Okay, okay, just show me your boat.

 

Boatman: Just five minutes and I'll be finished mending this life-jacket.

 

Professor: No! Let's go now! I'll be late for my appointment at the university. I must deliver a very important lecture...(looks at his watch)...in exactly one hour.

 

Boatman: Alright. Here's my boat-please get in, sir.

 

Professor: (hesitant) Is this boat navigable?

 

Boatman: Navigable? What does that mean?

 

Professor: It doesn't leak?

 

Boatman: No, sir! I've had this same boat for twenty years. No problem!

 

Professor: (doubtful) Alright. Let's go.

 

Boatman: (holds out hand, expecting payment. Professor pays him hurriedly) You climb in, please, and I will push off. (Professor climbs in clumsily, forgetting his umbrella) Your umbrella, sir. (Boatman hands him his umbrella)

 

Professor: Oh yes, thank you. (Boatman pushes off, beginning to row, showing great endeavor) Tell me, boatman, if you don't mind my asking, what is your age?

 

Boatman: My age? Fifty-two last week.

 

Professor: Hmmm, fifty-two, and I suppose you have been rowing boats across the Ganges your whole life, eh?

 

Boatman: That's right.

 

Professor: Did you ever consider investing in a motorboat?

 

Boatman: Invest?...Motor...?

 

Professor: Sure. If you had started saving money when you were young, by now you could have bought a first-class motorboat. Not only would you not have to work so hard in your old age, you could carry a lot more passengers and make a lot more money. And with that extra money you could buy more boats and rent them out...and by now you could be a rich man. Money makes money, they say!

 

Boatman: (gravely) Hmmm...money...I'm certainly not a rich man, but I get by. And whatever excess money I have, I use for Krishna-seva.

 

Professor: Krishna-what?

 

Boatman: Krishna-seva-service to Krishna. Worship of Krishna.

 

Professor: You don't mean to say you belong to that Hare Krishna sect, do you?

 

Boatman: My family has been worshiping Krishna for generations. I don't know what you mean by "sect." In Bhagavad-Gita Krishna says "bhoktaram yajna tapasam, sarva-loka-mahesvaram"-He says, "I am the Supreme Lord, the Supreme enjoyer of all sacrifices." Therefore I worship Him. I simply accept the statements of Bhagavad-Gita.

 

Professor: Ach! This religion nonsense! Nothing more than an opiate for the people, if you ask me! It is one thing I have to agree with Karl Marx about: "Religion is the opiate for the people." Have you ever heard of Karl Marx?

 

Boatman: He is a movie actor, isn't he?

 

Professor: (turns to audience) Just see! He doesn't know anything! He hasn't the slightest idea about economics, neither for his own economic advancement nor in theory. He has no idea about the great theories of economics, by which this whole world moves! Typically India! (turns to Boatman) I must say, Boatman, 25% of your life is wasted!

 

Boatman: Wasted?

 

Professor: Wasted! Simply wasted.

 

Boatman: Well, I wouldn't say "wasted." I may not be so well educated as far as book learning in school goes, but every evening I hear stories read by our village brahmanas from the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. You have heard of these books, sir?

 

Professor: Of course, of course-mythology, all my-tho-lo-gy! Just some stories compiled for maintaining a stable and complacent society. As the rest of the world marches onward to greater and greater frontiers of advancement, India hobbles behind, worshipping her "sacred" cows. You probably don't even know that we have landed men on the moon, do you?

 

Boatman: Yes, someone was telling me about that, but quite frankly, I have my doubts.

 

Professor: (flabbergasted) DOUBTS!?

 

Boatman: Yes, doubts. After all, what did they find there? A few rocks, I heard.

 

Professor: Not "a few rocks"-a LOT of rocks!!!

 

Boatman: Okay, a lot of rocks. Anyway, according to the Vedic description of the moon, there is much more than rocks to be found there. Actually it is a very beautiful, heavenly place. The people there live for 10,000 years, with each day being equal to our six months. If you ask me, they didn't land on the moon. Maybe some other planet. Anyway, they couldn't stay there, so what is the use?

 

Professor: (indignant) Use? For advancement of human knowledge, of course! Man has an intrinsic need to explore the vast reaches of the unknown, to leave no stone

unturned, as the saying goes.

 

Boatman: That's alright, but what is the use if you know so much about moon rocks and film stars, but do not know who you are?

 

Professor: (offended) You think I don't know who I am!? Of course I know who I am! I am the famous, one and only, Professor Swagalot, with degrees in several subjects, including Astro-physical-biology, Political-economic-simplistics, and Ontological-paleo-cryptology. And I've studied so many subjects thoroughly and written hundred of papers and articles and books and I'm so busy with speaking engagements, that I simply have no time...

 

Boatman: No time to consider who you actually are...after all, that is what human life is for. That is what the Vedas say-the goal of life is to realize who you really are-as an eternal spirit soul...

 

Professor: Look, Boatman, that's quite enough. And why are you slowing down? It is getting late. Hurry up, for God's sake! /images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

Boatman: Yes, okay. (resumes rowing, singing quietly to himself the Hare Krishna mantra)

 

Professor: With your cows and Vedas and all that, you don't even believe that we have landed on the moon! Ha! I say 50% of your life is wasted! I...my God, I almost forgot, I have to prepare my address to the Institute of Futurology about human genetic perfection. Where is my notebook? (digs in his briefcase, pulls out Srimad-Bhagavatam, Canto 1) What is this book? Oh yes, some young lady sold me this book in the New York airport. I told her I wouldn't have time to read it, but she wouldn't take "no" for an answer. (opens book, reads one verse aloud) Hmmm...Sanskrit-very old language...srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah...Ha! Krishna! I thought so! (addresses Boatman) You Krishnas are everywhere! (opens book randomly, reads aloud) "In the revealed scriptures, the ultimate object of knowledge is Sri Krishna, the Personality of Godhead. The purpose of performing sacrifice is to please Him. Yoga is for realizing Him. All fruitive activities are ultimately rewarded by Him only. He is supreme knowledge, and all severe austerities are performed to know Him. Religion (dharma) is rendering loving service unto Him. He is the supreme goal of life." That's 1.2.28 and 29. (forgets himself for a moment)

 

Boatman: Jai! Haribol, Haribol!

 

Professor: (resuming attitude of irritated impatience) Oh, no! Again this Krishna! Why me?! Anyway, look here Boatman, just get me across this accursed river, fast!

 

Boatman: Excuse me, sir, but this river is none other than the sacred mother Ganges, whose waters emanate from the lotus feet of Lord Vishnu. Please don't offend her in that way.

 

Professor: (exaggerated apology) Oh, I'm so sorry. And I suppose you want to tell me that the water is completely pure, huh? If you only knew how much disease-carrying micro-organisms these rivers in India carry! Sometimes I wonder what is the use of this country at all. After all that the British did for you, you still insist on keeping your antiquated ways. Boatman, tell me what you know about the British colonial time in India.

 

Boatman: Not a whole lot. I know they came and built railroads all over the place so that many people left the land and went to the cities to work in factories in squalorous, inhumane conditions...

 

Professor: 75% of your life is wasted! I say there, where did you hear this propaganda? What nonsense. Simply nonsense. If it weren't for the British...Hey, what's going on? (opens his umbrella) It's raining and getting cold and blowing like anything! (a little humble) Boatman, can't you be quicker?

 

Boatman: I'm trying my best. But the current is very strong. (rows intently, chanting "Jaya Govinda, Jaya Gopal, Keshava Madhava Dina-dayal") The weather is very unpredictable at this time of year. A heavy rainstorm can come at a moment's notice.

 

Professor: But, but hurry up...(shows panic) This can't be-I have to deliver my lecture on Futurology. Look, I'll even pay you five rupees extra to hurry up!

 

Boatman: That is all right. I don't think it will help at this point. You can keep your money. (takes off shoes, shirt)

 

Professor: What are you doing now?

 

Boatman: Getting ready to swim.

 

Professor: (panicking, tearful) Swim?! You are going to swim?

 

Boatman: What else is there to do? (boat capsizes) Excuse me sir, but we'll just have to swim for it now; it's not so far, but...can you swim, by the way?

 

Professor: Nooooooooooooooooo!

 

Boatman: Then 100% of your life is wasted! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Narrator: The life of our unfortunate Professor was not actually 100% wasted. After all, he had read a verse from Srimad-Bhagavatam, heard the Hare Krishna mantra, and even drowned in the sacred Ganga-no doubt freeing him from all sinful reactions of his past misdeeds. As for his so-called advanced learning, we see that it was not sufficient to defend him from the jaws of death. Our simple boatman, on the other hand, despite his lack of book-knowledge on material subjects of so-called advancement, had sufficient knowledge not only to save himself from a physically dangerous situation, but also to bring him to realize the goal of life-going back home, back to Godhead.

 

We urge you to read the books mentioned in this play-the ancient Vedic literatures translated into English by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. The Srimad-Bhagavatam and the Bhagavad-Gita are available today from the devotees here. Thank you very much.

The End

 

Hare Krishna

 

That is very nice thank you,

I was also thinking about how we can chant a spiritual sound vibration with our present material senses, so from what you say (bona-fide) I know you're speaking from Sastra, that eventually our senses can be purified (spiritualised) or Krsnaized /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

So anything used in Krishna service becomes spiritual, even though it is made of material substance, um..I know this is true, but I can't think how it is, if you know what I mean...

 

Hare Krishna

 

I have been thinking that how can a pure devotees body becomes/is spiritual, and does this mean everything is spiritual and nothing is material, I just can't get my head around it, can somebody help please, hare krishna.

 

The Yajna for this Age is Sankirtana, chanting the Holy Names of Krishna, so your right!

 

Why not just have a mass kirtan, its freeeeeeeee!!

 

"What I need to improve is to see that in every body, there is a soul and the Supersoul situated in it."

 

When I see a beautiful women I think of the bile and puke story, the one where she collects all her stool and stores it in a jar (seperated beauty) and the man realises her actual beauty, also the above I try to do, and the funny thing is I do know for a fact Krishna is within my heart as 4 handed form Lord Vishnu but still I refuce to surrender to His intructions.

 

<H5> <font color="blue"> Nama Sankirtana

Hari Haraye Namah Krsna</font color></H5>

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hari haraye namah krsna yadavaya namah

yadavaya madhavaya kesavaya namah

<font color="red"> O Lord Hari, O Lord Krsna, I offer my obeisances to You, who are known as Yadava, Hari, Madhava, and Kesava. </font color>

 

(2)

gopala govinda rama sri-madhusudana

giridhari gopinatha madana-mohana

<font color="red"> O Gopala, Govinda, Rama, Sri Madhusudana, Giridhari, Gopinatha, Madana-mohana! </font color>

 

(3)

sri-caitanya-nityananda sri-advaita-sita

hari guru vaisnaba bhagavata gita

<font color="red"> All glories to Sri Caitanya and Nityananda. All glories to Sri Advaita Acarya and His consort, Sri Sita Thakurani. All glories to Lord Hari, the spiritual master, the Vaisnavas, Srimad-Bhagavatam, and Srimad-Bhagavad-gita</font color>

 

(4)

sri-rupa sanatana bhatta-raghunatha

sri-jiva gopala-bhatta dasa-raghunatha

<font color="red"> All glories to Srila Rupa Gosvami, Sanatana Gosvami, Raghunatha Bhatta dasa Gosvami, Srila Jiva Gosvami, Gopala Bhatta Gosvami, and Raghunatha dasa Gosvami</font color>

 

(5)

ei chay gosair kori carana vandan

jaha hoite bighna-nas abhista-puran

<font color="red"> I offer my obeisances to feet of these six Gosvamis. By offering them my obeisances all obstacles to devotion are destroyed and all spiritual desires are fulfilled. </font color>

 

(6)

ei chay gosai jar--mui tar das

ta-sabara .-renu mora panca-gras

<font color="red"> I am the servant of that person who is a servant of these six Gosvamis. The dust of their holy feet is my five kinds of foodstuffs. </font color>

 

(7)

tadera carana-sebi-bhakta-sane bas

janame janame hoy ei abhilas

<font color="red"> This is my desire, that birth after birth I may live with those devotees who serve the lotus feet of these six Gosvamis. </font color>

 

(8)

ei chay gosai jabe braje koila bas

radha-krsna-nitya-lila korila prakas

<font color="red"> When these six Gosvamis lived in Vraja they revealed and explained the eternal pastimes of Radha-Krsna. </font color>

 

(9)

anande bolo hari bhaja brndaban

sri-guru-vaisnaba-pade majaiya man

<font color="red"> Absorbing your mind in meditation upon the divine feet of the spiritual master and the holy Vaisnavas, chant the names of Lord Hari in ecstasy, and worship the transcendental realm of Vrndavana. </font color>

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Hare Krishna,

 

An interesting fact I heard in a lecture by a devotee is that Lord Ramachandra appeared at 12.00pm (day-light),

 

and Lord Krishna appeared at 12.00am (night-time).