Govindaram

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London, March 8, 1975</font color></H5>

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<H6>Prabhupada: So how many devotees are there now?

Hamsaduta: Eighty.

Prabhupada: Eighteen?

Hamsaduta: Eighty.

Prabhupada: Eighty. That's nice. So Bhaktivinoda Thakura has sung, jay sakal bipod... (aside:) It is going now. Jay sakal bipod, gai bhaktivinod, jakhon ami o-nam gai, radha-Krishna bolo bolo, bolo re sobai. The Caitanya Mahaprabhu's preaching is to request everyone to chant Hare Krishna or Radha-Krishna. So Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that "When I chant Hare Krishna mantra, then all dangers go away." So this place, this material world, is a dangerous place. Padam padam yad vipadam. Vipad means danger, and padam padam means every step. In the material world you cannot expect very smooth, peaceful life. That is not possible. And the only remedy is to take shelter of the lotus feet of Murari. Murari means Krishna.

samasrita ye .-pallava-plavam

mahat-padam punya-yaso murareh

bhavambudhir vatsa-padam param padam

padam padam yad vipadam na tesam

So there is always if you stay in a very good boat, still, because the platform is water you cannot think that the boat is always very smooth and without any trouble. So material world is always full of troubles. So if we keep ourself in our standing, in our standard, chanting Hare Krishna regularly, then the dangers will be over. Dangers, they are not also permanent. They come and go like the seasonal changes. Sometimes it is very hot; sometimes it is very cold. So Krishna has advised that agamapayino 'nityas tams titiksasva bharata. So don't be diverted from the chanting of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra, and don't be afraid of because there is some danger and danger. Take shelter of Krishna's lotus feet, chant Hare Krishna mantra, and dangers will be over.

But we should not create such position, dangerous. It is already dangerous. Because Caitanya Mahaprabhu was also very cautious about spiritual life. Sannyasira alpa chidra bahu kori mane. Others may violate the laws, and so many sinful activities they are doing, but nobody takes very serious care. But when a religious group or a sannyasi commits little offense, it is magnified a thousand times. Therefore we should be very careful not to make anything which may be magnified to the eyes of the public. Because we are preaching. We are preaching, and there is always demonic party who want to put us in difficulty. That is natural. Even Hiranyakasipu, being the father of Prahlada Maharaja, he was also putting him into difficulty. But if we remain sincere and go on chanting, these dangers will be over. Don't be afraid. Don't stop your regular regulative principles and regular activities, program. Go on with it.

<font color="red"> Depend on Krishna, and gradually everything will be all right. </font color>

So I think we shall this much today. Now it is time over. The Deities should go to rest. We should not detain. That's all right. Hare Krishna. (end)</H6>

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From your site:

"In Section 4.b we show that if the plane of BhU-maNDala corresponds to the plane of the ecliptic, then it indeed makes sense to say that the moon is higher than the sun relative to BhU-maNDala. This does not mean that the moon is farther from the earth globe than the sun."

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So let me think then does this mean that if you want to travel to the moon or sun, you have to travel on the path of the Bhu-mandala, and not just go like in a 'bent' line?

Also the possibilty of Mars poddle landing on Mars would be impossible since scientists don't know the vedic way..right?

I deleted the thread I made before, thought it was inappropriate, I should have looked in the Gita first, great verses this one in particular..

"For one whose mind is unbridled, self-realization is difficult work. But he whose mind is controlled and who strives by appropriate means is <font color="red">assured of success. </font color> That is My opinion."

"exactly what is 'surrendering' unto Krishna, and how do we surrender unto Krishna"

we are serving always, either our senses/ppls/society, so why not serve Krishna senses? makes sense don't you think? damn that EGO! its just doesn't realise who to serve.

Haribol!

I think its fun to think of it as Krishna's birthday (Appearance Day) everyday, makes me feel enthusiastic, which is not a bad thing, Srila Prabhupada did say anyway you can think of Krishna 'just do it' (Copyright) just kidding, haribol!

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Lord Nityananda Prabhu's

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Bhubaneswar, February 2, 1977

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<font color="blue"> Prabhupada: </font color> So today, the appearance day of Nityananda Prabhu... Nityananda Prabhu is Baladeva, Baladeva-tattva.

vrajendra-nandana yei, saci-suta haila sei,

balarama haila nitai

"Who was formerly the son of Nanda Maharaja, He has appeared as the son of Sacidevi." Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mother's name was Sacidevi. So Krishna....Krishna is Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and Balarama is Nityananda Prabhu. Now...

vrajendra-nandana yei, saci-suta haila sei,

balarama haila nitai

So Balarama... In the Vedic literature it is said, nayam atma bala-hinena labhyah; na bahuna srutena. So bala means strength. Sometimes some rascal philosophers, they take it that bala means bodily strength. They propagate this philosophy that "Unless you are bodily stout and strong, you cannot achieve spiritual salvation. You must be very strong and stout and eat meat and fight, and then you'll get next spiritual birth" No. This bala, this strength, is different. This is spiritual strength.

The difficulty of the present situation is that actually we are moving on account of spiritual strength, but they have no information of the spiritual strength. They are thinking of material strength. That is expressed here, that

ahankare matta hoiya, nitai-. pasariya,

asatyere satya kori mani

This is due to ahankara. Ahankara-vimudhatma kartaham iti manyate [bg. 3.27]. Those who are vimudha, especially rascal... Mudha, rascals, and vi means visesa, visesanam, particularly. Ahankara- vimudhatma. The same thing which is spoken in the Bhagavad-gita, Narottama dasa Thakura says the same thing in a plain Bengali language. Ahankare matta haiya, nitai-.... By the spell of maya--ahankara-vimudhatma kartaham iti manyate [bg. 3.27]-- they are thinking that "We are independent. We can do whatever we like." This is called ahankara-vimudhatma. Under false pretext, false prestige, everyone is thinking that "We are independent. We can find out the solution of the problems of life by material adjustment," so on, so on. So that is our material disease. Ahankara-vimudhatma. Bewildered, they do not understand that the real strength is spiritual strength. We see daily, see daily that a very strong man, very powerful man, very good brain, very good scientist... So where is the strength? The strength is atma. As soon as the atma, or the soul, goes out of this body, so intelligent, so strong, and so many things, that is nothing. That is the difference between dead man and the living man. A living man is very powerful, very good position, everything. As soon as he lies down, he is lying down on the floor, and if you kick him on his face, he'll not protest. So where is that strength? The strength is gone. That is spiritual strength. On the spiritual strength, the body moves. Suppose you have got a very good car, Mercedes car or Rolls Royce car. But when there is no petrol, how the car will move? It is not possible. There is spirit, petrol spirit. Similarly, real strength is spiritual strength. That spiritual strength is Balarama. Bala means strength. Therefore we have to take shelter of the lotus feet of Balarama, guru-tattva.

Balarama means guru-tattva. Balarama represents guru. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah **. If we want to understand Caitanya Mahaprabhu, if we want to understand Krishna, then we must take shelter of Balarama. Nayam atma bala-hinena labhyah. This bala- hinena labhyah, this Vedic injunction, means "Without the mercy of Balarama you cannot understand, you cannot realize your spiritual identification. So that Balarama comes as Nityananda Prabhu. Balarama haila nitai. Therefore we must take shelter of Balarama. That is... This song has been sung by Narottama dasa Thakura. Nitai-.-kamala, koti-candra-susitala. If we take shelter of Nityananda Prabhu, then we get peace. Koti-candra-susitala. Just like in daytime, especially in the summer season, we become very much exasperated. But at night, in the evening, as soon as there is moonshine, we become very much satisfied. All day's labor and fatigue is immediately moved. So nitai-.-kamala, the shade of Nityananda Prabhu's lotus feet, is koti-candra-susitala, as pleasing as one crore of moonshine. One moonshine gives us so much pleasure. So if we want actually peace of mind, if we actually want to be free from this material fatiguement, then we must take the shelter of Nityananda Prabhu. Nityananda Prabhu is the strength, spiritual strength. And without spiritual strength you cannot approach Krishna. Nayam atma pravaca... Simply by talking nonsense... Nayam atma pravacanena labhyah. If you are a good speaker, that does not mean you'll understand, yourself. Na medhaya: "Neither by good brain." Because you have got very good brain you'll understand Krishna-no. Nayam atma pravacanena labhyo na medhaya na bahuna srutena. If you think that you are a very good scholar, university degree-holder, then you'll understand-no. This is not possible.

So we must have spiritual strength. That source of spiritual strength is Balarama, Krishna's next manifestation, prakasa- vigraha. Krishna is manifesting Himself through Balarama. So we have to take shelter of Nityananda Prabhu.

nitai-.-kamala, koti-candra-susitala,

je chayay jagata juray

The whole world is suffering, but if you want peace, then you take the shelter of Nityananda Prabhu.

heno nitai bine bhai, radha-Krishna paite nai

dhrdha kori' dharo nitair pay

Our real aim of life--how to go back home back to Godhead and associate with Radha Krishna. In another song the same author says,

manusya-janama paiya, radha-krsna na bhajiya,

janiya suniya bisa khainu

Unless you come to Radha-Krishna, you cannot get real pleasure. If you want to dance and get pleasure, don't dance independently. Dance with Krishna. Then you'll be happy. The dancing is there, but dancing without association of Krishna... Just like here, in our temple, we are also eating, but we are eating the remnants of foodstuff left by Krishna. That is real pleasure. It is not that we are stopping eating. We are not stopping eating. We are not dry philosophers. Krishna baro doyamoy, koribare jihwa jay, swa-prasad-anna dilo bhai. All over the world we are eating Krishna prasadam, and we have got good experience. At least ten thousand men and women, they are taking Krishna prasadam, but we have no anxiety. We have no anxiety. A family consists of a few members. They are full of anxiety how to maintain the family. And we are maintaining a family of ten thousand men. We have no anxiety. Just see practically. We have no anxiety. We require thousands and thousands of rupees for maintaining Europe, America, a costly affair. But because we are under the shelter of Nityananda Prabhu, Balarama, we have no anxiety. That means material life means anxiety. You cannot avoid anxiety if you lead a material life. Then you will be anxious.

That is Prahlada Maharaja's instruction. He was asked by his father, "My dear son, what you have learned, the best thing from your teachers?" So he replied, "My dear father..." He never said, "My dear father"; He said, "My dear best of the asuras." Asura- varya. Tat sadhu manye 'sura-varya dehinam. Tat sadhu manye 'sura-varya dehinam sada samudvigna-dhiyam asad-grahat. The whole human society is suffering, at least suffering from one disease-- anxiety. Ask anybody. Take one small ant and take the big elephant; take the President of United States or take one street beggar. Ask him, "Whether you are free from anxiety?" Nobody will say, "No.I am full of anxiety." That's a fact. So why they are anxiety, in, full of anxiety? That Prahlada Maharaja had replied, sada samudvigna-dhiyam asad-grahat. Because we have taken asad- vastu, that will not exist... Everything, whatever you have got... Our, this body will not exist. And this is the main platform of our existence. In the material world, so long the body is there, you exist. So Prahlada Maharaja said that "Real solution of problems of life is to get out of this material condition. That is best thing in my opinion." Sada samadvigna-dhiyam asad... That is Vedic injunction also. Asato ma sad gamaya: "Don't live in this asat, in this material condition." Sad gamaya: "Go to real existence." That real existence means spiritual life. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [bg. 2.20]. So if we actually want life, blissful life, then we must get out of this material existence. That is Prahlada Maharaja's instruction. Samudvigna-dhiyam. And if you remain in the material existence, you must suffer some anxiety. There is no excuse.

So Prahlada Maharaja advises that hitvatma-ghatam grham andha-kupam vanam gato yad dharim asrayeta [sB 7.5.5]. If you...Real problem is anxiety. And this anxiety will continue so long you are material existent. Therefore the real life is to get out of this material... Hitvatma-ghatam. Atma-ghatam. Atma-ghatam means killing the soul. This material civilization is killing the soul. That... They have no information of the soul. They do not know how to become peaceful, how to become blissful. They are trying to be peaceful, bahir-artha-maninah, by external material energy. They are thinking by constructing big, big buildings, just like in Bhubaneswar they are doing, and having good, very big, big roads and motorcars, that is advancement of civilization. No. That is not advancement of civili... That is increasing their anxiety. There is no solution of the anxiety. There is... Formerly that... I was speaking. There was no university. The university was in the cottage--Vyasadeva. Vyasadeva was writing Srimad-Bhagavatam and all the Puranas in a cottage. The university was there. Who can produce such literature as Vyasadeva has given? From any angle of vision, from literary point of view, from philosophical point of view-everything, so perfect, every literature, Mahabharata, Puranas, and Vedanta. Veda-vyasa, he has given. So there was no need of university. It required clear brain. That was to be done by the brahminical qualifications, samo damo titiksa arjava, jïanam-vijïanam astikyam brahma-karma svabhava... Where is that education? This education, technical education, how you can very nicely hammer, this will not solve the problem. So if we want real solution of the problems, then our duty is first of all to take the shelter of nitai-.-kamala. Then we'll be happy, and we'll get moonshine, and our all fatigueness will be subsided.

Sambandha nahi jar, brtha janma gelo tar. So if you have no connection with Nityananda Prabhu... Nityananda means always. Nitya means always, ananda means pleasure. This is another meaning you can draw. So therefore, if you have no connection with Nityananda Prabhu... Se tar: "He's simply wasting time." Brtha means useless. Uselessly, he's wasting time. Se pasu boro duracar. And Narottama dasa Thakura has used very strong word. "Anyone who has no connection with Nityananda Prabhu, he's a pasu." Sei pasu. He's a pasu, means animal. So animal, how one animal can get happiness? That is not possible. The dog, from the childhood he's searching after food, searching after food. And cannot get food. Unless a dog has got a master, he's street dog and he's always unhappy. So better to become a dog of Nityananda Prabhu. Then we shall be happy. Instead of becoming dog of so many other people... Everyone is dog. Everyone is searching after to serve a master. But none of them are satisfied because that is false master. You take real master, Nityananda Prabhu. You'll be happy. Se pasu boro duracar. He does not know where is happiness. Where I shall become a dog? That...

Our Bhaktivinoda Thakura, he has sung therefore,

vaisnava thakur, tomara kukkur,

boliya janaha more

"My dear Vaisnava Thakura, kindly accept me as your dog, as your dog. I am dog already, but I am maya's dog. I'm not Vaisnava's dog. So kindly accept me." If you become a Vaisnava's dog... Chadiya vaisnava seva, nistar paiche keba. If you do not become a dog of Vaisnava and Nityananda Prabhu... Nityananda is guru. So if you do not become a dog of Nityananda Prabhu, Vaisnava, or guru, there is no question of happiness. Se sambandha nahi yar, brtha janma gelo... se pasu boro duracar. Nitai na bolilo mukhe, majila samsara-sukhe. He who has no connection with Nityananda Prabhu, and he does not say, "Jaya Nitai! Jaya Gaura!" And majilo samsara-sukhe, he thinks that this society, family, and... "Society, friendship and love, divinely bestowed upon man." These materialist persons, they say like that. That is called majilo samsara sukhe. In samsara there cannot be any sukha, but he's attracted by that. Majilo samsara sukhe. Vidya-kule ki koribe tar. What we'll do with university education or born in big family or... This will not help. This is not possible. Vidya-kule ki karibe tar. Why they're accepting this false? Ahankare matta hoiya, nitai-. pasariya, asatyere satya kori mani. On account of being misled by false prestige and false egotism, asatyere satya kori mani, we are accepting this body which is asat, which will not exist. That we have taken as reality. Ahankare matta hoiya, nitai . pasariya. But if we take shelter of Nityananda Prabhu, then you get the enlightenment. Asatyere satya kori mani. Nitaiyer koruna habe, braje radha-Krishna pabe, dharo nitai-carana du'khani.

Therefore Narottama dasa Thakura advises that... Today is Nityananda Prabhu's avirbhava appearance day. Let us at least remember today nitai-.-kamala. That is wanted. Nitai carana satya, tahara sevaka nitya. The reality is nitai-carana, and anyone who is servant of Nitai...So nitaiyer carana satya, tahara sevaka nitya. One who has become the dog of Nityananda Prabhu, he gets his eternal life. We are eternal, but under misconception of material identification, we are under the subjugation of maya. Bhutva bhutva praliyate. Tatha dehantara... It is very botheration, but they do not know. I am going from one body to another transmigration. And that is not guaranteed, what body. They have no science, no knowledge about understanding tatha dehantara, the very first instruction of Bhagavad-gita. They are so rascals, and they are proud of their education, their universities. This is going on.

Nitai carana satya, tahara sevaka..., nitai-. sada koro asa. Therefore we should always expect to be under the shelter of nitai-.-kamala. Narottama boro duhkhi. Narottama dasa Thakura, he's acarya. He is presenting himself... That is acarya. Means he is not duhkhi, but he's presenting himself as duhkhi. That is acarya. Acaryas, they are never duhkhi. But taking the common man's position, he says, narottama boro duhkhi. Or, in other words, Narottama... Narottama means the best of the human being. So here in this material world one may be the best of the human being, very exalted position, but everyone is duhki, unhappy. Narottama boro duhki, nitai more koro sukhi: "Only Nityananda can make me happy. Otherwise not possible." Rakho ranga-caranera pasa. So today is Nityananda Prabhu's appearance day. We shall always pray Nityananda Prabhu, "Kindly keep me under your shelter so that... I am very duhki; I am very unhappy. Under the shelter of Your lotus feet I shall be happy." And that is real happiness. Thank you very much.

Devotees: Jaya Srila Prabhupada! (end) (this lecture followed by Bengali speech of Nityananda Kanurgo, former chief minister of Gujarat) </font color>

Haribol! Prabhus,

Would I be right in thinking that janmastami can be celebrated 'sort of' everyday because Lord Krishna is incarnating all over the creation all the time.

This sort of makes me feel good, cause on janmastami the feeling of closeness towards Krishna is exhibited by all peoples around the world.

So this would be a good practice to think that we are celebrating janmastami everyday..what do you think?

hare krishna

Maya.. is trying to satisfy your senses for sense gratification, being a 'enjoyer', thinking we are all-in-all, we know what we're doing! using material natures recsources for our own means, satisfying the bile body.

For the Rudraksaha to work properly a ceremony has to be observed?..is this right?

Also do Vaishnava's normally wear these?

I know they sometimes chant on japa made of the same beads.

Hare Krishna

SB 8.10.38 Purport (excerpt)

Apparently, therefore, as stated elsewhere in Srimad-Bhagavatam, the sun, not the moon, is the planet nearest the earth. We have already discussed this point in many places. The sun is first, then the moon, then Mars, Jupiter and so on. The sun is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles above the surface of the earth, and from the Srimad-Bhagavatam we understand that the moon is 1,600,000 miles above the sun. Therefore the distance between the earth and the moon would be about 95,000,000 miles. So if a space capsule were traveling at the speed of 18,000 miles per hour, how could it reach the moon in four days? At that speed, going to the moon would take at least seven months. That a space capsule on a moon excursion has reached the moon in four days is therefore impossible.

however painstaking, achieves the Lord's mercy:

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In executing penance, one must be determined to return home, back to Godhead, and must decide to undergo all types of tribulations for that end. Even for material prosperity, name and fame, one has to undergo severe types of penance, otherwise no one can become an important figure in this material world. Why, then, are there severe types of penance for the perfection of devotional service? An easygoing life and attainment of perfection in transcendental realization cannot go together. The Lord is more clever than any living entity; therefore He wants to see how painstaking the devotee is in devotional service. The order is received from the Lord, either directly or through the bona fide spiritual master, and to execute that order, however painstaking, is the severe type of penance. One who follows the principle rigidly is sure to achieve success in attaining the Lord's mercy.

Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.9.24

A devotee of the Lord cannot give up the service of the Lord, for he is ordered by his spiritual master. Pure devotees like Narada and Nityananda Prabhu take up the order of the spiritual master as the sustenance of life. They do not mind what becomes of the future of their lives. They take the matter very seriously as the order comes from the higher authority, from the representative of the Lord, or from the Lord Himself.

Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.8.6

Bhagavad-gita 7.1, San Francisco, March 17, 1968 (excerpt)

Woman: <font color="red"> Srila Prabhupada, what does it mean practically to surrender unto Krishna? </font color>

Prabhupada: Yes. Surrender to Krishna means you have to accept things which is favorable for Krishna consciousness. Just like we restrict our students, no illicit sex, no gambling, no meat-eating, no intoxication. If you surrender to this process, that is surrender to Krishna. Is it clear? If you don't surrender, there is no surrender. Then you are not surrendered soul. Chant sixteen rounds, and if you follow, that is surrendering to Krishna. Don't take anything except Krishna-prasadam. That is surrendering to Krishna. So many we have got. So if you surrender to these principles, that means you surrender to Krishna. Just like a good citizen surrenders to the state. What does it mean? He abides by the law. That's all. He does not do anything which is against the will of the state. That's all. So you surrender to the principles; then you surrender to Krishna. That's all. All right. Thank you very much. (end)

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.15.47-48, Los Angeles, December 25, 1973 (excerpt)

So this politician inquired from Guru Maharaja, "You are publishing a daily paper about God consciousness?Yes.No, what you are writing?" He was surprised. The politicians think that newspaper can be filled up with rubbish political news only. That's all. They cannot think that newspaper can be filled up by news from spiritual world. Yes. They have no idea. They have no idea there is spiritual world. So my Guru Maharaja explained that "Why you are thinking of only one small newspaper? You do not know what is spiritual world. This material world is one-fourth portion of the whole creation of the Lord. And the three-fourths' portion is the spiritual world. And in this one fourth portion there are innumerable universes. And in one of the universes... This is one of the universe. And in each universe there are millions of planets. And this planet, earthly planets, is only a small planet in that universe. And on this earthly planet, there are so many cities. And in each city, there are so many newspapers. And each newspaper has got so many editions. This is the position of the material world. Now, think over the spiritual world. It is... The spiritual world is three fourths, three times bigger than this material... And there are so many planets, so many universes, and so many activities. So we can produce not one newspaper daily, but every minute a newspaper. We can produce. Unfortunately, there is no customer. You see? This is the difficulty. For material news, there are so many customers, but when we put something, spiritual news, no customer. This is the difficulty. Otherwise... You are thinking of one newspaper daily. We could issue every second a newspaper about spiritual news." So this sixty books is not sufficient. It is simply an introduction to the spiritual activities of the spiritual world. People have no interest. They do not know. We are simply trying to introduce it.

<font color="red"> By His Divine Grace Bhaktivendanta Srila Prabhupada</font color>

Bhagavad-gita 2.1 Ahmedabad, December 6, 1972 (excerpts)

Spiritual life begins, first of all, sraddha, some faith.

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So we have to learn that thing, that how we have to see the beauty of spiritual life.

Bg. 4.42 Purport (excerpt)

When we come to spiritual activities, we find that these are also divided into two: namely, understanding of one's own self (or one's constitutional position), and the truth regarding the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.1 Mayapur, February 8, 1976 (excerpt)

So vasudeve bhagavati... To full... Surrender to Krishna means to become spiritually active.

Letter to: Swami Bhaktivedanta: Hawaii 14 March, 1969 (excerpt)

Material nature is simply temporary manifestation within the jurisdiction of spiritual nature.

Bhagavad-gita 7.1-3, London, August 4, 1971 (excerpt)

Then why do you don't (understand) another spiritual body? What is the difficulty. You accept another body after death. Dehantaram. So instead of accepting a material body, you accept a spiritual body. That's all. What is the difficulty to understand?

Evening Darsana, August 9, 1976, Tehran (excerpt)

Similarly, from this physical platform, if you begin these spiritual activities, then stage will come when you'll act only spiritually, there will be no more material activity. That is the stage of bhakti, that is real platform of bhakti, when one is acting only spiritually, there is no material activity.

Bhagavad-gita 6.1, Los Angeles, February 13, 1969 (excerpt)

So if this world is become full in Krishna consciousness, nobody is working for sense gratification, only for satisfaction of Krishna, this world becomes spiritual world immediately. This requires little time to understand. Anything used for Krishna, simply for Krishna's satisfaction, it is spiritual. Just like we are using this microphone for talking about Krishna, then it is spiritual. Otherwise what is the difference between this prasada and ordinary food? We are distributing prasada, people will say, "What is prasada? The same fruit we eat, and you have simply cut into pieces it has become prasada?" They can say that. How it is prasada? But it is prasada. You go on eating this prasada, you become spiritualized. Actually it is prasada. Just like the same example, if I take that iron, hot iron, if I say "It is fire." Somebody may say, "Oh, why it is fire? It is iron." I say, "Touch it." You see? These are crude examples, but that is the...

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<font color="green">just a few Quotes complied from the Folio Infobase. </font color>

<font color="red"> It is an offense to consider the holy name to be an ordinary pious activity:

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One who says that ten million asvamedha sacrifices are equal to the chanting of the holy name of Lord Krishna is undoubtedly an atheist. He is sure to be punished by Yamaraja.

In the list of the ten kinds of offenses in chanting the holy name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Hare Krishna, the eighth offense is dharma-vrata-tyaga-hutadi-sarva-subha-kriya-samyam api pramadah. One should never consider the chanting of the holy name of Godhead equal to pious activities like giving charity to brahmanas or saintly persons, opening charitable educational institutions, distributing free foodstuffs and so on. The results of pious activities do not equal the results of chanting the holy name of Krishna.

The Vedic scriptures say:

go-koti-danam grahane khagasya

prayaga-gangodaka-kalpa-vasah

yajnayutam meru-survarna-danam

govinda-kirter na samam satamsaih

"Even if one distributes ten million cows in charity during an eclipse of the sun, lives at the confluence of the Ganges and Yamuna for millions of years, or gives a mountain of gold in sacrifice to the brahmanas, he does not earn one hundredth part of the merit derived from chanting Hare Krishna."

In other words, one who accepts the chanting of Hare Krishna to be some kind of pious activity is completely misled. Of course, it is pious; but the real fact is that Krishna and His name, being transcendental, are far above all mundane pious activity. Pious activity is on the material platform, but chanting of the holy name of Krishna is completely on the spiritual plane. Therefore, although pasandis do not understand this, pious activity can never compare to the chanting of the holy name.

Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Adi-lila 3.79

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5. Haribol!

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Fourth Principle of Surrender:`Avasya Raksibe Krishna'--Visvasa, Palana

Faith in Krishna as Protector

Four Songs -

(song 1 of 4)

Song 1

(1)

ekhona bujhinu prabhu! tomara carana

asokabhoyamrta-purna sarva-khana

1) Now I have understood, O Lord, that Your feet are eternally full of sweet nectar that dispels all sorrow and fear.*

(2)

sakala chadiya tuwa carana-kamale

podiyachi ami natha! tava .-tale

2) Surrendering myself and all I possess unto those lotus feet, I have laid myself down submissively under their shelter.

(3)

tava .-padma nath! rokhibe amare

ar rakha-karta nahi e bhava-samsare

3) Your lotus feet, O Lord, will certainly shelter me. There are no other protectors in this world of birth and death.

(4)

ami tava nitya-dasa--janinu e-bara

amara palana-bhara ekhona tomara

4) At last I know myself to be Your eternal servant. Now the burden of my maintenance is exclusively Yours.

(5)

bado duhkha paiyachi swatantra jivane

duhkha dure gelo o .-varane

5) In my life of independence from You, I have experienced nothing but misery. But now, upon accepting those feet of Yours, all my miseries have been cast far away.

(6)

je-. lagiya rama tapasya korila

je-. paiya siva sivatwa lobhila

6) Desiring a place at Your lotus feet the goddess of fortune performed difficult austerities. Only after receiving Your feet did Lord Siva attain his sivatva, or quality of auspiciousness.

(7)

je-. labhiya brahma krtartha hoila

je-. narada muni hrdoye dhorila

7) Upon obtaining Your feet Lord Brahma had his desires fulfilled. Your feet are always held by the great sage Narada Muni within his heart.

(8)

sei se abhoya . sirete dhoriya

parama-anande naci .-guna gaiya

8) I now hold on my head those very same lotus feet, which drive away all fear, while I dance in great ecstasy, singing their glories.

(9)

samsara-vipada ho'te avasya uddhar

bhakativinoda, o-. koribe tomar

9) Your lotus feet will surely deliver Bhaktivinoda from the dangerous perils of this worldly journey.

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haribol!

I'll meet you all in Goloka Vrindavana, hows that?

Thats a big old island!

are you the same Guest on the Kalki thread? /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Anyways whatever Krishna does is always on the

trancendental plane, it can't be faulted.

If ur the same guest then do me a favour and

chant this mantra, do it and you'll get

eternal happiness /images/graemlins/wink.gif....

please tell your mind to stop thinking so much

chant this...PLEASE.........

duh.

Get it..a...joke...?

oh forget it /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Heres another one: dear 'i don't get govindarams jokes'

why did um the donkey cross the road?

cause. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Any thoughts?

If there becomes enough Vaishnava's in this world, you do vote right?..we could elect a Vaishvava!

It would be like dwapara-yuga or something!

What did His Divine Grace say about this, Vaishnava's getting into politics to change things around?

Or at least getting the foot in the door, and trying to impliment little changes.

In my last note, I indirectly called Bush a Sudra /images/graemlins/grin.gif

But heres hoping he becomes a devotee.

Maybe Bush could be a devotee of Krishna, but NEVER Lord Kalki,

Ps.Your question was amazingly in bad taste, just because somebody is in a high position in esp.Kali-yuga doesn't mean they are not still Sudras.