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Please stop doing that its annoying /images/graemlins/grin.gif

(bit like Lust-annoying, wish it would just go away)

Hare Krishna

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Hare Krishna

Could a kind Bhakta please explain,

why it is not possible to satisfy lust?

Ps. Any appropriate verses at hand, would help /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Haribol

<font color="red"> Srimad Bhagavatam Canto One, Chapter 15 </font color>

TEXT 27

desa-kalartha-yuktani

hrt-tapopasamani ca

haranti smaratas cittam

govindabhihitani me

SYNONYMS

desa-space; kala-time; artha-importance; yuktani-impregnated with; hrt-the heart; tapa-burning; upasaman-extinguishing; ca-and; haranti-are attracting; smaratah-by remembering; cittam-mind; govinda-the Supreme Personality of pleasure; abhihitani narrated by; me-unto me.

TRANSLATION

Now I am attracted to those instructions imparted to me by the Personality of Godhead [Govinda] because they are impregnated with instructions for relieving the burning heart in all circumstances of time and space.

PURPORT

Herein Arjuna refers to the instruction of the Bhagavad-gita, which was imparted to him by the Lord on the Battlefield of Kuruksetra. The Lord left behind Him the instructions of the Bhagavad-gita not for the benefit of Arjuna alone, but also for all time and in all lands. The Bhagavad-gita, being spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the essence of all Vedic wisdom. It is nicely presented by the Lord Himself for all who have very little time to go through the vast Vedic literatures like the Upanisads, Puranas and Vedanta-sutras. It is put within the study of the great historical epic Mahabharata, which was especially prepared for the less intelligent class, namely the women, the laborers and those who are worthless descendants of the brahmanas, ksatriyas and higher sections of the vaisyas. The problem which arose in the heart of Arjuna on the Battlefield of Kuruksetra was solved by the teachings of the Bhagavad-gita. Again, after the departure of the Lord from the vision of earthly people, when Arjuna was face to face with being vanquished in his acquired power and prominence, he wanted again to remember the great teachings of the Bhagavad-gita just to teach all concerned that the Bhagavad-gita can be consulted in all critical times, not only for solace from all kinds of mental agonies, but also for the way out of great entanglements which may embarrass one in some critical hour.

The merciful Lord left behind Him the great teachings of the Bhagavad-gita so that one can take the instructions of the Lord even when He is not visible to material eyesight. Material senses cannot have any estimation of the Supreme Lord, but by His inconceivable power the Lord can incarnate Himself to the sense perception of the conditioned souls in a suitable manner through the agency of matter, which is also another form of the Lord's manifested energy. Thus the Bhagavad-gita, or any authentic scriptural sound representation of the Lord, is also the incarnation of the Lord. There is no difference between the sound representation of the Lord and the Lord Himself. One can derive the same benefit from the Bhagavad-gita as Arjuna did in the personal presence of the Lord.

The faithful human being who is desirous of being liberated from the clutches of material existence can very easily take advantage of the Bhagavad-gita, and with this in view, the Lord instructed Arjuna as if Arjuna were in need of it. In the Bhagavad-gita, five important factors of knowledge have been delineated pertaining to (1) the Supreme Lord, (2) the living being, (3) nature, (4) time and space and (5) the process of activity. Out of these, the Supreme Lord and the living being are qualitatively one. The difference between the two has been analyzed as the difference between the whole and the part and parcel. Nature is inert matter displaying the interaction of three different modes, and eternal time and unlimited space are considered to be beyond the existence of the material nature. Activities of the living being are different varieties of aptitudes which can entrap or liberate the living being within and without material nature. All these subject matters are concisely discussed in the Bhagavad-gita, and later the subject matters are elaborated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam for further enlightenment. Out of the five subjects, the Supreme Lord, the living entity, nature, and time and space are eternal, but the living entity, nature and time are under the direction of the Supreme Lord, who is absolute and completely independent of any other control. The Supreme Lord is the supreme controller. The material activity of the living being is beginningless, but it can be rectified by transferral into the spiritual quality. Thus it can cease its material qualitative reactions. Both the Lord and the living entity are cognizant, and both have the sense of identification, of being conscious as a living force. But the living being under the condition of material nature, called mahat-tattva, misidentifies himself as being different from the Lord. The whole scheme of Vedic wisdom is targeted to the aim of eradicating such a misconception and thus liberating the living being from the illusion of material identification. When such an illusion is eradicated by knowledge and renunciation, the living beings are responsible actors and enjoyers also. The sense of enjoyment in the Lord is real, but such a sense in the living being is a sort of wishful desire only. This difference in consciousness is the distinction of the two identities, namely the Lord and the living being. Otherwise there is no difference between the Lord and the living being. The living being is therefore eternally one and different simultaneously. The whole instruction of the Bhagavad-gita stands on this principle.

In the Bhagavad-gita the Lord and the living beings are both described as sanatana, or eternal, and the Lord's abode, far beyond the material sky, is also described as sanatana. The living being is invited to live in the sanatana existence of the Lord, and the process which can help a living being to approach the Lord's abode, where the liberated activity of the soul is exhibited, is called sanatana-dharma. One cannot, however, reach the eternal abode of the Lord without being free from the misconception of material identification, and the Bhagavad-gita gives us the clue how to achieve this stage of perfection. The process of being liberated from the misconception of material identification is called, in different stages, fruitive activity, empiric philosophy and devotional service, up to transcendental realization. Such transcendental realization is made possible by dovetailing all the above items in relation with the Lord. Prescribed duties of the human being, as directed in the Vedas, can gradually purify the sinful mind of the conditioned soul and raise him to the stage of knowledge. The purified stage of acquiring knowledge becomes the basis of devotional service to the Lord. As long as one is engaged in researching the solution of the problems of life, his knowledge is called jnana, or purified knowledge, but on realizing the actual solution of life, one becomes situated in the devotional service of the Lord. The Bhagavad-gita begins with the problems of life by discriminating the soul from the elements of matter and proves by all reason and argument that the soul is indestructible in all circumstances and that the outer covering of matter, the body and the mind, change for another term of material existence which is full of miseries. The Bhagavad-gita is therefore meant for terminating all different types of miseries, and Arjuna took shelter of this great knowledge, which had been imparted to him during the Kuruksetra battle.

"At times I get depressed and think that everything I've worked for is for <font color="red"> nothing </font color> now after beginning to practice."

Lord Krishna says:

Bhagavad-Gita 2.40:

In this endeavor there is <font color="red"> no loss </font color> or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.

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Hare Krishna

When Srila Prabhupada began teaching the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra, he stated that his disciples chant sixty-four rounds daily. When they complained that they could not chant sixty-four rounds, he lowered it to thirty-two. When they complained that they could not complete even thirty-two rounds daily and complete their service also, he lowered it to sixteen.

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Is the above true, i asked a devotee a disiple of His Divine Grace and he said, it was NOT true, so why do ppls keep saying the above??

Hare Krishna

There is something that has been bothering me, Swami Gaurangapada gives rules out i.e 16 rounds 4 regs, which are basic rules set out by His Divine Grace, so this should be commended to Swami Gaurangapada, Iskcon is not an institution it is Krishna's, and if Swami Gaurangapada can make ppls chant then, that can't be a bad thing can it, Swami Gaurangapada is in my eyes trying to make ppls KC, he should be praised, there is no need, for anybody to do un-neccessary sadhu-ninda, krishna gives you Guru, so devotees of swami gaurangapada should not be disturbed (visa-virsa), otherwise like on this thread, un-neccessary offences can spoil things (not a good thing), Ghari Prabhu before said something similar (cool dudevotee), these are my humble thoughts, ps. i have read the entire thread too. so there.

hare krishna!

Hare Krishna

I am a neophye devotee so i can say this,

You'd think chanting 64 rounds a day would have given you some intelligence guest!

LOL

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All elevated devotees are saying is THIS IS NOT WHAT PRABHUPADA TAUGHT TO HIS DISICPLES..

neophyte out.

Ps.One more thing..(i really should control my tongue)

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above guest

---Vaishnava-aparadha, I feel sorry for those who commit this. They are destined to be "crushed" by that mad elephant who entered the beautiful garden of flowers without invitation.

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100% typical scares tactics, i don't think ppls here, are offending anybody, it just shows how immature you are, that you are offended, anyways i know nothing, harekrishna.

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From another forum:

Well, in the Caitanya Bhagavata Mahaprabhu specifically instructs us to chant the Hare Krishna Maha-mantra in japa. Caitanya Bhagavata (2.23.75-78):

Apane sabAre prabhu kore upadeze |

kRSNa-nAma mahA-mantra zunoho hariSe || 75 ||

hare kRSNa hare kRSNa kRSNa kRSNa hare hare |

hare rAma hare rAma rAma rAma hare hare|| 76 ||

prabhu kohe kohilam ei mahA-mantra |

iha japa giyA sabe koriyA nirbandha|| 77 ||

iha hoite sarva-siddhi hoibe sabAra |

sarva kSaNa bolo ithe vidhi nAhi Ara || 78 ||

"The Lord ordered everyone in great joy: 'Listen to the Krishna-nama maha-mantra: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.'The Lord said: 'I spoke this maha-mantra. Perform japa of this mantra a prescribed number of times. All perfection will be attained through this. Chant this mantra every moment - there is no other rule."

Of course there is no particular restriction prohibiting one from chanting other mantras as well, but certainly no other mantra should be given a more prominent position than the mantra Mahaprabhu taught us to chant.

Hare Krishna,

I don't understand, what you just said prabhu, but anyways, i need a break from this forum, jeez..my eyes are hurting, seeya in 2 weeks no less, pamho! agtSP!

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I'd like to add, Krishna and His devotees are non-different, in the absolute sence, so this is my thought, about renunciation, how can you be renounced towards a devotee, i guess ppls on this forum can tell, i've had my first 'bad' experience, which is settled now, but i want to avoid future mishaps.

Help!

Hare Krishna

I don't understand if maybe you don't get on with a devotee, (2 rivers), then how can you excecute renunciation mode? how is it even possible, i can't get my little tiny brain around the concept.

I want to say but I think I might offend you if I say, you worry for nothing.

-lover soul character-

I am offended. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif Not really is that krishna i see within your heart? Jai!

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Wonderful post Shiva Prabhu, thankyou, that gets things really into perspective, this is one thing i tend to forget, thx for reminding us.

Let the preach-off begin!

3...2...1....Preach Damn You!

I don't see you preaching' /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Preaccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhh NOW /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Thats better, now go back to Krishna..hahahhaha

Here it is, offending Vaishnava's is the worst thing you can do, ever ever, so why flout the word?..i personally am getting sick, esp on this forum of ppls useing this word, its like its cool to be 'offended', or something?

Of-cource there are times when it is true, but using the pretext of being offended can't be a good thing can it?

I am confuced on this issue, to offend or not to offend that is the question, it may seem i am making a joke out of all this, but thats how its getting to me, i hope i didn't offend anybody (get it?) oh forget it.

Hare Krishna

Ps. No really i hope i didn't, Hare Krishna/

I find it rather sad that a seemingly innocuous query about Srila BV Puri Maharaj (on his Vyas Puja, no less) was perhaps a coy, furtive attempt at trolling for yet another ISKCON/Ritvik/Scions of ISKCON vs. Gaudiya Math mega-debate.

Could somebody get this big question mark off over my head please?

Anyways..

"Even amongst our God-brothers we have misunderstanding but none of us is astray from the service of Krishna. My Guru Maharaja ordered us to execute his mission combinedly. Unfortunately we are now separated. But none of us have stopped preaching Krishna Consciousness. Even if there was misunderstanding amongst the God-brothers of my Guru Maharaja none of them deviated from the transcendental loving service of Krishna. The idea is that provocation and misunderstanding may remain between one man and another. But our staunch faith in Krishna Consciousness may not allow any material disruption. Please therefore try to be sympathetic with any person even if they differ. The only qualification we have to scrutinize is if one is acting in Krishna Consciousness as far as one is able to do it. This personal grudge is not inhuman and as I have told many times, that individualism is the cause of personal misunderstanding. When such individualism is employed in the center of Krishna there is no harm even if there is personal misunderstanding. Personal misunderstanding exists even in the higher levels. There is competition of loving Krishna even in the party of Srimati Radharani." Letter to: Brahmananda : 67-11-18 Calcutta

What a quote! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thankyou Guest Prabhuji, for your kind words about me, i feel humbled, Indas Prabhuji post is amazing, wow, everything he has said, i wish i could have thought up!..

Jai!, i think that post has in my eyes effectively ended, the argument, i wish you all the luck in your quest for Krishna!..Guestji.

but i checked the letter in the Folio, and it had a comma, i am 26 years old, so there you go..

also someone said to me, and i heard YD Prabhu mention this to be a trancendental subject so, we should leave well alone. Haribol!

I have seen many devotees succumb to the enjoying propensity of spiritual bliss. They think they can enjoy because it's spiritual...forgetting they should have equanimity of mind.

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wow, thats a good point, i had to re-read, its both funny, and makes a point, but you said it is a deep subject, maybe you should explain more, about this on another thread?

"The fallen devotee still has 'knowledge' he previously gained."

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Like Living Enity Mata said, the start is chanting Hare-Krishna, but after this the precepts of Bhakti-Yoga are revealed to you, and if you temp 'fall-down', then surely the knowledge is lost, and can be re-gained by appropriate methods, i mean i.e i know lord krishna is lord, but do i really' know it?..i don't of-cource this is what i am saying. Haribol!

Nah, I've just learned how to fake it sometimes.

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Sometimes I can't tell whether I'm being really' humble, or just faking it, do you think being egotistical can play a part in being depressed, I mean being to narcissistic?

Hare Krishna

When a devotee apparantly 'falls-down', then his trancendental knowledge is lost?

I heard a lecture a long time ago, by a devotee, that when a person becomes 'wayward' he looses knowledge, so i was thinking this has to be bad, because with-out, trancendental knowledge how can you practice Bhakti-yoga?

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Hare Krishna

I wish, i could be as humble as you theist prabhu, i am really trying, the words i speak, i try to always conform with guru/sadhu/sastra, sometimes i may say, 'my own personal view is', but i mean the above, see what i am doing?..still trying to worm my way around what i say! Ego is one nasty thing to break, helping others (preaching), is what Srila Prabhupada personified.

Jaya Gurudeva!

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CC Adi 7.71: Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu replied to Prakasananda Sarasvati, "My dear sir, kindly hear the reason. My spiritual master considered Me a fool, and therefore he chastised Me.

CC Adi 7.72: "'You are a fool,' he said. 'You are not qualified to study Vedanta philosophy, and therefore You must always chant the holy name of Krsna. This is the essence of all mantras, or Vedic hymns.

CC Adi 7.73: "Simply by chanting the holy name of Krsna one can obtain freedom from material existence. Indeed, simply by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra one will be able to see the lotus feet of the Lord.

CC Adi 7.74: "'In this Age of Kali there is no religious principle other than the chanting of the holy name, which is the essence of all Vedic hymns. This is the purport of all scriptures.'

CC Adi 7.75: "After describing the potency of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, My spiritual master taught Me another verse, advising Me to always keep it within My throat.

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So from the above you can see quite clearly, that chanting Hare-Krishna is priority, and by doing so you are pleasing Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Srila Prabhupada layed down everything for us very simply, BUT what your Guru Maharaja is teaching is NOT what Uttama Adikari Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada taught. The end.

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